Not every meteoidvania use that mechanic.
Its hard if your baseline is Mario
That’s a bit hard on From Software. King’s Field came out in 1994, same year Super Metroid did. And we all know Demon’s Souls was just a sophisticated third person King’s Field 5.
I'm pretty sure the thing about that boss that showed how bad MS is at game making was the lack of a checkpoint after killing him and then that dumb chase sequence that was a waste of time and padding. That chase was too fucking long and just annoying, didn't really add anything to go the game.For those that have played this game early and also Samus Returns, are the bosses genuinely more difficult than:
DIGGERNAUT
I actually loved fighting that boss in Samus Returns...but many people complained about it being too difficult.
I'm calling that, only the second and the final boss gave me any trouble and I've learned after beating the final boss that there was a way to completely nullify the one attack that actually gave me a lot of trouble
For me the problem I had with that boss is actually knowing what to do to kill him, because after some repeat I never died or received damage untill I came to certain phase which even was very against login when trying things, I think it was WAY too cryptic and couldn't beat him with an alternative way than knowing exactly that very specific thing to do, and even doing similar things didn't work so I discarded the actual solution from the beginning, it was absolutely counter intuitive and was one of those three moments in my life I got tired and just searched on youtube so I could finally end that shit show...For those that have played this game early and also Samus Returns, are the bosses genuinely more difficult than:
DIGGERNAUT
I actually loved fighting that boss in Samus Returns...but many people complained about it being too difficult.
Do you know some that don't? I bet I'd enjoy playing them. I'm at the end of Ender Lilies now, but it does the same thing.
8 hours for my first attempt, didn't 100% though, and you can add a couple hours to the time lost due to deaths, mostly to the 2 bosses I mention in my other comment
Fist forged in furryland on top of my head.
Which game prepared you the most for those two encounters? Cause me talking to myself over a boss scares everyone.
Loved Death's Door. Will be playing Fist soon, so that's good to know. It's mostly 2D metroidvania's that frustrate me with the touch thing.
Fist is as good as it comes, if it had a more resonant name it would be 90 on MC.
Which game? As in where I've gotten the skills to beat them? The game itself I'd say does more than enough to get you ready against any boss or EMMI encounter, it isn't Soulslike at all where you need to go through the same areas again and again trying to avoid any enemy damage as you get checkpoints before a boss or an EMMI encounter, so you can jump right again into the fight, after that pattern recognition and understanding which part of your kit you need to use is going to be the most vital part of the encounter, most bosses have fairly simple patterns, relying a lot on doing a lot of damage just so you can't simply facetank them (to give you an idea half the bosses do more damage than most of the final boss attacks to frankly fairly ridiculous amounts) but I still didn't have much troubleWhich game prepared you the most for those two encounters? Cause me talking to myself over a boss scares everyone.
Took me 22 and I'm a fairly good gamer. Also did not 100% it.
Man, MS never learns. Good thing I kept my expectations in check.
Samus Returns was so badly designed it was often impossible to avoid being hit anyway.Is it much harder than Samus Returns? I died a bunch of times in that one
Considering the bosses are by far the hardest part of the game other than solving environmental puzzles to get to them, it would have been a terrible design decision not to have checkpoints before the encounters. This was actually praised in several reviews because it helps the pacing tremendously.
Yeah, it's not slick enough to be compared to Metroid. It wasn't really an apt comparison but "the souls of" has become almost almost a meme at this point that people would recognise as meaning a difficult instalment in the franchise.
I was mostly ribbing souls fans lol.
For those that have played this game early and also Samus Returns, are the bosses genuinely more difficult than:
DIGGERNAUT
I actually loved fighting that boss in Samus Returns...but many people complained about it being too difficult.
No need to be pedantic. We all know what we are talking about when it comes to MetroidVanias. It's a loving term for games similar to Super Metroid and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. This is a new Metroid game, hence some of us coining the term it is a new MetroidVania game.
Previous games did not need this. Another game-design choice that shows how far they strayed from the path of the originals. 360° aiming, QTEs, counters, check points... How come the old games were so great, and stand the test of time, without any of this ?
Eh, I could possibly live with the boss battles if they are as extravagant as people claim but the Emmi sections having checkpoints makes them completely pointless. You cant really have tension or dread if dying is completely meaningless.
I expected no less. They did that for Samus Returns, too. It'd be weird if it didn't have the check points.
They were making such a big deal about the Emmis I thought they might have changed things up. Of course Nintendo themselves didn't do much better with SA-X implementation back in the day so I guess this is par for the course really.
Maybe it should be optional. In the old days they'd have a save room close to where the boss is gonna be. So I kinda get your point.
You know, originally I had a lot more written, but I'll just leave this: the only way I can see critics praising this game that much is if you tell me they rather see fanboys fight each other on the internet rather than being crucified for telling the world that the new Metroid is just a good 7/10 that won't replace your favourite Metroid instead of a great 9/10
