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[penguininthesun]

Never. I can see myself getting an Xbox at some point though if Playstation runs out of games that interest me. Games like Starfield and Fable on the Microsoft side definitely pique my interest, but I’d rather play on a console than a PC. Even if Sony stops making consoles and publishes their games on other systems, I’d go to XBox before PC. Just seems so much more simple imo.

 

[Brofist]

I get your point, playing on console will always be more straight forward than PC. But I still think you are exagerating with the PC issues, and there's no way a console is a better experience than a PC, which gives you better graphics, performance (unless the game has been coded by interns, but that's not the PC fault), freedom on customization, etc.

I'm not trying to "convert" anyone here btw, just saying that some of you guys love making playing on a PC like some kind of rocket science.

Seems that everyone has such a complex day job that they can't deal with clicking on steam and choosing a game, too much work.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Wanted a PC forever short story short had an Alienware 15 r3 and for whatever reason the motherboard failed despite being a beast of a PC A) consoles are actually more reliable
B) who doesn’t love console accessibility

 

[John Wick]

Absolutely nothing wrong with my computer. How can you even say that ?! Where that idiotic idea could even come from? 3700x, 3200mhz ram, 3080, x570 motherboard. Latest uefi, nvme drives (also latest firmware). There can be nothing wrong with it. The issues are with software, windows and drivers.
Go to pcgamingwiki or steamforums and check saints row 3 remaster. It is absolutely normal. Many other examples.
12 minutes crashed hard 2 times and genreally the performance was super heavy.
FF XV ran kinda like dogshit. Had to disable assets as it's some bullshit named option that destroys original vision. Had to disable vxao because it's some nvidia 20fps ambient occlusion that is essentially broken and does nothing visually. The game slowed down in some cutscenes to 20 because why not.

You are maybe too casual to notice issues or not enough of a power user but don't you tell me something is wrong on my side. With over 2k spent on latest rig, newset drivers, all the EXPERT knowledge? So if I would somehow miss something crucial that makes games and drivers a buggy mess on my pc... that would still somehow be my fault ?! how dare you even suggest that. Your new expensive car running bad? oh you must be a bad driver then.

I don't think it is unreasonable for me, to expect stuff to just work. It's not windows 98 anymore. And as it is, I have to fiddle with almost every damn game if I want to use my hardware fully and so on.

Spot on. This elitist PC mentality needs to stop. A PC always requires some sort of adjusting or updating to get games working at their best.

 

[John Wick]

At least you got options for adjusting settings that affect frame rate.

Console gamers historically are capped at 30 fps for big budget AAA games and only recently moved to 60 fps a lot with new gen systems. Unless a game gives performance/quality options (a whopping 2-3 choices), all the other visual settings adjusted wont even affect frame rate at all.

For most of the PS1/PS2/PS3 eras, most games were 30 fps, especially the big budget games that need raw power.

And you know what I enjoyed everyone of those consoles. Didn't matter if games weren't 60fps or the consoles didn't have the raw power of a modern PC because most of those games never even came out on PC

 

[Mossybrew]

I've done enough PC gaming over the last 30+ years to know I vastly prefer the ease and simplicity of console gaming.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

And you know what I enjoyed everyone of those consoles. Didn't matter if games weren't 60fps or the consoles didn't have the raw power of a modern PC because most of those games never even came out on PC

Sure, but standards go up over time. It always has. Graphics can probably be bucketed into:

- Resolution
- Texture quality
- Special effects
- Frame rate

Every console's and PC's visuals improve over time (above). Having frame rate stay the same at 30 fps like a PS1 or PS2 game is fine for gamers who can live with 30 fps, but the trend is everything goes up and frames is more important now as you got a lot more twitchy competitive games. Back then, MP gaming was playing on the same TV using an birds eye camera. Actually old ass consoles ran games at frame rates higher than the PS1/PS2 era. We are really just getting consoles back to the 8/16 bit cartridge days.

 

[Graciaus]

Wanted a PC forever short story short had an Alienware 15 r3 and for whatever reason the motherboard failed despite being a beast of a PC A) consoles are actually more reliable
B) who doesn’t love console accessibility

Almost every console I've ever owned has either broke or I had to take it apart to fix some flaw.

 

[Sentenza]

Why would a PS4/5 gamer care about pc?

Maybe he's not a tosser, for a change?

 

[rofif]

LIES! DECEPTION!

Seriously though, that game ran horribly enough to put me off from playing it, at least that was the experience on the base ps4.

It wasn't that bad... Not much better on pro
I am pretty sensitive to that stuff and it's just some stutter.

TintoConCasera someone gotta be an expert. And if it ain't me I have no idea who it could be
You gotta have hate love relationship with the pc to be an expert. Only Lovers have subjective opinions !

 

[rofif]

Spot on. This elitist PC mentality needs to stop. A PC always requires some sort of adjusting or updating to get games working at their best.

Thank you.
That is the strength of the pc actually... And a curse for tired annoyed people like me

 

[Hitchyhero]

I used to game on PC alot but since having I kid I need something I can have a blast on quickly. Consoles have their uses

 

[Mr Branding]

Pc gamer in my childhood, Ps fan since 2, recently reconverted to pc. Can’t wait for the Deck

 

[IFireflyl]

How about - as a programmer I spend most of my waking hours in front of a computer already, when I want to kick back I need a change in scenery? Not a valid reason? Just checking as you seem to be the highest authority in the matter.

As a programmer I feel like you should be intelligent enough to know that there is no difference between staring at a monitor running a console and staring at a monitor running a PC. If you don't understand that please PM me the info for the college you graduated from, and I am happy to work with them to refund the cost of your tuition as they obviously failed you.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

As a programmer I feel like you should be intelligent enough to know that there is no difference between staring at a monitor running a console and staring at a monitor running a PC. If you don't understand that please PM me the info for the college you graduated from, and I am happy to work with them to refund the cost of your tuition as they obviously failed you.

I think he means sitting at a desk staring at a monitor a foot or two away from his face, vs. sitting on a couch and playing consoles on a big tv 10 ft away.

 

[nowhat]

I think he means sitting at a desk staring at a monitor a foot or two away from his face, vs. sitting on a couch and playing consoles on a big tv 10 ft away.

This.

 

[IFireflyl]

Is that right? Why is it PC gamers seem to think they know what is best for everyone?
I sometimes hate playing on my PC because it's not comfortable to be sat at a desk all the time. Consoles are far more convenient and easier to use in a living space. The cost of a PC is a joke at the moment.

Why do people get so defensive about this?

PC has better graphics options.
PC can be in a small form factor that is on par with console.
PC does not require you to play at a desk.
PC allows you to use whatever input option works best for you.
PC has more mod support.

And to your last bit about the cost of PCs, I did mention that finances is one of the valid reasons people might stick with a console. You quoted my post, so you should know that.

My PC is hooked up to my 65" TV. I use an Xbox One controller, and I play games from my recliner. If you think you're confined to a desk with a PC then you're doing it wrong. Furthermore, you can even get gaming laptops that allow even more portability.

 

[IFireflyl]

I think he means sitting at a desk staring at a monitor a foot or two away from his face, vs. sitting on a couch and playing consoles on a big tv 10 ft away.

See my above post to someone else.

 

[IFireflyl]

Have been on both PS and PC for quite some time and I don't expect that to change.



Trophies. I have a gaming PC that is superior than my PS5 but a lot of times I just want to play a game on PS because I want to try and get the Platinum. As valid a reason as anything, imo.

I have yet to encounter a game on Steam that does not have trophies while it's console counter-part does have trophies. But if I'm wrong then that is a fair point.

 

[bosnianpie]

Not going anywhere. PS exclusives making the leap to PC 3, 4 or 5 years later doesn't really mean anything to me. I played Uncharted 4 in 2016, why on earth would a PC version speak to me now?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

See my above post to someone else.

What if someone (or a family) doesn't want their PC hooked up to the TV because that's meant for watching TV and their console is already there.

What if they use the PC for surfing the net or doing homework as priorities?

What if someone plays games with KB/M?

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I'm a core Playstation Gamer and I also own a gaming PC. What's the deal??

Games that will not be released on a Playstation system I can buy for PC. But I don't need my PC for Playstation games.

 

[IFireflyl]

What if someone (or a family) doesn't want their PC hooked up to the TV because that's meant for watching TV and their console is already there.

What if they use the PC for surfing the net or doing homework as priorities?

What if someone plays games with KB/M?

1) If their console is already there then this is a moot point, because my point is that a PC can replace a console.

2) I am using my PC to surf the web and type this right now. I'm sitting in my recliner, and I am 10 feet away from my 65" TV.

3) Then they wouldn't be using a console in the first place, which makes this question a moot point.

 

[NewYork214]

I have a gaming pc and rarely use it. Just different strokes for different folks. I prefer console gaming over pc. I use my pc for strategy games and mmos.

 

[RoadHazard]

Probably never. Console gaming is more convenient, it "just works". I'm not afraid of "tinkering", troubleshooting, etc, I work in tech and use computers all day, but when I'm relaxing with some gaming I just don't want to. And we're very, very far from all Sony games releasing day and date on PC.

 

[waquzy]

Never

 

[StreetsofBeige]

1) If their console is already there then this is a moot point, because my point is that a PC can replace a console.

2) I am using my PC to surf the web and type this right now. I'm sitting in my recliner, and I am 10 feet away from my 65" TV.

3) Then they wouldn't be using a console in the first place, which makes this question a moot point.

You're not answering the questions.

A console almost always goes with a TV (maybe some hook it up to a monitor), and people use a TV to watch shows and NF. A PC (which most people use at a desk with a kb/m) has it's own space in the house. To muddy up the TV room with a PC trying to takeover time isn't going to work in many homes. Maybe for you, since it seems you can do what you feel like it works, but not at many homes with families and kids all wanting a piece of using the TV in a traditional way.

Ya, and I can use a PC on an 80" TV 20 ft away from a couch. My #3 point was for PC gamers using KB/M in front of a TV. And how do you use a M/KB on a couch or recliner? With a dopey table or tray on your lap. Or you buy a gaming chair that can hold those and you put that chair right in front of your TV.

Big deal if you surf the net on a PC in front of the TV. What if someone is doing homework for hours? Nobody is going to do that connected to a big screen TV and hassle bring it from a different room to the TV back and forth.

 

[RoadHazard]

1) If their console is already there then this is a moot point, because my point is that a PC can replace a console.

2) I am using my PC to surf the web and type this right now. I'm sitting in my recliner, and I am 10 feet away from my 65" TV.

3) Then they wouldn't be using a console in the first place, which makes this question a moot point.

Can you set your PC up so that at the press of a button on the controller it boots up straight into big picture mode or into the last game you were playing? Maybe that can be done, I haven't really had a gaming PC in years, but there are just certain conveniences of a console that putting a PC in your living room can't quite replicate. Of course that PC can instead do a lot of other things, but I'm just talking about what's the most comfy couch gaming experience.

 

[nowhat]

Console gaming is more convenient, it "just works".

While I wholeheartedly agree with you, you know what else "just works"?

Fallout 76 - and yes, I jest, but just had to

 

[RoadHazard]

While I wholeheartedly agree with you, you know what else "just works"?

Fallout 76 - and yes, I jest, but just had to

I haven't played that game, so I don't know what that means, lol.

 

[Umbasaborne]

my blood runs that PS BLUE mother fucker!

They’ll have to pry muh exclusives out of my cold dead hands!!!!

lol but seriously i might build a pc once it becomes feasible to do so again. Though im content on consoles with a nice oled tv so im not in a rush. Ive had the ps xbox combo since the 360/ps3 days

 

[IFireflyl]

You're not answering the questions.

A console almost always goes with a TV, and people use a TV to watch shows and NF. A PC (which most people use at a desk with a kb/m) has it's own space in the house. To muddy up the TV room with a PC trying to takeover time isn't going to work in many homes. Maybe for you, since it seems you can do what you feel like it works, but not at many homes with families and kids all wanting a piece of using the TV in a traditional way.

Ya, and I can use a PC on an 80" TV 20 ft away from a couch. My #3 point was for PC gamers using KB/M in front of a TV. And how do you use a M/KB on a couch or recliner? With a dopey table or tray on your lap.

Big deal if you surf the net on a PC in front of the TV. What if someone is doing homework for hours? Nobody is going to do that connected to a big screen TV.

I mean, I answered the questions... you're just not reading the answers.

A PC does not always have its own space in the house. It can, and so can a console. If you put a console in a shared space you'll have as much restriction with it as you will putting a PC in a shared space.

This was all in reference to gaming. You're talking about homework and stuff. You're not using the console for homework. I'm saying you can replace the console with a PC to get the extra benefits of the PC (of which there are many) for your games. You're acting like once you replace the console with a PC you then have to use the console for a lot of other stuff. You don't have to. You can if you want to, but that's irrelevant to the point. If you want to give someone a PC for homework that's fine. But don't make that PC the gaming PC that replaced the console. Get them a cheap Chromebook. Why would you replace your console with a gaming PC and then tell everyone in the house to now use that gaming PC for things other than games? You're arguing points that don't make sense if you stop to consider why you were replacing the console with a PC in the first place.

Additionally, the keyboard and mouse can be placed on the PC when not in use. They aren't that big.

 

[Midn1ght]

Since we're on the topic of monitor vs Tv.

Is it possible to plug a monitor AND a Tv on the same PC (In the same room and without Steam Link) and switch easily from one to another without too much troubles even if they are not the same resolution?

Say I have my office with my 1440p monitor to play keyboard and mouse FPS, browsing the net, etc... and then I want to switch to my 4K TV with the controller? How easy and quick can it be?

I guess it's possible, but I never tried and would absolutely love that combo to get the best of both world.

 

[IFireflyl]

Can you set your PC up so that at the press of a button on the controller it boots up straight into big picture mode or into the last game you were playing? Maybe that can be done, I haven't really had a gaming PC in years, but there are just certain conveniences of a console that putting a PC in your living room can't quite replicate. Of course that PC can instead do a lot of other things, but I'm just talking about what's the most comfy couch gaming experience.

PC has had hibernate/sleep mode for far longer than consoles. I have a tiny wireless remote (it looks like a car remote) that I use to turn my PC on. I don't have to go push the button on the physical PC itself at all. The wireless remote sits right beside my Xbox One controller. It takes up so little space so as to be insignificant, especially when weighing that small con against the pros of having a gaming PC.

You do make a great point though!

 

[RoadHazard]

PC has had hibernate/sleep mode for far longer than consoles. I have a tiny wireless remote (it looks like a car remote) that I use to turn my PC on. I don't have to go push the button on the physical PC itself at all. The wireless remote sits right beside my Xbox One controller. It takes up so little space so as to be insignificant, especially when weighing that small con against the pros of having a gaming PC.

You do make a great point though!

I know about hibernate/sleep, but that's not really what I was asking. Can you do it with your controller? Can it bring you straight into gaming mode even if you were previously doing something else with the computer, or do you then have to manually open Steam and then open the game etc?

Yeah, these are not big issues, but with my PS5 I simply press the PS button, wait a few seconds, and I'm right back in the game I was last playing. Another press brings me back to the home screen if I want to switch to another game. And that's kinda just how I want my relaxed couch gaming to work.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I mean, I answered the questions... you're just not reading the answers.

A PC does not always have its own space in the house. It can, and so can a console. If you put a console in a shared space you'll have as much restriction with it as you will putting a PC in a shared space.

This was all in reference to gaming. You're talking about homework and stuff. You're not using the console for homework. I'm saying you can replace the console with a PC to get the extra benefits of the PC (of which there are many) for your games. You're acting like once you replace the console with a PC you then have to use the console for a lot of other stuff. You don't have to. You can if you want to, but that's irrelevant to the point. If you want to give someone a PC for homework that's fine. But don't make that PC the gaming PC that replaced the console. Get them a cheap Chromebook. Why would you replace your console with a gaming PC and then tell everyone in the house to now use that gaming PC for things other than games? You're arguing points that don't make sense if you stop to consider why you were replacing the console with a PC in the first place.

Additionally, the keyboard and mouse can be placed on the PC when not in use. They aren't that big.

Not everyone out there has multiple PCs or laptops.

I agree that a PC has way more flexibility. And assuming someone puts some money into it, it'll have better looking games than console. I think everyone agrees on that.

My point is putting a PC by a TV (whether it subs for console or not doesn't matter), it makes it very impractical if that TV is going to used for other things, when PCs traditionally have their own desk somewhere and a monitor to with it.

 

[IFireflyl]

Since we're on the topic of monitor vs Tv.

Is it possible to plug a monitor AND a Tv on the same PC (In the same room and without Steam Link) and switch easily from one to another without too much troubles even if they are not the same resolution?

Say I have my office with my 1440p monitor to play keyboard and mouse FPS, browsing the net, etc... and then I want to switch to my 4K TV with the controller? How easy and quick can it be?

I guess it's possible, but I never tried and would absolutely love that combo to get the best of both world.

It is! It's no different from having dual monitors. As long as you have two HDMI ports on your GPU (most modern GPUs have this) then you connect one to the TV and the other to the monitor. Then go into your Windows display settings and have the screens duplicate (meaning it's showing the same thing on both monitors), or set it to show only on monitor 1 or 2 and then change that setting whenever you want to use the other screen.

 

[IFireflyl]

Not everyone out there has multiple PCs or laptops.

I agree that a PC has way more flexibility. And assuming someone puts some money into it, it'll have better looking games than console. I think everyone agrees on that.

My point is putting a PC by a TV (whether it subs for console or not doesn't matter), it makes it very impractical if that TV is going to used for other things, when PCs traditionally have their own desk somewhere and a monitor to with it.

It makes it no more impractical than having a console connected to that same TV. You're missing the forest through the trees, my friend. If that TV is going to be used for other things then that is happening regardless of whether a console is hooked up to it or a PC is hooked up to it.

Not everyone has multiple PCs or laptops, I'm aware. But if you have a console and you're needing to do homework then you obviously aren't doing that on the console. So that means you must have another PC or laptop in order to do your homework. So continue to use that for homework, and then replace the console with a gaming PC.

Finances might not allow this. I have already said that this is a valid reason to not move from console to PC gaming.

 

[IFireflyl]

I know about hibernate/sleep, but that's not really what I was asking. Can you do it with your controller? Can it bring you straight into gaming mode even if you were previously doing something else with the computer, or do you then have to manually open Steam and then open the game etc?

Yeah, these are not big issues, but with my PS5 I simply press the PS button, wait a few seconds, and I'm right back in the game I was last playing. Another press brings me back to the home screen if I want to switch to another game. And that's kinda just how I want my relaxed couch gaming to work.

Like I said before, you make a fair point. I don't think having to click four extra buttons to bring the game up is worth having a less spectacular gaming experience, but you don't have to agree with me on that.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

PC gaming is for idiots with money to throw away.

 

[JusticeForAll]

I used to play games on pc, bit it's too much of a hassle for me nowadays with a busy job and a 2yo. I prefer consoles: no problems with system requirements, sitting in a sofa,...

I'm on a PC quite often for work already, so I'm not going to do that in my free time as well.

 

[nowhat]

I haven't played that game, so I don't know what that means, lol.

Getting offtopic, but what the hell - "it just works" was (in)famously uttered by Todd Howard at the reveal of the game (along with gems like "16 times the detail") - I'm not sure if this clip contains that particular quote, but should give you a pretty good idea how the game was at launch:

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It makes it no more impractical than having a console connected to that same TV. You're missing the forest through the trees, my friend. If that TV is going to be used for other things then that is happening regardless of whether a console is hooked up to it or a PC is hooked up to it.

Not everyone has multiple PCs or laptops, I'm aware. But if you have a console and you're needing to do homework then you obviously aren't doing that on the console. So that means you must have another PC or laptop in order to do your homework. So continue to use that for homework, and then replace the console with a gaming PC.

Finances might not allow this. I have already said that this is a valid reason to not move from console to PC gaming.

I dont think you get common usage of tvs, console, and pc. And the practicality of moving around a pc due to usage back and forth.

Unless someone is single and does what they want and doesnt care about using a m/kb on a tray on their lap in front of their tv, most people are not going to be using their big screen tv for PC gaming as a focus. It'll be TV watching and/or console gaming. PCs have their own source of viewing (monitor), consoles dont come with one. And as I said people who either dont want to sit with tray on their lap using m/kb in front of a tv is going to be using a PC at a desk or on a table.

You're skewed thinking of playing PC games taking over a family's main TV is due to your situation. Vast majority of people dont want their PC hooked up to their tv for many reasons.

 

[BlackTron]

I've been using a PC to play games along with a console since kindergarten. To me this is like asking, Nintendo or Sega? If the platforms both have things you want and you have enough money, you buy both.

I'll always prefer a platformer on a console, and demand a FPS/RTS on a PC. Some people act like there is this weird line in the sand between hardware like you MUST CHOOSE. Commit? Meh it's a game system not a sexual identity.

 

[RoadHazard]

Getting offtopic, but what the hell - "it just works" was (in)famously uttered by Todd Howard at the reveal of the game (along with gems like "16 times the detail") - I'm not sure if this clip contains that particular quote, but should give you a pretty good idea how the game was at launch:

Yeah, I know the game was an absolute mess at launch, but I didn't know he had said that.

 

[Midn1ght]

It is! It's no different from having dual monitors. As long as you have two HDMI ports on your GPU (most modern GPUs have this) then you connect one to the TV and the other to the monitor. Then go into your Windows display settings and have the screens duplicate (meaning it's showing the same thing on both monitors), or set it to show only on monitor 1 or 2 and then change that setting whenever you want to use the other screen.

That's what I thought and hopefully what I'm gonna do next year.

Of course not everybody can have both the PC and the TV in the same room and buying a second TV and couch only for gaming is definitely not an ideal option.

The plug and play nature of consoles will always be a winning argument for them in my opinion.

 

[Jigsaah]

I'm not a core PS gamer, but I wanna play too.

 

[Bankai]

Other: trophy support for games would push me to pc gaming again.

It’s sad, but true

 

[BlackTron]

I dont think you get common usage of tvs, console, and pc. And the practicality of moving around a pc due to usage back and forth.

Unless someone is single and does what they want and doesnt care about using a m/kb on a tray on their lap in front of their tv, most people are not going to be using their big screen tv for PC gaming as a focus. It'll be TV watching and/or console gaming. PCs have their own source of viewing (monitor), consoles dont come with one. And as I said people who either dont want to sit with tray on their lap using m/kb in front of a tv is going to be using a PC at a desk or on a table.

You're skewed thinking of playing PC games taking over a family's main TV is due to your situation. Vast majority of people dont want their PC hooked up to their tv for many reasons.

If people aren't putting a gaming PC desk near their TV stand and using clone video output, they're fudging it up.

Add in an Xbox controller and you have a PC, console and HTPC with most of the strengths of all in one unit.

 

[eastcoastkody]

for someone thats not a PC gamer already, and doesn't use a PC for their job, i just think the normal everyday person has moved on from having a computer in their home.

theres no need. So i haven't had a PC in forever. It would take a lot for me to get one again.