assurdum
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No one say it's cheap. I think it's quite normal to be disappointed about the lack of raytraycing in-game. If you are fine about it good for you.
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Forza Horizon 5 Next Gen performance targets revealed. RT only utilized in Forzavista
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TBiddy
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What's your level of experience coding with DX on the XSX as well as GNM on the PS5?
Raekwon26
Member
Oh boy.
KormaChameleon
Member
I wonder what it will run like on the One X. FH4 on OX had a resolution or frame-rate mode that allowed you to play at 60fps.
Negotiator101
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That's what he said pal! Your ignorance to the facts is making you look like a moron. A number of posters have told you that you're wrong, NXGamer Hasn't even seen the DF video from Alex, so you can't quote him now.
You see the problem is you can't admit when you're wrong, I suggest you take a big slice of humble pie, eat it up and then apologise, you'll feel a lot better afterwards
assurdum
Banned
The only valid argumentation about people like you is just about who are wrong who is right but scarcely you said something more deeper worth it to read in every single thread. I'm talking of low API and here we go, we go back to the same argument, because if I could be wrong in something, you think to be legitimate to call me idiot, incompetent or even worse, when practically I passed 3 pages to discuss to the other person about what Nxgamer said just in a single post, taking any kind of insult. Just to be clear even Alex or DF weren't exactly transparent about the raytracing resolution on GT7, what they said it's easily subjected to misinterpreting. Now what make some people so sure that raytracing was solely 1080cbr in such game and nothing more, give me some headache because to me sounds like more around 1080p up to 4k reconstructed output, from they words, but I don't even insist anymore about such discussion because it's practically a dead end. But why we have to come back to that talk when I just exposed a totally different matter?That's what he said pal! Your ignorance to the facts is making you look like a moron. A number of posters have told you that you're wrong, NXGamer Hasn't even seen the DF video from Alex, so you can't quote him now.
You see the problem is you can't admit when you're wrong, I suggest you take a big slice of humble pie, eat it up and then apologise, you'll feel a lot better afterwards
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rodrigolfp
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Almost a disaster if no option for RT at least for reflections on pc during gameplay...
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Bernd Lauert
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You think you have a gotcha here, but you don't. I like good raytracing. I don't like bad raytracing. Looks like I'm quite consistant in my views
FH5 raytracing would likely be bad btw. Low res reflections on cars isn't exactly the pinnacle of raytracing.And yes, Ratchet looks great. It would look even better with RTGI.
That something else for me is native 4k. I find that to be more of a waste than realistic RT. Besides we are talking about a PC game here. Support would have been nice if simply for future hardware even if we say people must have 4k.
But low res cubemaps are great? RT in FH5 would be bad based on what? If it's so bad why would it be in the photo mode? Come on. You're not fooling anyone with your shtick.You think you have a gotcha here, but you don't. I like good raytracing. I don't like bad raytracing. Looks like I'm quite consistant in my views
And yes, Ratchet looks great. It would look even better with RTGI.
Bernd Lauert
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Where have you seen low res cubemaps in FH5? Screenshot pls.
Based on its cost and the fact that it would only be car reflections and nothing else.
Someone posted an image a couple of pages ago. Looks high res, super clean and there are reflections of reflections. It's high quality in photo mode so I'll allow it.
You're imagining things.
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DaGwaphics
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Why? They might completely melt our minds with what they do there. FM8 might not even be cross-gen. I think we are in that period where whatever we think is impressive one minute might quickly get surpassed the next, at least over the next few years. The Forza guys never disappoint, that's for sure.
It's a good thing FH5 is cross-gen than. LOL Couldn't help myself.
I'm somewhat with you on RT. Not really for or against it, just hoping the devs always prioritize the final image. If RT is the best choice, use that, but if faking it provides the best result do that.
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Shmunter
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Yeah, yeah I’ve been corrected on it being a One game still
My only question is....they couldnt find a good balance between environmental detail and RT while driving? Its like they took 2 extremes and just ran with it vs finding a good balance.
mansoor1980
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maybe its native 4k , that is really taxing already
assurdum
Banned
And here my theory about Direct X not that mature yet to achieve such tweaking. That's what he said an epic engineer via Twitter not so much time ago about the difference in raytracing when you use a low API architecture Vs an higher level of abstraction of coding.
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Negotiator101
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What different matter?
Reindeer
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And the point of 30fps racing game with RT is? Who's gonna play that when there's 60fps mode?
There you go. Screenshot for you. You think low res RT reflections would look worse than the cubemaps, you're fooling yourself.
Come off it with the it will cost something else. Sure it will on console but where is the 'we need more power' talk you give ratchet? Where is the 'it will benefit greatly'. Not only that but you try to pass RT of as somehow ending up looking worse and low res. You think this can't be played on hardware more powerful than an xbox either. If the Xbox can play this at 4k30fps no RT why not the option with RT on PC? You've got extra power there so what's the excuse?
The same people who play on the default 4k 30fps mode so I'd imagine actually the majority of people who won't change it
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Reindeer
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This isn't an action adventure third person game, people rarely ever choose 30fps for shooters and racers.
Md Ray
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An even better term than 2K or 2.5K is QHD.
TBiddy
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I'll ask again, since you ignored me earlier. What is your experience with DirectX and GNM?
Sevenfold
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Minimum specs for this game is hardware from 2012, which means they aren't even pushing this as hard as they could If they went truly next gen. Next Horizon after this could look bonkers.
Turn 10 and their magic optimisation process.
People rarely ever change any settings so I'd imagine the majority will be playing this at 30fps.
The majority of people played FH4 at 30fps because that was the only option on a lot of xbox ones. Nobody cares that it's 30fps. The majority don't anyway.
Reindeer
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It's Playground Games, but yeah the engine is from Turn 10. Now imagine them optimising it for current gen only.
Battlefield 2042 looks pretty impressive to me.
Probably with everything running at low and 720p.Minimum specs for this game is hardware from 2012, which means they aren't even pushing this as hard as they could If they went truly next gen. Next Horizon after this could look bonkers.
Md Ray
Member
As long as Xbox One is getting tagged along, this is what the requirements are gonna look like on PC. This is good as more people will get to play it.Minimum specs for this game is hardware from 2012, which means they aren't even pushing this as hard as they could If they went truly next gen. Next Horizon after this could look bonkers.
Reindeer
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The most popular mode with people when playing Ratchet was 60fps so I hard disagree that people don't change settings. People aren't as dumb as you think, social media is filled with people asking for 60fps option in games.
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Duchess
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Well, of course, It's gotta work on the Xbox Series S ...
(grabs coat, runs, trips over cat)
Unless someone at PG showed me what raytracing looked like in FH5 on and off, I couldn't give less of a fuck. I imagine RT reflections at that speed in the environment is a terrible idea and would cause a lot of shimmering and artifacting. Resources better spend on volumetric lighting, particles, foliage, texture detail, etc. 4K30 is a little disappointing coming off FH4 running perfectly at 4k60, but that's all.
Sevenfold
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Derp. Yeah they're probably playing that one in house
Looks like GT7 will be the first look at a dedicated next gen racing game, but it's probably not for me. I'll 'put up' with the graphics in 5 until 6 comes out
PD sticking to a release date?Derp. Yeah they're probably playing that one in house
Looks like GT7 will be the first look at a dedicated next gen racing game, but it's probably not for me. I'll 'put up' with the graphics in 5 until 6 comes out
I remember the GT5 days
Reindeer
Member
GT7 is cross gen.
Sevenfold
Member
I did give them a yearPD sticking to a release date?
I remember the GT5 days
Oh... and... WHY?!?!
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Reindeer
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Money obviously. They recently announced it's cross gen. Forza Motorsport will be the first racer targeting next gen only.
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Sevenfold
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Yeah obviously, still a miss as far as 'next gen' goes lol
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intheinbetween
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This game is still using the last gen ForzaTech engine right? It's amazing how far PG were able to take it for FH5.
Turn10 are working on a next gen ForzaTech engine and FM will be the first to use it, imagine what PG will do when they get a hold of that for FH6.
According to what Phil said when closing the show: "in a game built from the ground up for next-gen"
So, I'm not sure if it's the current engine, a customized one, or it is really a new one
JLB
Banned
lol "disaster"
JLB
Banned
Its the previous gen engine improved for current gen.
Next gen engine debut is Forza Motorsport. I mean, even in Motorsport teaser, big part of it was to show in game reflections.
rickybooby87
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I don't think it is though, as the site still hasn't been updated as of 10 seconds ago:
Gran Turismo 7 - Exclusive PS5 & PS4 Games | PlayStation
Gran Turismo™ 7 brings you the best features from the history of the franchise. Find your line.
www.playstation.com
No mention of PS4, only PS5, check Horizon for reference:
Horizon Forbidden West - Exclusive PS4 & PS5 Games | PlayStation
Get Horizon Forbidden West on PS4 and PS5. See the latest news, trailers, screenshots and more. Join Aloy as she braves the Forbidden West, a majestic but dangerous frontier that conceals mysterious new threats.
www.playstation.com
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Reindeer
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I can't be bothered Googling this right now, but it's there on PlayStation blog with direct words from Hermen Hulst. You can alternatively Google "GT7 cross gen".
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MrPotato
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Yep I remember this Microsoft game getting the same response too
FH5 looks really good, some of the excuses I see here for it not having RT in gameplay is hilarious.
-mExIcO iSn't suited for RT
Like does Mexico not have reflective surfaces
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CeeJay
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They branch the ForzaTech engine that Turn10 develop and then modify that so I can't see PG releasing a game on the full fat next gen version at least a full year before Turn10 get their first game out of the door. FH5 is also getting a release on Xbox One so regardless of what these execs say it can't be built fully unrestricted from the ground up for SeriesS/X. Sure, there will be elements that can be cut and scaled down for the old consoles but you are definitely constrained to some degree with design decisions when you have to get the game running on old tech as well. The new consoles have got some significant advancements in IO architecture and CPU power before you even take the pure GPU performance into account. AAA developers of the calibre of Playground are able to get every drop of performance out of a fixed piece of hardware and I don't buy it that they can do that with the SeriesS/X while also having to get the game to run on the 2013 Xbox One. There may be some aspects of the brand new engine that PG were able to retrofit into their build such as the entire Forza Vista mode which is essentially a standalone application and does look amazing from what I have seen of it.
Kuranghi
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Personally I thought the stream version looked amazing, but after watching the 4K I realised it was heavily influenced by the rubbish streaming bitrate filter that was making my brain fill in the gaps.
On watching the 4K I have to agree thats its not really a big jump over FH4 running on PC at 4K60 to me. The tesselation draw distance is really severe and the side of the volcano for example looked too smooth when I watched the 4K vid.
People are enjoying it though I don't want to be too down on it, it still looks amazing and its running on a console that costs less than a GTX 1080 Ti right now so thats nuts, as that GPU is prob about the minimum you need to make it look and run like this.
Riky
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