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Xbox believes their subscription model is becoming a "central aspect of people's gaming lives" and it has the data to back it up
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jezhumphrey75
Banned
i dont think you can have enough gamepass threads surely? the more the merrier.
Derktron
Banned
Yeah, it has for me, I haven't spent thousands in games since gamepass has come out, it has saved me tons of money in games that ended being garbage in the end. People on here on Twitter are afraid of change and since it does not come from their glorious Sony leader, they are not celebrating the fact that it's a successful service. This is how Netflix started, some naysayers claimed it could not take over but yet here we are.
Bonfires Down
Member
Ok, but is that correlation or causation. They should compare numbers before and after someone subscribes to Game Pass.
Derktron
Banned
I am the data, stop fucking downplaying it just because it's not from Sony. You fanboys are as pathetic as my sex life.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Same. A lot of people bitch about everything being a subscription service nowadays but I pay like 50 bucks a month for my entire entertainment needs and I'm usually 100% happy without ever having to spend a penny more (there are some small exceptions). Shit's never been cheaper.
SLB1904
Banned
Damn sorry to hear that. Must be hard be an fanboy and have a pathetic sex life
ZehDon
Gold Member
I have Gamepass Ultimate, and I can’t see myself unsubscribing any time soon. It’s definitely opened up an avenue to lots of games I wouldn’t have played without it.
Once Microsoft’s exclusives start dropping, we’ll see how much the general public buys into the concept. For the hardcore, like myself, it’s a massive saving. For the casual who only buys one or two games a year, it might not make sense. Interesting to see it play out.
Once Microsoft’s exclusives start dropping, we’ll see how much the general public buys into the concept. For the hardcore, like myself, it’s a massive saving. For the casual who only buys one or two games a year, it might not make sense. Interesting to see it play out.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Both. It basically means that Game Pass members use their subscriptions more often than other gaming subscription members.Am I the only one that doesn’t understand this sentence:
Does it mean ”playing games at least once a week” or ”plays games through a subscription service”? Something is confusing me with the way it is formulated
SLB1904
Banned
There there gif
I was having this thought about the claim that gamepass users don't buy games honestly.
PS4 took half of all UK physical game sales in 2017
2017 was an incredible year for the PlayStation 4 in the UK, with Sony's console accounting for one out of every two ga…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Taking the 2017 numbers for UK there was already 50.2:32 advantage for all physical games (this is probably reasonable given that GP was still new but you could debate for other numbers). The next question is what happens to the data if you take out games that also came to switch, and switch exclusive games. Also wondering what the ps/xbox split was at, at that point.
Derktron
Banned
You just proved my point, and ignored, my list is getting big.
SLB1904
Banned
Jokes on you I ignored you first
Chukhopops
Member
They did the same in other countries, like France:
Surprisingly there are fewer people using a gaming subscription or subscription at all there.
Also this should be in the GamePass thread before the usual downplay crew arrives... too late.
Surprisingly there are fewer people using a gaming subscription or subscription at all there.
Also this should be in the GamePass thread before the usual downplay crew arrives... too late.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Entertainement subscription can also count library or cinema subscriptions as well as some store where you can borrow games etc ... It basically mean everyone excpet maybe oldest people.
I really like the 74% of gamepass subscriber play more than regular gamer ... regular gamer that include people that hardly ever play, I think most of thoses statement could apply to either ps+ or gold users....Simply because they are more invested than non paying users.
Just like people that have put money on gacha games tend to play more that game than free users.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The data presented here is unconvincing.
It's highly likely that GamePass subscribers skew hardcore, which already play more than more casual gamers.
We'd need to see the data of player behavior pre GamePass vs. after they subscribe.
It's highly likely that GamePass subscribers skew hardcore, which already play more than more casual gamers.
We'd need to see the data of player behavior pre GamePass vs. after they subscribe.
skit_data
Member
Is this data available for all countries? Any specific part of the Xbox website for every country?They did the same in other countries, like France:
Surprisingly there are fewer people using a gaming subscription or subscription at all there.
Also this should be in the GamePass thread before the usual downplay crew arrives... too late.
Chukhopops
Member
Cornbread78
Member
Fuck.
I pay for Netflix & Gamepass, but I only use Netflix daily and barely ever use GP and play mostly on my PS5 with PS+.
I am a slave to services dammit
I pay for Netflix & Gamepass, but I only use Netflix daily and barely ever use GP and play mostly on my PS5 with PS+.
I am a slave to services dammit
Cheers also gave some more info on the survey
The study was conducted in December 2021 by Opinion. Video games are played at least once a month in the UK, Spain, France, Italy, Sweden, Poland and Germany by 14,000+ players (2,000 respondents in each country) aged 16-40.
skit_data
Member
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Microsoft is gonna use this data to convince online game publishers to release day 1 on Gamepass.
Outriders was just the beginning.
Outriders was just the beginning.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The Xbox customer-base has shurnk, and by definition the hardcore are the last to leave. So this is just an extension of the MAU argument that current Xbox customers spend more money per person.
Yes, the data is likely right. It is the interpretation that is sus. But then we are talking about Xbox PR department, probably the most incompetent department of the entire Xbox Division. So it makes sense that they are not convincing anyone except those who are already playing Xbox.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
DeltaPolarBear
Member
If you are replying due to the typo, I am not sure I was worth your while.
If you are disagreeing because you think I was wrong, then you can just post the signature "triggered" emoji like every other Xbox poster here. Because you can think all you want, but if Xbox is truly growing MS would have TOLD US.
The very fact that they advertise Gamepass as "Our customers spend more money on average", is meant to hide the fact that "We have less customers than before". Because why even use that silly metric? It is a metric that literally only works if you have less customers.
Back in the Wii-U disaster, Nintendo would have hardcores left still playing and could have made the same claim. "Wii-U customers spent more money on average than Wii customers". And they would be telling the truth. It just wouldn't be a good thing.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Interesting. How many Xbox customers are there and how much has the base shrunk? It would be interesting to see the trends here.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I don't care about typos. I'm just vary of your claim. Everything we know implies that the customer base is growing, not shrinking.
FromDuskTillGameOver
Member
I think MS is right, most consumers prefer convenience. A good friend of mine buys only digital and he prefers it, even if the physical copy would be cheaper and shipped the next day. He says, he wants the game NOW and doesn't mind paying 5-10 Euros extra for that. He also said that storing the physical copies is a hustle. People asking for your copies to borrow, he misplaces them, Disc is scratched etc.
As a Gamer myself I find this attitude over such mild inconveniences pretty wild, but I feel this is the attitude a majority has and MS knows that. It's a fire and forget attitude, same with Netflix/Gamepass. Like hey u don't have to think about buying games or reviews and aaaall the tedious time wasting going with all that. You pay your subscription fee automatically (also easy to monitor financially) power on the console and just game what's on the menu. And if there's a particular game you're interested in you buy it also digital, cause you already have the subscription with all your bank data. Maybe that's a point for publishers, subscriptions are suppressing physical copies in the long term which for the publisher is..... convenient
As a Gamer myself I find this attitude over such mild inconveniences pretty wild, but I feel this is the attitude a majority has and MS knows that. It's a fire and forget attitude, same with Netflix/Gamepass. Like hey u don't have to think about buying games or reviews and aaaall the tedious time wasting going with all that. You pay your subscription fee automatically (also easy to monitor financially) power on the console and just game what's on the menu. And if there's a particular game you're interested in you buy it also digital, cause you already have the subscription with all your bank data. Maybe that's a point for publishers, subscriptions are suppressing physical copies in the long term which for the publisher is..... convenient
Stare-Bear
Banned
Unless they come up with hard numbers, percentages don't mean shit...
GametimeUK
Member
I am more of a PC / PS guy, but since getting my Series X and gamepass I do in fact play at least once a week with a friend. I haven't games with him for years because he was always Xbox and I was always Playstation.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
We should probably just make a thread for all Sony news too then.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Saddest thing I've read this month.
Hezekiah
Banned
We'd never know as Microsoft doesnt release those numbers.
LazyParrot
Member
I really want to know what they count as a gaming subscription here. Does signing up for PS+ so you can play your physical copy of FIFA online count as "playing games through a subscription"?
Chukhopops
Member
I think it counts as « playing through a subscription ». There’s no way they would find a statistically significant number of PSNow subs by asking 2,000 ppl in each country so it probably included PS+ and NSO.