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[GlockSaint]

Could Elden Ring Be Canceled Soon?

The state of Elden Ring is certainly questionable.

screenrant.com

Proceeds to make this ridiculous headline, then proceed to provide zero evidence and just says this is a speculation and that fans should just assume that it will eventually come. Looool I have no words, this is peak journalism folks.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I think we’ve reached rock bottom when it comes to videogame journalism. It’s very sad that garbage like this passes for journalism these days. I don’t even bother clicking sites like this.

 

[Elder Legend]

Could Elden Ring Be Canceled Soon?

The state of Elden Ring is certainly questionable.

screenrant.com

Proceeds to make this ridiculous headline, then proceed to provide zero evidence and just says this is a speculation and that fans should just assume that it will eventually come. Looool I have no words, this is peak journalism folks.

As someone who owns a website and runs content management and comes up or suggests headlines i hate to tell you this but running a website is same as running a company or any sort of business. And any business or company their main goal is to generate income..

Thanks to people like you who get easily outraged at the obvious, we make money from folks like you. It is smart, and it works, because it prompts reactions like these on random game forums and other social media platforms which in return gives traffic which is $$$ Please continue.

As far as shitty journalism goes I think a better argument would be to look at sites like Kotaku and Polygon where video games are no longer the main topic but rather stupid politics that have nothing to do with gaming. Now THAT'S rock bottom.

 

[kiphalfton]

No news doesn't necessarily mean the game was cancelled.

Actually I wish more devs would keep tight lipped about their games, as it otherwise leads to people bitching if they get too much info, the game releases, and it doesn't meet their expectations.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[Bragr]

Remember when game sites covered game of thrones because it got clicks? They are still dipping into comic book movies and star wars news, its been absurd for a long while.

 

[Zones]

It probably became an Xbox exclusive

No, it has become a Switch exclusive.

 

[Thief1987]

No news doesn't necessarily mean the game was cancelled.

Actually I wish more devs would keep tight lipped about their games, as it otherwise leads to people bitching if they get too much info, the game releases, and it doesn't meet their expectations.

From also at fault here, they announced it too early. There is nothing good when you announce a game and just disappearing, of course people will be speculating that there is something wrong going on.

 

[GlockSaint]

As someone who owns a website and runs content management and comes up or suggests headlines i hate to tell you this but running a website is same as running a company or any sort of business. And any business or company their main goal is to generate income..

Thanks to people like you who get easily outraged at the obvious, we make money from folks like you. It is smart, and it works, because it prompts reactions like these on random game forums and other social media platforms which in return gives traffic which is $$$ Please continue.

As far as shitty journalism goes I think a better argument would be to look at sites like Kotaku and Polygon where video games are no longer the main topic but rather stupid politics that have nothing to do with gaming. Now THAT'S rock bottom.

What makes you think I am mad lol? I find it pretty amusing how low effort this was that's all. I understand the hustle though.

 

[AJUMP23]

What popular thing may no longer be on your preferred platform, click here to find out.

 

[ManaByte]

The first 300 words of any Screenrant/Gamerant article is just word salad nonsense to hit a SEO minimum.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Could Elden Ring Be Canceled Soon?

The state of Elden Ring is certainly questionable.

screenrant.com

Proceeds to make this ridiculous headline, then proceed to provide zero evidence and just says this is a speculation and that fans should just assume that it will eventually come. Looool I have no words, this is peak journalism folks.

I think we’ve reached rock bottom when it comes to videogame journalism. It’s very sad that garbage like this passes for journalism these days. I don’t even bother clicking sites like this.

When anyone can make a video game article and call themselves a gaming journalist for click bait money, it goes to show how scummy the industry is (and ad clicking sites in general).

Internet content and thread titles really changed at some point. Not sure when, but there was a certain point in time way back when it changed from something like "Brad Pitt owns a big mansion" to "You'll never guess which person owns a giant estate!". Who gives a shit. It's junk. Ignore the assholes looking for their 3 cent click revenue.

It's an industry thing though - entertainment topic media. Big newspapers and website do it too. I skip it if possible, but its tough to skip sports trade rumours even though the guy has no proof and 90% of his past rumour mill trades never happen.

My buddy had a low key game site he got up and running 10 years ago. He has a day job and did stuff at night. He's the last guy to be called a game editor or journalist. All he did was review games like two weeks after they came out. Just because he posts stuff on the net doesn't mean he's a veteran or expert game writer. The guy has a boring desk job during the day.

 

[Corgi1985]

We're 6 months into new consoles with fuck all new to actually play

 

[skit_data]

”Will the universe stop expanding and spacetime collapse in on itself tomorrow?”

 

[StreetsofBeige]

”Will the universe stop expanding and spacetime collapse in on itself tomorrow?”

Not bad, but you can do more to get clicks. If you don't mind, I'm rewriting your header.

"What needs to crumble tomorrow in order for our Galaxy to disintegrate?"

And then when you click the link, a pop up or extra spam tab gets made if you dont have ad blocker on. ESPN used to have autoplaying videos the second you see the home page. Not sure if they still do. I had to add ad blocker and some HTML 5 auto video shut off extensions to beat that shit.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[Zones]

I don't think the Switch can run that game.

The Switch is such a miracle though. I am sure it's capable of running everything, including Pixar-like games.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[jakinov]

Who cares. Sites write editorials and opinion pieces all the time. They don't need evidence of anything because they aren't supposed to use evidence to prove anything is happening. It's the equivalent of people here making thread and speculating except these people are more vetted tan your average anonymous forum poster and have writing skills. The headline is overly clickbait but these articles are fun if you want to see other peoples views. If you just want the news then just read the news.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Could Elden Ring Be Canceled Soon?

The state of Elden Ring is certainly questionable.

screenrant.com

Proceeds to make this ridiculous headline, then proceed to provide zero evidence and just says this is a speculation and that fans should just assume that it will eventually come. Looool I have no words, this is peak journalism folks.

Slow news days don't exist. I literally haven't seen one in years. Not even Christmas, and it's getting more and more hectic with every year as the gaming industry expands.

If a writer has a "slow news day" it just means they don't have wide enough horizons. Whether it's Japanese games, Asian games, indies, add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator, or a million of other things, there's *always* enough stuff every day to fill it with news articles.

Of course, if someone only covers AAA, Big western games, or controversy (which is what a lot of people do), then it's a different matter, but then they're doing it wrong.

 

[Excess]

If you just want the news then just read the news.

The problem is that op-eds are now being peddled as "news". Much of what is written is more subtle and less obvious, using weasel words and styles of writing that are intended to absolve the writer of any responsibility. It's as easy as this:

Many believe that Xbox is beating Sony in the next generation console battle. ....Define "believe" and "beating". In this case, the writer bears no responsibility for peddling garbage disguised as news.

 

[Elder Legend]

What makes you think I am mad lol? I find it pretty amusing how low effort this was that's all. I understand the hustle though.

"Proceeds to make this ridiculous headline, then proceed to provide zero evidence and just says this is a speculation and that fans should just assume that it will eventually come" is what you said.

Sounds like you had an emotional trigger. Doesn't matter if you are mad or not, regardless you had an emotional reaction and that's what matters. And yes, some websites due go to low effort headlining, but that's just how it is sometimes. Most people see something ridiculous and WILL click on it because it sounds so ridiculous in the first place.

I've seen worse headlines though, trust me.

 

[Abriael_GN]

"Proceeds to make this ridiculous headline, then proceed to provide zero evidence and just says this is a speculation and that fans should just assume that it will eventually come" is what you said.

Sounds like you had an emotional trigger. Doesn't matter if you are mad or not, regardless you had an emotional reaction and that's what matters. And yes, some websites due go to low effort headlining, but that's just how it is sometimes. Most people see something ridiculous and WILL click on it because it sounds so ridiculous in the first place.

I've seen worse headlines though, trust me.

I certainly find it more egregious to justify this than to have an emotional reaction to it.

This kind of crap may happen, sure. But it doesn't mean it isn't worth calling it out.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

When News is Slow So You Make Clickbait Articles To Fill Your Quota​

 

[Elder Legend]

I certainly find it more egregious to justify this than to have an emotional reaction to it.

This kind of crap may happen, sure. But it doesn't mean it isn't worth calling it out.

He/she can call out whatever they wish. Just like I can call out facts and state the the truth on how it works on the business side of things as someone who has experienced it on both sides of the spectrum. Not sure, what your looking for here. It's horrific for me to tell people why websites do such things? You gotta be fucking kidding me lol.

 

[Abriael_GN]

He/she can call out whatever they wish. Just like I can call out facts and state the the truth on how it works on the business side of things as someone who has experienced it on both sides of the spectrum. Not sure, what your looking for here. It's horrific for me to tell people why websites do such things? You gotta be fucking kidding me lol.

You certainly can say it. It's also completely irrelevant. The fact that it happens doesn't make it ok.

Many things happen, and they're still crap.

 

[Kamina]

Journalism on the net is subject to greed for more clicks that create ad-revenue.
Content quality doesn’t matter anymore, just puke some garbage down on paper and release it to maximize the cash.

 

[Elder Legend]

You certainly can say it. It's also completely irrelevant. The fact that it happens doesn't make it ok.

Many things happen, and they're still crap.

So companies/websites shouldn't try making money because they should worry about your feelings and be conservative with their headline wording?

Get the fuck out of here of course its okay, you'd be doing same shit if you were in that position or ran the show if you saw $$$ in front of you and were paid to get peoples attention. Stop lying and being a hypocrit.

 

[Abriael_GN]

So companies/websites shouldn't try making money because they should worry about your feelings and be conservative with their headline wording?

Get the fuck out of here of course its okay, you'd be doing same shit if you were in that position or ran the show if you saw $$$ in front of you and were paid to get peoples attention. Stop lying and being a hypocrit.

First of all. Chill. You're the one who seems to be having a really emotional (and rather comedic) reaction, which is even funnier considering how you're calling out others for it. I'm sure you can get your (false) point across without the gratuitous profanity and personal attacks. Did you or some friend of yours write this poor excuse for an "article" that you're getting so emotionally invested in defending it?

Secondly, companies and websites can certainly make money without resorting to this crap. As a matter of fact, lots do. That's why editorial lines and editors exist to set clear limits to protect an outlet's credibility instead of exchanging it for a quick buck. The fact that some don't care and go for the quick payout doesn't mean that readers should just accept it and move on. Readers are customers. As such, the feedback brought by the OP is entirely valid, and not even that harsh compared to what would be deserved.

By your logic, anything should be accepted and acceptable as long as it makes the outlet money, which is as ludicrous as it comes.

 

[Elder Legend]

First of all. Chill. You're the one who seems to be having a really emotional (and rather comedic) reaction, which is even funnier considering how you're calling out others for it. I'm sure you can get your (false) point across without the gratuitous profanity and personal attacks.

Secondly, companies and websites can certainly make money without resorting to this crap. As a matter of fact, lots do. That's why editorial lines and editors exist to set clear limits to protect an outlet's credibility instead of exchanging it for a quick buck. The fact that some don't care and go for the quick payout doesn't mean that readers should just accept it and move on. Readers are customers. As such, the feedback brought by the OP is entirely valid, and not even that harsh compared to what would be deserved.

Thanks for telling me something that I already know. Just because editors exist doesn't mean the headline can't be clickbaity or a bit exaggerated. Quick buck? It's not as easy as you think it is to make money off strictly traffic ad revenue.

Ever since the growth of youtube and other social media means, there are many other ways to monetize your content whether it be through guest posts, bought backlinks, or simple paid shout outs on Instagram and so on. To be able to do such things you need to have a vast audience, no one will want to pay you a dime if you are a nobody.

To get audience you need to attract the consumers either with an interesting headline or some sort of a clickbait. It's also a very very competitive world out there, who has the better headlines on same news topic or a opinion piece, etc and so on. I don't think you realize how hard this work truly is behind the scenes.

Also, what makes you think I am mad? I am sitting here laughing my ass off at how delusional you are. You are arguing with someone who has been in this business for almost a decade. I find it amusing.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

As someone who owns a website and runs content management and comes up or suggests headlines i hate to tell you this but running a website is same as running a company or any sort of business. And any business or company their main goal is to generate income..

Thanks to people like you who get easily outraged at the obvious, we make money from folks like you. It is smart, and it works, because it prompts reactions like these on random game forums and other social media platforms which in return gives traffic which is $$$ Please continue.

As far as shitty journalism goes I think a better argument would be to look at sites like Kotaku and Polygon where video games are no longer the main topic but rather stupid politics that have nothing to do with gaming. Now THAT'S rock bottom.

You make it sound like it's a goldmine, but it's actually just evidence how much of a race to the bottom journalism has become. Thank God for adblocker.

 

[GeekyDad]

New Metroid Rumors Have Nintendo Fans Excited

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/metroid-prime-4-nintendo-switch-games-2d-remake-rumors/ In a new update, prominent Nintendo insider and leaker Zippo relayed word that they are "two hundred percent" sure a new 2D game from MercurySteam is in development. In fact, the leaker claims the game is...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Elder Legend]

You make it sound like it's a goldmine, but it's actually just evidence how much of a race to the bottom journalism has become. Thank God for adblocker.

Sadly, it actually isn't a goldmine. It would only be considered a goldmine if your website is hitting at least 500K unique monthly views which in this day and age is extremely difficult to obtain. IGN hoovers around 80 a million a month, they are in a goldmine x1000 but they've been around since forever and are grandfathered. Websites are honestly are a dead medium at this point unless you been here for a while like IGN or GameSpot, but sadly those turned into shit now so but they can do what they want because they've been here forever.

Real money now is in social media such as Instagram and YouTube and of course Twitch. But having a website is nice as a basic fundamental base of operations. Best way to make money nowadays is to get income from multiple sources such as the social medias listed above and growing all platforms at the same time at a steady base. To grow the platforms you need great content, good SEO and a social media manager who understands your audience and the market. It's a big endeavor and can also get very expensive when it comes to advertising and hiring employees/freelancers for the jobs. Its something I do every day and I absolutely love it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Thanks for telling me something that I already know. Just because editors exist doesn't mean the headline can't be clickbaity or a bit exaggerated. Quick buck? It's not as easy as you think it is to make money off strictly traffic ad revenue.

Ever since the growth of youtube and other social media means, there are many other ways to monetize your content whether it be through guest posts, bought backlinks, or simple paid shout outs on Instagram and so on. To be able to do such things you need to have a vast audience, no one will want to pay you a dime if you are a nobody.

To get audience you need to attract the consumers either with an interesting headline or some sort of a clickbait. It's also a very very competitive world out there, who has the better headlines on same news topic or a opinion piece, etc and so on. I don't think you realize how hard this work truly is behind the scenes.

Also, what makes you think I am mad? I am sitting here laughing my ass off at how delusional you are. You are arguing with someone who has been in this business for almost a decade. I find it amusing.

I don't think people are naive enough to know in order to get a big audience to get good revenue, you need content or a hook to get people in clicking the article or watching the video.

With the net, there's a million junky content creators hoping to score with equally junky content and headlines. And that's what people call out. Junk.

I'll give you an example of something completely the opposite, yet got tons of views. This YT dude who does some content on historical wars and battles. It's only a 3 year old account and he's got almost 300k subs. He's got only 12 videos. And one of them even has 10 million views.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX7katl3DVmch4D7LSvqbVQ/videos

I remember watching his channel when he only had two of this WWII videos up. He's released only 2 videos the past year. Yet, look at his videos and he's got shit loads of views. And it's great production values.

I've watched all of them except some of his videos covering battles from hundred of years ago. He's got great content and even diagrams showing how it worked.

Now compare that to the average blogger or guy scrambling for daily shitty content hoping to get some views.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Thanks for telling me something that I already know. Just because editors exist doesn't mean the headline can't be clickbaity or a bit exaggerated. Quick buck? It's not as easy as you think it is to make money off strictly traffic ad revenue.

Ever since the growth of youtube and other social media means, there are many other ways to monetize your content whether it be through guest posts, bought backlinks, or simple paid shout outs on Instagram and so on. To be able to do such things you need to have a vast audience, no one will want to pay you a dime if you are a nobody.

To get audience you need to attract the consumers either with an interesting headline or some sort of a clickbait. It's also a very very competitive world out there, who has the better headlines on same news topic or a opinion piece, etc and so on. I don't think you realize how hard this work truly is behind the scenes.

Also, what makes you think I am mad? I am sitting here laughing my ass off at how delusional you are. You are arguing with someone who has been in this business for almost a decade. I find it amusing.

For someone who isn't mad, you certainly throw around F words a lot.

Funny that you'd assume that having been in this business for a decade would automatically provide you with more experience than whoever you're discussing with. A decade really isn't that long. My first professional review on a printed magazine (and not a small one) was Flight Simulator 2004, and that was after a couple of years doing other kinds of articles. If you're trying to pull your veteran status, I suggest you don't. It only makes you sound silly when you try to "teach the job" to someone who has literally twice your experience, both on print and web, possibly since before you even started playing video games, let alone writing about them.

Now that we've set the record straight given that you were so eager to wave around your resume, this headline isn't "a bit exaggerated." It literally makes a false point that is based on absolutely nothing and that isn't at all reflected in the article. There is a difference between "a bit of exaggeration" and dishonesty. If you don't understand it, I can't really help you.

I'll give you an example of something completely the opposite, yet got tons of views. This YT dude who does some content on historical wars and battles. It's only a 3 year old account and he's got almost 300k subs. He's got only 12 videos.

Good point. Sure. Junk can make you money, but quality content also does. It's perfectly ok to call junk, junk.

 

[Elder Legend]

I don't think people are naive enough to know in order to get a big audience to get good revenue, you need content or a hook to get people in clicking the article or watching the video.

With the net, there's a million junky content creators hoping to score with equally junky content and headlines. And that's what people call out. Junk.

I'll give you an example of something completely the opposite, yet got tons of views. This YT dude who does some content on historical wars and battles. It's only a 3 year old account and he's got almost 300k subs. He's got only 12 videos. And one of them even has 10 million views.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX7katl3DVmch4D7LSvqbVQ/videos

I remember watching his channel when he only had two of this WWII videos up. He's released only 2 videos the past year. Yet, look at his videos and he's got shit loads of views. And it's great production values.

I've watched all of them except some of his videos covering battles from hundred of years ago. He's got great content and even diagrams showing how it worked.

Now compare that to the average blogger or guy scrambling for daily shitty content hoping to get some views.

Having great content is #1 always has been and always will be. In this person's case he either got extremely lucky on the YouTube SEO algorithm or he bought a bunch of fake subs to get attention or maybe he just had amazing content to begin with AND got lucked out with the algorithm. I am not sure, YouTube is a very strange beast.

We ourselves had videos that had got over 100K views in a matter of days and videos that sat at 50 views and never moved after that for weeks, go figure. Both were made with same quality, decent headlines and decent thumbnails. But some clearly outperformed the others.

Is there a lot of junk that gets a ton of views? Yeah there is, but if they are getting a lot of views that means they are doing something right ? There are also a ton of youtubers and bloggers who have amazing content but no exposure and why is that? It's a competitive world out there man. Unfortunately, if I had the perfect answer, I'd probably be too busy being on a yatch lol if that was the case because then everyone would be successful right?

 

[Elder Legend]

For someone who isn't mad, you certainly throw around F words a lot.

Funny that you'd assume that having been in this business for a decade would automatically provide you with more experience than whoever you're discussing with. A decade really isn't that long. My first professional review on a printed magazine (and not a small one) was Flight Simulator 2004, and that was after a couple of years doing other kinds of articles. If you're trying to pull your veteran status, I suggest you don't. It only makes you sound silly when you try to "teach the job" to someone who has literally twice your experience, both on print and web, possibly since before you even started playing video games, let alone writing about them.

Now that we've set the record straight given that you were so eager to wave around your resume, this headline isn't "a bit exaggerated." It literally makes a false point that is based on absolutely nothing and that isn't at all reflected in the article. There is a difference between "a bit of exaggeration" and dishonesty. If you don't understand it, I can't really help you.

I can guarantee you I make more money than you ever have in your shitty journalism career. Now kindly get off my nuts.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Is there a lot of junk that gets a ton of views? Yeah there is, but if they are getting a lot of views that means they are doing something right ?

Funny to see someone unironically support the idea that as long as you get traffic, anything goes.

I highly suggest you shut the fuck up and get off my fucking nuts. You are annoying as shit. Get blocked.

Aaand, I rest my case.

Also, nice edit, but a bit too late.

I can guarantee you I make more money than you ever have in your shitty journalism career.

Considering your previous assumption based on your relatively limited experience in the industry only made you look ridiculous, I suggest you keep your "guarantees" for yourself. They're probably as grounded as you thinking you know better than someone who has done this job for twice as long as you did.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Having great content is #1 always has been and always will be. In this person's case he either got extremely lucky on the YouTube SEO algorithm or he bought a bunch of fake subs to get attention or maybe he just had amazing content to begin with AND got lucked out with the algorithm. I am not sure, YouTube is a very strange beast.

We ourselves had videos that had got over 100K views in a matter of days and videos that sat at 50 views and never moved after that for weeks, go figure. Both were made with same quality, decent headlines and decent thumbnails. But some clearly outperformed the others.

Is there a lot of junk that gets a ton of views? Yeah there is, but if they are getting a lot of views that means they are doing something right ? There are also a ton of youtubers and bloggers who have amazing content but no exposure and why is that? It's a competitive world out there man. Unfortunately, if I had the perfect answer, I'd probably be too busy being one yatch lol if that was the case because then everyone would be successful right?

I have no idea how I even found his channel. It might had been a reco on a forum or I was randomly doing YT searches and saw the thumbnail have a blue diagram and clicked it. I don't remember.

I totally agree there's tons of great hidden content out there. That guys channel started slow and his old videos don't even have that many clicks. But his recent videos have tons. So at one time, he was one of the unknowns who started at zero views like everyone else.

I don't think people have an issue with anyone on the net trying to promote a channel that has great content. But with so many links available, people don't like their time wasted on a site or video which is actually a shallow click bait page.

If you watch some of that guys videos, you'll see zero clickbaity kinds of video titles, content, promotion, etc.... Even when he gives his opinions on what could or should had happened, it's not in a pissy click baity kind of way.

 

[Abriael_GN]

I have no idea how I even found his channel. It might had been a reco on a forum or I was randomly doing YT searches and saw the thumbnail have a blue diagram and clicked it. I don't remember.

I totally agree there's tons of great hidden content out there. That guys channel started slow and his old videos don't even have that many clicks. But his recent videos have tons. So at one time, he was one of the unknowns who started at zero views like everyone else.

I don't think people have an issue with anyone on the net trying to promote a channel that has great content. But with so many links available, people don't like their time wasted on a site or video which is actually a shallow click bait page.

If you watch some of that guys videos, you'll see zero clickbaity kinds of video titles, content, promotion, etc.... Even when he gives his opinions on what could or should had happened, it's not in a pissy click baity kind of way.

The "anything goes as long as I get people to click" philosophy works only as long as you don't care to create a consistent readership. People may click, but once they read trash like the article quoted at the top of this thread, they certainly won't come back on their own. So you're stuck consistently clickbaiting because that's the only way you have to get people to begrudgingly come back.

On the other hand, the YouTuber you bring up likely created themselves an audience simply with quality, and while it may not be enormous, it's likely people who happily come back to watch every video they make, because they know they'll be well informed and entertained. Definitely the right way of doing things.

Incidentally, thanks for bringing it up. I know what I'm doing tonight

 

[Elder Legend]

I have no idea how I even found his channel. It might had been a reco on a forum or I was randomly doing YT searches and saw the thumbnail have a blue diagram and clicked it. I don't remember.

I totally agree there's tons of great hidden content out there. That guys channel started slow and his old videos don't even have that many clicks. But his recent videos have tons. So at one time, he was one of the unknowns who started at zero views like everyone else.

I don't think people have an issue with anyone on the net trying to promote a channel that has great content. But with so many links available, people don't like their time wasted on a site or video which is actually a shallow click bait page.

If you watch some of that guys videos, you'll see zero clickbaity kinds of video titles, content, promotion, etc.... Even when he gives his opinions on what could or should had happened, it's not in a pissy click baity kind of way.

There is room for all kinds of content creators my friend. It just depends on the creator and how they choose to market themselves and how they want to be perceived and what values they hold.

For websites, its usually much more corporate because they are owned by companies and managed by someone else within a company and they don't care about integrity really that much or credibility as long as they bring money. Its just business. With YouTube you have much more independence.

 

[Elder Legend]

Funny to see someone unironically support the idea that as long as you get traffic, anything goes.



Aaand, I rest my case.

Also, nice edit, but a bit too late.



Considering your previous assumption based on your relatively limited experience in the industry only made you look ridiculous, I suggest you keep your "guarantees" for yourself. They're probably as grounded as you thinking you know better than someone who has done this job for twice as long as you did.

Thanks dad. Anything else?

I suggest you don't tell people what to say or how to talk. You are such low life idiot that its kind of sad. You are arguing with a random guy on a random internet forum over shit that doesn't even matter. Go ahead, tell me I am shit please if it helps you sleep at night.

10 years is relatively limited? I think you have lost sense of time. Covid must been getting to you. So sorry man.

Oh also, I forgot to tell you I charge people $100 per hour for business consultations. I have one right now under contract. Want proof you bottom barrel feeder? You are so insecure that you need to tell others they are bad. Lol.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Thanks dad. Anything else?

I suggest you don't tell people what to say or how to talk. You are such low life idiot that its kind of sad. You are arguing with a random guy on a random internet forum over shit that doesn't even matter. Go ahead, tell me I am shit please if it helps you sleep at night.

10 years is relatively limited? I think you have lost sense of time. Covid must been getting to you. So sorry man.

I thought you had blocked me?

No one told you what to say or how to talk. I've simply commented on what you said and how you talked. That's what happens in a discussion forum, and if you don't like it, I suggest you go write on your website and make sure you turn comments off.

PS: I'll help you since you appear not to know what "Relatively" means.

10 years is "relatively limited" compared to 20.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Abriael and Elder,

I totally get both your points.

As for me, I understand the business side enough to know making money in journalism/social media/web content you need an audience. And that audience is grown using whatever combo of content, click bait, corporate marketing push, etc..... that works.

Just not the type of thing I'll never fully understand or agree with (need click bait for getting an audience push) because for me, I come from working at big companies that have established products. And that comes from making quality products for decades. One of the companies Ive worked at has been around for over 100 years. Cars werent even invented yet.

When you work for companies that have physical products, you cannot wing it with junky clickbait kinds of products or claims. It'll die fast, your brand and company suffers and worst of all the retailers see a trend and never agree to carry your products ever again. You're too trashy to worth taking up space on the rack. And if it's a safety hazard, you got recalls that involve bad press, millions of dollars of costs and your brand just dropped 3 rungs down the ladder of trust.

When you do gun for misleading packaging and junk (a lot of those old ass 1-800 mail order products on TV, dollar store stuff that breaks right away (happened to me)), you end up living and dying (as Abriael said) on a constant churn of low quality stuff hoping there's enough one and done purchasers to keep it going by the time the next low quality product comes out (and most people dont check to see who made it).

 

[Abriael_GN]

Abriael and Elder,

I totally get both your points.

As for me, I understand the business side enough to know making money in journalism/social media/web content you need an audience. And that audience is grown using whatever combo of content, click bait, corporate marketing push, etc..... that works.

Just not the type of thing I'll never fully understand or agree with (need click bait for getting an audience push) because for me, I come from working at big companies that have established products. And that comes from making quality products for decades. One of the companies Ive worked at has been around for over 100 years. Cars werent even invented yet.

When you work for companies that have physical products, you cannot wing it with junky clickbait kinds of products or claims. It'll die fast, your brand and company suffers and worst of all the retailers see a trend and never agree to carry your products ever again. You're too trashy to worth taking up space on the rack.

When you do gun for misleading packaging and junk (a lot of those old ass 1-800 mail order products on TV, dollar store stuff that breaks right away (happened to me)), you end up living and dying (as Abriael said) on a constant churn of low quality stuff hoping there's enough one and done purchasers to keep it going by the time the next low quality product comes out (and most people dont check to see who made it).

The experience isn't identical, but it isn't so different either. Trash articles may not have the staying power in people's memories as poor and poorly advertised retail products, but the reputation sticks. I made the mistake of writing a rumor article 8 or so years ago by naively believing a shaky source, and I still get occasionally reminded of that mistake. One thing's for sure: I learned my lesson.

You can keep playing the algorithm and the rage clicks and keep the audience up that way, but you're just digging yourself deeper. At that point, you can still be successful by becoming a sweatshop of low-effort crap and throwing as much stuff at the algorithms as you can and hoping to God that some of it consistently sticks, but at that point, no one should complain if trash is called out as trash.

 

[Tschumi]

I saw a video the other week that took 18 minutes to say the game was a bad sequel, half of the footage was from the original title, i had to call out the filler status

 

[Elder Legend]

Abriael and Elder,

I totally get both your points.

As for me, I understand the business side enough to know making money in journalism/social media/web content you need an audience. And that audience is grown using whatever combo of content, click bait, corporate marketing push, etc..... that works.

Just not the type of thing I'll never fully understand or agree with (need click bait for getting an audience push) because for me, I come from working at big companies that have established products. And that comes from making quality products for decades. One of the companies Ive worked at has been around for over 100 years. Cars werent even invented yet.

When you work for companies that have physical products, you cannot wing it with junky clickbait kinds of products or claims. It'll die fast, your brand and company suffers and worst of all the retailers see a trend and never agree to carry your products ever again. You're too trashy to worth taking up space on the rack. And if it's a safety hazard, you got recalls that involve bad press, millions of dollars of costs and your brand just dropped 3 rungs down the ladder of trust.

When you do gun for misleading packaging and junk (a lot of those old ass 1-800 mail order products on TV, dollar store stuff that breaks right away (happened to me)), you end up living and dying (as Abriael said) on a constant churn of low quality stuff hoping there's enough one and done purchasers to keep it going by the time the next low quality product comes out (and most people dont check to see who made it).

You have very valid points. For physical stuff it def makes sense, but there is 1 big difference. The physical stuff people pay money for. For the article, people do not pay money, they click it and it costs them absolutely nothing. Now whether they'll stick around or not for future articles after reading it is a different story. Most people tend to not care if you overly clickbait them as long as the article/content in the end was interesting. Now if you just blatantly and consistently do the same thing then yeah people will start noticing the quality dropping and will start leaving the site. If an exgarreated clickbait is done once in a while its ok.

For example we named one of our articles titled "It Feels Bad Being A PlayStation Fan Right Now" while the headline sounded negative, it was actually praising a lot of things Sony has been doing in the past but how it feels that they went down a bit downhill after Jim Ryan took over.
We had so many angry fanboys and comments, it was fantastic because we knew exactly what a headline like that would do.

You had people arguing from both camps saying "article actually brings up a lot of good points, read it first before you react off the hesdline" and others just called us Xbots. It generated decent traffic, and was fun to read the comments and then we moved on lol.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The experience isn't identical, but it isn't so different either. Trash articles may not have the staying power in people's memories as poor and poorly advertised retail products, but the reputation sticks. I made the mistake of writing a rumor article 8 or so years ago by naively believing a shaky source, and I still get occasionally reminded of that mistake. One thing's for sure: I learned my lesson.

You can keep playing the algorithm and the rage clicks and keep the audience up that way, but you're just digging yourself deeper. At that point, you can still be successful by becoming a sweatshop of low-effort crap and throwing as much stuff at the algorithms as you can and hoping to God that some of it consistently sticks, but at that point, no one should complain if trash is called out as trash.

You have very valid points. For physical stuff it def makes sense, but there is 1 big difference. The physical stuff people pay money for. For the article, people do not pay money, they click it and it costs them absolutely nothing. Now whether they'll stick around or not for future articles after reading it is a different story. Most people tend to not care if you overly clickbait them as long as the article/content in the end was interesting. Now if you just blatantly and consistently do the same thing then yeah people will start noticing the quality dropping and will start leaving the site. If an exgarreated clickbait is done once in a while its ok.

For example we named one of our articles titled "It Feels Bad Being A PlayStation Fan Right Now" while the headline sounded negative, it was actually praising a lot of things Sony has been doing in the past but how it feels that they went down a bit downhill after Jim Ryan took over.
We had so many angry fanboys and comments, it was fantastic because we knew exactly what a headline like that would do.

You had people arguing from both camps saying "article actually brings up a lot of good points, read it first before you react off the hesdline" and others just called us Xbots. It generated decent traffic, and was fun to read the comments and then we moved on lol.

Off topic but just as side note for physical products and reputation, it's not even just about the company retailer getting involved and customers being pissed at a bad product.

Your competitors love it.

And they will use bad press and recalls and other dumb shit reminding the retailers why your company sucks. And if its a recall/safety hazard, every supplier knowing someone's products are being pulled will be chiming in why they should fill the spot. And the company who got their products pulled will be fighting back hoping the retailer gives them a break and fills the spot with other products until the issue is fixed.

When people read articles about a product pulled, most people don't give a shit since it doesn't involve them. At worst, they refund it and get back their $12.

The public knows about recalls, but we in the industry know about it way before.

But internally, its a fucking shit show of costs, PR, sending bad product back, sales and marketing in crisis mode to figure out what products to fill the gap etc.... Not the type of thing that will kill a big company as it'll always pass, but for that month it's a shit show!

Hope everyone just enjoyed my 30 second tidbit on goods on shelf! lol

 

[Abriael_GN]

The physical stuff people pay money for. For the article, people do not pay money, they click it and it costs them absolutely nothing.

This is a very, very debatable point. Readers still "pay" for articles. The fact that it doesn't cost money doesn't mean it costs "absolutely nothing." Reading articles costs time and time has value. The fact that there isn't a direct transaction between the reader and the site is irrelevant.

When reading an article feels like a waste of time (and the one quoted in this thread certainly does) or makes the reader feels they've been "sold a bad product" (it's the same sensation when you're being misled) it doesn't leave a good impression, which means that the reader is less likely to return for more.

Writing without caring whether readers feel like they've been given their time's worth at the end of the article may have short-term monetary results, but it's certainly a contemptible way of doing it, and its benefits in the long term are very, very debatable.

But internally, its a fucking shit show of costs, PR, sending bad product back, sales and marketing in crisis mode to figure out what products to fill the gap etc.... Not the type of thing that will kill a big company as it'll always pass, but for that month it's a shit show!

Same in the press, as long as an outlet is led by people who care. It may not be to the same extent, but dealing with the fallout of trash articles isn't pleasant at all for those who care about their trade.

 

[German Hops]