Interfectum
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He doesn't need to care about grass because Craig tends to mow grass regularly.
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Rea
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I'm saying what I'm feeling, there's nothing hyperbole, i have sensitive palms by the way, maybe you have more thick skin palms, i don't know. I literally feels like my hands are being pulled whenever i hit the short teleport portal, and i feel small little rubbles in my hand when doing the long portal jump as shown in the animation. So yeah, its depends on individual, some people has thick skins, so they are not as sensitive.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Great post in the tech thread. /SHe doesn't need to care about grass because Craig tends to mow grass regularly.
Rea
Member
WTF, seriously?? The game is rendering CGI assets and that's the size? I thought it will have around 50gb++. The combination of Kraken+Oodle is amazing. It seems that 825 gb of Ps5's SSD is not a problem at all. Cerny is truly a genius for making a Ps5. I'm loving it day after day.Ratchet and Clank files size 39.3 GB impressive.
Shmunter
Member
Oh no, the no fun police is here. Hide your bottles!!
Interfectum
Member
Well the key point has always been no manual LOD - discrete detail levels have to exist in the data-structure somewhere else the entire concept of making it stream-able and hitting the constant per-pixel detail density would be dead before even starting.
onesvenus
Member
See what I mean? It will likely not be a single asset. It will be a single asset authored but that doesn't mean multiple simplified versions of it are not used during the rendering.
FrankWza
Member
I was commenting on T thewire saying people downplay it without trying it. The haptic tech can also be used in other peripherals going forward and devs and peripheral makers are taking notice and developing specifically for it. Like in RE8. Before launch or whenever Astro was brought up it was downplayed as a gimmick that wouldnt be supported like past game add-ons or supposed innovations. As far as guns in Returnal I could tell the difference between the 3-4 weapons I used the most in the game. And even the perks each had felt different. Using the driver that had rapid fire or standard fire felt way different. Even when it had ricochet bullets added it would be different. Same with the carbine.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't know if you know this but the voice coils and the speakers are very similar. You can literally feel all sorts of sounds with them due to that. Pretty much a great improvement over the old rumble technology.
onesvenus
Member
Yup, it's all in my mind. See what I've found after a quick search. I'm sure I'd find more if I wante to.
It's fine if you don't believe me, but please, read what someone who knows what he is talking about is saying about UE5.
What's even more impressive is that you corrected him afterwards
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Having an opinion that is different from yours makes me look silly?
You sound very immature, I never said the dual sense didn’t have a impact. I said it wasn’t the main feature that I was looking forward to from a new Horizon game. Especially when it is not a native PS5 game and I think that is a fair opinion given the fact that we didn’t know horizon FW would even be a cross gen game until a few months ago.
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Three Jackdaws
Banned
I actually think Horizon Forbidden West will be a good test to see how Sony handle their cross-gen triple A exclusives, I remember reading about a year ago that the game will have "bench mark graphics" or something like that, this was from their recruitment calls or something.
But from what we saw in the trailer, if the graphics look anything like that on the PS5 I think we'll be in for a real treat. I'm dying to see some gameplay, it's long overdue.
I'm also excited for the Dualsense features, haptic vibrations are quite unique and the comment about feeling blades of grass makes me curious, but I understand that everyone has a their own thing so each to their own.
Shmunter
Member
But we all think you suck and hate your company. May swell post.Apparently there are new Starfield screenshot leaks... I'm concerned of the quality... I'd share but don't want to get banned I enjoy the people here.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Don't worry there's already a thread with those leaks I'll just link itApparently there are new Starfield screenshot leaks... I'm concerned of the quality... I'd share but don't want to get banned I enjoy the people here.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/starfield-leak-may-14-2021.1605224/#post-263470898
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
We don't actually know for sure how UE5 texturing works though.. they have only described it in very vague terms, and often we are getting the "info" from Eurogamer's impression after an interview.
And they've (Digital Foundry) gotten plenty of things we do KNOW about UE5 completely wrong, so who really knows?
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
And it becomes way less fun to speculate when we start getting nasty with each other. And when people claim to know for sure things that truly are just speculation (from various levels of knowledge.)
I'm absolutely that person sometimes, but have been trying not to be so much lately.
If a good convo happens, the speculation is really fun and can be a learning experience for those of us not as familiar with the tech.
Everyone chill mon.
I'm absolutely that person sometimes, but have been trying not to be so much lately.
If a good convo happens, the speculation is really fun and can be a learning experience for those of us not as familiar with the tech.
Everyone chill mon.
LiquidRex
Member
Nice one I'll take a look.
LiquidRex
Member
I really like how passionate people can be as it creates a more involved discussion but we all need to remind ourselves on occasion that in order to be more objective, we have to actively attempt to counteract our own biases.
Even though fanboys of all walks are often obtuse, stubborn and prickly I still try to remember that it's very possible they know something that I don't.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
The fact you use 1 single button and the way you press it makes you feel if you're doing normal aim or readying the special attack feels pretty game changing to me. And that's just 1 of the features, not even mentioning the "feel" of the sounds though the controller and getting the indication if you're being shot at, etc.
This is not hypothetical, I play with both the dualsense and sometimes with the ds4 on remote play in my computer. It's night and day the level of immersion the dualsense provides.
onesvenus
Member
He is not talking only about texturing.
And I don't know about you, but I'd get the opinion of a developer over the opinion of someone who missunderstoods technical terms all the time
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
They say it's scaled in real time.. if it was a series of pre-scaled LODs, would that even be an accurate description?
Random forum poster dev is definitely more knowledgeable than me no doubt; doesn't mean that they aren't contradicting Epic.. this "look at this poster he knows terms he must be right" thing is silly because the details are scant.
Should be discussing Epic's words, and providing an argument for why you think they mean something specific, or accuse them of lying...
onesvenus
Member
No, they say developers don't have to author LOD levels. That doesn't mean LOD levels aren't used, it means developers don't have to precreate them. UE5 will automagically create discrete LOD levels from a single mesh and use those when needed.
Epic words are that LOD levels won't be authored anymore, not that they won't be used. Thinking LOD levels or geometry refinement won't be used is absurd. Do you think a 1M mesh that is projected to a single pixel will be rendered at full precision?
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Dad_Of_Chicken
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The most impressive thing for me with the PS5 is the quality of the promotional videos/screenshots on the PS Store. It's well beyond anything on the PS4. I don't know what they changed. Videos looks MUCH better than any Youtube 4k footage.
LucasBR
Member
I will add to it the fluidity of the store, when browsing through my PS4 fat it was a pain in the ass, laggy af.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
It may also be linked to your playstation parameters, because video on my ps4 looked normal but when my brother do it on its ps4 pro it looked awful and pixelated.Which is weird since we both use fiber and wired connexion, but changing some of its internet parameters on the ps4 solved the issue(I can't remember which ones though).
Dad_Of_Chicken
Member
Hmm, maybe. My PS4 Pro was wired to a fiber connection while my PS5 is on wifi. The video feed from PS4's PS Store was always bad the first few seconds and they would get acceptable as the video went on. But on PS5 the max quality comes earlier and is absolutely superb. It sometimes feels like the game is actually being rendered on the screen.
Dad_Of_Chicken
Member
Oh dear... Always do your research.
May I ask what caused such a dramatic reaction? What would cause that person to remove their video?
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LiquidRex
Member
He was complaining about Gen 9 games still running 1080p 60fps and went on about how Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart was 30fps with Ray Tracing, however now he has admitted he was wrong, as he was quoting an article from August 2020 and not what was represented in the recent Ratchet trailers.
You may do like many of us did and spend a good amount of time playing Astro's Playroom. I still havent played a full VR games yet on PSVR, still on the demos, lol.
Enjoy that, and get ready to be blown away by some PS5 games., PS5 versions of games.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well yes did you every try playing the sounds of a vibrator through a DualSense?
I tried it on PC and it's pretty interesting.
MasterCornholio
Member
I saw this tweet.
My guess is that he stated something the developers never confirmed to him.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
So by "scaling in real time" they mean use a set of pre-determined LOD levels?
I'm well aware of their words; you are ignoring half of their statement... or just aren't answering my question.
Epic said:
I'm talking about this part of that same sentence. I'm aware they say "no need to manually author", so are you guys suggesting that by scaling in real time they just mean to the specific LOD levels they pre-determine at build time?
But of course I don't believe the bold, why would you think that? You are just not addressing the "scaled" sentence.. they claim that mesh would be scaled to a single pixel in real time. (or at least that's how I've interpreted it)
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I specifically said you were downplaying it’s impact which is exactly what you were doing and it made you look silly, that’s a matter of fact, nothing to do with having different opinions.
Anchovie123
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70% file reduction.
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onesvenus
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No, they'll do a combination of both. They'll do real time simplification between discrete LOD levels.
If we have a mesh M with a big number of polygons, which we use to compute three LOD levels: X, Y and Z, a way to simplify M in real time, and we need to render that mesh to a couple of pixels. We can do two things:
- Have a single mesh in memory and keep iterating over it to simplify it in RT to get to the desired complexity. (i.e. we'll go from M to something more simplified than Z)
- Have multiple LODs of that mesh and when a threshold is trespassed (like let's say when that mesh is projected in less than 100, 50 and 10 pixels), only load the LOD level that's needed to memory and simplify it accordingly (i.e. we'll use Z as an starting point and go from it to the desired simplification)
Notice that doing the second option we avoid wasting RAM (or I/O bandwidth) on something that's not being rendered at its full resolution and processing power because we don't need to do the simplification from a big mesh.
What's interesting to me is that, with the crazy amount of I/O bandwidth of these consoles, it makes even more sense to have something precomputed and stream it as needed than to keep it in RAM and simplify it on real time. And being as powerful as they are you can "waste" cycles refining each LOD in RT to make transitions between them almost invisible
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Shelookdlvl18
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No you twat, it isn't. Some people may feel it's underrated while others may think it's been overhyped.
Looking silly would be "I loves my haptics. It's so awesome! If you don't agree with me, you're just downplaying it and looking silly. Hur dur."
Grow up, and discuss the things you like about it, but don't pretend you're so important as to be any sort of authority figure on... well, anything really.
jasondefaoite
Member
Liked this game a lot (the PS4 version) but the PS5 release is probably one of the worst PS5 patched games to date. Constant tearing when moving. Loading speeds while significantly improved on the PS4 are still pretty slow.70% file reduction.
I remember Bo mentioning previously he doesn't see/notice tearing. Well, time for the Subnautica PS5 tear challenge
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
I am not going to derail the thread by going back and forth with you.
We can agree to disagree, I know what I said and I will leave it at that.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think that as much as I will admit that quality control and the DPad on the new Xbox controller are very good (the DPad on PS5 is great, but sometimes it will get off center and hits the hard shell of the pad… it could be a bit clickier… while the PS Vita DPad still reigns on top now the XSX and PS5 DPad trade blows and I would have not expected it), I have also to be honest around haptics and the triggers.
The combo of motion controls + strong haptics feedback + adaptive triggers is definitely a tie breaker for me unless the game has massive constraints somewhere else on PS5. It is just that good when implemented well.
Shmunter
Member
Incrediburu!70% file reduction.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
They are possibly using better compression, but something tells me there was plenty of fat that could not be trimmed on PS4 (data duplication) and lack of incentive (storage was a lot cheaper on PS4).
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