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Bladed Thesis

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Spacefish said:
you missed my point, it wasn't defending physical media. We did finally escape from corporate control that existed with physical media (the publishers who caused the creatively bankrupt modern AAA space and film industry). Videogames are the only digital media with a healthy digital market that isn't gate kept. Indie devs set their own prices, not giant corporations and people are willing to pay. Devs don't need to go on tour to make ends meet, they don't need to negotiate with giant corporations or publishers for royalties and distribution logistics, they make good shit then sell it. If you want to argue indie games are overpriced and anti consumer then we just disagree. I don't agree that musicians are in a healthy place when an album that takes moths to years to make is worth little more than a google search.

sure, people weren't forced, they choose using short term thinking, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. China's disproportionate economic and political control wasn't forced on us, we walked into it on the highs of dirt cheap produce. A good deal isn't always pro consumer long term.
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The digital market isn't gatekept with a Gamepass or subscription model either. In fact, it amplifies the value proposition to indies because suddenly their title is available to a host (23m plus allegedly) of gamers who will give most anything on the service a try. I don't know how you can think a subscription model is a danger for indies when indies developers have already highlighted how it benefits them and spoken about how it even increased sales. I also don't know where you got me connecting indies to being anti-consumer. Nevermind, the subscription model in other industries has shown us that these models INCREASE the benefits to indies. Indie movies to indie music have achieved access to the global market with subscription and streaming models.

Musicians are probably not be in a healthy place, I didn't say they are so I don't know where you're getting that from either. Do you usually put words in peoples mouth to then argue against the points they didn't make? I only specifically mentioned major artists who have been the most vocal against streaming platforms and the loss of physical media sales. As far as an album taking months or a year to create and being only worth a Google search, that says more about the value proposition of the product and the methods of product creation than the consumer. If the consumer doesn't think its worth it than its not worth it. That's how the market works. Again, that's not the consumers' problem. No, I'm not going to "think of the artists" trying to sell something for a price nobody no longer wants to buy.

And as far as your last comment, what are you saying? We should save the stupid consumer from themselves? It seems like there's a narrative in your head about subscription models being bad for indies, which flies directly in the face of primary sources (data and their own words) as well as secondary data sources (other industries where this has not been the case) nd then you've set up arguments against these imagined narratives. I don't understand it.
 
Bogroll

Bogroll

Likes moldy games
Jemm said:
I guess similar thing will happen when you'll play Deathloop on PlayStation.
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I don't know if Xbox studios will come on though. Maybe just the Bethesda logo. Will interesting to see though. But I never expected the PS button fonts dancing around on my sreen.
 
Fredrik

Fredrik

Member
Hezekiah said:
Every time some random person tweets something about numbers there'll be a thread on it.
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Chill. It won’t happen that often. 23 million people are subscribing to the service, I think we’re way past the point where it’s rational to have one thread for everything. What some are suggesting here would be like having a next generation console thread for everything about the new consoles, game rumors, game releases, general discussions, minor news, etc. I get that console war is exhausting but people need to chill a bit, stop being so triggered by everything. We’re all adults and we’re all here because we’re sharing an interest for this hobby, we get to meet people from all over the world, it’s a cool scenario if you let it be that. But at this point it’s clear the we’re taking away lots of interesting discussions. We got rid of the weekly hype/hate thread but also a lot of the interesting talk. Only the most dedicated fans enter this thread to talk and check if something new or cool is happening with this popular service, everybody else has gone elsewhere now since this board isn’t covering the whole hobby anymore in a relaxed way.
 
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Spacefish

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Bladed Thesis said:
The digital market isn't gatekept with a Gamepass or subscription model either. In fact, it amplifies the value proposition to indies because suddenly their title is available to a host (23m plus allegedly) of gamers who will give most anything on the service a try. I don't know how you can think a subscription model is a danger for indies when indies developers have already highlighted how it benefits them and spoken about how it even increased sales. I also don't know where you got me connecting indies to being anti-consumer. Nevermind, the subscription model in other industries has shown us that these models INCREASE the benefits to indies. Indie movies to indie music have achieved access to the global market with subscription and streaming models.

Musicians are probably not be in a healthy place, I didn't say they are so I don't know where you're getting that from either. Do you usually put words in peoples mouth to then argue against the points they didn't make? I only specifically mentioned major artists who have been the most vocal against streaming platforms and the loss of physical media sales. As far as an album taking months or a year to create and being only worth a Google search, that says more about the value proposition of the product and the methods of product creation than the consumer. If the consumer doesn't think its worth it than its not worth it. That's how the market works. Again, that's not the consumers' problem. No, I'm not going to "think of the artists" trying to sell something for a price nobody no longer wants to buy.

And as far as your last comment, what are you saying? We should save the stupid consumer from themselves? It seems like there's a narrative in your head about subscription models being bad for indies, which flies directly in the face of primary sources (data and their own words) as well as secondary data sources (other industries where this has not been the case) nd then you've set up arguments against these imagined narratives. I don't understand it.
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I'm not replying after this, I'm just re-explaining shit I already said multiple times. Subscriptions are a danger to indies because they de-value and discourage individual purchases of games. This threatens their very independence, You wanna make money in a future where people spend all their time and money on totally dominant subscriptions? go talk to Microsoft, Apple or Sony, you aren't making shit on a dead market and in a climate where people expect to receive massive AAA's in a manner that feels "free". You're like the 5th person to explain to me why its great right now when I said over and over again, gamepass is nascent and I'm talking 10+ years in the future. Indie movies never had a healthy digital marketplace and iTunes was killed by streaming services.

Do I put words in peoples mouths? funny coming from someone who is doing nothing but that. You're arguing with points I never made and some that I explicitly argued for.
you said:

"The music industry has totally not collapsed. There are more albums being made, more content being generated for music streaming platforms. And your argument of "artists hate streaming platforms, they make less money" is true for the major artists only really and that's because before consumers were being charged $20 for a CD that had 2-4 songs they wanted. The streaming of music has changed that game and yes major artists are no longer reaping the benefits of selling $20 albums."

what is this if not downplaying how completely dire the situation for musicians is? What is the point of this paragraph in response to what I originally said? that you want to highlight how much it sucks for musicians? Because the tone is that only major artists are annoyed and its busier than ever. There are many reasons why people devalue media, piracy is one, major corporations unnaturally dumping billions into loss leader projects is another, it is in the consumers best interest to have a market that supports the maximum amount of creators while giving them maximum freedom, this is what we already have with games.

Do what you want with your money, this is just a discussion on the possible negative effects, If you want to get emotional and take it as a personal insult that's your choice.
 
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IDappa

IDappa

Member
Spacefish said:
I'm not replying after this, I'm just re-explaining shit I already said multiple times. Subscriptions are a danger to indies because they de-value and discourage individual purchases of games. This threatens their very independence, You wanna make money in a future where people spend all their time and money on totally dominant subscriptions? go talk to Microsoft, Apple or Sony, you aren't making shit on a dead market and in a climate where people expect to receive massive AAA's in a manner that feels "free". You're like the 5th person to explain to me why its great right now when I said over and over again, gamepass is nascent and I'm talking 10+ years in the future. Indie movies never had a healthy digital marketplace and iTunes was killed by streaming services.

Do I put words in peoples mouths? funny coming from someone who is doing nothing but that. You're arguing with points I never made and some that I explicitly argued for.
you said:

"The music industry has totally not collapsed. There are more albums being made, more content being generated for music streaming platforms. And your argument of "artists hate streaming platforms, they make less money" is true for the major artists only really and that's because before consumers were being charged $20 for a CD that had 2-4 songs they wanted. The streaming of music has changed that game and yes major artists are no longer reaping the benefits of selling $20 albums."

what is this if not downplaying how completely dire the situation for musicians is? What is the point of this paragraph in response to what I originally said? that you want to highlight how much it sucks for musicians? Because the tone is that only major artists are annoyed and its busier than ever. There are many reasons why people devalue media, piracy is one, major corporations unnaturally dumping billions into loss leader projects is another, it is in the consumers best interest to have a market that supports the maximum amount of creators while giving them maximum freedom, this is what we already have with games.

Do what you want with your money, this is just a discussion on the possible negative effects, If you want to get emotional and take it as a personal insult that's your choice.
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But hasn't it already been proven a large percentage of people spend money on games after trying them on gamepass?. Seems like you are ignoring that fact.
 
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Bladed Thesis

Member
Spacefish said:
I'm not replying after this, I'm just re-explaining shit I already said multiple times. Subscriptions are a danger to indies because they de-value and discourage individual purchases of games. This threatens their very independence, You wanna make money in a future where people spend all their time and money on totally dominant subscriptions? go talk to Microsoft, Apple or Sony, you aren't making shit on a dead market and in a climate where people expect to receive massive AAA's in a manner that feels "free". You're like the 5th person to explain to me why its great right now when I said over and over again, gamepass is nascent and I'm talking 10+ years in the future. Indie movies never had a healthy digital marketplace and iTunes was killed by streaming services.

Do I put words in peoples mouths? funny coming from someone who is doing nothing but that. You're arguing with points I never made and some that I explicitly argued for.
you said:

"The music industry has totally not collapsed. There are more albums being made, more content being generated for music streaming platforms. And your argument of "artists hate streaming platforms, they make less money" is true for the major artists only really and that's because before consumers were being charged $20 for a CD that had 2-4 songs they wanted. The streaming of music has changed that game and yes major artists are no longer reaping the benefits of selling $20 albums."

what is this if not downplaying how completely dire the situation for musicians is? What is the point of this paragraph in response to what I originally said? that you want to highlight how much it sucks for musicians? Because the tone is that only major artists are annoyed and its busier than ever. There are many reasons why people devalue media, piracy is one, major corporations unnaturally dumping billions into loss leader projects is another, it is in the consumers best interest to have a market that supports the maximum amount of creators while giving them maximum freedom, this is what we already have with games.

Do what you want with your money, this is just a discussion on the possible negative effects, If you want to get emotional and take it as a personal insult that's your choice.
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Seems like you're the one who got emotional and took it personal.

Take that ball and walk home. Cheers, I guess.
 
StreetsofBeige

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Spacefish said:
I'm not replying after this, I'm just re-explaining shit I already said multiple times. Subscriptions are a danger to indies because they de-value and discourage individual purchases of games. This threatens their very independence, You wanna make money in a future where people spend all their time and money on totally dominant subscriptions? go talk to Microsoft, Apple or Sony, you aren't making shit on a dead market and in a climate where people expect to receive massive AAA's in a manner that feels "free". You're like the 5th person to explain to me why its great right now when I said over and over again, gamepass is nascent and I'm talking 10+ years in the future. Indie movies never had a healthy digital marketplace and iTunes was killed by streaming services.

Do I put words in peoples mouths? funny coming from someone who is doing nothing but that. You're arguing with points I never made and some that I explicitly argued for.
you said:

"The music industry has totally not collapsed. There are more albums being made, more content being generated for music streaming platforms. And your argument of "artists hate streaming platforms, they make less money" is true for the major artists only really and that's because before consumers were being charged $20 for a CD that had 2-4 songs they wanted. The streaming of music has changed that game and yes major artists are no longer reaping the benefits of selling $20 albums."

what is this if not downplaying how completely dire the situation for musicians is? What is the point of this paragraph in response to what I originally said? that you want to highlight how much it sucks for musicians? Because the tone is that only major artists are annoyed and its busier than ever. There are many reasons why people devalue media, piracy is one, major corporations unnaturally dumping billions into loss leader projects is another, it is in the consumers best interest to have a market that supports the maximum amount of creators while giving them maximum freedom, this is what we already have with games.

Do what you want with your money, this is just a discussion on the possible negative effects, If you want to get emotional and take it as a personal insult that's your choice.
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Depends on the person. And depends what kind of deal indies get for sub plans.

When it comes to games, I play a mix of big budget and indie games.

For movies, I only buy and or go to theatres for big name movies. I've never paid a dime for admission or a $10 DVD unless you want to call Michael Moore documentaries cheap indie movies.

But for Netflix, I've watched all kinds of random stuff I'd never have paid money or even known existed. I've watched everything from Dawn Wall about cliff climbers to dumb shit like World's Scariest Prisons to Netflix Castlevania.

I'm 100% positive the average movie watcher skews close to my movie watching habits. That's why most indie movies get almost zero theatre gate receipts, and most of them won't even hit theatres. Combine those two and it probably doesn't even get a DVD or BR release. So as a last option, Netflix or Hulu gives them some money which is better than nothing as their other options have got them $0.

And the same goes for GP. I played The Touryst lately. OK game. I'd never had bought it. I'm going to mess with Rain on my Parade this week. There's another one.

It's not like game makers get $0 from MS, Sony or NF and put their content on the service for free.
 
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Banjo64

Banjo64

cumsessed
Dragon Quest Builders 2, Game Pass, 4th May;

Buy DRAGON QUEST BUILDERS 2 | Xbox

DRAGON QUEST BUILDERS™ 2 is a block-building RPG set in a fantasy land threatened by an evil cult. Explore, battle, create and harvest in the charming single-player campaign or build big projects in the online sandbox mode for up to 4-players.
www.microsoft.com

Dragon Quest Builders 2

DRAGON QUEST BUILDERS 2 is a block-building role-playing game with a charming single player campaign and a robust multiplayer building mode that supports up to four players online. Create your customized character, team-up with your fearless friend Malroth, gather the skills required to become a...
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Denton

Denton

Member
I paid 200 dollars for 4 years of gamepass (until april 2024).
So far, I finished these games on gamepass, from most recent to oldest:

Anthem
Battlefield V
Gears Hivebusters
Call of the Sea
The Medium
Halo 4
Tetris Effect
Halo 3 ODST
Tell Me Why
Halo 3
Deliver Us the Moon
Halo 2
Halo
Wolfenstein Youngblood
Blair Witch
Halo Reach
Rage 2
The Outer Worlds
Gears 5
Gears of War 4

When they are out, I plan to play Destroy All Humans, Halo Infinite, Fable, Perfect Dark, Avowed, Forza Horizon 5, Starfield, TES 6, Deathloop, Ghostwire, Hellblade 2.

It's a good deal.
 
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reksveks

Member
Banjo64 said:
Dragon Quest Builders 2, Game Pass, 4th May;


Dragon Quest Builders 2

DRAGON QUEST BUILDERS 2 is a block-building role-playing game with a charming single player campaign and a robust multiplayer building mode that supports up to four players online. Create your customized character, team-up with your fearless friend Malroth, gather the skills required to become a...
www.metacritic.com www.metacritic.com
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One of the 6 that IGN Korea mentioned?
 
Fox Mulder

Fox Mulder

Member
Been playing Forza horizon 4 and that lego expansion is pretty great. Makes the other expansion with storms look absolutely tiny and boring.

im way late to the game but it’s nice the game is still active and easy to find groups for anything. I just wish the AI was harder and the game highlighted cars better. It gave me hundreds already and I only stick to a few I like.
 
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Fredrik

Fredrik

Member
DonJorginho said:
Gotta love the variety gamepass offer man, one of the best deals in gaming, have been playing a fuck ton of Ori lately, what a wonderful platformer!
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Yeah the Ori games are stellar, possibly my favorit MS IP. Will of the Wisps is close to a ten for me on XSX. Such a beauty.

But it’s a real bummer that the dev is off doing other things now, MS essentially can’t do another one until Moon Studios is done with their multiplat and after that it’ll take 3-5 years until a new Ori could be done, would miss the whole gen.
 
FrozenFlame

FrozenFlame

Member
I feel like MS (and developers allowing it) should try to get more multiplayer only games like Knockout City on Gamepass. Let's be realistic, they won't sell well and the player base will dwindle really quickly. At least on services like GP, there's still people giving it a try just because it's "free".
Even if I don't have any of the MS consoles, I'll be really disappointed if Chivalry 2 isn't part of GP when it releases on the consoles. Sure, it's well known among PC players, but the same can't be said for console players.
 
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Blade2.0

Member
Loved Builders 1, now this is definitely a great get. Been waiting for it to be 20 bucks but it has never gone below 30 since release. Will just play it here, now
 
KingT731

KingT731

Member
sainraja said:
Isn't that game going to be free to play?

Not sure why it's being marked as a game pass thing. Are we going to get some additional content as part of game pass?
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I said the same exact thing. But then i saw it was $20 and I'm like hmmm...they were pushing it like it was going to be F2P.
 
sainraja

sainraja

Member
That makes sense then.....I thought it was F2P so was a little puzzled but if it retails for $20, being on game pass makes sense. Thank you!
 
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SaturnSaturn

SaturnSaturn

Member
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock

EviLore EviLore
 
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Vognerful

Vognerful

Member
Denton said:
I paid 200 dollars for 4 years of gamepass (until april 2024).
So far, I finished these games on gamepass, from most recent to oldest:

Anthem
Battlefield V
Gears Hivebusters
Call of the Sea
The Medium
Halo 4
Tetris Effect
Halo 3 ODST
Tell Me Why
Halo 3
Deliver Us the Moon
Halo 2
Halo
Wolfenstein Youngblood
Blair Witch
Halo Reach
Rage 2
The Outer Worlds
Gears 5
Gears of War 4

When they are out, I plan to play Destroy All Humans, Halo Infinite, Fable, Perfect Dark, Avowed, Forza Horizon 5, Starfield, TES 6, Deathloop, Ghostwire, Hellblade 2.

It's a good deal.
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Like HOW?! the only game I finished from the list is the medium.
 
Nikana

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock
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Ask a mod.
 
Antwix

Antwix

Member
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock
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Yeah I agree. I only found out about DQ B2 by chance on twitter earlier today.
 
Deputy Moonman

Deputy Moonman

Member
Fredrik said:
Yeah the Ori games are stellar, possibly my favorit MS IP. Will of the Wisps is close to a ten for me on XSX. Such a beauty.

But it’s a real bummer that the dev is off doing other things now, MS essentially can’t do another one until Moon Studios is done with their multiplat and after that it’ll take 3-5 years until a new Ori could be done, would miss the whole gen.
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I had no idea Moon Studios was working on a multiplat game. I don't mind them working on something else, but it kind of feels like Insomniac all over again. When will Sony snatch them up?
 
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Aguero9320

Member
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock
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Yeah, that's not what they said was going to happen at all? It was specifically stated that rule had changed and announcements of new games being added were allowed? Can a mod clarify why it was locked?
 
Bumblebeetuna

Bumblebeetuna

Member
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock
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GamePass threads are bad
 
Warnen

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock
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kinda stuff I was afraid of, even with the boss man saying news threads could be there own thing mods still locking them.
 
Pantz

Pantz

Member
Dang, can't even make a thread about a game coming to Xbox for the first time if it's associated with Game Pass.
 
Hosam6xavi

Hosam6xavi

Banned
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock

EviLore EviLore
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welcome origin GIF
 
JackMcGunns

JackMcGunns

Member
Is Sony's "Counter-punch" just paying publishers like Capcom to block RE8 from coming to GamePass? or will they come out with something that benefits gamers?
 
Captain Toad

Captain Toad

Banned
JackMcGunns said:
Is Sony's "Counter-punch" just paying publishers like Capcom to block RE8 from coming to GamePass? or will they come out with something that benefits gamers?
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You have proof or any evidence at all that Sony paid Capcom to not put Resident Evil 8 on GamePass? Because that sounds like more completely fabricated console warrior BS to me.

Are we just going to pretend any major release that isn't on GamePass is Sony's doing?
 
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CS Lurker

CS Lurker

Member
Xcloud will help me a lot for testing games without needing to manage my storage space. Too many games I want to try, little free time and GB's available lol

Denton said:
I paid 200 dollars for 4 years of gamepass (until april 2024).
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You mean 3 years, right
 
MadPanda

MadPanda

Banned
SaturnSaturn said:
Why the fuck did the DQ Builders 2 thread get locked? I thought big game announcments where allowed, how the hell would i even know that it was coming otherwise, i dont lurk gamepass general, i just want to know when big games are available. really liked the first one, so looking forward to playing two (never felt like paying for it)

Also it has not been on xbox before either, so i really dont get the lock

EviLore EviLore
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Just wait for the whole slate of games being announced and you can have your thread.
 
Kagey K

Kagey K

Banned
MadPanda said:
Just wait for the whole slate of games being announced and you can have your thread.
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Why one game is a day one release, and the other is a new port coming to Xbox.

They should both be able to have their own threads, and would be able to, if they were only available for 69.99. The fact that they are coming to Gamepass day one shouldn’t stop people from being able to discuss thier hopes for the ports, or releases.

New news new thread.

DQB2 was officially announced for Xbox, but because of Gamepass we can’t talk about it?

Thats fucking retarded.

Come to gaming site to talk about games, but not allowed to discuss them because....
 
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Kagey K

Kagey K

Banned
Captain Toad said:
You have proof or any evidence at all that Sony paid Capcom to not put Resident Evil 8 on GamePass? Because that sounds like more completely fabricated console warrior BS to me.

Are we just going to pretend any major release that isn't on GamePass is Sony's doing?
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Theres a whole thread about it that you have repeatedly posted in.

Perhaps more people would appreciate your input there.
 
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