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[Old fart posting] Millennials, Zoomers why are so many of you in love with their “depression”?

Davey Cakes

Member
I actually have chronic depression, so I don't really appreciate the broad strokes. Some of us have real reasons to feel low, usually related to actual depressing aspects of our real lives.

That said, the ones who use it for attention on the internet are potentially making light of the seriousness of mental health. At a point you're not going to be able to tell who's faking it for clicks.
 

Peggies

Gold Member
It is not like there are only people getting used and fired as soon as they are too expensive.
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And what's that shit about "demanding open borders"?

I'm neither Millanial nor a Zoomer but you're projecting and generalizing. That's nonsense.
 

Dr. Suchong

Member
I think it also has something to do with social media. They see all these people "living" their best life, posting pictures of them partying, making money, etc. So it makes you feel like you're worthless and it keeps you wishing you had a different lifestyle, so the depression kicks in. Back in the day you didn't have this view of everyone's life and you focused more on yours, so I think that plays a big role.
Agreed.
Social media just made me jealous, bitter, resentful and generally miserable. I hated a lot of people on there, and hated myself even more for being that person.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Critical theory makes it all about intersectionnality and how you win the oppression olympics while at the same time blaming the others on your problems. No wonder depression is de facto standard. Teachers and psychologists are putting these crazy rules based on marxism, which were basically created to destroy society. So society is fucked and I don't know how it will get better.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I suffered with depression when I was 13-16.
I never advertised it and to be honest if you are truly depressed, you don't advertise it or seek attention, you kinda wanna be left alone
but I pulled through and came out looking at the world in a different lens.
So why was I unhappy and everyone else seems so happy around me.
Well the answer was I was just aware of my shitty place in the universe and hated it
But was it really that bad? No not really.
and the people around me was no better and in most cases worse, they was just too stupid to see it.
But is anybody truely happy all their life?
I don't think they are, not truly...
You have moments and then they're gone.
The bad will likely outweigh the good and sometimes if you're lucky the good will outweigh the bad
But that's life.
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
I don't really blame individuals. There are many large scale trends we could attribute to increased depression / perception of increased depression.
  • COVID lockdown, financial hardship, social isolation
  • Social media increasing anxiety about personal identity in comparison to others who appear "perfect." Especially damaging during identity formative years when you're a teenager I'm guessing.
  • Social media increasing exposure to individual people's thoughts when they were probably just unknown before broad online interactions
  • Anonymous online posting lets people express themselves without inhibition, may exaggerate their feelings
  • Technology / less physical activity, more obesity across the board. Those objectively increase depression.
  • Online homogenization of culture. When I was a teenager, in junior high I was all about vampires and dorky goth shit. Then I was a punk. Then I was into metal stuff. In my school we had multiple groups, such as goth kids, punk kids, jock kids, metal kids, nerds, etc. There's really not much left in the way of subcultures since now all culture is shared. Memes are the expression of everyone being in on the "in-joke," - globally. When I didn't know who I was as a kid, I literally tried on different identities for a couple years with different phases until I settled on who I am, and that's extremely normal. Kids these days really have nothing left to express their individuality or any kind of counter-culture sentiment aside from declaring some new gender identity or exaggerating victimhood to help them express themselves as they grow up. It honestly feels predictable and makes me feel slightly bad for them compared to the time I grew up.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Same reason I cut my arm with a Stanley knife when I was a teenage death metal fan.

Kids are massive, insecure wankers trying to find something interesting to cling on to while they transition from massive, insecure wanker kids, into slightly less insecure adults.

We just have to see more of this generation’s collection of wankers due to social media.

It’s all about insecurity. The banal kind. That word sums up modern western culture more than anything else.
 
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My 17 yr old daughter is a self-cutter. Has done it probably 30 times on her arms and thighs. Then posts pics of them online.

Diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. On meds. Can turn emotions on a dime. 0-100 in minutes.

In and out of mental hospitals, changes therapists like she changes pants. Trying to quit private school but we keep encouraging her not to. Just a big mess.
 

BigBooper

Member
Wanting attention and all that is part of it. Also though, it's just easier to be sad than it is to be happy. Bad things happen to everyone, a lot, until you die. Good things happen too, but just around the corner another bad thing lurks. I think you have to actively choose to live a happy life. If you just wallow in misery though, you always have an excuse for anything that goes wrong.
 

GeorgPrime

Banned
This maybe will sound ignorant, but why are so many people telling the whole world that they are depressed. Everybody is sad sometimes, but so many "younger" people are almost celebrating their “crippling depression” and have to remind the whole world about it.

This is not the first generation to face challenges after WW2. There were so many things going on in the past and while people are safer, wealthier, and more secure than any generation before. People are only celebrating how hard it is. Even the pandemic is not the first bad thing that happened. I remember the time when I had to spend almost a year in fear if we did not get too much radiation because of Chernobyl. Had to stay inside during the summer, farmers were destroying their products and people were afraid. We worried about the ozone layer as well as other things and I was born during the cold war. We all had our challenges and problems.

I don’t say everything is great, but sometimes you really have to face your problems. Self-diagnosing depression may get you a lot of fake internet points and fake internet friends, but it will not help you in any way. Why are people so in love be their victim status, if it is not wealth, race, or gender it is mental health or anything else. And why are people demanding to be treated special because of it? There are rooms in colleges now, where you can hug pillows or stuffed animals if you don’t feel well or you can bring your emotional support animal to school. This is stuff Toddlers are doing, when do you grow up, when not during your college time? These were the best years of my life, I went to foreign countries, stayed two years in Japan, and did a lot of stupid and crazy things. If you are too afraid you are missing all of this.

Being Millenial (born in 1984) myself was kinda the best thing that could happen to me. Growing up with Commodore, Atari, NES, SNES, the golden AGe of Point and Click, the greatest year ins music,literally going to cinema several times week, going into holidays with family several times a year, the fall of the berlin wall around the corner after world war 2 and other historical stuff, playing whole day outside without smartphones, getting dirty every day...... but sometime around 2000 it all went to shit and every year was worse than the last year. Most Millenials now born around 2000 or just growing up after 2000 are just useless crazy dipshits. Most of them doesnt even know how the world works to begin with.

People are way to fucking afraid of everything nowadays but the world is kinda overexposed to all the shit happening around the world thanks to Internet. Have the feeling we have a huge mental illnes within modern society right now that nobody wants to care off or that is still not acknowledged somewhere. On top of that... all those mental ill people are banding together and want to be acknowledged as "normal" nowdays *lol*

And the standard media in TV and radio are just not helping, they are just making it worse with their daily "negative" news.

I get the feeling we just have to wait for the system to crash and burn now until it gets better again.
 
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poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Considering the suicide rates among older men, I'm not sure the 'stoic' thing is working so well either. It's a taboo that needed to be broken, you don't have to announce it to everyone like it's a badge of honor, but of all the diseases you can have the worst one to be forced to hide is major depression (okay maybe communicable diseases like STDs, but you get the point)
The wannabes that turn being sad into self diagnosed depression can fuck off though.
 

Bombolone

Gold Member
Expand that mind and make them head crazies go away.


Like the old slogan, "Drink responsibly" Take your magic mushrooms responsibly.
I have heard that m.mushrooms could be good for the soul. Have been curious about them lately and deciding to order some for a session. At 36, I think I have accumulated a bit of clutter/baggage I need to sort through.
Just waiting for the weather to get a little warmer, so I can chill alone at my local park.
I'm nervous, but also excited to see what I get out of it.
 
Okay boomer, why are you demanding people act a certain way about their feelings while telling the whole world how you feel? I suggest finding a safe space where you won't have to deal with these issues. I understand you've had a harder life than any "millennial/zoomer" but you don't need to be so sensitive about it.

Social media amplifies a lot of shit. Imagine thinking that people trying to gain sympathy for their issues over anyone else's is some radical new change. Hint: people have always been pretty shit and mostly cared about themselves. Now with social media, you can see anyones problems and share your own with the world. You're doing it right now, OP!
He appears to be asking as a way of facing reality as apposed to hiding from it. That's how you learn and understand things that are foreign to you. I don't think finding a safe space (aka: reality distortion bubble) is a good way to deal with the realities of life anymore than offering dismissive insults as a defensive response. You didn't offer any insight into understanding the popularity of negative social exuberance.
 

8bitpill

Member
I have heard that m.mushrooms could be good for the soul. Have been curious about them lately and deciding to order some for a session. At 36, I think I have accumulated a bit of clutter/baggage I need to sort through.
Just waiting for the weather to get a little warmer, so I can chill alone at my local park.
I'm nervous, but also excited to see what I get out of it.
They help. It's been years since I last took them. But it was a good trip, and it definitely mellows you out, puts things into perspective since you dont dwell on any one thing or give much thought into things that don't matter.

I was nervous the first time I took them but it was with my best friend I knew since I was five. I just remember that first trip wondering when it was going to kick in, it kicked in and I just liked realizing how it was effecting my body. We also played Shadow of the Colossus on the PS2 and those graphics along with the hair on the Colossi was a wild thing then.

I'm 37 now with a daughter that is young. Finding time for myself and my wife to do it together hasn't opened up yet. But a weekend that she goes to my in-laws for a sleep over, is most likely when it will happen.

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1 - We live in a culture of Self Actualization. God is dead and you are your own Creator. It is a myth as detached from reality as religion ever was, yet the secular masses have adopted it nontheless. "Live your truth" because there is no objective reality. If you entertain this myth, you will suffer for it.

2 - Moral Relativism = No Values. Notice how nobody is allowed to be classically beautiful anymore? It is offensive to the ugly. We are destroying any and all values in favor of equity, of flattening things out. If nothing is allow to be beautiful, that makes people sad. Yet don't you dare complain about a lack of sexy women or you will be called a sexless freak. How can any hetero man flourish in such a scenario?

3 - Idolization of Suffering - During the medieval plague there were travelling bands of evangelical extremists who would put on virtue plays and whip themselves to show their dedication to suffering. Now, we have the cult of the black victim. Say Their Names. BLM. Look at how much they hurt, look at their martyrdom. You cannot stop thinking about people being killed on the street, it is demanded of everyone. They show real life murders on daytime tv. Wonder why everyone is depressed?

4 - Alienation - Solitary confinement is considered torture by international law, this is because humans need one another, for mental and physical health. We have governments ordering people to stay inside of their houses for over a year now. The lockdowns alone are cause enough for a global depression.
 
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lefty1117

Gold Member
I think like a lot of things it started out as something innocent, which was to encourage people to talk about their issues so as not to feel isolated or cut off from the world and from help. And it sort of over-grew into somewhat of an excuse for behavior without attempting to do anything about it. Human nature. On a macro level it will snap back at some point, these things tend to run in cycles. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 

nush

Member
Also, people wanted to work 40+ years at the same company in the past. I work at a place where we pay very well, so you would expect people to stay. But the Millenial and Zoomer generation often switches jobs after 3-5 years, because they want something different.

You have to job hop these days to earn more money or get a promotion. So the company you work for might be paying well, but you can take that to the next job and get payed more.

I've done it, left a job in one year for a 50% rise, then the following year I left that job for a further 30% rise based on the salary of the previous company. Job one would have NEVER got close to that 50% first rise if I'd stayed there even ten years ( Plus the fact that company no longer exists anyway). I would love to have one job with regular pay rises and a career progression path but I never found one.
 

QSD

Member
I have heard that m.mushrooms could be good for the soul. Have been curious about them lately and deciding to order some for a session. At 36, I think I have accumulated a bit of clutter/baggage I need to sort through.
Just waiting for the weather to get a little warmer, so I can chill alone at my local park.
I'm nervous, but also excited to see what I get out of it.
Shrooms are the only drug I've taken that I can recommend 100% in good conscience. I would recommend you find a sitter/co-pilot, it can be quite a lot to take in solo.
 

Outlier

Member
Mentally unbalanced people don't like being judged for their actions, so they use the environment around as the source of their internet woes, in hopes the others will pity them.

I gotta tell you, depression is NOT fun and inviting company to your misery party tends to make things worse. Misery finds ways to pull others in.

I've been there and it was all my fault for not taking my actions or lack there of into account when wanting things to get better. But then I made paths for improvements.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm 29.


I just feel old as fuck. I see the kids these days and I feel more in common with Grandpa Simpson than I do Bart.



I have caught the old.....
You will know you are old when you gotta piss in the middle of the night...EVERY night and it takes a good 20 minutes of limbering up each morning before you can bend over and tie your shoes. Till then enjoy your youth!
 
There is pleasure in pain, a communal aspect in misery.

I'm afraid that there is no stopping the train that takes me to 'there' and doing 'that', I didn't buy a ticket for this ride, and I don't want to talk about it.
My #1 reason for why the criminalization of birth needs to be ratified by the world's powers.

Mandatory abortions for all!
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
You will know you are old when you gotta piss in the middle of the night...EVERY night and it takes a good 20 minutes of limbering up each morning before you can bend over and tie your shoes. Till then enjoy your youth!
The limbering up thing I actually do get because I have had two knee surgeries and one back surgery thanks to a very bad car wreck I had when I was a teenager.


I always joke that I know that it's going to rain before the weatherman does because of all the metal in my body.
 
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A lot of people are genuinely ungrateful for their relatively easy lives, and make no effort to grow or improve themselves or their situation, thus they take solace and wallow in their wretched self-pity.
 

QSD

Member
I don't really blame individuals. There are many large scale trends we could attribute to increased depression / perception of increased depression.
  • COVID lockdown, financial hardship, social isolation
  • Social media increasing anxiety about personal identity in comparison to others who appear "perfect." Especially damaging during identity formative years when you're a teenager I'm guessing.
  • Social media increasing exposure to individual people's thoughts when they were probably just unknown before broad online interactions
  • Anonymous online posting lets people express themselves without inhibition, may exaggerate their feelings
  • Technology / less physical activity, more obesity across the board. Those objectively increase depression.
  • Online homogenization of culture. When I was a teenager, in junior high I was all about vampires and dorky goth shit. Then I was a punk. Then I was into metal stuff. In my school we had multiple groups, such as goth kids, punk kids, jock kids, metal kids, nerds, etc. There's really not much left in the way of subcultures since now all culture is shared. Memes are the expression of everyone being in on the "in-joke," - globally. When I didn't know who I was as a kid, I literally tried on different identities for a couple years with different phases until I settled on who I am, and that's extremely normal. Kids these days really have nothing left to express their individuality or any kind of counter-culture sentiment aside from declaring some new gender identity or exaggerating victimhood to help them express themselves as they grow up. It honestly feels predictable and makes me feel slightly bad for them compared to the time I grew up.
QFT, there really are a shitload of factors that conspire to make people miserable these days.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Self absorbed social media losers who can't stand other people blowing past them in life.

Maybe if you put more effort into school or getting a decent job instead of getting clicks on Twitter and Instagram followers, you'd score something great and then with the cash you build up your life and assets like the normal course of life. Not too many people will be ultra millionaires, but you don't need to be that rich to live a nice comfortable life in a decent part of town.

It's like a lot of young people have this all or nothing attitude of "It's awesome and having a great time in life" or "I'm a fuck up and hate life".

Well, your choice. Be miserable staring at other people's lives, or live your own life and do your own thing.

One tip I always told the summer interns and coop students who work at the companies I've been at is that you're lucky that the school helped you get a job here by partnering, but asap get up a Linkedin account and start adding people here you know. Build up a profile. Doesn't matter if your new job is a summer student and your past jobs are McDonalds.

Get up a good pic and profile and recruiters and companies looking for new grads will find you. Dont worry about comparing experience to vets like me. I'm in a different stage of life and career. Your goal is to get the word out so when you graduate in a year you got a profile going already. I've got 400 connections, which 50 are probably recruiters. I dont need any more people on my watch list. But you do.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
You will know you are old when you gotta piss in the middle of the night...EVERY night and it takes a good 20 minutes of limbering up each morning before you can bend over and tie your shoes. Till then enjoy your youth!
Hahaha. So true. I'm in my 40s and this started maybe 3 years ago. Getting in and out of car seat is more of a hassle too.

I thought this kind of shit would be more of a 55 year old or older thing. lol
 
Some people think it makes them cool, deep, interesting, misunderstood, etc. They want attention and sympathy.

I’ve suffered from depression/anxiety for the last 10+ years of my life. It has ruined my life at times. To this day I still struggle with it. Let me tell you it’s not something to boast about or show off. I fucking hate it and wish it would fuck off.

Who the fuck would want a disease where you suffer every day. Where you want to do so many things but all you can do is just lie in bed. You literally don’t have the energy to get up to go read a book. To watch a movie. To play a game. To go to the shops for food. To go for a shower. To get dressed. To go out a short walk. To meet friends.

And all you think about is killing yourself because somehow that feels like the only option to get out of it. It’s not that you want to die but someone in a burning building doesn’t want to jump out a window. It’s either the flames or death.

It doesn’t sound fun does it? Try living with that and you won’t be so quick to let everyone know about it. It’s not a badge to wear to show off. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. It’s not something you should want.
 

tsumake

Member
Some points on Millenials:

- raised by Boomers

- a lot of us were raised in daycare centers : the primary socialization was with other children thus no patterning from adults, which explains the constant naive and childish attitude

- “you can be whatever you want to be”

- people like to blame the “self-esteem” movement but I think of it in part of the “everyone gets a trophy” sentiment drilled into the generation. We were sheltered from the basic aspects of life for far too long

- the seeds of political correctness and other neomarxist ideology were also drilled into the generation, as with previous generations

Millenials are smart and can be quite creative and entrepreneurial. But their emotional intelligence is generally on par with children. They are extremely narcissistic and really don’t give a shit about other people. Being “political” is a way to belong to something, even ‘feel’ something.

If you a narcissist, it’s not hard to feel like a victim. After all, everyone ELSE is the problem, not you.
 
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Illo

Member
People aren't in love with their depression. But making jokes of their own situation can be a means to cope or find comfort in their current state of affairs.

There are so many reasons to be depressed and find yourself stuck and without the access or ability to take the necessaey steps to recovery.

These problems always exist in every generation, but the creation of the internet has made it easier to talk, identify and make known these problems. This isn't anything new, but the means we tackle the issue and the more abundance of means to cope have grown as the problem became more known.

Just because you may or may not have depression doesn't mean you should criticize the means other people should cope. A lot of people can't face their problems head on, because for most people they can't exactly identify what the problem is. Or they simply can't improve their livelihoods or scenarios on their own because there are external factors out of their control that's making them depressed.

Depression can be genetic, not strictly stemed from external or personal trauma. But as a mental disease that no amounts of self help or external therapy can necessarily fix. And without the access of medical care or anti depressants some people are left in a cycle or situation they simply can't get themselves out of.

The fact many of these posts are just going "lol kids these days". Or "we had problems too and didn't wallow like this" And "people are just seeking attention". These are just narcissistic view points of people who don't understand, can't relate to other people emotionally, ignoring or unaware these problems and behaviors always existed and may be part of the problem because:
They never shared the same personal experiences.
Their body is able to process trauma and depression much differently then someone else.
They are limited to what they've dealt with and can't acknowledge other people are different.
Have their own undiagnosed problems that keep them from relating or feeling for others and think this is all baloney and made up.

But back to the original topic. People aren't reveling in their own self pity for fake internet points or sympathy. They do it to relate to others who share the same problems as a means to not feel alone and cope. So they can find and connect to people with more experience or someone to have conversations about their illness with. To find a place where they are comfortable talking about their problems and not be stumped with a wall of "It's all on your head and just get out of it". Because that's not helping anyone, and it's just being a prick.
 
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tsumake

Member
Some people think it makes them cool, deep, interesting, misunderstood, etc. They want attention and sympathy.

I’ve suffered from depression/anxiety for the last 10+ years of my life. It has ruined my life at times. To this day I still struggle with it. Let me tell you it’s not something to boast about or show off. I fucking hate it and wish it would fuck off.

Who the fuck would want a disease where you suffer every day. Where you want to do so many things but all you can do is just lie in bed. You literally don’t have the energy to get up to go read a book. To watch a movie. To play a game. To go to the shops for food. To go for a shower. To get dressed. To go out a short walk. To meet friends.

And all you think about is killing yourself because somehow that feels like the only option to get out of it. It’s not that you want to die but someone in a burning building doesn’t want to jump out a window. It’s either the flames or death.

It doesn’t sound fun does it? Try living with that and you won’t be so quick to let everyone know about it. It’s not a badge to wear to show off. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. It’s not something you should want.

Thank you for your honesty. I am sorry, and hope you find a way through. What you go through is so serious that to blithely claim that you are “depressed” when you are not is irresponsible, to say the least. Yet it is such a serious problem that one cannot immediately dismiss someone who claims to be depressed.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
But back to the original topic. People aren't reveling in their own self pity for fake internet points or sympathy. They do it to relate to others who share the same problems as a means to not feel alone and cope. So they can find and connect to people with more experience or someone to have conversations about their illness with. To find a place where they are comfortable talking about their problems and not be stumped with a wall of "It's all on your head and just get out of it". Because that's not helping anyone, and it's just being a prick.
That is fine if the end result is improvement.

But what about people who get worse due to surfing the net? Why do you think politics talk can be so heated now? Due to the net with media and people all gabbing about it. If this was before the net, all people could go on is whatever limited info they got from news shows and daily newspapers.

IMO, I think the net has hurt more people in vulnerable situations than helped. I have no proof of that or anything, but just gut feeling from all the stuff I see on social media.
 

Illo

Member
That is fine if the end result is improvement.

But what about people who get worse due to surfing the net? Why do you think politics talk can be so heated now? Due to the net with media and people all gabbing about it. If this was before the net, all people could go on is whatever limited info they got from news shows and daily newspapers.

IMO, I think the net has hurt more people in vulnerable situations than helped. I have no proof of that or anything, but just gut feeling from all the stuff I see on social media.

"But what about people who get worse due to surfing the net?"
Same came be said about outside the net and finding yourself comparing to other people by looking at their houses, photos of their fabulous vacation and or talk about politics that can make you feel depressed just as much the same social media posts or news outlets can make you feel.
The internet just provides ease of access to that information and pools of discussion that can be toxic and harmful to someone's recovery as much a real life one does.

Having real personal connections over the internet is possible and a viable replacement for people who lack the people and safety social nets to discuss their problems.

The difference between online forums and in person discussions is the way we have time to prepare and communicate our thoughts but with a mask of who we are and lack of or the inability for people to read our mannerisms or emotions when speaking.

"If this was before the net, all people could go on is whatever limited info they got from news shows and daily newspapers."
And people's personal life and how back in the day people were shut off and it was not socially acceptable to talk about these problems because people knew little of them and so they went ignored.

Just because the problem wasn't widely discussed and people chose to ignore the issue doesn't mean it didn't exist.

"IMO, I think the net has hurt more people in vulnerable situations than helped. I have no proof of that or anything, but just gut feeling from all the stuff I see on social media."

I think the net has exposed more people to information, beliefs and opinions that they now have to think of and process much faster. But to say the net is worse for mankind then it has helped is definitely an opinion. I don't think there could ever be an accurate study or opinion piece that says the internet has done more good or harm.

But the net is just information we feed into it. To think of the world without the net, people are left more clueless to the complicated problems that exist. Ignorance isn't bliss if your the one suffering already, it's only blissful to the people who aren't suffering.

No one is reveling in their disease for some imaginary glamor. And the belief that people are hoping aboard and lying about having depression for attention, monetary gain and popularity needs to stop.
It exists, it always has. The internet just made it more exposed. It may or may not have made people feel more depressed, but so would the real world. But we now have readily access to platforms to talk about it and here we are.
 
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