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What’s the deal with the lack of Next Gen Games?
- Thread starter MatrixReloaded101
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Reality Czar
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Worldwide pandemic iirc.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Man, OP is probably freaking out to only now be hearing of this global pandemic. Years in a coma and he comes to GAF first? Legend.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I think what the OP is saying is that the games that have been released so far on consoles have been lackluster as far as graphics go. And he's right. Many of these games may have had last gen targets and staff simply isn't going to rebuild assets for higher quality when they need to get the game shipped out.
I will agree though that we should see something looking remotely better than what's been coming out this year. We shouldn't have to wait until 2022-2023 in order to see some good stuff.
I will agree though that we should see something looking remotely better than what's been coming out this year. We shouldn't have to wait until 2022-2023 in order to see some good stuff.
MiguelItUp
Member
I think it does, but also doesn't. There are a lot of variables.
Cross-gen games are an easy go-to for a lot of developers and publishers. Also, with the cost of development sky rocketing as years go on, it makes more sense for them to try to hit as many avenues as possible. Not to mention the next-gen availability issue was something the majority was assuming would happen regardless of COVID, so adding the availability of games + cross-gen upgrades felt like a nice branch to extend.
Game development is moving forward, but COVID threw multiple curve balls in the entire industry. Some studios that THRIVED on internal and close communication were suddenly forced to work externally and distanced. Or in ways that they're not used to. Sure, some can and could manage pretty well. But others surely struggled.
I think it's important to approach the rest of the year with an open mind and no expectations. Don't want to disappoint yourself.
Krappadizzle
Member
It's been like this since the PS2/Xbox/GC generation and up. First 2ish years after a new console releases until we see games that start taking advantage of the newer hardware. All multi/cross platform games until then. It'll be ok. Games will still be fun.
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Were you not around during previous games, or do you just have very selective memory?
the answer is pretty simple. games take time to develop, and a ton of the games released now were started long before the devs got dev kits.
Sakura
Member
The power gap between last gen and this gen is relatively small. There are only a few million PS5 owners compared to 100 million PS4 owners. It is much easier and makes a lot more sense for devs to just release cross-gen games until the PS5 install base grows more. 3rd party devs don't really have any incentive to "cut the cord". If they sell a copy of a game, why would they care if it is on PS4 or PS5? A sale is a sale.
Typically, it is on the console manufacturer to provide the next gen experiences to encourage users to move over, which admittedly they haven't really been doing. At the same time though, systems are selling out because of low supply, so they don't really have an incentive to encourage gamers to transition either. Not yet at least.
Typically, it is on the console manufacturer to provide the next gen experiences to encourage users to move over, which admittedly they haven't really been doing. At the same time though, systems are selling out because of low supply, so they don't really have an incentive to encourage gamers to transition either. Not yet at least.
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Allnamestakenlol
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I just meant that it is a likely, and well-accepted excuse. For current gen, I think there are a lot more expectations from consumers, and what dev wouldn't jump at the chance to further improve/polish their game if given the chance?
MatrixReloaded101
Member
^So because something sucked before, it should continue to suck going forward?
Sony and MS should have learned from those launches. They could have delayed the PS5/Series X a year or two until they had more native games for each console. But these consoles have still sold out so I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
Its just frustrating because at this point all we are getting from these new consoles is slightly upgraded PS4 and Xbox one games which does not make sense because then why did they waste time releasing these consoles now in the first place. When E3/summer games happens this summer, I will be very curious to see how many big games will be cross gen.
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Iced Arcade
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People have expectations in line with previous-gen jumps. we will get improvements but we are not getting a PS2/XBOX to PS3/360 level jump.
abel empire
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Its more expensive to make games this days so they need the dollars to make money
ZoukGalaxy
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Time ? COVID ? Money ?
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Tqaulity
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COVID obvious has played a role here but there is something many people aren't realizing. The jump with this gen is much bigger than it was for PS4/XB1 and possibly even the PS3/Xbox360. For one, making a state of the art game in 2021 is much more complex and EXPENSIVE than it was in either 2013 or 2006. Second, the advances in IO and SSD are FUNDAMENTAL paradigm shifts in how game designers, artists, and programmers can approach making a game. It means that the learning curve is fairly steep and that "true" next gen games have to be built from the ground up to take advantage of this tech. It will therefore take longer into the generation before we start to see that potential realized. This first year titles won't do it including the first party games like Horizon FW and God of War: Ragnorok (both of which were deep in development before a PS5 dev kit even existed). The first real wave of "true" next gen games are mostly unannounced titles coming in 2022/2023 so it will be a while longer before we see content on par with UE5 demo (for example).
Imru’ al-Qays
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Backwards compatibility. It's silly to develop a next-gen only game until next-gen console penetration is high enough to warrant it.
II_JumPeR_I
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Agree. Im still baffled that there werent any Series Consoles only made games at launch.
Betting all their horses on the incompetent 343 Studio was a mistake, a big one.
Astral Dog
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I think there is more than one reason.
A) games cost much more to make, we aren't in the PS2 days anymore when all companies released games with giant jumps on graphics the first 6 months of a new system release, the realities of game development today are very different, from marketing to cost to time and risk, thus cross gen development is expected the first year or so, and thats fair imo, even making Xbox ONE S graphics is insanely expensive so they may as well release games on all console possible, they still look pretty good.
B) the COVID pandemic is unprecedented not only for the game industry but all over the world, developers are going through the process of adapting, but the impact of covid will be felt for years to come,expect even many delays, the systems were ready, but the games will take longer, yeah some developers got used more quickly than others but all were affected in many ways they aren't telling to not worry gamers.
C) in the case of Microsoft, GamePass itself is a selling point, yeah right now they don't have system sellers for the X that will take time, they are just buying companies last year and HALO Infinite was a mess.
And probably way more reasons this gen is starting a little slower but even LAST one wasn't too different, the games will come just have patience and enjoy the 60/4k/120 modes
You would've simply bitched about a delay too.
Umbasaborne
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Its likely a combination of things. Covid slowed progress to a hault for many of the games that were set to really show off the power of these systems this year. Even ratchet and clank, which was somewhat far a long got a stealth delay from launch window to june. Add to that that there arent a ton of next gen consoles out in the public right now and they can run ps4 and xbox one games. Backwards compatibility means its a safer bet to make a ps4 game that you know will sell really well, then maybe down the line patch it to unlock the frame rate or raise the resolutions, than to put out a game that only runs on these impossible to find consolesp
Umbasaborne
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I agree that its frustrating as someone who owns a ps5 and series x, but they are right, the first year of any console launch is typically somewhat barren. Ps2 and switch are outliers in this regard
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Umbasaborne
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I do agree that its baffling that microsoft had NO new games ready for their new console launch. They have all these studios and no one else besides 343 was making any launch games?
Krappadizzle
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Welcome to the last 12 years of PC gaming. Come on in, the waters nice.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Last gen to this gen is the biggest BC transition ever. So game companies are skewing to updating existing games with boosts as their way of promoting next gen features.
Lots of games have got PS5/Series X boosts and updates.
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
This is always Microsoft's problem: in order to justify the Xbox division to the higher ups Xbox management have to spin a lot of corporate bullshit about new market paradigms and such and they wind up believing their own nonsense. A significant chunk of Xbox management probably actually believed that console generations were dead, you don't need exclusives, games as a service, blah blah blah. Just like they believed in TVTVTV and no used games back in 2013.
namekuseijin
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you mean more pixels, more polygons and more rays for the same ancient crappy button-mashing games? Yeah, where's that?
because true nextgen gaming has been here for the past 5 years and you've been missing it...
because true nextgen gaming has been here for the past 5 years and you've been missing it...
Tiamat2san
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It’s not like it the same thing every fucking generation...
Plus there’s a little thing trending worldwide called covid.
Plus there’s a little thing trending worldwide called covid.
MatrixReloaded101
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I purchased a Oculus Quest 2 yesterday ....
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MrSarcastic
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I was wondering the same. What the hell is going on?
Krappadizzle
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I plan on getting my Momma a Quest 2 for her birthday. She came over to my house and played Beat Saber on my Vive and became addicted. VR is the future, not everyone gets that yet.
SafeOrAlone
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Last gen was even worse, but it's not "always like this". It's not a good look to get all your hardcore fans on-board at launch and give them nothing to celebrate.
Thank goodness that backwards compatibility is getting so much love.
Thank goodness that backwards compatibility is getting so much love.
Not entirely true, the games that you're seeing now started development years ago and were already in midst of production, as you're well aware since you just mentioned it. A game scheduled to come out now, started life in 2016 or even earlier, when did ps4 come out again? The games that are in pre-pro now, or have recently entered production are the ones that will look great. I currently work for the big B that got acquired by the big M, all the games currently in development were for ps4, Xbo, etc. The ones in pre-pro are the ones looking to take advantage of the new systems and it's similar across the industry.
Umbasaborne
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Its a bummer because i love the series x so far, i use it more than my ps5, its a great, ultra powerful, quiet af console. But there is nothing out yet that really puts its power to use. Ps5 has demons souls and spiderman, microsoft has nothing like that yet, in fact halo will probably be the only big NEW series x/s game they put out this year, and that shit should have been out last year
Dream-Knife
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Because the older consoles can still play the games but at a lower frame rate?
This generation the jump is comparatively less than previous ones. If the old console can still run the same games, but at a lower frame rate or resolution, then why not?
Keep in mind the more graphically intense a game is, the longer it will take to make.
Death Stranding, Ghosts of Tsushima, MW2019, and TLOU2 are basically those next gen games. They look blurry and soft on the "pro" systems because the resolution and textures had to be toned down (and the game is basically running at low/medium). Next gen consoles will let you play those games at high or maybe ultra. Just might have to pay $70 for those option menus.
This generation the jump is comparatively less than previous ones. If the old console can still run the same games, but at a lower frame rate or resolution, then why not?
Keep in mind the more graphically intense a game is, the longer it will take to make.
Death Stranding, Ghosts of Tsushima, MW2019, and TLOU2 are basically those next gen games. They look blurry and soft on the "pro" systems because the resolution and textures had to be toned down (and the game is basically running at low/medium). Next gen consoles will let you play those games at high or maybe ultra. Just might have to pay $70 for those option menus.
Dad_Of_Chicken
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balls of snow
Member
Budget. AAA games are too big to fail now so you need to put it on last gen for the install base. Notice how rockstar only puts out NEW games mid to late into the gen.
ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
I don't know why people are saying 'Covid'
Things were slowing down way before I noticed it in 2018
Sony had two E3's in a row with the same games
Next gen should have started in late 2019 when it didn't I was like "so its just gonna be a dead year with nothing?" thinking of 2020....before we knew what 2020 was gonna be
The AAA game model is broken Covid pushed back 2021 to 2022
2020 was already fucked up before covid
Things were slowing down way before I noticed it in 2018
Sony had two E3's in a row with the same games
Next gen should have started in late 2019 when it didn't I was like "so its just gonna be a dead year with nothing?" thinking of 2020....before we knew what 2020 was gonna be
The AAA game model is broken Covid pushed back 2021 to 2022
2020 was already fucked up before covid
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Jaxcellent
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You know, gaming was just more exciting in the past, for example:
Dreamcast launched, alot of next gen games available right out of the gate, so awesome seeing these crazy new graphics and gameplay experiences not possible on previous gen hardware.
PS5 launches, if you can find a console to buy, only cool new game is Demon Sould Remake great graphics sure, but kinda like the same old gameplay...and lets be honest, with some extra work and some downscaling and a bit less shiny gfx, it could probably run on a 4Pro.
Even months after launch, i have a hard time spotting the differences between RE8 on the 4Pro and the PS5.. especially on small screen.
We old guys are lucky to have experienced this constant sense of amazement at the start of every gen.It was pretty special in retrospect.
Dreamcast launched, alot of next gen games available right out of the gate, so awesome seeing these crazy new graphics and gameplay experiences not possible on previous gen hardware.
PS5 launches, if you can find a console to buy, only cool new game is Demon Sould Remake great graphics sure, but kinda like the same old gameplay...and lets be honest, with some extra work and some downscaling and a bit less shiny gfx, it could probably run on a 4Pro.
Even months after launch, i have a hard time spotting the differences between RE8 on the 4Pro and the PS5.. especially on small screen.
We old guys are lucky to have experienced this constant sense of amazement at the start of every gen.It was pretty special in retrospect.
Dr Kaneda
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These are the games that released in NA on PS4 from it's release till September, the bolded games are what released as next gen only titles
So that's only 5 next gen only titles in the 1st ~10 months of the previous gen.
This gen only PS5 you'll already 6 next gen exclusives during that time frame, 7 if we add a 2 weeks and include Deathloop. During a pandemic as well.
The amount of times this forum can be insanely brain dead never ceases to amaze me.
| Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition |
| Angry Birds Star Wars |
| Battlefield 4 |
| Call of Duty: Ghosts |
| Contrast |
| FIFA 14 |
| Flower |
| Forced |
| Just Dance 2014 |
| Killzone Shadow Fall |
| Knack |
| Lego Marvel Super Heroes |
| Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag |
| Escape Plan |
| Doki-Doki Universe |
| Flow |
| Don't Starve |
| King Oddball |
| Lego Movie Videogame |
| Basement Crawl |
| Awesomenauts Assemble |
| Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition |
| Infamous Second Son |
| Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends Complete Edition |
| Fez |
| Lego The Hobbit |
| Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn |
| Backgammon Blitz |
| Cel Damage HD |
| The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |
| Child of Light |
| Daylight |
| Bound by Flame |
| Jet Car Stunts |
| 1001 Spikes |
| Entwined |
| EA Sports UFC |
| Blue Estate |
| Another World: 20th Anniversary Edition |
| Guacamelee! Super Turbo Championship Edition |
| The Last of Us Remastered |
| Hohokum |
| CounterSpy |
| Diablo III |
| Hotline Miami |
| The Last Tinker: City of Colors |
| The Golf Club |
| Destiny |
So that's only 5 next gen only titles in the 1st ~10 months of the previous gen.
This gen only PS5 you'll already 6 next gen exclusives during that time frame, 7 if we add a 2 weeks and include Deathloop. During a pandemic as well.
The amount of times this forum can be insanely brain dead never ceases to amaze me.
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Elder Legend
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This is nothing new. I don't get why people always questions this. It's all about money and install base and covid is not helping. When Xbox one and ps4 launched, we had cross gen titles until early 2015. Deal with it.
Woopah
Member
Companies are going to do this calculation:
(predicted sales generated from PS4/XB1 versions of the game) - (porting costs of games to those platforms)
If you get a positive number at the end of that, going cross-gen is a good idea.
And the best game in that first year was cross-gen
UniformDeliverance
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I feel like we are getting next gen updates for games fairly regularly. This didn't happen in previous generations, at least not so wide spread and certainly not for free.
Just this week we saw FF14 upgraded for PS5 and Warframe on Xbox updated.
I mean I get what you mean, you want new next gen games, but I feel like there's been a steady and consistent stream of next gen game updates coming out that are simply transformative to the experience. So it feels like there is a a good amount of PS5 and Xbox Series X games out right now, certainty much more than I am used to seeing at this stage of a console generation.
Heck even the backwards compatible games are running well enough to justify replaying. Go check out Sekiro or Monster hunter world on next gen. They actually run well now. It's incredible.
Personally on my Series X I have no shortage of next gen content to play at the moment.
Just this week we saw FF14 upgraded for PS5 and Warframe on Xbox updated.
I mean I get what you mean, you want new next gen games, but I feel like there's been a steady and consistent stream of next gen game updates coming out that are simply transformative to the experience. So it feels like there is a a good amount of PS5 and Xbox Series X games out right now, certainty much more than I am used to seeing at this stage of a console generation.
Heck even the backwards compatible games are running well enough to justify replaying. Go check out Sekiro or Monster hunter world on next gen. They actually run well now. It's incredible.
Personally on my Series X I have no shortage of next gen content to play at the moment.
VFXVeteran
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Can you name the 6 next-gen exclusives on PS5? And how many Xbox exclusives has been released or will be this year?
