Hypereides
Member
Wow, now that's some shit. Although it has been stated that most PS3 games can run fine without patches, certain games require them for trophies.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You do know you compare sonys shitty digital structure up against rest of the industry?
Just because Sony doesn't give a shit about your previous purchases doesn't mean you can say the digital future is like that. You can still buy old xbox games from the original on xbox live, and on pc you can digitally buy games from the dawn of time.
Sony should step up their digital game instead of blaming the whole industry for the basic things Sony can't get right.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
if you ask me, i personally would not play a game without any patches, even it runs well lol
Hypereides
Member
At this point I hope some fans will come together and develop a custom CDN for PS3. Sony's intent to maintain it really seems unreliable at this point.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Very good system for the time and it’s nice to see the PS3 is having another moment in the sun.
LazyParrot
Member
Why this stuff in particular? Do the countless other times they've fucked up over the past two generations not count or something?
Derktron
Banned
Here we go with the assumptions. I'm not going to answer that. NO COMMENT, NEXT QUESTION. YOU OVER THERE, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For the games affected, is Sony still selling them on their digital store? That would be even worse. Imagine buying a game from PSN, there's no latest patch that goes with it, so the game wont work.
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LazyParrot
Member
I'm just saying, Sony have been messing up at a pretty constant rate since the launch of the PS3. If there are people who still think Sony is, as you claim, the "godsend of the gaming industry" after all of that, then this won't convince them either.
Dr.Morris79
Member
modiz
Member
Try to play GT6 with its what, a dozen patches?
can't wait to play day 1 GT5
scoobidoo112
Member
I updated my entire PS3 library like a week before they announced the upcoming shutdown. Had to clear my 360 cache to unfuck Undead Nightmare (headless glitch) and download all the patches again, decided to check all my PS3 games for updates as well. Glad I did. As for the future of PS3, seems like homebrew is the only viable solution going forward, Sony's made it clear they do not care about long time support for paying customers.
Glad I never spent any money on PSN / XBL purchases, I've had this scenario in the back of my mind ever since DLC became a thing (and DLC for the OG Xbox disappeared forever). Although I will be investing some money on external SSD's to back up my Steam, Origin, Uplay and Epic libraries, I just don't have faith in any of these companies not to screw me over in the long run.
Glad I never spent any money on PSN / XBL purchases, I've had this scenario in the back of my mind ever since DLC became a thing (and DLC for the OG Xbox disappeared forever). Although I will be investing some money on external SSD's to back up my Steam, Origin, Uplay and Epic libraries, I just don't have faith in any of these companies not to screw me over in the long run.
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The Pleasure
Member
Your trial of winrar has expired. Would you like to register? Registration gives you more hdd space and optimizes your ram for peak performance.
michaelius
Banned
Aren't psn version updated ?
Not sure if that worked that way in ps3 era - but currently you download up to date versions
I'm not sure what's your point - no one sane uses winrar anymore
Blond
Banned
This is the future they wanted after all
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
After the PS3 online is shut down completely, people that bought their games digitally better hope their console doesn't crap out on them cause then they're games are gone forever.
Trogdor1123
Member
No patches is utterly silly. This has to be an error they will be fixing.
ManaByte
Member
Nemesisuuu
Member
Naked Lunch
Member
If you have Hot Shots Golf Out of Bounds on disc (like I did do) - you cannot patch the game anymore - meaning you cannot access the DLC courses or characters , which were never released on disc.
GG Sony.
This shit is beyond unacceptable.
GG Sony.
This shit is beyond unacceptable.
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Trogdor1123
Member
That is, has anyone called them on this shit publicly?
ManaByte
Member
I don't know many sites that would jeopardize their access to PS5 review copies just to call Sony out for killing off PS3 games.
Alright
Banned
and yet, knowing this, we still buy digital DLC, pay for gamepass, use xcloud and PSN now for streaming games, invest (little) in to Stadia.
Face it people, the hardcore gamers were abandoned a decade ago, now we're seeing the casual gamers abandoned for mobile gamers.
Not to pick on Microsoft but Phil Spencer said there were 3 billion gamers. Yet there are only, at best, 1 billion PCs and consoles.
And when the mobile gamers come to console en masse, a gaming platform like the Wii will happen, open the door for Google/Amazon/Facebook and it'll be Halo of Duty : Candy Crush origins day one edition
Face it people, the hardcore gamers were abandoned a decade ago, now we're seeing the casual gamers abandoned for mobile gamers.
Not to pick on Microsoft but Phil Spencer said there were 3 billion gamers. Yet there are only, at best, 1 billion PCs and consoles.
And when the mobile gamers come to console en masse, a gaming platform like the Wii will happen, open the door for Google/Amazon/Facebook and it'll be Halo of Duty : Candy Crush origins day one edition
Noboru Wataya
Banned
I just installed every disc game and downloaded every digital game I have for the PS3. All games patched fine thankfully I don't have any of these specific versions of specific games. Approx 300GB of data backed up on another PS3 and a HDD. Let's hope this battery issue is not an issue.
The Pleasure
Member
Everytime I hear how great pc is with backwards compatibility. Is it really? I have almost 1000 discs and most will never run on anything past windows 98.
soulbait
Member
All this news makes me happier with my approach with Sony all along: buy physical.
With my Xboxes, I have purchased the majority of my games digitally. Every now and then would buy physical through BOGO sales at Target or whatever, but I have trusted Microsoft's approach to digital from the start. Sony and Nintendo on the other hand? I have mostly purchased physical.
With Sony there are a handful of PSVR games I bought digitally, but all of the big games I have gone physical. Yes, I know if the patches are not downloadable, then the game on the physical disc is broken, but it is still better than nothing. Sony lost a lot of my trust when PSN was hacked and seeing how they made it next to impossible to change your gamertag due to the way they set up their databases. I love Sony's big blockbuster games, but everything else I have always gone on Xbox, even when the Xbox One had the lower resolution and FPS, because I trusted their approach more.
Now this does not mean MS cannot betray that trust in the future, but as of now I still think I can trust them. For those getting burned by Sony's approach on this, I feel for ya.
With my Xboxes, I have purchased the majority of my games digitally. Every now and then would buy physical through BOGO sales at Target or whatever, but I have trusted Microsoft's approach to digital from the start. Sony and Nintendo on the other hand? I have mostly purchased physical.
With Sony there are a handful of PSVR games I bought digitally, but all of the big games I have gone physical. Yes, I know if the patches are not downloadable, then the game on the physical disc is broken, but it is still better than nothing. Sony lost a lot of my trust when PSN was hacked and seeing how they made it next to impossible to change your gamertag due to the way they set up their databases. I love Sony's big blockbuster games, but everything else I have always gone on Xbox, even when the Xbox One had the lower resolution and FPS, because I trusted their approach more.
Now this does not mean MS cannot betray that trust in the future, but as of now I still think I can trust them. For those getting burned by Sony's approach on this, I feel for ya.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
The backlog for people can be huge. I bought Ratchet & Clank Trilogy when it came out. Only played and completed it last year. It's nice to know that I can play my games when it suits me.
LazyParrot
Member
If it's a DOS game, just use DOSBox. If compatibility mode doesn't work for Win 95/98 games, just use an emulator like PCem or set up a VM.
I play 90s and early 2000s games almost exclusively, and it's super rare for me to run into something that I straight-up can't get to work on Windows 10.
pasterpl
Member
Issue seems to be exclusive to Sony, going all digital on Xbox seems less risky
pasterpl
Member
Makes you wonder if this (shutting down digital stores, stopping patches etc.) is the blueprint of what will happen with PS4 games after ps6 is released
The Pleasure
Member
Dosbox doesn't always work. The emulation is never anywhere as good as the original oses running it.
And i still can't get Scarface working on anything past windows xp or Pandora's box on anything past windows 98.
xrnzaaas
Member
They should be two separate things in the first place. What they're doing falls very close to a potential lawsuit, because they're robbing you from accessing the latest version of the game you've purchased without giving you any warnings. It's not about shutting down optional purchases from the store.
Concern
Member
Has to be "that" guy to place blame on the customers rather than call out the actual problem lol
GametimeUK
Member
I used to love Sony's policies and the way they operated. Backwards compatibility, cross buy with Vita, remote play on Vita, the original PS+ subscription, free online etc. It seems the only thing they offer me now is the best of the best exclusive games and nothing more. All the personality is stripped from the service at the moment.
I was a borderline Sony fanboy, but Microsoft have just knocked it out of the park in terms of their service. Mainly it's because of backwards compatibility and the fact original Xbox and 360 games have next gen patches etc. The service is alive. Digital refunds and early access along with Gamepass just make it a great eco system.
Sony is for the exclusives.
Microsoft is for the libray.
I can only agine how much I would love my PS5 if it did all the things the Series X does.
This news is a bit devastating. Games like Uncharted 3 needed patches imo to fix the aiming etc. There's probably better examples. I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. Either you care about preservation or you don't. I fall into the camp that does so this news sucks.
I was a borderline Sony fanboy, but Microsoft have just knocked it out of the park in terms of their service. Mainly it's because of backwards compatibility and the fact original Xbox and 360 games have next gen patches etc. The service is alive. Digital refunds and early access along with Gamepass just make it a great eco system.
Sony is for the exclusives.
Microsoft is for the libray.
I can only agine how much I would love my PS5 if it did all the things the Series X does.
This news is a bit devastating. Games like Uncharted 3 needed patches imo to fix the aiming etc. There's probably better examples. I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. Either you care about preservation or you don't. I fall into the camp that does so this news sucks.
RAIDEN1
Member
It is, check the video I posted on the previous page, the PS4 has the same issue...
JLB
Banned
Digital only is flawless on pc, xbox and tbh pretty much any other platform.
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Shodan09
Unconfirmed Member
I'm not buying digital on Sony hardware again. Apart from PSN only games anyway. Disc based exclusives and all multiplatform games on Xbox.
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A lot of digital fear mongering in here.
There's speculation that this is due to how Sony's servers worked at the time. The patches aren't stored on the PSN for some games, but on the servers for those individual games. When the servers are no longer supported, the patches are no longer available.
I don't know how true that is, but if it is the issue it seems like short-sightedness and, honestly, fairly typical of the PSN around the early PS3 days.
That doesn't mean there's going to be any magical fixes, but it's also safe to assume they're not doing that any longer. PSN is mountains better than it was pre-hack.
There's speculation that this is due to how Sony's servers worked at the time. The patches aren't stored on the PSN for some games, but on the servers for those individual games. When the servers are no longer supported, the patches are no longer available.
I don't know how true that is, but if it is the issue it seems like short-sightedness and, honestly, fairly typical of the PSN around the early PS3 days.
That doesn't mean there's going to be any magical fixes, but it's also safe to assume they're not doing that any longer. PSN is mountains better than it was pre-hack.
trikster40
Member
Saw this thread a while
Back. It’s limited to certain regions and very few games. Most people tried the games and the patches downloaded fine.
Back. It’s limited to certain regions and very few games. Most people tried the games and the patches downloaded fine.
a multicultural team of v
Member
I have a feeling that Sony completely rebuilt PSN for the PS4 (I think they also hinted as such around launch in their financials), and are desperate to ditch everything else. There is probably no feasible, or at least cost effective, way for PS3 to interface with the new PSN structure.
LazyParrot
Member
Now you're just exaggerating. And like I said, if you absolutely have to run them on an old OS, set up a VM. It's not rocket science.
Coincidentally, I played Scarface just last year using this fix: https://cookieplmonster.github.io/2020/03/29/silentpatch-scarface/
As for Pandora's Box, I was able to get it running on Windows 10 in about 5 minutes, and most of that time was spent waiting for the game to download. This patch was all it took: https://download.cnet.com/Pandora-s-Box-Patch/3000-2121_4-10187112.html