you can come back from poor sales but its almost impossible to come back from brain drain and dumb studio closures. Xbox went through this and was on the verge of getting axed, If Phil didn't convince Satya Nadella to invest billions in their gaming revival it would have been over by now. I don't think Sony has the funds to reverse this and even if they did there isn't as much free floating talent out there.
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Jason Schreier: Sony’s Obsession With Blockbusters Is Stirring Unrest Within PlayStation Empire
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rob305
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At this point I really think its cyclical. After the successful PS2 the marketing was awful (arrogant Sony) giving Xbox a chance to rise. Then, after a successful Xbox 360, Sony got their act together again and had that legendary period youre talking about. Xbox had Don Mattrick and TV TV TV. Fast forward a couple of years, Sony is being Sony again after the super successful PS4 and Xbox is slowly but steadily gaining momentum again
Reallink
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No i don't, because that's the difference I was referring to. MS has both an army of B tier studios to fill the voids AND the AAA studios to deliver the annual or bi-annual tentpoles. Meanwhile Sony has killed their A and AA teams, or relegated them to support work.
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{insert code here}
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That PS1 -> PS2 transition apparently was an outlier. As of right now, I've got no interest in a Ps5. I have a backlog of PS3/PS4 games that will last me several years.
Mabdia
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That's Why i'm saving some money to get a GPU in the future. There is no point in getting a console anymore. MS killed all the reasons to get a Xbox, and now Sony is doing the same.
saintjules
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YukiOnna
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It doesn't really surprise me nor does the report say anything outright false about Sony's current direction. Ryan's quotes have always come across as someone with this approach. Doesn't matter if the guy has been at the company for 20/30/40 years, that's not a valid point. You can be at the company and hold different views (which he does). Not to mention Layden, House, Denny are not around anymore and Shuhei is out of the position he was best in. I still think this blockbuster approach is going to bite them back hard at some point whether it's due to fatigue or just production issues, but regardless if that's the path they'll take then I have no interest in buying a PS5.
Also, TLOU Remake is stupid.
Also, TLOU Remake is stupid.
{insert code here}
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Yeah I forgot to mention the 360 went through the same transition. Peter Moore, Jay Allard, Robbie Bach, etc., those dudes were behind the juggernaut that was the 360 and they all got axed I believe around 2009-2010. It took xbox a decade to recover and they are, arguably, still in that recovery phase.
saintjules
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Serious question. What do you say about waiting a long time for a Sony game that you would want to play to hit on PC, if at all? For example, there's still no GOW on PC or even something like Bloodborne. And if you're a fan of those genre of games, do you just say, 'oh well I'll never play them', or would you reconsider the option of going full on PC by getting a Console anyway just for games like that over the course of the generation?
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Adding more to the list:
- Sly Cooper
- Resistance
- Jak & Daxter
- SOCOM
- Gravity Rush
- Twisted Metal
- Warhawk
- ICO/SOTC/Last Guardian
- Motorstorm
- Days Gone
- Death Stranding
- Killzone
- Infamous
- Heavy Rain/Beyond/Detroit
- Bloodborne
VulcanRaven
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The Last of Us doesn't need a remake. Yes it would be cool to see it with TLOU2 graphics but the original has aged well because of the remaster. Sony probably wants to release something around the same time with the HBO series.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Remaking TLOU 1 is a really dumb idea, which is why I question the accuracy of this article
waste of resources for ND
waste of resources for ND
massivekettle
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+ Driveclub.
Let's face it - most of those franchises have long been dead and will likely remain so.
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Reallink
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Those titles long predate their now officially announced and sanctioned PC initiative. We will have to wait and see how new titles get ported, and when. They may or may not all get ported, and they may or may not be on a long exclusivity window. Your examples aren't evidence of either though.
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ZywyPL
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The truth lies in between. I think the "downfall" started back in the PS3 era, when the consoles had been connected to the internet and the whole industry dramatically changed forever, and IMO Sony never fully adapted to it, even to this very day. They did a lot of crazy stuff back in the PS3 times once they were pushed to the wall, they covered broad variety of genres, with multiple IPs within those genres even, and multiple installments of those IPs on top of that, but they have never created anything that stormed the charts or had a solid playerbase, BUT - that's not the players fault, because ironically, there were simply way too many games to play, and people have limited time and money, so as a result each title sold like 2-3MLN of copies, which in Sony's eyes wasn't enough to continue all those amazing franchises. But Sony is still to blame here regardless, because they never supported their games properly once shipped, never capitalized it even if there as a dedicated fanbase of any given franchise, something like DLC basically still doesn't exist in Sony's book while everyone else is already 10 steps ahead, it feels like they're still mentally stuck in the PS2 era where the internet doesn't exist and they rely solely on the sold copies and nothing else. And now they woke up in times where the production costs have skyrocket and they have absolutely no answer to that other than increasing prices, releasing games on PC, and making only the IP's that are guaranteed to sell in at very least 5MLN units. So far the trajectory looks really really weak with what, 5 IPs done over and over until you vomit?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It wasnt ND making it though. it was a support studio that decided hey bluepoint is getting all these big contracts remaking PS exclusives, we should do the same.
Sony thought fine, whats the harm in remaking TLOU with TLOU2 graphics and combat. Quick and dirty port.
Then German Hurst got hired and fucked everything up.
Both of these guys seem clueless to me.
DForce
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People called Jim Ryan out after his BC comments months ago.
The fact of the matter is, people love remasters\remakes and BC on the PS4 (with PS3) wasn't an option. We're seeing it with Mass Effect, Demon Souls, Tony Hawk and Crash Bandicoot. What's rumored is Red Dead Redemption and Metal Gear Solid 1 Remake.
The problem is that The Last of Us 1 remake is not necessary. The PS4 Remakes holds up pretty well and they're just better off offering a 60fps patch for the PS4 Pro version (which ran at 4K 30fps).
James Sawyer Ford
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read my previous post. I question whether it was actually a game
hermen canning it would be the right call. It’s a stupid idea to begin with. We don’t need a remake of a game made that was remastered for ps4
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Jaxcellent
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Ah yes, that Schreier guy again, yeah remastering part 1, dumb ass move, i really don't get it, why would you want to play that or any game over and over again, come up with something new! I doubt they are that disconnected with the user base, but who knows...
megreotsugua
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Jaffe's interview with Mambauer 3 months ago.
What he's saying doesn't line up with Schier's claims.
What he's saying doesn't line up with Schier's claims.
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SlimeGooGoo
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fallingdove
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What does Sony have to reverse?
Reports indicate that the PS5 is outselling Series X/S by almost 2:1 and have heavy hitters in Ratchet and Clank, Horizon, and God of War coming in the next 12 months.
People thinking that anything will be missed with a cancelled Days Gone sequel and the reorganization of Japan Studios are nuts.
Days Gone was a sub-par game with uninspired gameplay, average graphics, clunky controls, cringey dialogue, poor performance, and on and on and on... There was no reason to keep an expensive zombie franchise in the stable when Sony also had TLOU.
We will see what happens with Microsoft but billions in acquisitions and a handful of CGI trailers mean jack shit. You don’t go from finishing 2nd or 3rd every generation to miraculously figuring out the formula for managing complex studios and consistently delivering great games. It is going to be a long while before Microsoft can address their legacy.
Umbasaborne
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Ah, so one that costs money, and of course some sony fans will eat it all up while other devs patch their recent games for free. Watching people bend over backwards to defend spiderman remastered was something else
VulcanRaven
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Remakes after few years have happened before. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes was released just 6 years after the original.
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LordBlodgett
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I just stated in another thread that it feels like Sony is playing to protect their lead, which means taking less risks. From this story:
- Team gets made to Re-master Last of Us and after showing their work gets shutdown. This is a big nothing-burger. This kind of thing happens all the time at any company. Maybe they did want to spend too much, maybe the work wasn't up to snuff. That the article focused on this team at its core was a big waste to me.
- Sony Bend not making Days Gone 2, bunch of people leave, now very early in new game. This sucks to me. I loved the world they built in Days Gone (It doesn't hurt that I'm from Oregon, so an open world based in the NW was super cool to me). I played it late last year after most of the launch problems had been worked out, I really enjoyed it, and I think a second one could have really hit it out of the park.
- ND remaking Last of Us. WHY? WTF.....just patch the PS4 version with a 60FPS patch and move on to your next game!!!!
digoutyoursoul
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I’d happily take a Warhawk PS3 remake. Great game.
rob305
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That was for a new console on a different platform though so it was fair game
longdi
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It is so frustrating, this cycle for ps5 could easily be avoided by putting the right persons on the job.
I have no idea how this 'Sony' voted jimbo in.
And jimbo hired german hurst. Remember that GG were an average studio, probably have strong programmers but mild gameplay designers....
How many studios does MS now have and how many games have been released by them?
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squarealex
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Much better title.
HotPocket69
Banned
It’s already been happening. Remember the remaster of REmake back in 2014?
SLB1904
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all of these were replaced by something else
i don't understand your question
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What? What replaced Socom? Warhawk? The Last Guardian? Days Gone? Death Stranding? Quantic Dream games?
What are you talking about?
fallingdove
Member
Please tell me the future Nostradamus.It is so frustrating, this cycle for ps5 could easily be avoided by putting the right persons on the job.
I have no idea how this 'Sony' voted jimbo in.
And jimbo hired german hurst. Remember that GG were an average studio, probably have strong programmers but mild gameplay designers....
Jim Ryan sucks but you have no clue how this cycle will go. New consoles launched in November and Xbox is still trailing Nintendo in terms of mind share and console sales.
Replaced by what? Do a list too!
Also reread my post again!
Insane Metal
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Will someone stop Jim Ryan
Please
Please
DeaDPo0L84
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It's possible, I purchased it at launch on ps4 and will do the same on steam so I'm doing my part at least.
SLB1904
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my head hurts, how some of you are thick. death stranding released a year or so ago just because you heard a rumour of ms publishing next Kojima games doesn't mean he won't come back for death stranding 2. quantic dream games arent franchises. same for Ueda games. Warhawk had its time, llets be fucking real those games bombed. in fact the ps3 era PlayStation was the grimmest for any PlayStation fan. the so-called AAA games sony is releasing is what saved PlayStation while ms was playing with Kinect.
some of you just make a nostalgic list of a bunch of mediocre games acting all mighty.
replace by the hundreds of games sony has being publishing for years. do you really want me to go on wikipedia a find a list of all sony published games since those mediocre bombs got cancelled?
bloodborne, gravity rush, ico, shadow of the colossus, loco roco, patapon, puppeteer, ape escape, last guardian among many many others, you think loosing all the key talent from a studio who a hand in all this wont be missed? Everything about PlayStations Japanese identity was a direct result of japan studio. The success of the PS5 is momentum from PS4, we wont see the effects of all this till later in the generation, we have however seen this same pattern of consolidation and absolute risk avoidance from every western AAA publisher and platform holder, It always ends in long term decline coupled with the creative death of the company. Trying to Turn Bend into a ND support studio is a move straight out of EA's playbook, its squandering potential out of fear and a lack of vision.
Keihart
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Imagine putting Shu on the bench after taking PS out of the gutter in the PS3 gen and the success of the PS4, questionable decision at best.It is so frustrating, this cycle for ps5 could easily be avoided by putting the right persons on the job.
I have no idea how this 'Sony' voted jimbo in.
And jimbo hired german hurst. Remember that GG were an average studio, probably have strong programmers but mild gameplay designers....
LordBlodgett
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Jonny Rizzo
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Me: Jason Schreier's Obsession With Stirring Unrest Within Video Game's Industry is Concerning
But for real, Sony has been restructuring across the board in regards to Video Games and the PlayStation Brand. It will be interesting to see how everything settles out in the next few years.
But for real, Sony has been restructuring across the board in regards to Video Games and the PlayStation Brand. It will be interesting to see how everything settles out in the next few years.
FunkMiller
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Sony PlayStation under Ryan are quite clearly become far too risk averse and ‘safe’, the same way Hollywood studios have.
If they do not change attitude, and Microsoft under Spencer are the ones taking all the creative and financial risks, this generation will turn around quicker than you can say Don Mattrick.
If they do not change attitude, and Microsoft under Spencer are the ones taking all the creative and financial risks, this generation will turn around quicker than you can say Don Mattrick.