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"Xbox Series consoles have sold less in the same timeframe as XB1" Really?
ZehDon
Gold Member
If Ahmad is on point, and I believe he's generally regarded as well informed, then the Xbox Series has shipped around 3.5m units in comparison to the 3.9m Xbone shipped in the same time frame. This was apparently due to Microsoft not starting manufacturing until later than Sony, which according to Phil Spencer, was due to Microsoft wanting to wait for the complete RDNA 2 feature set from AMD. If Microsoft has shipped less consoles, and both consoles experienced full sell through (all consoles sold out), it would stand to reason the Xbox Series consoles have sold less than the Xbone consoles at the same point in time due to simply not having more hardware. So, no console war bullshit: I believe the Xbox Series consoles are indeed behind in sales.
However, the Xbone stormed out the gates on the back of how good the Xbox 360 was... and then it basically died as the realisation of the Xbone set in, and Sony kept the peddle down for basically the entire generation, with hit after hit after hit. The Series consoles, on the other hand, have basically nothing but good PR for some five straight months, and Microsoft cracked open the war chest to give the Series consoles actual games to play. The Xbone might have sold more initially, but the I suspect the Xbox Series consoles will have better legs; they're dramatically better consoles than the Xbone ever was, and Xbox actually remembered to make games this time around.
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TheMay30thMan
Member
I don’t see why it matters. If they were actually on store shelves, the sales would be a lot higher.
TwiztidElf
Member
If you look past the cost, mandatory Kinect, and the disastrous messaging, the XB1 at launch wasn't that bad.
I picked one up at launch, and was happy with Forza 5, Dead Rising 3 (it was ok), Crimson Dragon (I liked it), and FIFA packed in the box aswell. For my PS4 I only had Resogun.
Problem was, XB1 brought nothing for the rest of the gen, except for Forza Horizon. PS4 kept dropping bangers one after another for the whole gen.
I picked one up at launch, and was happy with Forza 5, Dead Rising 3 (it was ok), Crimson Dragon (I liked it), and FIFA packed in the box aswell. For my PS4 I only had Resogun.
Problem was, XB1 brought nothing for the rest of the gen, except for Forza Horizon. PS4 kept dropping bangers one after another for the whole gen.
abstract alien
Member
I don't give a shit about the xbox brand, but it really does seem like "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Regardless of sales and games comparisons to Sony's PS5, they can't keep one on the shelf at the current moment. Just let them continue selling until an actual sales issue reveals itself.
Kerotan
Member
Typo. Meant to say S. Nobody wants the thing.
//DEVIL//
Member
Xbox fate was decided to die in terms of hardware sales the minute MS announced all their games on PC. they just killed the reason for any person with even a 5 years old PC to buy an xbox.
Sony will follow the same fate if they release all their first-party games on PC as well. so far only a couple here and there. but if they go MS direction... lol they done for as a hardware side.
Not that i am complaining. I would love to have one system to rule them all. and the nature of PC is just way better than consoles. especially with old games I enjoy, I can play games released during the PS2/3 days on PC with 60 frames and 4k thanks to the community and fans. I can't even run a friggin PS2 game on PS5. how sad is this?
Sony will follow the same fate if they release all their first-party games on PC as well. so far only a couple here and there. but if they go MS direction... lol they done for as a hardware side.
Not that i am complaining. I would love to have one system to rule them all. and the nature of PC is just way better than consoles. especially with old games I enjoy, I can play games released during the PS2/3 days on PC with 60 frames and 4k thanks to the community and fans. I can't even run a friggin PS2 game on PS5. how sad is this?
Team Andromeda
Member
And the 360 which is always overlooked. Come Christmas I expect the Series X and PS5 to just smash sales and for next year when we get price cuts
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Could easily be true since Microsoft seems to be even more incompetent at manufacturing and supplying consoles than Sony.
prinz_valium
Member
I guess that depends on the region and timeframe you're talking about.
Even the Ps5 sold less during launch in every important country other than cumulative worldwide where the console just matched last gen.
And yes we're looking at supply figures here and how good or bad the console manufacture are on getting their chain going
Even the Ps5 sold less during launch in every important country other than cumulative worldwide where the console just matched last gen.
And yes we're looking at supply figures here and how good or bad the console manufacture are on getting their chain going
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Xbox might be ever so slightly behind cbox one with ps5 only just matching or exceeding PS4 a bit.
Sony secured more manufacturing with TSMC ahead os ms and early so they can make more ps5s.
this is in a world where 3080 gpu s are selling for over 2 grand on eBay due to shortages. Cars aren’t being manufactured due to supply chain issues and cpu.
if the Xbox was available it would have steamrolled the Xbox one, same for the ps5 vs PS4. Demand is through the roof due to COVID and the fomo caused by it. People are stuck in homes.
if anyone uses this as some ammunition to fuel some agenda of less desire for Xbox its purely console warring And should be ignored.
Sony secured more manufacturing with TSMC ahead os ms and early so they can make more ps5s.
this is in a world where 3080 gpu s are selling for over 2 grand on eBay due to shortages. Cars aren’t being manufactured due to supply chain issues and cpu.
if the Xbox was available it would have steamrolled the Xbox one, same for the ps5 vs PS4. Demand is through the roof due to COVID and the fomo caused by it. People are stuck in homes.
if anyone uses this as some ammunition to fuel some agenda of less desire for Xbox its purely console warring And should be ignored.
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yazenov
Member
LOL at the people pulling the Pandemic supply card for MS , especially when the cheaper model Xbox series S is available in many countries on the shelves as the demand for that SKU is not very high. You cant say that the Xbox is sold out and demand outstrips supply when you have a $299 console sitting on the shelves collecting dust in many counties.
Dr Bass
Member
Nope. Look at scalper prices. Lower for the SX on every major reseller platform.
Not only are there more PS5s sold by a decent margin they are more expensive on the resale side, and demand drives price.
yazenov
Member
Yes MS strategy to launch 2 totally different consoles have really backfired for them since it causes twice the effort and production, opposed to Sony where the 2 SKUs are basically the same unit except one doesn't have a disk drive.
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MrSarcastic
Banned
It is just fascinating how the market has been in flux due to the pandemic, grow of the home office, Crypto mining, new consoles, CPUs, and GPUs. Even some car manufactures had to close due to the lack of "chips". So, been interested in these topics as well as PR/Marketing doesn't make you necessarily a "console warrior". Regarding Xbox Series and PS5 It seems like playstation has sold more consoles because they have produced more of them too. I other words; Demand is high and supply is low everywhere.
ZywyPL
Banned
I still haven't seen XSX/XSS/PS5/PS5DE with my own eyes anywhere, so my logic is that those consoles would've sold so much more if only they were available... Maybe it is indeed true that the overall sales are lower than XB1 in the same time frame, no one knows until MS drops the concrete numbers, but even if, the numbers alone don't show the whole story as MS is still selling everything as soon as it hits the store shelves, so the demand is not the issue here. And as I thought of it right now, deciding to sell their games/services also on PC can be now very beneficial in that fragile launch period.
turtlepowa
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised if it's true, because in 2013 we didn't have xCloud and Pc ports, but does it really matter anymore with their new strategy? I know some fanboys get soaked panties over sales numbers, because it's parts of their holy war, but as long as it's sustainable enough for Microsoft/Sony to continue, why should i care?
Superayate
Member
As far as I know, two times more wafer are used for X, around the same number of chip produced for X and S.
fragganaut
Member
There seems to be no shortage on Series S, at least on Amazon (AT) their in stock for quite some time now.
So maybe the demand for Series S isn't there or not as high as MS anticipated?
Which would be very unfortunate for them, because they have wasted their components and manufacturing lines on a product not sold while at the same time Series X demand can not be fulfilled.
So maybe the demand for Series S isn't there or not as high as MS anticipated?
Which would be very unfortunate for them, because they have wasted their components and manufacturing lines on a product not sold while at the same time Series X demand can not be fulfilled.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
lagging behind previous sales.... what now? were in a fucking pandemic and chip shortage plus no cunt can get their hands on one if they wanted so these sort of metrics are like influencers/youtube celebs.. beyond fucking useless and irrelevant to all but children
Superayate
Member
Based on this
Video Game Charts, Game Sales, Top Sellers, Game Data - VGChartz
VGChartz - extensive game chart coverage, including sales data, news, reviews, forums, & game database for PS5, Xbox Series, Nintendo Switch & PCwww.vgchartz.com
Yeah its lower than xbox one
But you have to remember xone have better launch game
Kiler Instinct, Ryse, FM5, Dead Rising 3, Titanfall etc
I took a look at this by curiosity, but it seems in fact that it's not true, for VGchartz, Xbox series are doing better than Xbox one => https://www.vgchartz.com/article/44...-one-launch-sales-comparison-through-week-19/
I know that's Vgchartz, but that's the "source" that was shared.
Jemm
Member
Series S is primarily aimed at those casuals who are not in hurry to upgrade their consoles.
They'll upgrade, when old console breaks or when new games stop coming to their current Xbox One/PS4 -consoles and there is no other option than to upgrade. When that time comes, they'll buy what's available or what's cheapest.
turtlepowa
Banned
I think like 80% of PS4 and Xbox One were sold after 2014. Who buys right at the start or very early? Core gamers and enthusiasts. What do they buy? Of course the X. I mean when PS4 Pro was released 80% of the buyers still got the normal PS4 although they could get a nuch stronger console for just 100 bucks more. The time of the S will come with all the casuals, i have no doubt about that.
Superayate
Member
Clearly, the demand for Serie S is lower than for Series X, it sells not badly, but they probably have sold more Series S than they should have sold Series X from these wafers. There is also many chances that the cost production losses are really lower than X (+ only digital) and for MS that is better to sell S from a financial point of view.
We had exactly what we had for xb1. Retail sales data from NPD, leaks from Benji and the Zhuge estimates based on retail data. I don't know why this is keeping you up at night though.
Hitchyhero
Banned
I'd be suprised if that's true. My friend circle have all gone to XSX/S after having a PS4... Due to gamepass.
Consoles are still mostly sold out, and whilst I don't expect sales to be anywhere near the PS5 sales I expect it to be ahead of the XB1.
Consoles are still mostly sold out, and whilst I don't expect sales to be anywhere near the PS5 sales I expect it to be ahead of the XB1.
TrebleShot
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if the sell through rate was something like 4:1 or 3:1 in Sony favour.
(Every single xbox sold around 3 or 3 PS5 sold)
(Every single xbox sold around 3 or 3 PS5 sold)
modiz
Member
It would be to show that Sony was able to produce three times more which I doubt.
DonkeyKong
Member
I don't see the point of these sales threads when we all know stock availability was and still is very limited (at least here in the UK)
fragganaut
Member
Yes sure I can unterstand whtat you mean but is this not still a miscalculation on MS side, because in my opinion it doesn't make sense to produce Series S which will then maybe sold within the next 2-3 Months while Series X supply get's soaked up before it even has reached any store.
And btw I do think that Series S could have been a good strategy but in it's current form it looks more like DOA
Zoro7
Banned
Here in the UK you can buy a series S right now. Microsoft shut themselves in the foot by limiting series X production.
turtlepowa
Banned
They don't use the same parts, maybe it's just not possible to make more X at the moment.
So only 1 million behind the “fastest selling consoles of all time” is a failure?
I don’t even know what to say
DonkeyKong
Member
I was talking about the X, although I think one shop has the S in stock so it still seems pretty limited, but they should have made more X's I agree
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megreotsugua
Banned
That's a good thing. The lesser it sells the faster MS will remove it from the market. Next-gen gaming is better off without that shackle.
Superayate
Member
Because you really think they'll remove the Series S from the market and that if it was the case (simply impossible) it won't be taken in account in the futur game dev in any case ??
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Stuart360
Member
Actually i have said many times on here that i expect XSX/XSS to have a little rebound from last gen, and finish with a 60-70mil total. And PS5 to sell 100+mil. And these 2.8mil vs 4.2mil estimates fits right in line with my prediction. So no, its not 'keeping me up at night'. Thanks for your concern though.
I was asking a simple question of where all this was suddenly coming from when Microsoft dont reveal sales numbers.
Now i'm off to bed, to get some SLEEP.
Team Andromeda
Member
People forget that the Base One was ahead for the 360 sales at similar times in their lifecycles. The 360 also had huge issues with manufacturing at the start
Zeroing
Banned
Another one!
ad nadseum
Yes let’s discuss something we don’t have numbers about it and little information on what we are saying!
ok, let’s try this!
if a company doesn’t brag about how much is selling then, it means they aren’t selling as much as the competitors!
because they sure would love to be winning and giving their fans/followers, reasons to brag, start console wars!
ad nadseum
Yes let’s discuss something we don’t have numbers about it and little information on what we are saying!
ok, let’s try this!
if a company doesn’t brag about how much is selling then, it means they aren’t selling as much as the competitors!
because they sure would love to be winning and giving their fans/followers, reasons to brag, start console wars!
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Anyone who thinks these companies need to "WIN" is an idiot.
Then why aren't you asking how we actually did it for XB1 to begin with since we had no official numbers there too?Actually i have said many times on here that i expect XSX/XSS to have a little rebound from last gen, and finish with a 60-70mil total. And PS5 to sell 100+mil. And these 2.8mil vs 4.2mil estimates fits right in line with my prediction. So no, its not 'keeping me up at night'. Thanks for your concern though.
I was asking a simple question of where all this was suddenly coming from when Microsoft dont reveal sales numbers.
Now i'm off to bed, to get some SLEEP.
So your concern is you want it to be more successful. The numbers are saying exactly what people have been saying and you don't need to wonder.
Zeroing
Banned
agree and lately there’s been a lot of idiots.
“Win” is why some people are here talking about how much a console sold. It’s not curiosity, it’s to get ammunition for console wars!