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[Bernd Lauert]

So if 0.1% advantage matters, are you willing to exchange this PS5 win with Hitman 3's XSX win? (that's pretty much the only big one for XSX, so choose your words carefully!) haha.

It doesn't matter, I'm just playing by team Sony's rules

Btw Avengers looks like dogshit on PS5.

 

[Mr Moose]

So if 0.1% advantage matters, are you willing to exchange this PS5 win with Hitman 3's XSX win? (that's pretty much the only big one for XSX, so choose your words carefully!) haha.

It doesn't matter, I'm just playing by team Sony's rules

Btw Avengers looks like dogshit on PS5.

It looks fine in the non-dog shit mode.

 

[abel empire]

Series S was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have just released a cheaper digital X.

Either that or just release a xcloud handheld id really love to see a xbox or playstation handheld by now cause a 900p nextgen console is a mistake

 

[Topher]

It doesn't matter, I'm just playing by team Sony's rules

Btw Avengers looks like dogshit on PS5.

Only thing I know for certain from all these comparison threads......

 

[ethomaz]

Bruh, Sony fans had 20+ page celebration threads over 0.1% fps advantages in several games. It is what it is.

When Sony fans brag about that tiny fps advantage in some games when they ignored the XSX's significantly bigger resolution advantage in other titles

Where was this post this in the other comparison threads when PS5 had a frame advantage in 20 frames out of 20,000 analyzed?

First time you've posted this in the very thread where the shoe's on the other foot.

That is due Xbox fans brags about 2TF difference.

Do you realize there is a difference between the narrative, no? A tie will be a Sony fan celebration (hell even a loss in single digit percent will be a Sony fan celebration).... it doesn't need any fps advantage because Xbox fans created that narrative.

You guys created a situation that is pretty hard to win no matter what matters.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Where was this post this in the other comparison threads when PS5 had a frame advantage in 20 frames out of 20,000 analyzed?

First time you've posted this in the very thread where the shoe's on the other foot.

Wait, what?!

1. I have been saying this since forever. We have enough empirical data to determine that both consoles are the same, but some XSX fanboys don't want to accept that 10 = 12. They want the promised and fabled 30% power advantage.
2. The shoe is not on the other foot. I'm primarily a PlayStation user. "PS5 won" this comparison. And because I am not a hardcore fanboy, I'm still willing to accept that both these consoles are the same (instead of chest-thumping that PS5 > XSX based on this result). They are similar machines and will trade blows throughout the gen. Both console players win in the end.

 

[jroc74]

Bruh, Sony fans had 20+ page celebration threads over 0.1% fps advantages in several games. It is what it is.

When Sony fans brag about that tiny fps advantage in some games when they ignored the XSX's significantly bigger resolution advantage in other titles

Where was this post this in the other comparison threads when PS5 had a frame advantage in 20 frames out of 20,000 analyzed?

First time you've posted this in the very thread where the shoe's on the other foot.

So the other Tony Hawk thread no longer exist now.

I want to thank each of you (and others similar) for letting me know to never take your opinion serious. Good to know.

 

[Stuart360]

So if 0.1% advantage matters, are you willing to exchange this PS5 win with Hitman 3's XSX win? (that's pretty much the only big one for XSX, so choose your words carefully!) haha.

Eh?, if resolution matters again now, XSX has been taking most of the recent comparisons.

 

[Neo Blaster]

So happy that certain sections have clarrified that framerate is king and nothing else matters with these comparisons.
Another one for XSX then

Nah, PS5 has a 20% resolution advantage over 5% framerate advantage for XSX, so...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Only thing I know for certain from all these comparison threads......

Hahaha. Totally.

Tony Hawk games are twitchy requiring smooth frames to pull off pinpoint moves. Xbox frame rate wins over chopfest PS5.

Relax Sony fans. Just joking. /S

 

[Heisenberg007]

Eh?, if resolution matters again now, XSX has been taking most of the recent comparisons.

Many of those comparisons have been in BC modes (e.g., Division 2). The only exceptions are Hitman 3, Outriders, and Avengers.

Avengers use the PS4 Pro resolution settings and Outriders had a 6% framerate advantage on PS5 at a lower resolution. Hitman 3 was a clear-cut win for XSX.

Having said that, my stance doesn't change: XSX will win some, PS5 will win others. It's not as black-and-white as "12 > 10 so XSX will win all of these comparisons or 2.23 > 1.8 so PS5 will win all comparisons."

 

[ethomaz]

Nah, PS5 has a 20% resolution advantage over 5% framerate advantage for XSX, so...

Exactly.
That should be fine and all in most cases a tie but there is a big push in "most powerful 12TFs GPU" that makes this results be be celebrated by PS fans.
That is the narrative set before the gen started... so it won't vanish for the whole gen.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

 

[DForce]

Bruh, Sony fans had 20+ page celebration threads over 0.1% fps advantages in several games. It is what it is.

No.

XboxGAF/Xbox Fanboys on here just don't get it.

People didn't forget how many times XboxGAF celebrated that paper specs of the Xbox Series X and predicted that the console would win every single comparison video. People didn't forget this and XboxGAF wants to pretend like this never happened. After the first few months, XboxGAF said the tools would arrive and we will finally see the difference.

Even though some comparisons have been almost even, this is not the result XboxGAF were predicting when they told us we would see Xbox Series X win every single comparison video. It's not about celebrating a minor difference, it's about laughing at the fact that XboxGAF told us we would see a large gap in performance but we're actually seeing many games perform very similar in comparison.


Things can change, sure, but it's funny that XboxGAF wants us to forget what happened in the past and want to start saying "it's good for both consoles that they're performing the same".

 

[waquzy]

Yeah , they're the same, no body is going to notice any difference between the two. Now we can all grind our hearts out, enjoy everyone.

Riky and his VRR will!

 

[Stuart360]

Many of those comparisons have been in BC modes (e.g., Division 2). The only exceptions are Hitman 3, Outriders, and Avengers.

Avengers use the PS4 Pro resolution settings and Outriders had a 6% framerate advantage on PS5 at a lower resolution. Hitman 3 was a clear-cut win for XSX.

Having said that, my stance doesn't change: XSX will win some, PS5 will win others. It's not as black-and-white as "12 > 10 so XSX will win all of these comparisons or 2.23 > 1.8 so PS5 will win all comparisons."

But this is glorified BC mode right?, thats what people have said about the all the games XSX wins.
Thats the problem when certain sections change the goalposts with what 'counts' with ever comparison, it ends up coming back and biting you right in the arse.

 

[ethomaz]

But this is glorified BC mode right?, thats what people have said about the all the games XSX wins.
Thats the problem when certain sections change the goalposts with what 'counts' with ever comparison, it ends up coming back and biting you right in the arse.

You probably missed that thread:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/tony...1080p-120fps-on-ps5-4k-60fps-on-both.1598027/

That was the "goal" set for that game... this thread reaction is a direct response to what happened in that other one.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No.

XboxGAF/Xbox Fanboys on here just don't get it.

People didn't forget how many times XboxGAF celebrated that paper specs of the Xbox Series X and predicted that the console would win every single comparison video. People didn't forget this and XboxGAF wants to pretend like this never happened. After the first few months, XboxGAF said the tools would arrive and we will finally see the difference.

Even though some comparisons have been almost even, this is not the result XboxGAF were predicting when they told us we would see Xbox Series X win every single comparison video. It's not about celebrating a minor difference, it's about laughing at the fact that XboxGAF told us we would see a large gap in performance but we're actually seeing many games perform very similar in comparison.


Things can change, sure, but it's funny that XboxGAF wants us to forget what happened in the past and want to start saying "it's good for both consoles that they're performing the same".

You take the jabs way too serious.

If you're going to talk paper specs, PS fans were hyping up 5.5 gb SSD like it's the best feature in all of gaming. Not even PC gamers brag about SSDs which have been in PCs for years, whereas console gamers have 5400 rpm HDD since 360/PS3.

Since launch, where's all the big blowout SSD loading time comparisons? There's none. You know why? Because half the time in all these 10-15 game comparisons, Xbox has faster load times. Even S sometimes have faster times than PS5. Someone did a game comparison way back with NBA, FF and a more games. That video had 5-6 games and Xbox was faster I think in all of them except one.

See? Goes both ways.

Who cares. Its plastic on both sides.

 

[Stuart360]

You probably missed that thread:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/tony-hawk’s-pro-skater-1-2-will-suport-1440p-120fps-on-xbox-series-x-1080p-120fps-on-ps5-4k-60fps-on-both.1598027/

That was the "goal" set for that game... this thread reaction is a direct response to what happened in that other one.

Oh you mean the people using what the devs said in their tweets?, blame the devs not users on here.

EDIT. My post in that thread by the way

To be honest, if they are both 4k/60, i dont know why PS5 wouldnt be able to match the same 1440p/60 as requirements for both modes should be pretty similar on paper.

 

[ethomaz]

Oh you mean the people using what the devs said in their tweets?, blame the devs not users on here.

Did you read the thread?
You talk about move goalposts but ignore a entry thread of Xbox fans moving goalposts.

 

[Riky]

I kept being told framerate was king? So Xbox wins again then.

 

[skit_data]

You take the jabs way too serious.

If you're going to talk paper specs, PS fans were hyping up 5.5 gb SSD like it's the best feature in all of gaming. Not even PC gamers brag about SSDs which have been in PCs for years, whereas console gamers have 5400 rpm HDD since 360/PS3.

Since launch, where's all the big blowout SSD loading time comparisons? There's none. You know why? Because half the time in all these 10-15 game comparisons, Xbox has faster load times. Even S sometimes have faster times than PS5. Someone did a game comparison way back with NBA, FF and a more games. That video had 5-6 games and Xbox was faster I think in all of them except one.

See? Goes both ways.

Who cares. Its plastic on both sides.

We have seen loading times on PS5 exclusives blow anything else out of the water, we have also seen dramatically reduced install sizes on multiplatform titles

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So the other Tony Hawk thread no longer exist now.

I want to thank each of you (and others similar) for letting me know to never take your opinion serious. Good to know.

Feel free to find out what I said in the other Tony Hawk thread

 

[ethomaz]

You take the jabs way too serious.

If you're going to talk paper specs, PS fans were hyping up 5.5 gb SSD like it's the best feature in all of gaming. Not even PC gamers brag about SSDs which have been in PCs for years, whereas console gamers have 5400 rpm HDD since 360/PS3.

Since launch, where's all the big blowout SSD loading time comparisons? There's none. You know why? Because half the time in all these 10-15 game comparisons, Xbox has faster load times. Even S sometimes have faster times than PS5. Someone did a game comparison way back with NBA, FF and a more games. That video had 5-6 games and Xbox was faster I think in all of them except one.

See? Goes both ways.

Who cares. Its plastic on both sides.

You need to play more PS5 games because what Sony talked about the SSD is there in several games.

 

[jroc74]

No.

XboxGAF/Xbox Fanboys on here just don't get it.

People didn't forget how many times XboxGAF celebrated that paper specs of the Xbox Series X and predicted that the console would win every single comparison video. People didn't forget this and XboxGAF wants to pretend like this never happened. After the first few months, XboxGAF said the tools would arrive and we will finally see the difference.

Even though some comparisons have been almost even, this is not the result XboxGAF were predicting when they told us we would see Xbox Series X win every single comparison video. It's not about celebrating a minor difference, it's about laughing at the fact that XboxGAF told us we would see a large gap in performance but we're actually seeing many games perform very similar in comparison.


Things can change, sure, but it's funny that XboxGAF wants us to forget what happened in the past and want to start saying "it's good for both consoles that they're performing the same".

On top of that....they want ppl to forget something that happened...last week.....

Lmao.

You probably missed that thread:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/tony...1080p-120fps-on-ps5-4k-60fps-on-both.1598027/

That was the "goal" set for that game... this thread reaction is a direct response to what happened in that other one.

Did you read the thread?
You talk about move goalposts but ignore a entry thread of Xbox fans moving goalposts.

Some ppl really need to just take the L. But....thats the entire issue. They cant.

 

[Stuart360]

Did you read the thread?
You talk about move goalposts but ignore a entry thread of Xbox fans moving goalposts.

People are going off what the actual devs put in their tweets. Again its the devs fault.

 

[Mr Moose]

I kept being told framerate was king? So Xbox wins again then.

After the other thread I am surprised you came in here

 

[Armorian]

Not gonna lie, after that last thread where everyone was declaring PS5 a weaker machine once again, this is one of the funniest shit I've seen recently!

 

[Bernd Lauert]

No.

XboxGAF/Xbox Fanboys on here just don't get it.

People didn't forget how many times XboxGAF celebrated that paper specs of the Xbox Series X and predicted that the console would win every single comparison video. People didn't forget this and XboxGAF wants to pretend like this never happened. After the first few months, XboxGAF said the tools would arrive and we will finally see the difference.

Even though some comparisons have been almost even, this is not the result XboxGAF were predicting when they told us we would see Xbox Series X win every single comparison video. It's not about celebrating a minor difference, it's about laughing at the fact that XboxGAF told us we would see a large gap in performance but we're actually seeing many games perform very similar in comparison.


Things can change, sure, but it's funny that XboxGAF wants us to forget what happened in the past and want to start saying "it's good for both consoles that they're performing the same".

I know that team Sony is a bit traumatized because of all of the FUD, that's why I try to be nice to them. I also personally never predicted a large gap, in fact I said several times that the difference is basically nothing to the average consumer.

 

[ethomaz]

People are going off what the actual devs put in their tweets. Again its the devs fault.

But I already expected you moving the goalpost

 

[Shmunter]

When do we declare the multi platform king for the generation?

 

[DForce]

You take the jabs way too serious.

If you're going to talk paper specs, PS fans were hyping up 5.5 gb SSD like it's the best feature in all of gaming. Not even PC gamers brag about SSDs which have been in PCs for years, whereas console gamers have 5400 rpm HDD since 360/PS3.

Since launch, where's all the big blowout SSD loading time comparisons? There's none. You know why? Because half the time in all these 10-15 game comparisons, Xbox has faster load times. Even S sometimes have faster times than PS5. Someone did a game comparison way back with NBA, FF and a more games. That video had 5-6 games and Xbox was faster I think in all of them except one.

See? Goes both ways.

Who cares. Its plastic on both sides.

Now you want to make excuses by saying PS fans were taking the jabs too seriously?


No one is buying it, dude. You have a excuse for everything.


DF and others told you not to take BC title load times as a reflection of how it's going to really perform on next gen titles, but you XboxGAF ignores that. BC simple ignores most of the dedicated IO.

I see you all the time and you're always making some insane excuses.

 

[FranXico]

Solid all around. Why did they say PS5 was 1080p? Was it because of the old post about both of them being 1080 120?

Output support.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

This whole the "shoe is on the other foot" by both camps shtick is hilarious because it is fundamentally saying that BOTH of these machines are EQUALLY capable. If that bothers you then you need to take your fanboy shit someplace else.

 

[Stuart360]

When do we declare the multi platform king for the generation?

lol not the first time i have seen this said on here. Desperate to get that out of the way before the 2nd wave of titles start hitting eh?

 

[akaFullmetal]

Riky and his VRR will!

We'll that is Riky, but if he as VRR he shouldn't have any complaints.

 

[Shmunter]

lol not the first time i have seen this said on here. Desperate to get that out of the way before the 2nd wave of titles start hitting eh?

I’d take it if I were you.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

These comparisons are so boring

We all know the Xbox has 12tflops minus a couple of decimals that are crippled

Lets move on already lol

 

[Stuart360]

But I already expected you moving the goalpost

lol i'm not changing any goalposts. My view has always been a significant rez advantage 100% of the time always betters a tiny less than 1% framerate advantage. There is only one set of fans on here that keeps changing goalposts with each comparison. I mean look at how many Sony fans are bigging up resolution in this thread, something that 'doesnt count' over the last few comparisons.

 

[Concern]

 

[ethomaz]

lol i'm not changing any goalposts. My view has always been a significant rez advantage 100% of the time always betters a tiny less than 1% framerate advantage. There is only one set of fans on here that keeps changing goalposts with each comparison. I mean look at how many Sony fans are bigging up resolution in this thread, something that 'doesnt count' over the last few comparisons.

Because Xbox fans were only talking about resolution in the previous thread... this is a direct response to what happened in the previous thread.
It can't be more clear than that.

If you want to be technical there is 4x more resolution % drop in Series X version than framerate % drop in PS5 version... that in a 12TFs GPU... it was supposed to be the opposite with the specs sheet.

 

[jroc74]

When do we declare the multi platform king for the generation?

Honestly, I wanna know this too.

We can just forget the early days of the:

PS2, XBO, Dreamcast, Gamecube era
PS360, Wii era
Wii U, PS4, XBO era

All those no longer count now. Add BC into the mix and its just a complete clusterfuck.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

lol i'm not changing any goalposts. My view has always been a significant rez advantage 100% of the time always betters a tiny less than 1% framerate advantage. There is only one set of fans on here that keeps changing goalposts with each comparison. I mean look at how many Sony fans are bigging up resolution in this thread, something that 'doesnt count' over the last few comparisons.

You dont thin they are bringing it up as a counter to the no stop Res is king posts? The same is true for XsX fans talking about FPS now. Stop playing dumb.

 

[Stuart360]

Because Xbox fans were only talking about resolution in the previous thread... this is a direct response to what happened in the previous thread.
It can't be more clear than that.

And why were they talking about resolution in that thread?, because they were going on what was said in the dev tweets. Dont act stupid Ethomaz.

Also, as you missed my edit earlier, this is what i said in that thread -

To be honest, if they are both 4k/60, i dont know why PS5 wouldnt be able to match the same 1440p/60 as requirements for both modes should be pretty similar on paper.

 

[Gediminas]

Bruh, Sony fans had 20+ page celebration threads over 0.1% fps advantages in several games. It is what it is.

at least Sony fans celebrate, yet in other green side, xbox dudes has 20 pages of whining, hate and crying. i meet you in other 100 topics crying and whining again and again. have a nice day.

 

[Concern]

Because Xbox fans were only talking about resolution in the previous thread... this is a direct response to what happened in the previous thread.
It can't be more clear than that.

If you want to be technical there is 4x more resolution % drop in Series X version than framerate % drop in PS5 version... that in a 12TFs GPU... it was supposed to be the opposite with the specs sheet.

"Pixel counts at 2560x1440 seem to be common" on both

"Pixel counts below 3840x2160 seem to be rare"on both in Fidelity mode.

"Was only guess so i can't be wrong" right?

 

[DForce]

lol i'm not changing any goalposts. My view has always been a significant rez advantage 100% of the time always betters a tiny less than 1% framerate advantage. There is only one set of fans on here that keeps changing goalposts with each comparison. I mean look at how many Sony fans are bigging up resolution in this thread, something that 'doesnt count' over the last few comparisons.

People are talking about resolution after people said the PlayStation 5 wasn't capable of running this game at 1440p 120fps.

You notice that's the mode they're talking about and not the other mode, which PS5 (it seems) has a advantage in both frame-rate and resolution?


People are going to bring up the resolution after people laughed at the 1080p vs 1440p a few days ago. No one is saying the performance mode is a win, we're just talking about how it IS capable of reaching 1440p.

 

[Stuart360]

People are talking about resolution after people said the PlayStation 5 wasn't capable of running this game at 1440p 120fps.

You notice that's the mode they're talking about and not the other mode, which PS5 (it seems) has a advantage in both frame-rate and resolution?


People are going to bring up the resolution after people laughed at the 1080p vs 1440p a few days ago. No one is saying the performance mode is a win, we're just talking about how it IS capable of reaching 1440p.

Which is what most sane people were saying in that thread, that PS5 is capable of 1440p, as has been shown in many games so far. It was the other side that was saying 'the only reason why its 1080p is because PS5 doesnt support 1440p'.
Seriously take 5mins out of your day and go read that thread again.

 

[skit_data]

at least Sony fans celebrate, yet in other green side, xbox dudes has 20 pages of whining, hate and crying. i meet you in other 100 topics crying and whining again and again. have a nice day.

Ive seen him complaining about 20+ page threads in every other thread. Then i go look at the thread and he posted around 30% of the total posts in the threads and is probably indirectly responsible of another 30% due to other people replying to his posts.

 

[ethomaz]

"Pixel counts at 2560x1440 seem to be common" on both

"Pixel counts below 3840x2160 seem to be rare"on both in Fidelity mode.

"Was only guess so i can't be wrong" right?

Compare the minimums and make the math

The drop in framerate is 5% in the same rare cases than the resoltution 20% drop.