CurtBizzy
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That same GPU will be a bottleneck once Unreal 5 releases, let's wait to see how it performs on next-gen engines
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Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 1 + 2 will suport 1440p@120FPS on Xbox Series X / 1080p@120FPS on PS5 / 4K@60FPS on both
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v_iHuGi
Banned
Why is that? Present proof that SX is indeed more powerful with performance videos to make your point BTW with graphs of RES / FPS differences.
I'm waiting all of you that never wrote a line of code in your life to present all your code, proof & analysis.
Bring it on.
Riky
bring the heat im bored & will only code in some hours, let's go.
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Concern
Member
here come the gaf tech analysts.
Cant quite put my finger on it but reminds me of someone I know
Calverz
Member
Calverz
Member
Iv got a ps5 and series s hooked up to mine. I need to upgrade to an x. Its becoming more and more clear thats the place to be.
Riky
$MSFT
Such as? At launch they did, not anymore the likes of Dirt 5 have an over 20fps framerate advantage on Xbox at times.
It's time to let the launch comparisons go.
TrebleShot
Member
Play it at 4K60?
I have the same setup, wondering if I should have paid out for an X but I don’t play it enough to justify that.
Riky
$MSFT
The only bottleneck is only having 36 compute units, that can never be fixed.
v_iHuGi
Banned
So guys here the rundown, played 2 hours :
- Better AO;
- Better Shadows (no longer changing lod);
- Better SSR on the ground, pretty much amazing looking;
- Same SSR on windows or other surfaces, probably at higher RES but with the obvious limitations of Raster (no RTX);
- Performance is smooth as Fuck (60 locked) ;
- DualSense implementation is average but you can feel it;
- Loadings are fast like 2/4 seconds;
- Had to pay 10 bucks, remember to upload your Ps4 save to the Cloud;
- Ps5 version is 23.41GB;
- Ps4 version was 28GB I think!? ;
- 3D Audio is excellent.
- Better AO;
- Better Shadows (no longer changing lod);
- Better SSR on the ground, pretty much amazing looking;
- Same SSR on windows or other surfaces, probably at higher RES but with the obvious limitations of Raster (no RTX);
- Performance is smooth as Fuck (60 locked) ;
- DualSense implementation is average but you can feel it;
- Loadings are fast like 2/4 seconds;
- Had to pay 10 bucks, remember to upload your Ps4 save to the Cloud;
- Ps5 version is 23.41GB;
- Ps4 version was 28GB I think!? ;
- 3D Audio is excellent.
CurtBizzy
Member
v_iHuGi
Banned
MasterCornholio
Member
Well if 4K@60FPs is not demanding then why don't all XSX games run like that?
I guess it depends on the engine and game but 4K@60FPs usually requires a lot of power for really demanding titles.
MasterCornholio
Member
In curious to see if there are any differences in the 4K mode like shadow quality or alphas for example. Still not a good game that demonstrates a massive difference between the two.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Such as? At launch they did, not anymore the likes of Dirt 5 have an over 20fps framerate advantage on Xbox at times.
It's time to let the launch comparisons go.
So the PS5 has 10+ fps advantage at times. But 120 hz mode is unstable as shit on both
Mr Moose
Member
4k 60fps isn't demanding...
Guess which one is outputting more pps?
Wait the disc version isn't upgradable?
And Riky, stop cherry picking screenshots or I will too
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Such as? At launch they did, not anymore the likes of Dirt 5 have an over 20fps framerate advantage on Xbox at times.
It's time to let the launch comparisons go.
Uuh the 120fps mode already runs way better now on the PS5 then before launch. This is also the same game were the PS5 has higher res details in both 60 and 120p modes. That has never really changed btw.
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Shodan09
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Yeah the sooner people accept and get over this the better.
Negotiator101
Member
Come on, we all can see the specs there's a performance delta between the consoles. Around 20% GPU and around 25% RAM bandwidth. Hitman, Avengers this game now all have a significant resolution advantage on Series X. A pattern is forming in these newer releases, surely you can see that? Remedy have come out and said the Xbox dev tools are not as familiar as the PS5, that explains earlier games having an advantage on PS5 (Although the advantage was very slight, and nothing like the advantage the Series X has for the above mentioned games).Why is that? Present proof that SX is indeed more powerful with performance videos to make your point BTW with graphs of RES / FPS differences.
I'm waiting all of you that never wrote a line of code in your life to present all your code, proof & analysis.
Bring it on.
All that being said both these consoles are amazing and we have only seen a glimpse of what they are capable of.
Elog
Member
It will be a few months of this as long as last-gen games are getting 'XSX and PS5' patches when they simply have thrown the old code into the compilers. Non-Optimised for both platforms but the XSX has an inherent advantage due to Xbox One X and the scalability of the Direct X environment.
The surprise to me so far is that the XSX advantage is not bigger under these boundary conditions.
The surprise to me so far is that the XSX advantage is not bigger under these boundary conditions.
sncvsrtoip
Member
yeah interesting, specs and first games suggesting that the differences will be much closer than pro vs xox but few last games shows big gap
Banjo64
cumsessed
I have a couple of 4k HDR TVs but I do the majority of my gaming on a 1080p 25 inch 120hz gaming monitor. It’s not blurry at all and I don’t know how anyone can play any online game with any semblance of competitiveness on a big fuck off TV. Feels like you have a meerkat head looking left and right if someone is flanking you...
Riky
$MSFT
It has changed the Series X had a substantial patch when the settings bug was fixed, bringing in VRS and improving performance. PS5 still has a slight edge in th 60fps mode resolution wise but the 120fps mode is better on Xbox.
Riky
$MSFT
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
You didn’t care about those launch titles only because they didn’t run/looked better on XSX. Funny enough you did suddenly cared when they fixed some issues and still bring those launch titles to the table.
You are not fooling anyone kid.
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Ellery
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I have a couple of 4k HDR TVs but I do the majority of my gaming on a 1080p 25 inch 120hz gaming monitor. It’s not blurry at all and I don’t know how anyone can play any online game with any semblance of competitiveness on a big fuck off TV. Feels like you have a meerkat head looking left and right if someone is flanking you...
Well I guess that mostly is up to the size of the TV + viewing distance and some people have excellent peripheral vision. I only play SP games on my Console + TV and multiplayer games on my 1440p 144hz pc monitor.
v_iHuGi
Banned
Avengers has higher resolution on Ps5 actually, but it's a trash implementation of CB so it looks like shit.
Again show me with actual proof, 50 or more games.
I can find many evidences of Ps5 being superior but only 1 for Xbox (Hitman).
Waiting.
twilo99
Member
I didn't realize the actual pixel count was this big between 1080 and 1440. Thats huge
Silent Viper
Banned
Not into American TV shows(though i enjoyed Game of thrones for all the srx and nudity). I only like American porn and some Hollywood movies.
And some games ofcourse.
Internal resolution is 1080p incase of the game. On a 4k tv it will upscale to 4k resolution.
Your spin to defend PS version is weak. Devs made internal resolution 1080p to maintain stable 120fps. SX having higher memory bandwidth can handle higher resolution.
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mrBarrelNut
Member
It's not genuinely higher resolution on PS5 because checkerboarding and temporal reconstruction. XSX renders more new pixels per frame IIRC.
v_iHuGi
Banned
I'm talking about the tools and everyone expects the xsx to perform better than the ps5 by being more powerful. Come on Have you ever heard this story?
Calverz
Member
But 120fps on that tv is so good. I play siege on ps5 and its so smooth. Also i play xbox a lot. I want to return to prey but the series s is 900p 60fps whereas series x is 1440 60fps.
SilentUser
Member
The fanboyism here is borderline unbearable. Seems like people can't discuss things like adults, tons of fanboys everywhere acting like a teenager.
On topic, the difference in resolution is pretty big, no way around it. Though, other games, like CoD, performed better on PS5, so it does not seems to be a hardware limitation as of now, specially considering how this game isn't that demanding.
On topic, the difference in resolution is pretty big, no way around it. Though, other games, like CoD, performed better on PS5, so it does not seems to be a hardware limitation as of now, specially considering how this game isn't that demanding.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Mr Moose
Member
I think he meant the output resolution.
But it's blurry shit.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
This might also explain the Avengers situations. Avengers is very heavy on the CPU.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Rodney is the real goatI'll just be over here enjoying the native 4K/60...
I just upgraded to 27" 1440p from 24/1080 and the sharpness increase is way higher then I was expecting. 24" at 1080p looks great though.
Schmick
Member
1440p is definitely the sweet spot.
SilentUser
Member
Oh yeah, 1440p is simply perfect! Far superior than 1080p, no doubt about it. Actually 2160p is not needed imo, as 1440p is awesome by its own (and I game on a 55 inches 4k screen).
Edit: oops, some grammar mistake now corrected.
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why? (I say ... I know why it is for you, but I'd like to learn more)
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akaFullmetal
Member
4k 60FPS Tony Hawk, Yes please!!!
There is a trend that can be accepted or not and among other things, the% of difference are not even small. but I don't understand the usual excuses, once it's because BC games and cerny didn't throw enough magic into retro compatibility, once it's nextgen patch and the problem are the lazy devs ,they are the culprits of the lack of performance. give it a break
FrankieSab
Member
PS4 Pro didn't support 1440p resolution? You mean on these games? Come on, it was pratically a 1440p machine...
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Kagey K
Banned
I’ve been doing it wrong, I‘d just Google fat annoying guy and his gifs would pop up.
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
A couple of thoughts:
- The gameplay you've shared is running at an internal resolution of 1080p - not really comparable to running maxed out at 1440p.
- We can see that the GTX 1060 is maxed out during gameplay leading to a GPU bottleneck at 1080p (~99% GPU load for the majority of the video).
- On the plus side, the GPU in a PS5 is comparable in performance to an RTX 2080 whereas the video showcases GTX 1060.
- The CPU in use, Ryzen 3600 (6c/12t with a boost clock of 4.2 GHz), isn't comparable to the CPU we have in the PS5 (basically downclocked Ryzen 3700X 8c/16t with a boost clock of 3.5 GHz), but that's not really an issue for what's shown. The CPU has no trouble keeping up with the frames. This is a plus for PS5.
- He's running the game maxed out. What are the PC equivalent settings for PS5?
Same as with the previous video, there's a lot of false equivalency going on here:
- The gameplay is running at an internal resolution of 1440p is using the Medium quality preset whereas PS5 is probably a match for High/Maximum. Again, what is the PC equivalent settings for PS5?
- We see once more that the GTX 1060 is maxed out (~99% GPU load for the majority of the gameplay) which demonstrates GPU bottleneck at 1440p.
- Even then, a stable 120fps is never achieved and a majority of the 1440p gameplay hangs out in mid 90fps to high 80fps whenever there are average amounts of geometry on-screen. The only time it breaks into the 100fps is whenever there is very little geometry on display (going up a quarter-pipe on the edges of the map).
- Again, this is still a good thing for PS5 as its GPU is probably equivalent to an RTX 2080 or RX 6700XT.
- The i5 7500 is in use (4c/4t with a boost clock of 3.8 GHz) really isn't a match for the PS5 CPU (8c/16t with a boost clock of 3.5 GHz). This still isn't really an issue because there doesn't seem to be any indication of a CPU bottleneck during gameplay, just the GPU.
Anyway, the purpose of my original post was to call attention to possible CPU bottlenecks during gameplay caused by variable rate clock speeds. However, the videos you have provided clearly show that this is never really the case. Games are finally starting to make use of multi-thread/core techniques, but single core speed has traditionally been a large factor in determining how many fps you can get whenever the GPU is no longer a bottleneck. With the PS5, we have variable rate clock speeds so we can expect our CPU clock speed to go down as there is increased load on the GPU and vice-versa. As it stands, the single core speed on the PS5 (3.5 GHz at the highest) is pretty low by PC standards.
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FatKingBallman
Banned
I'm pretty sure that those which have both consoles will pick PS5 version because less hassle about upgrade and better gameplay experience with gamepad.
HoofHearted
Member
I, for one, am sorely disappointed in the lack of 800% zoomed comparisons in this thread...