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God of war most likely delayed to 2022
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Negotiator101
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
1) 6 games within the 8-month-period after launch. When was I arguing the length of the launch window?
2) That's subjective and depends on your preferences for the games. How is that relevant to the discussion? Personally, I'd take Ratchet and Returnal and Astrobot and Demon's Souls over the games you mentioned.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
We weren't discussing the quality of games. We were discussing that there are no next-gen exclusive games by Sony. We will have a total of 6 next-gen exclusive games within 8 months.
So how long is a console launch window? Does it just extend until some games are released? I always assumed it was the quarter it was released in.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
They had one of their best launches with titles in the last 2 generations, and are still coming out with Returnal, Rachet and maybe Horizon 2 this year as well......xbox......and well theres xbox.
abacab driver
Banned
You chose 8 months because that's when you're coincidentally getting your last big next gen exclusive for 2021 (Ratchet comes in June) now that GT7 and Ragnarok are gone.
And you chose to call it a 'launch window' to make it sound great compared to Microsoft's output so far without taking into account that they can put out 1 or two more next gen exclusives before July as well.
Who will have the better quality exclusives by the end of the year (a mere 4 months after your supposed 'launch window') remains to be seen.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Comparing with MS wasn't the main point. Again, the discussion was that Sony hasn't put out PS5 exclusive games -- which is not true. You want to go strictly to the console launch? We can go there.
At launch, Sony released 3 next-gen exclusive games: Astrobot, Demon's Souls and Godfall.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Personally, I believe it's 6 months. But in my earlier comment, I wasn't talking about the arbitrary 'launch window' -- because there is nothing definitive about it. My point was that we (so far) know that we will have 6 next-gen exclusive games in 8 months after console launch, which is great.
In fairness you did say "In the 8-month launch period". That in itself is an arbitrary timescale chosen by you.
I don't know if 6 Next Gen exclusives is good or bad, how is it compared to other "launches"?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
haven't they said it will be cross gen? at this moment they would loose a lot of money by not being cross gen
phat_crazy
Member
They haven't confirmed or denied cross gen. I wouldn't be surprised if it's cross gen. But going by Santa Monica's comments. the PS4 did them no favors. They had to cut a lot of content because of the PS4's hardware. Boss battles, story arcs, etc. According to Barlog, GOW was supposed to be a lot crazier but all we got was one major boss and a bunch of recycled enemies and mini bosses. I was also surprised by how dead the world was. Where were the people? Each realm was cool but were surprisingly boxed in. I expected more massive landscapes.
GOW: Ragnarok being cross gen would really limit how much better it can be than GOW and how amazing it could be in terms of gameplay. The graphics will be breathtaking but in terms of gameplay and everything else along with it, GOW: Raganrok will be a prettier GOW with some extra set pieces and maybe an extra boss.
The PS5 is not going to change the fact they have to account for the PS4's hardware and all of its limitations.
I have a strong feeling GOW: Ragnarok is PS5 exclusive hence it's mysterious logo reveal with 2021 and it being covered in secrecy ever since. I think the game will be the best looking game we have ever seen, and the gameplay will be far and above anything we have seen thus far. That's only if it's PS5 exclusive.
It's not always about maximizing money because that can reduce quality leading to a less than ideal outcome. Look at Cyberpunk. It would have been better off being a next gen only game. A next gen only GOW game will sell units period. Good luck finding a a PS5 when that game releases. People will spend 400/500 just to play Ragnarok, especially if the gameplay is a product of taking advantage of the PS5 hardware.
Sony and Santa Monica have a real chance to show what the PS5 is capable of not only from a graphics perspective but also from a gameplay perspective. I am confident that Moore's Law guy is right and the game approaches photo-realism. The PS5 patched GOW looks better than most of these so called next gen games. At least it does on my LG CX. It looks damn near photo realistic and this is on the PS4. Ragnarok will be leaps and bounds above that and my mind cannot process it. That's assuming it's PS5 exclusive. Otherwise it will still look incredible but will not look as amazing as a PS5 exclusive GOW and it will provide PS4 gameplay.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
now where you say lots of cut content. this is where I feel like the game could of been put together quickly by using all the cut content. obvs not what I would want.
I think with the comment of sony saying they will still release games on PS4 I see this as being one of them, just a hunch and no hard facts. I mean when they announced Spiderman MM there was no talk of it being on PS4 and last min they announced it and people on here weren't happy. I think there are to many PS4's in the wild for them to miss out on those sales
Entroyp
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As a customer I feel I don’t get the same quality of content on other platforms, regardless of the delay. There’s plenty more games coming.
On the other hand, I do feel I’m against SSM releasing the game on PS4 too since it will hinder its potential. If the delay takes care of that, fine by me, I’ll rather wait an extra year.
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Negotiator101
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Is Horizon 2 still coming this year? If so then GOW Ragnarok can be given more time, and will be better for it.
phat_crazy
Member
Yes but Spiderman released 2020. Assuming they started 2018 or even 2019 they didn't have much time to take advantage of the PS5 hardware. It also seems like the game started out as a DLC as Sony and Imnoniac said fuck it and turned it into a cross gen PS5 launch title with sneaky and deceptive marketing.
Ragnarok is a mystery. Spiderman MM has nothing to do with Ragnarok's development. Santa Monica has stated how the PS4 held them back. That's why there was only one big boss in GOW because one boss took nearly two years to make. I assume Santa Monica has been working on Ragnarok since the 1st half of 2018 when they most likely received their PS5 dev kits.
People have to realize these companies/corporations plan out these things many years in advance. Whether Ragnarok is PS5 exclusive has nothing to do with how many PS5 are out now or if Sony wants to make X amount of money because at the end of the day it is up to Santa Monica. Sony can intrude and try to persuade Santa Monica to make Ragnarok cross gen, but it's up to Santa Monica.
If Ragnarok is cross gen, no surprise, but I would be very disappointed because everyone will focus on the pretty graphics instead of the loss in terms of higher graphic fidelity and gameplay that is a direct product of taking advantage of the PS5 hardware as much as currently possible.
Even worse if it gets delayed to 2022. Delayed and cross gen? That makes my head hurt.
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Astral Dog
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It looks like 2021 also got infected with Covid 
phat_crazy
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I am confident GOW makes 2021 because
1) Santa Monica has most likely been working on this since the first half of 2018
2) Assuming it releases late 2021, that would give Santa Monica 3.5 years (nearly 4 years) of development time
3) Santa Monica's development cycle is usually 2-3 years. GOW took longer than that because of engine creation.
After the engine was created, a game of GOW's caliber only took Santa Monica 2.5 years to make
They already have the engine so even if it were PS5 exclusive, they would upgrade and tweak the engine to take advantage of the PS5 hardware instead of starting from scratch otherwise it's cross gen
4) They will also put any cut content (boss fights, scenarios, set pieces) in the game along with new ideas they came up with during development. They already had the sequel's story completed after GOW released. Don't see how that will influence the quality of the game.
4) Even with COVID and the developers working at home, whether or not it gets delayed depends on how much of the game was completed before COVID really took a toll on video game studios and the flow of development right now. Developers always talk about how the status of a game's release is a constant in real time situation. GOW could be good for 2021 up until it's final month before release when devs discover this or that bug and have to delay the game to 2022.
5)They announced 2021 near the end of the year, several months into COVID. A studio like Santa Monica, one of Sony's top studios, wouldn't announce 2021 unless they were confident they could make 2021 after seeing how COVID affected development several months in. However, things change, and COVID as of right now might have taken away that confidence and it's a we'll see thing. If it's not ready it's not ready.
Otherwise if it gets delayed I have already prepared myself for that unsurprising outcome.
1) Santa Monica has most likely been working on this since the first half of 2018
2) Assuming it releases late 2021, that would give Santa Monica 3.5 years (nearly 4 years) of development time
3) Santa Monica's development cycle is usually 2-3 years. GOW took longer than that because of engine creation.
After the engine was created, a game of GOW's caliber only took Santa Monica 2.5 years to make
They already have the engine so even if it were PS5 exclusive, they would upgrade and tweak the engine to take advantage of the PS5 hardware instead of starting from scratch otherwise it's cross gen
4) They will also put any cut content (boss fights, scenarios, set pieces) in the game along with new ideas they came up with during development. They already had the sequel's story completed after GOW released. Don't see how that will influence the quality of the game.
4) Even with COVID and the developers working at home, whether or not it gets delayed depends on how much of the game was completed before COVID really took a toll on video game studios and the flow of development right now. Developers always talk about how the status of a game's release is a constant in real time situation. GOW could be good for 2021 up until it's final month before release when devs discover this or that bug and have to delay the game to 2022.
5)They announced 2021 near the end of the year, several months into COVID. A studio like Santa Monica, one of Sony's top studios, wouldn't announce 2021 unless they were confident they could make 2021 after seeing how COVID affected development several months in. However, things change, and COVID as of right now might have taken away that confidence and it's a we'll see thing. If it's not ready it's not ready.
Otherwise if it gets delayed I have already prepared myself for that unsurprising outcome.
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Astral Dog
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i hope it still comes to PS4
Gamerguy84
Member
Everything is kind of a wreck at the moment. They would never admit but could be pushing it back because of installed base.
I wouldn't want to release a heavy hitter when people can't buy it, and would be considered older when people finally can get them.
PS had such huge momentum coming out the gate they could have sold 20 million worldwide if they could make them.
This has been like a gift for MS honestly. Halo pushed back a year and no next gen games, then everything gets shut down and no one can get chips. So get caught with your pants down and a free year of the other guy not being able to capitalize on it.
I wouldn't want to release a heavy hitter when people can't buy it, and would be considered older when people finally can get them.
PS had such huge momentum coming out the gate they could have sold 20 million worldwide if they could make them.
This has been like a gift for MS honestly. Halo pushed back a year and no next gen games, then everything gets shut down and no one can get chips. So get caught with your pants down and a free year of the other guy not being able to capitalize on it.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
If it is delayed and still comes to PS4, Playstation will never live down "We Believe in Generations".
phat_crazy
Member
You're acting as if there won't be install base issues well into the first half of 2022. If that's the case Sony would wait until late 2022. Unacceptable.
Medical supplies will take precedence for sea travel. Silicone part shortages and AMD warning there might be shortage problems into the first half of 2022. Sony wants Ragnarok for Holiday 2021 since they will most likely jam pack most of their units for then. Ragnarok will be the seller, especially if it's PS5 exclusive. Long term the game will be a monster but it will be boom and bust until the install base stabilizes and that not be until the second half of 2022. If it get's delayed no surprise at least the fidelity will be that much better.
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Gamerguy84
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That was just a theory. What made me think that it might have something to do with it is actually GT.
GoW is just not ready is the problem. We've seen nothing suggesting it is. I wish it was but it isn't. This game is my most wanted game along with Horizon atm.
It sucks.
phat_crazy
Member
You're basing your conclusion based on the same information everyone else has. 2021 and a logo. People choose one reason as to why that's the case and everyone jumped on the bandwagon without contemplating other reasons for why that's the case. Santa Monica makes games in 2-3 years. Exception was GOW because of engine creation but they made the actual game in 2.5 years. They got 3.5 years with Ragnarok and an engine that has already been made. You better hope Ragnarok makes it because I could care less about Horizon in comparison. Think about it. If the game is not ready, that means it is not even in development but in pre-production because of a logo and year. By that logic it wouldn't even make the first half of 2022. It would be a late 2022/first half 2023 game at best.
Doubt a studio like Santa Monica would do that after having several months of analyzing COVID's affect on their development. They could have easily just shown GOW if they were indecisive of release date. If we don't hear anything about a delay from now until the next Sony showcase, I'm confident GOW is making 2021. They will save its gameplay reveal for then and announce the release date. More than halfway through the year would be too late to announce a delay as it would cause a lot of outrage, especially if it gets delayed. I would be surprised if they show anything before that but Cory is teasing they might with his line on twitter but he's most likely trolling.
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Hitchyhero
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Game would have never come out this year.... Covid or not.
It was only announced to get people hyped and buy the new console.
It was only announced to get people hyped and buy the new console.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
It better be a simultaneous PS5/PC release then.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
the talk of PS4 holding them back I think is PR talk, after all the talk of the PS5 not having limits in terms of game design has been talked about from the top. So they have to have their own studios push that narrative to. I mean until we see the game we won’t know, it’s not like they couldn’t of made god of war open world or anything on PS4 is it? We have large open world games already.
fluid load times I will say yeah that will be massively different. I will say I ain’t the biggest foe of war fan but I do look forward to seeing what they do with it
phat_crazy
Member
That's not PR talk that's facts
The game will will heavily held back by the PS4 if it's cross gen
It will be GOW with prettier graphics.
The official teaser said "2021" so, yes its a delay.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So what do you expect to be drastically different with the new god of war that wasn’t able to be done with the last god of war?
phat_crazy
Member
A step up above GOW I guess
Larger unprecedented set pieces obviously
Gameplay sequences or ideas that would not be possible on the PS4
More than one major boss fight with more enemy variety
Fully destructible environments or close to it
Some other ideas that weren't possible on the PS4 e.g. being punched by Thor into another realm, level changing due to destruction leading to interesting platforming dynamics during boss fights or other features that take advantage of the SSD and that Oodle tech
A couple of other cool ideas Santa Monica can come up with in terms of gameplay using the PS5's technology e.g. cool ideas with time travel in real time
The scope of the game will be the same if it's cross gen because it will be held back by the same lowest common demoninator hardware
At least with the PS5, Santa Monica will only be limited by their imagination and what they can come up with
Look at Spiderman Miles Morales. Yes it had pretty graphics but from a gameplay perspective it wasn't much of a step above Spiderman PS4 in terms of gameplay
People focus completely on graphics but don't think of the new gaming possibilities or enhancements the PS5's technology will provide for exclusives.
That's what I want for Ragnarok because Santa Monica, if Ragnarok is PS5 exclusive, will push the PS5 to its limits early on
Can't fully take advantage of the technology if you are also worrying about being limited by what the PS4 can't handle.
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phat_crazy
Member
There won't be an install base in the first half of 2022 either. Might as well release it this year for the holidays and stock pile units for then if it is ready to go.
Shmunter
Member
Too true, the fantasy setting is truly limitless in potential, the mind boggles.
SSfox
Member
Indeed, and if it's a thing they use that time to make some more post game content.
phat_crazy
Member
It being next gen has nothing to do with how many PS5s are out there now. That decision would have been made years ago. AMD has already stated shortages will continue into the first half of 2022.
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abacab driver
Banned
Unless it was..cross-gen..
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THEAP99
Banned
I really find that hard to believe when sony emphasized generations with the build up to the ps5 reveal and with the ps4 and ps3 despite low install base or shortages etc had next gen only games right away
Elektro Demon
Banned
It doesn't even make sense to put it out this year because of the shortages of ps5's.
phat_crazy
Member
All PS5 exclusive games coming out this year would be cross gen but are they?
Are returnal or ratchet and clank on the ps4?
It is up to the developers
Did Sony or Santa Monica predict COVID and its global affect in 2018?
What is happening now has nothing to do with whether or not GOW is PS5 exclusive
That decision was already made years ago with multiple factors going into it
It's not just money money money
Sony is not going to make Santa Monica create a product they don't want to, and if that means ditching the PS4, they will do it and already made the decision of whether or not to years ago
Sony also knows they need flagship titles that will make you want to get a PS5 since it can't be found anywhere else other than maybe PC
If GOW is cross gen no surprise there either but that would be disappointing and limit the scope of the game and what they can do gameplay wise.
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WelshBluebird
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It isn't really delayed if it was never going to be out this year anyway (which is likely).
The only talk of a 2021 date for it was basically people hoping.
The only talk of a 2021 date for it was basically people hoping.
phat_crazy
Member
There will be shortages throughout the first half of 2022
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