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[FatKingBallman]

Just going up that the cpu are physically identical and develop by the manufacturer in the same foundry ... and that the gpu performs better (as in the DF test it shows performance almost like the difference of specs) ... I wonder what bottlenecks you are looking for. at 99.9% it is little optimization by devs or immature tools

In photomode with Ray Tracing, but i don't play photomode. There is no CPU bottlenecks in photomode testing because CPU usage is miniscule. Immature tools. LOL. Don't blame me about CPU bottlenecks in other games, Nxgamer and Leviathan claimed that there are possible CPU bottlenecks in XSX.

As I pointed out previously the section in the video were DF mentioned bottlenecks the series x managed to get a few FPS better performance but yet Sony fans presumed that it was pointed towards the x and not both consoles were it was.

Yes, surely Alex pointed out to Xbox because in same scene XSX dropped to same fps as PS5. Also, Alex should know that CPU usage in photomode is miniscule.

 

[phil_t98]

In photomode with Ray Tracing, but i don't play photomode. There is no CPU bottlenecks in photomode testing because CPU usage is miniscule. Immature tools. LOL. Don't blame me about CPU bottlenecks in other games, Nxgamer and Leviathan claimed that there are possible CPU bottlenecks in XSX.



Yes, surely Alex pointed out to Xbox because in same scene XSX dropped to same fps as PS5. Also, Alex should know that CPU usage in photomode is miniscule.

both were running 45FPS in photo mode and Xbox went up more FPS Alex didn’t point out any console. Watch it

 

[Riky]

You showed exactly my point.

DMCV
- Normal mode: 8% advantage for Xbox
- Performance mode: 10-20% advantage to PS5
- RT Normal mode
- RT Performance Mode: tie

Watch Dogs
- Tie

CoD
- PS5 advantage with no drop (unless you get a bug that disable DRS and render at native 4k)
- PS5 has better effects

Don’t you see the bootleneck of a 12TFs GPU with these results?

PS. Whi is making stuff showing false data? Because I had to correct you again with results data lol

Nope you're wrong again.

Watch the DF video again on DMC5, both the RT modes the Xbox has a constant advantage, even the 120hz mode where PS5 does better in the gameplay when the like for like scenes are on Xbox wins, they even show on screen the average frame rate across the test was identical. So PS5 doesn't actually win any of them.

Watch Dogs is equal, bit since it's locked to 30fps it's pretty irrelevant.

Vgtech didn't do the cutscene DRS bug, so wrong again, you can see by the dropped amount of frames.

Keep digging

 

[MonarchJT]

Yeah. We really won't have anything close to a truly clear picture until mid-2022, maybe even end of 2022. When we reach the point where everything is built for Series and PS5 from the ground up.

These early returns are interesting, though, and I like keeping track of them, but we have a long way to go before either console is clearly a "winner."



Your other account got banned for console warring, eh? I wonder how long this one will last.



Are they? I thought one is clocked higher, and the other has better cache. Is that wrong?

Yes. the clock diff is nothing of special but is there.The cpu in the ps5 goes to 3.5 GHz with smt always active .. the one in the xsx goes to 3.6 GHz but has the possibility to disable the smt in that case it reaches 3.8 ghz .. About the cache we know that it has 1/3 less L3 than a desktop cpu... but being declared a server class the doubt came about the cache cut. Microsoft replied that the cache in question works differently and that it was amd who had to explain how. AMD never commented on this

 

[MonarchJT]

You showed exactly my point.

DMCV
- Normal mode: 8% advantage for Xbox
- Performance mode: 10-20% advantage to PS5
- RT Normal mode
- RT Performance Mode: tie

Watch Dogs
- Tie

CoD
- PS5 advantage with no drop (unless you get a bug that disable DRS and render at native 4k)
- PS5 has better effects

Don’t you see the bootleneck of a 12TFs GPU with these results?

PS. Whi is making stuff showing false data? Because I had to correct you again with results data lol

no absolutely not lol

 

[phil_t98]

Nope you're wrong again.

Watch the DF video again on DMC5, both the RT modes the Xbox has a constant advantage, even the 120hz mode where PS5 does better in the gameplay when the like for like scenes are on Xbox wins, they even show on screen the average frame rate across the test was identical. So PS5 doesn't actually win any of them.

Watch Dogs is equal, bit since it's locked to 30fps it's pretty irrelevant.

Vgtech didn't do the cutscene DRS bug, so wrong again, you can see by the dropped amount of frames.

Keep digging

Didn’t watchdogs have ray tracing differences on ps5 to?

 

[Riky]

Jesus Christ they are making analysis videos of the analysis videos to try get the win

It's pathetic, I can't believe people actually can even pretend to take this seriously

 

[FatKingBallman]

both were running 45FPS in photo mode and Xbox went up more FPS Alex didn’t point out any console. Watch it

It did. Alex talked about if they dropped the res to 1080p and unlock the fps to 60 and looking at these numbers, Alex think that XSX can run in most scenarios 60fps, but PS5 obviously can't. Just before that scene shows up. Alex, since PS5 already was at 45 and it can't run higher obviously, but XSX can according to his words, he surely pointed out to XSX CPU part where he thinks it's a bottleneck.

 

[phil_t98]

It did. Alex talked about if they dropped the res to 1080p and unlock the fps to 60 and looking at these numbers, Alex think that XSX can run in most scenarios 60fps, but PS5 obviously can't. Just before that scene shows up. Alex, since PS5 already was at 45 and it can't run higher and obviously at 60, but XSX can according to his words, he surely pointed out to XSX CPU part where he thinks it's a bottleneck.

so the ps5 can’t run it like the Xbox can?

 

[FatKingBallman]

so the ps5 can’t run it like the Xbox can?

According to his words, yes.

 

[phil_t98]

According to his words, yes.

Fair enough, I wouldn’t read to much into it as games are not even programmed for next gen properly yet and not using all of the new features of both consoles

 

[Mr Moose]

Nope you're wrong again.

Watch the DF video again on DMC5, both the RT modes the Xbox has a constant advantage, even the 120hz mode where PS5 does better in the gameplay when the like for like scenes are on Xbox wins, they even show on screen the average frame rate across the test was identical. So PS5 doesn't actually win any of them.

You should Tweet them and tell them to amend their article then.

In normal mode, Xbox Series X is consistently faster than PlayStation 5 but only in single digit percentage terms - around eight per cent.

Xbox retains an advantage in cutscenes and in some gameplay content, but again, the boost is typically small. Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent that Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.

And again, perhaps it's down to the dynamic nature of gameplay where like-for-like, pixel-for-pixel matched content is not possible, but there do seem to be some areas where PlayStation 5 enjoys its own tiny lead. The overall takeaway here is that both systems are essentially like-for-like.

On paper, Xbox has a lead - but it is vanishingly small - and in matched like-for-like content, PS5 actually manages to match Xbox performance for much of the duration, while in other scenes it's just 2-3fps behind.

 

[FatKingBallman]

Fair enough, I wouldn’t read to much into it as games are not even programmed for next gen properly yet and not using all of the new features of both consoles

Of course i wouldn't read to much into it because this is photomode benchmark with Ray Tracing only where only GPU is stressed and it barely reach 60. IMO game won't be 1080p/60 with RT if you include shooting, alpha effects, enemies, physics and whatnot even on XSX.

 

[Riky]

Didn’t watchdogs have ray tracing differences on ps5 to?

Yeah the puddles were missing.

 

[Physiognomonics]

It did. Alex talked about if they dropped the res to 1080p and unlock the fps to 60 and looking at these numbers, Alex think that XSX can run in most scenarios 60fps, but PS5 obviously can't. Just before that scene shows up. Alex, since PS5 already was at 45 and it can't run higher obviously, but XSX can according to his words, he surely pointed out to XSX CPU part where he thinks it's a bottleneck.

What he thinks is bullshit. The CPU is barely used in the photo mode in that game. We know this from a guy who actually profiled that game on a devkit.

 

[Riky]

You should Tweet them and tell them to amend their article then.

In normal mode, Xbox Series X is consistently faster than PlayStation 5 but only in single digit percentage terms - around eight per cent.

Xbox retains an advantage in cutscenes and in some gameplay content, but again, the boost is typically small. Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent that Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.

And again, perhaps it's down to the dynamic nature of gameplay where like-for-like, pixel-for-pixel matched content is not possible, but there do seem to be some areas where PlayStation 5 enjoys its own tiny lead. The overall takeaway here is that both systems are essentially like-for-like.

On paper, Xbox has a lead - but it is vanishingly small - and in matched like-for-like content, PS5 actually manages to match Xbox performance for much of the duration, while in other scenes it's just 2-3fps behind.

I don't need to, you missed out this bit

"Xbox seems to have a consistent - if very small - advantage in three of the four modes, while its inconsistency in the high frame-rate mode is puzzling to say the least."

So as I was responding to someone claiming the RT modes were better on PS5, I was totally correct.

 

[Mr Moose]

I don't need to, you missed out this bit

"Xbox seems to have a consistent - if very small - advantage in three of the four modes, while its inconsistency in the high frame-rate mode is puzzling to say the least."

So as I was responding to someone claiming the RT modes were better on PS5, I was totally correct.

There's a small advantage from 3% to 8% in the different RT modes for series X, PS5 has the advantage in the higher fps mode. The RT stuff is to be expected since it's something to do with their (AMD) CUs(?) which will be slightly offset by the higher clocks of the PS5.
Either way, they are close enough to each other for people not to care (in all games not just DMC 5), trading blows with each other, but I do love a good console war

 

[Old Empire.]

Jesus christ.... DF really went full retard on this one to push that W for a MS platform.

Kingtrash lost all credibility when he claimed Hitman ran like trash on Xbox and DF lied. Later to find out he fucked up his so-called analysis and was embarrassed by DF on twitter over it. Guess he still at posting fake videos.

 

[driqe]

Jesus christ.... DF really went full retard on this one to push that W for a MS platform.

(3) Tweets with replies by kingthrash (@DoWhatYouDo6) / Twitter

Please post this dudes shit as fact again

 

[Aguero9320]

Kingtrash lost all credibility when he claimed Hitman ran like trash on Xbox and DF lied. Later to find out he fucked up his so-called analysis and was embarrassed by DF on twitter over it. Guess he still at posting fake videos.

“King thrash” had no credibility to begin with

 

[ethomaz]

Nope you're wrong again.

Watch the DF video again on DMC5, both the RT modes the Xbox has a constant advantage, even the 120hz mode where PS5 does better in the gameplay when the like for like scenes are on Xbox wins, they even show on screen the average frame rate across the test was identical. So PS5 doesn't actually win any of them.

Watch Dogs is equal, bit since it's locked to 30fps it's pretty irrelevant.

Vgtech didn't do the cutscene DRS bug, so wrong again, you can see by the dropped amount of frames.

Keep digging

Dude c’mon.

Devil May Cry 5: Special Edition - the first PS5 vs Xbox Series X platform comparison

It's finally happening. Ever since Microsoft and Sony revealed the hardware specifications of Xbox Series X and PlaySta…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[ethomaz]

no absolutely not lol

You read the DF article or video... It used even their own %.
Facts.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Folks thinking Alex, Richard and the crew have credibility when they slut themselves to MS.

Those in the know, with in the need-to-know basis info know the real story.

Somehow Kingthrash the threat that gets you all mad? Enough said...

 

[Concern]

Folks thinking Alex, Richard and the crew have credibility when they slut themselves to MS.

For those in the know, with in the need-to-know basis info know the real story.

Somehow Kingthrash the threat that gets you all mad? Enough said...

Damn i was back on page 11. No way was I going to read through all that spinning.

King trash a "threat" with 9k subscribers?

Just when I thought you guys couldn't go any lower with the hot takes....

 

[polybius80]

Kingtrash lost all credibility when he claimed Hitman ran like trash on Xbox and DF lied. Later to find out he fucked up his so-called analysis and was embarrassed by DF on twitter over it. Guess he still at posting fake videos.

I dont know if he has credibility or not but at least the video is a legitimate criticism, its true there are differences in RT favoring PS5 not as notorious as call of duty but its there

Even a Broken Clock Is Right Twice a Day

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Folks thinking Alex, Richard and the crew have credibility when they slut themselves to MS.

For those in the know, with in the need-to-know basis info know the real story.

Somehow Kingthrash the threat that gets you all mad? Enough said...

King Thrash and MBG are okay to cite on here, Timdog and Colt Eastwood aren't. Am I getting that right?

Praise Be To Sony.

Praise Be To Sony.

Praise Be To Sony.

I dont know if he has credibility or not

His upload history shows majority of MS bashing clickbait titles and tryhard thumbnails. I'll pass.

 

[bender]

My money is on King Thrash with an easy win versus anyone at DF in a rap battle.

 

[THEAP99]

I reported this post because this should be a bannable offense
If you even read what those tweets said you wouldnt have the nuts to post them.

Cry me a river and spare me the bullshit, please.

 

[THEAP99]

Digital Foundry cry on twitter about the consoles war yet stuff like this fuels it. Is there an issue with that? No absolutely not. The Series X is the superior made hardware, this has been known and it makes sense considering it's 100 bucks more than the ps5.

That being said, DG need to stop acting like victims and just accept that they're used by both sides for the console war.

 

[pixelbox]

This is kinda interesting.

 

[longdi]

I'll remember your posts.

"Imo MS locking at sustained speeds is a mistake to be corrected"

Yes after more thoughts. the variable speeds are good for cross gen games, but as i said, once all parts of the systems are pushed, i like to see the difference between something that was designed for sustained vs variable.

 

[sendit]

This is kinda interesting.

Wait for the tools to improve please.

 

[Self]

The Series X is the superior made hardware, this has been known and it makes sense considering it's 100 bucks more than the ps5.

That's the thing under discussion though. A 'superior' hardware should overtrump a inferior hardware on a constant basis. What we see instead is that a 'inferior' hardware is outsmarting the 'superior' one on a constant basis.

This may change in the future... or it may not.

 

[Riky]

Folks thinking Alex, Richard and the crew have credibility when they slut themselves to MS.

Those in the know, with in the need-to-know basis info know the real story.

Somehow Kingthrash the threat that gets you all mad? Enough said...

Well he's obviously a bastion of neutrality. But in the rush to attack DF because they have proven the Xbox GPU is superior people are forgetting the information on the identical settings was actually supplied by the developer, the people who made the game.
Incredible that a few loony fanboys think they can prove the developer wrong about their own game that's the sort of mental illness were dealing with, pathetic.

 

[FatKingBallman]

What he thinks is bullshit. The CPU is barely used in the photo mode in that game. We know this from a guy who actually profiled that game on a devkit.

Of course. I've mentioned numerous times that CPU usage is miniscule. Just pointed out what Alex has said

 

[BouncyFrag]

Legendary thread.

 

[FatKingBallman]

But in the rush to attack DF because they have proven the Xbox GPU is superior

LOL. Superior. Yeah, in photomode

 

[Riky]

There's a small advantage from 3% to 8% in the different RT modes for series X, PS5 has the advantage in the higher fps mode. The RT stuff is to be expected since it's something to do with their (AMD) CUs(?) which will be slightly offset by the higher clocks of the PS5.
Either way, they are close enough to each other for people not to care (in all games not just DMC 5), trading blows with each other, but I do love a good console war

I've already explained this once but I'll do it again, I was specifically answering a point about RT modes, you actually agree with me. Some fool was basically lying saying the RT modes ran better on PS5, as you say yourself, they don't he was making it up.

 

[FranXico]

Jesus Christ they are making analysis videos of the analysis videos to try get the win

Analysis video of an analysis video of a photo mode made to try to get a win.

Yes, it already was silly to begin with.

 

[Riky]

LOL. Superior. Yeah, in photomode

Please try and think, photomode is the just how the glitch to unlock the frame rate is obtained, it's not that photomode in itself is important.

 

[FatKingBallman]

Please try and think, photomode is the just how the glitch to unlock the frame rate is obtained, it's not that photomode in itself is important.

Well, please try and think about XSX GPU superiority. Thanks

 

[Panajev2001a]

Please try and think, photomode is the just how the glitch to unlock the frame rate is obtained, it's not that photomode in itself is important.

You are unlocking the framerate in mode of the game (Photomode) that is otherwise static, but it gives a win so it is where the circling of the wagons occurs.

 

[Riky]

Well, please try and think about XSX GPU superiority. Thanks

I don't need to, DF have just proven it beyond doubt.

 

[FatKingBallman]

I don't need to, DF have just proven it beyond doubt.

Yeah, in photomode where everything is static. But gameplay is another thing. So, much about superiority

 

[MonarchJT]

Please try and think, photomode is the just how the glitch to unlock the frame rate is obtained, it's not that photomode in itself is important.

he don't have a clue why DF did this ....and since he doesn't understand it And ESPECIALLY his beloved console by preference is a big loser he is angry with DF

 

[Panajev2001a]

I don't need to, DF have just proven it beyond doubt.

What DF proved is that there is a scenario where XSX’s GPU pulls ahead which is a statement nobody refused ever.

 

[Riky]

he don't have a clue why DF did this ....and since he doesn't understand it And ESPECIALLY his beloved console by preference is a big loser he is angry with DF

Exactly.

All those people who have parroted the stupidity of " but you don't play photomode" haven't understood what they watched and what it actually means.

 

[Riky]

What DF proved is that there is a scenario where XSX’s GPU pulls ahead which is a statement nobody refused ever.

Nobody? Really? I remember one guy who constantly claimed that the Xbox GPU was in fact a badly designed server blade. I can pull up all the quotes if you like, but we both know I don't need to.

 

[FranXico]

What DF proved is that there is a scenario where XSX’s GPU pulls ahead which is a statement nobody refused ever.

Just like the Skyrim video showed a scenario where the PS5 performed a bit better.
Mere curiosity, nothing more.

 

[SatansReverence]

Yeah, in photomode where everything is static. But gameplay is another thing. So, much about superiority

Care to explain to us all how the XSX can display the same static scene at a higher frame rate than the PS5?