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[ethomaz]

So a benchmark that confirms everything that we knew about the GPU differences?

Remedy should give the XSX a full 60 mode its hovering close enough a relaxed DSR could get this game that high.

This generation/forum is going to get really messy as more games take advantage of the extra power available to the XSX.
Im probably gonna have to take self imposed ban whenever a big multiplatform title shows up.

You are taking a static photo mode without gameplay processing as a case for Remedy create a 60fps mode with lower resolution?

I’m interested to see if that will work and how much they will need to drop the resolution to get close to 60fps.

 

[martino]

Games can't be designed with VRR in mind. You can't expect devs to cater to roughly 2% of gamers and give the rest of the 98% an unstable game.

we are only asking for a mode to unlock framerate....not to design the game for it
clearly the most difficult thing to do /s

 

[CurtBizzy]

Tower of power strikes again and all that..

You forgot this is Photo mode, so this picture is a better fit

 

[Mister Wolf]

Games can't be designed with VRR in mind. You can't expect devs to cater to roughly 2% of gamers and give the rest of the 98% an unstable game.

They were releasing games like GOW, Horizon, MHW, and others with unlocked framerate modes last gen with no VRR. What's the difference?

 

[FrankWza]

Most powerful photo mode-er...ever

 

[Imtjnotu]

If you count photo mode as a win buy a camera

 

[HoofHearted]

 

[Spokker]

It drop 2 frames?
OMG stop the presses

The Xbox Series X should not be dropping any frames, nor is a tie on Series X a win.

 

[ethomaz]

You forgot this is Photo mode, so this picture is a better fit

Perfection.

 

[Rea]

308mm2 btw

Source?

 

[M_A_C]

You are taking a static photo mode without gameplay processing as a case for Remedy create a 60fps mode with lower resolution?

I’m interested to see if that will work and how much they will need to drop the resolution to get close to 60fps.

Again DF is showing how big of a joke they are. Photomode? Seriously

 

[ethomaz]

But they don't have Defense Force units. They live in the own world basically.

That was before Switch... after Swtich they are very vocal in all financials and sales threads... they claim and fight for the best sales, revenue, profit, etc.

There are not in DF threads for obvious reasons.

PS. They were vocal with Wii too.

 

[Heisenberg007]

They were releasing games like GOW, Horizon, MHW, and others with unlocked framerate modes last gen with no VRR. What's the difference?

Horizon was locked 30, right? New GOW was locked 30, too.

Anyway, I think performance and frame rates have become a bigger concern nowadays. Optimization is more important than ever. FPS is a bigger focus. That's why people are demanding 60 FPS and 120 FPS modes. Console manufacturers and developers are also responding to those demands.

I think it doesn't make sense to piss off 98% of people to make 2% marginally happier.

 

[Mmnow]

It is similar to Apple in that regard. Basically Sony was successful over several generations creating a bunch of zealous people.

Interesting thing is that Nintendo did not have these groups - probably because it's main community either younger or older.

Nintendo was just as bad until the Wii came ou, then they just kinda stopped competing. They're neutral in the great console wars.

They're cruising off nostalgia, price and sticky-back plastic. It's amazing to watch them succeed, but completely inexplicable.

 

[x@3f*oo_e!]

Source?

Dude the thing has been out for months. Multiple people are taking the thing apart on video, changing the paste etc. The fucking video is from playstation.

You do the math. Are you trolling?

 

[FatKingBallman]

ps2 was used as a mop by xbox and gamecube. xbox 360 was doing circles around ps3. The only anomaly was with the ps4 vs xbox one.

Actually, PS3 was an anomaly too

 

[Heisenberg007]

You forgot this is Photo mode, so this picture is a better fit

Genius! Haha

 

[Sony]

This is quite significant. To quote Dictator on Era:

Just to put it out there, the one scene that is in the 30s is the only scene that was in the 30s on XSX. The Corridor of Doom is not representative of the majority load that the game experience. So VRR would not fix the Corridor of Doom on either console (which is so stupidly expensive on every platform), but on XSX, VRR would actually offer a meaningful improvement over the 30 fps lock I feel. XSX spends a lot of scenes in 50s.

Meaning that an unlocked framerate could benefit Series X owners with VRR compatible monitors/ TV's.

 

[Topher]

Just here for the salt.



Looks like the cache scrubbers didn't pull through this time. Needs more Cerny sauce.

Sony has an agreement with the Cache Scrubber's Union to allow for breaks during photo mode so....

 

[Heisenberg007]

If you count photo mode as a win buy a camera

Even the photo mode and photos will be exactly the same. Both consoles use the same res, settings, and textures. It is the frame rates in the photo mode that will be different

 

[Mister Wolf]

Horizon was locked 30, right? New GOW was locked 30, too.

Anyway, I think performance and frame rates have become a bigger concern nowadays. Optimization is more important than ever. FPS is a bigger focus. That's why people are demanding 60 FPS and 120 FPS modes. Console manufacturers and developers are also responding to those demands.

I think it doesn't make sense to piss off 98% of people to make 2% marginally happier.

Both GOW and Horizon have unlocked framerate modes.

 

[CeeJay]

He will call it is a Japanese engine.

This video is actually interesting because it shows there are some bottleneck (probably CPU?) in Series X that doesn’t allow to use the GPU power.

We are speculation that in others games without evidence... this video is the first real evidence of Series X being bottlenecked.

PS. Thinking a bit about that can be the reason that even having a stronger GPU the power draw is similar in gaming.

Maybe the bottleneck is self inflicted by the way the game was written?

Keep in mind that these are still last gen games built for last gen hardware. Maybe those bottlenecks that you are taking about are due to some features of the new hardware that is not being used optimally or at all. Once we get games built from the start for these new consoles we will get a better understanding of any bottlenecks. It's still way too early to be saying that the hardware in either console has bad bottlenecks from poor design.

 

[ethomaz]

This is quite significant. To quote Dictator on Era:


Meaning that an unlocked framerate could benefit Series X owners with VRR compatible monitors/ TV's.

He is right if the performance in Photo Mode is the same as in Gameplay.

That we know it is not.

 

[Shodan09]

Why am I not surprised that people are showing their ignorance on the fact that photo mode performance doesn’t translate 1:1 to moving gameplay.

Embarrassing. This is the problem with DF, they actually don’t know how engines work.

I'm not sure how much you know about engine culture (I'm an expert) but honour and shame etc etc...

 

[BusierDonkey]

This is easily my favorite gen in decades. The XSX and PS5 have already provided more entertainment value than the Xbone and PS4 ever could.

 

[Sony]

He is right of the performance in Photo Mode is the same as in Gameplay.

That we know it is not.

That 'we' assume it is not or we know it is not?

 

[silent head]

You are taking a static photo mode without gameplay processing as a case for Remedy create a 60fps mode with lower resolution?

I’m interested to see if that will work and how much they will need to drop the resolution to get close to 60fps

CPU bottleneck ?

So the series X can not reach 60 FPS

 

[ethomaz]

That 'we' assume it is not or we know it is not?

We have gameplay comparisons from the own Battalhia.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Both GOW and Horizon have unlocked framerate modes.

since when did horizon have unlocked frame rate on console?

 

[Spokker]

since when did horizon have unlocked frame rate on console?

Horizon had a quality and performance mode, but the performance mode was just to maintain a locked 30, not 60 fps.

 

[martino]

Horizon was locked 30, right? New GOW was locked 30, too.

Anyway, I think performance and frame rates have become a bigger concern nowadays. Optimization is more important than ever. FPS is a bigger focus. That's why people are demanding 60 FPS and 120 FPS modes. Console manufacturers and developers are also responding to those demands.

I think it doesn't make sense to piss off 98% of people to make 2% marginally happier.

you will not piss 98% of people by adding a choice to unlock framerate in games.
there is 0 % logic here. adding choices don't piss people....

 

[silent head]

Where is the 400% zoom?

 

[Interfectum]

Oh lord now we have a narrative the Series X CPU is bottlenecked...

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Heisenberg007]

you will not piss 98% of people by adding a choice to unlock framerate in games.
there is 0 % logic here. adding choices don't piss people....

A different / new / optional mode with unlocked frame rates, I agree.

Just to unlock frame rates in the current 30 FPS mode, I think it will be a bad idea.

 

[Mister Wolf]

since when did horizon have unlocked frame rate on console?

Horizon: Zero Dawn To Receive Performance Mode via Day One Patch For Smoother Framerates On PS4 Pro | Gamepur

And this was in an era where VRR wasn't even a consideration. There were plenty games in the past gen with unlocked framerate.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Both GOW and Horizon have unlocked framerate modes.

No. GOW has a 60 FPS mode on PS4 Pro. It doesn't hit 60 as well as it should, but it's a 1080p/60 FPS mode. Horizon doesn't have it. It's 30 FPS on both consoles.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

XSX is expected to win graphics head to heads. It should have always been winning, you can almost smell the relief in here.

 

[martino]

A different / new / optional mode with unlocked frame rates, I agree.

Just to unlock frame rates in the current 30 FPS mode, I think it will be a bad idea.

So we totally agree then.
And of course i agree if one most not be there it's unlocked for now.

 

[Mister Wolf]

No. GOW has a 60 FPS mode on PS4 Pro. It doesn't hit 60 as well as it should, but it's a 1080p/60 FPS mode. Horizon doesn't have it. It's 30 FPS on both consoles.

60 mode is an unlocked framerate. There is no Vsync. You do understand what VRR is for right?

 

[Romulus]

Actually, PS3 was an anomaly too

Not really, more of hype box for disgruntled fans that eventually got games with huge budgets that were ultra linear but nicely animated. Ps3 was the king of smoke and mirrors. Ps5 is more of an anomaly. It'll box with XSX all generation(and win alot) and the exclusives will set it further apart. Guerilla and ND with a gaming CPU? It's on.

 

[Insane Metal]

Finally. A clear win.

 

[Md Ray]

About what I expected from XSX before launch. 16% advantage on avg. over PS5 more or less.

 

[x@3f*oo_e!]

Where is the 400% zoom?

If whatever the fuck that is causes a 14% drop in fps, god help us all next gen..

 

[Rudius]

I'm pondering if I should stop playing in the hope of a 1080p60 ray-tracing mode. Got it on PS Plus and just started the game

 

[Evilms]

photo mode ? seriously

 

[FatKingBallman]

Not really, more of hype box for disgruntled fans that eventually got games with huge budgets that were ultra linear but nicely animated.

Yeah, because of Cell. But actually it was more powerful, but hard for gaming development.

 

[Spokker]

Horizon: Zero Dawn To Receive Performance Mode via Day One Patch For Smoother Framerates On PS4 Pro | Gamepur

That happened but it wasn't 60 fps.

 

[Mister Wolf]

That happened but it wasn't 60 fps.

VRR is exactly for "not 60" amongst other things.

 

[BbMajor7th]

Oh not only photo mode, they make a point of mentioning VRR too. Photo mode, in VRR :

I mean I watched the DF review of Destruction AllStars the other night where they spent a good few minutes just talking about the lack of VRR on PS5 and what a huge disappointment it was. I'm normally okay with DF, but I really did roll my eyes there. VRR is not a widely supported feature right now and arguably not a terribly important one to those who have it (I'd rather have steady frame rates than having to rely on VRR). I wouldn't be quite so bothered, but the fact that there's so little discussion of haptics and adaptive triggers, or the 1-2 second loading times that PS5 is pushing out in first party games (that everyone benefits from) while VRR has become the subject of every video is starting to put me off.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

At the end of the day if MS can deliver on 1st party titles, then I’ll get an X and buy multi platform games on whichever does best. I won’t care whose console that is.