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Microsoft is Looking to Make another Bethesda Size Acquisition

phil_t98

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FatKingBallman said:
And Sony bought after that thread what?
This is just a reactionary thread. Understandable. Of course everyone was pissed.
MS already bought Zenimax before that few days ago before that thread
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Again this is a rumour thread like that was a rumour thread but again fanboys going off on one. Look at the perspective of that thread and this thread
 
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FatKingBallman

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Gatox said:
I've seen this written a lot, but why does it matter if they had made games for Sony or MS before, why does that make it more palatable?
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It does matter. Insomniac already developed games exclusively for Sony for a veeery long time before acquisition . Same crap as Playground Games for Xbox. It's not a big deal. One dev studio is not the same as whole publisher. Zenimax has a developers with great history behind it and which games are multiplatform and are developed for many console generations. And guess what, MS bought the whole publisher.
 
Astorian

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BabyfaceRe said:
Sony literally cant respond. Sony's entire net worth is 45 billion, they are not in a position(and never will be) where they can drop 7.5 billion on buying a publisher . Microsoft is literally in a league of thier own ,all Sony and Nintendo can do is sit back and watch.
That's why phil said a long time ago thier real competitor's are amazing and google because they are the only ones who can compete on this monetary level.
The game pass bubble will inevitably burst but they've easily got enough steam to keep growing over this gen.
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You don’t really know what you’re talking about, do you? On top of Sony being over twice as big as the number you posted, that mostly doesn’t matter when it comes to acquisitions, Activision bought King for 6B and they are much smaller than Sony, the argument that Sony can’t buy big publishers have always been wrong and fanboyish in nature.
 
Bryank75

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They've been visiting Sega too much for it to be nothing..... I expect that to be the target. it's around 4 billion now and they probably want a premium over that bringing it up to Zenimax territory.

It's a bit pointless cause games like Yakuza and Persona were birthed and became successful because of the base on PlayStation and nobody is going to move to Xbox for them.

The example I'll give is Capcom said they'd bring all the RE games to Gamcube, do exclusive remasters and new games (RE4) ..... nobody moved to Gamecube, it sold only 22 million units.

Only other one would be CDPR.. that's about 7B now too.
 
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kuncol02

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yurinka said:
I'd say Valve. They almost don't develop games, but have some good IPs, would give MS almost the monopoly of the (western) PC game stores and a VR system or the Xbox.

Then there's WB games, they have some important dev studios, IPs and I assume decent pricing.

A 3rd option is CD Project, who still have to prove they can release a game on consoles that isn't basically broken, don't have any IP owned by them, only released a few gmes and their PC store is pretty small. But they sell many copies of their games, have potential to improve if they replace all their management team and their price should be pretty 'cheap' for MS after all this Cyberpunk launch debacle.
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There is no way someone would be able to buy Valve. As long as Gabe is alive it will be privately owned company.
WB Interactive is only few decent studios (nothing great published for long time) and no IPs (they would stay with cinema part of WB). They were also expensive when WB wanted to sell them.
CD Project is way to expensive for what they are. They are currently more expensive than whole Bethesda was ($8.2b current market cap).
 
martino

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Astorian said:
You don’t really know what you’re talking about, do you? On top of Sony being over twice as big as the number you posted, that mostly doesn’t matter when it comes to acquisitions, Activision bought King for 6B and they are much smaller than Sony, the argument that Sony can’t buy big publishers have always been wrong and fanboyish in nature.
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They could but they prefer to spend that money to lock as much as possible famous IPs not for sale.
 
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Gatox

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FatKingBallman said:
It does matter. Insomniac already developed games exclusively for Sony for a veeery long time before acquisition . Same crap as Playground Games for Xbox. It's not a big deal. One dev studio is not the same as whole publisher. Zenimax has a developers with great history behind it and which games are multiplatform and are developed for many console generations. And guess what, MS bought the whole publisher.
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Ok, so you`ve told me it matters again, but not actually why. All they ever were was a contractor working on a contract for a company, thats it. If another company offered them a contract then they would take that too. Now they cant. So I`ll ask again, why does it matter that they once worked for Sony/MS on a contract, why does that make purchasing them more palatable/less evil?
 
Andodalf

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kuncol02 said:
There is no way someone would be able to buy Valve. As long as Gabe is alive it will be privately owned company.
WB Interactive is only few decent studios (nothing great published for long time) and no IPs (they would stay with cinema part of WB). They were also expensive when WB wanted to sell them.
CD Project is way to expensive for what they are. They are currently more expensive than whole Bethesda was ($8.2b current market cap).
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With how AT&T is doing, I can see them moving the Studios + a strong IP deal (Think Sony's Spiderman Movie rights, they keep them as long as they use them) for only a bit more than the Beth deal
 
yurinka

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kuncol02 said:
There is no way someone would be able to buy Valve. As long as Gabe is alive it will be privately owned company.
WB Interactive is only few decent studios (nothing great published for long time) and no IPs (they would stay with cinema part of WB). They were also expensive when WB wanted to sell them.
CD Project is way to expensive for what they are. They are currently more expensive than whole Bethesda was ($8.2b current market cap).
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Gabe is 58 years old, so it's fair to assume he will retire in a few years. I assume he already is filthy rich, but he may want to become even more by selling the company before he retires.

I agree that CD Project is way overvalued, but depending how it ends the issues they have with even their investors suing them and so on it can really hurt them to the point that the company can end being in serious trouble and will need to sell it and replace management even if the game is selling very well.

Regarding WB, they were also overvalued. But I assume MS can reduce that price with a good negotiation. Sure, there are some studios that MS doesn't need them, so after the purchase they could sell them, or to shut them off and move all the people they can to the studios performing well. They have very important IPs and studios like Mortal Kombat and NetherRealm, which had insane sales with MKX and MK11 or the rights to work with Lego, Harry Potter, Shadow of Mordor/TLOR and DC (Batman, Justice League, Superman, etc) and teams like Rocksteady, Avalanche, Monolith or TT games who did great games with these IPs and/or are working on promising games with these IPs.
 
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Werewolfgrandma

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Triggerhappytel said:
I don't understand what your comment has to do with the rest of this conversation? On Demand rightly pointed out that Sony typically only buys studios with whom it has an extensive history, and usually after said developer had made several exclusives for them, whereas MS in the last few years has mostly bought developers who developed multi-platform titles. (Not that I think there is a problem with this because as I stated earlier, most of these devs like Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Double Fine and inXile needed the cash injection). You then intimated that they had been "partnered" for "like every Bethesda game", which only encompasses marketing deals and I don't even think is true for "every Bethesda game" given that includes stuff like Doom, Prey, Dishonored, Wolfenstein and Rage which I don't even think had first-party co-marketing.

You then said "lots of current first party studios were bought". Thank you for the information although I was already aware of that, however I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion. I think most reasonable people don't have an issue with most of the new studios MS bought a few years ago, for reasons pointed out above. However, buying a massive multi-billion dollar publisher who releases everything on all major platforms is a very different thing to buying a small AA or indie studio who was stuggling financially.
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I think you are making up the most probable reason for all those games Insomniac and others made for Sony and not others. The most probable reason is Sony paid them or made a deal in which they publish but not allowed on other platforms.
 
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FatKingBallman

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phil_t98 said:
What’s the difference both are rumours, so every time Microsoft does something Sony fans make reactionary threads? Lol

so they bomb Microsoft threads where there is good news and then make reactionary threads to it. 🙄🙄
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Where is the a tiny bit of rumor in OP in that thread? LOL

So, publisher acquisition is a good news?
 
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FatKingBallman

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Gatox said:
No you didn't, you told me it matters, you didn't tell me why it matters.
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I did. Because people here comparing some timed exclusives which Sony made recently to a publisher acquisition. I mean WTF.
And also, people saying here Sony bought studios before. Yes, he did. But majority of them before acquiring already developed games for Sony in the past, so nothing was lost, same as Playground Games for MS.
 
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BabyfaceRe

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Astorian said:
You don’t really know what you’re talking about, do you? On top of Sony being over twice as big as the number you posted, that mostly doesn’t matter when it comes to acquisitions, Activision bought King for 6B and they are much smaller than Sony, the argument that Sony can’t buy big publishers have always been wrong and fanboyish in nature.
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As much as that figure is wrong (I blame google and me rushing) the gap between them is still the same and so the point still stands.
It's not 'fanboyish' at all. Activision and Sony are in a very similar league but neither are in MS league.
The arguement is not that they cant make big purchases it's that they cannot compete with MS in that sense, which is completely accurate.
MS buying power makes Sony look like a toddler, 7.5 bil is a big deal for Sony and pocket change for MS. You'd be more likely to see MS make another purchase near that value this year than Sony to do anything close to that this entire gen. Sony lives and dies by its gaming division, if they could make these types of purchases easily they would have without a doubt.
 
xacto

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If Microsoft want to come on top of this one, they should straight up buy PlayStation division and be done with irrelevancy.
 
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Gatox

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FatKingBallman said:
I did. Because people here comparing some timed exclusives which Sony made recently to a publisher acquisition. I mean WTF.
And also, people saying here Sony bought studios before. Yes, he did. But majority of them before acquiring already developed games for Sony in the past, so nothing was lost, same as Playground Games for MS.
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Where, where did you explain why it matters. go on, show me where in this post you actually explained why it matters. I`ll make it easier for you by breaking down the post.

It does matter. Insomniac already developed games exclusively for Sony for a veeery long time before acquisition .
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So here you tell me it matters, because they developed exclusively for them before. No actual reason why the fact they developed for them before matters. No reason why the fact they had developed for other companies exclusively before mattered either.

. Same crap as Playground Games for Xbox. It's not a big deal. One dev studio is not the same as whole publisher. Zenimax has a developers with great history behind it and which games are multiplatform and are developed for many console generations. And guess what, MS bought the whole publisher.
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Then all this nonsense, once again no explanation as to why the fact Insomniac once developed for Sony makes any impact on why its better/not evil.

I`ll help you out here, there is no difference whatsoever. Just because a contractor once did a job for a company doesn't make an acquisition that then takes it away from any other company and more palatable...or any less evil or whatever you choose to believe. Its exactly the same. A company bought a contractor....thats it.
 
graywolf323

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phil_t98 said:
But...but playground make exclusive games for Xbox. Isn’t that how it works?
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I think his point was people weren't actually pissed about Playground, because they were very much in line with Sony's usual acquisitions like Insomniac where they buy studios they're closely affiliated with, the overall reaction to Playground being bought was "huh, Microsoft didn't own them already?"

it's definitely a false equivalency for anyone to try to claim the purchase of Bethesda is only on the level of Insomniac

Croatoan said:
How much is sony going for these days?
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Sony's market cap is in the 120 billions it looks like

FranXico said:
No, nobody was angry at MS buying Playground. What a ridiculous lie.
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I'm pretty sure F FatKingBallman was being sarcastic
 
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FatKingBallman

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Gatox said:
Then all this nonsense, once again no explanation as to why the fact Insomniac once developed for Sony makes any impact on why its better/not evil.

I`ll help you out here, there is no difference whatsoever. Just because a contractor once did a job for a company doesn't make an acquisition that then takes it away from any other company and more palatable...or any less evil or whatever you choose to believe. Its exactly the same. A company bought a contractor....thats it.
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I've told you why it does matter and why people here are doing comparisons.
Insomniac already made games for Sony for a very long time. Sony bought them, nothing was lost. Same as PlayGround Games for MS. And it made a very little impact in game industry.
On the other hand Zenimax has a developers with great history behind it and which games are multiplatform and are developed for many console generations.


phil_t98 said:
But...but playground make exclusive games for Xbox. Isn’t that how it works?
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Same as before acquisition. And no one was pissed. LOL
 
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FatKingBallman

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graywolf323 said:
I think his point was people weren't actually pissed about Playground, because they were very much in line with Sony's usual acquisitions like Insomniac where they buy studios they're closely affiliated with, the overall reaction to Playground being bought was "huh, Microsoft didn't own them already?"

it's definitely a false equivalency for anyone to try to claim the purchase of Bethesda is only on the level of Insomniac
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Spot on

Sorry for tripple posting. Hell, i didn't realized that i have a multiple cards opened on Chrome on mobile phone
 
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FranXico

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graywolf323 said:
I'm pretty sure F FatKingBallman F FatKingBallman was being sarcastic
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Noted.

FatKingBallman said:
Of course they were not. Look at post above you. Anyway, forgot to put :/ in previous post
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And I didn't read the sarcasm indeed, my apologies. Too many ridiculous and disingenuous takes in here, it's hard to tell when people are joking or being serious.



And the argument keeps going in circles.

People are saying "well duh, if Sony could do this they would".
OF COURSE THEY WOULD, NOBODY IS SAYING OTHERWISE.
But they can't. And I'm glad they can't. That means consumers have more power over Sony than they would otherwise.

How the hell does what Sony would do if they could make what MS really is doing OK?
 
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driqe

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what GIF


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Loope

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They're not going to buy another publisher this size. The ammount of studios they get with the Zenimax aquisition, plus the ones they already bought separately and formed, are more than enough. They're all working on games, just focus on those studios. Why buy more studios? It doesn't make any sense. To me personally is the same since they also come out on pc.
 
phil_t98

phil_t98

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graywolf323 said:
I think his point was people weren't actually pissed about Playground, because they were very much in line with Sony's usual acquisitions like Insomniac where they buy studios they're closely affiliated with, the overall reaction to Playground being bought was "huh, Microsoft didn't own them already?"

it's definitely a false equivalency for anyone to try to claim the purchase of Bethesda is only on the level of Insomniac


Sony's market cap is in the 120 billions it looks like


I'm pretty sure F FatKingBallman was being sarcastic
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Again studio Liverpool were producing games for other consoles befor Sony made them exclusive, remember Saturn version of wipeout the the N64

but yeah good guy Sony eh
 
Fredrik

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So no Sega then, any ideas what dev this could be about?
Or were they being outbid and this whole thing went poof today?
 
bxrz

bxrz

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Fredrik said:
So no Sega then, any ideas what dev this could be about?
Or were they being outbid and this whole thing went poof today?
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None and thats why I don't care for these rumors. Until I see a name or even a hint, its very "meh"
 
graywolf323

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phil_t98 said:
Again studio Liverpool were producing games for other consoles befor Sony made them exclusive, remember Saturn version of wipeout the the N64

but yeah good guy Sony eh
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how is Sony having bought Studio Liverpool ~25 years ago when they were first getting into video games the same as MS buying Bethesda & rumored to be looking to buy other publishers after having been in the video game industry for 20 years?

what is with this obsession with trying to excuse what Microsoft is doing? it's fine if you don't care because it doesn't effect you & you aren't worried about the future of the industry with consolidation accelerating but trying to justify it as if Microsoft is the 'good guy' is ridiculous or that somehow it's all Sony's fault for 'forcing' Phil Spencer to make these purchases
 
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