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[IntentionalPun]

The lowest end Nvidia 3000x gpu currently, the 3060ti, beats ps5 in performance. So it's not just the enthusiast, high end, and middle end PC with performance crown, but also the low end of PC gaming now. Pricing-wise, consoles will win in that regard. But you are also severely limited with what you can do on a console, vs a PC, which completely changes the dynamic of said price argument.

And you can have a PS5 DE for the same price as just this card.

Being the "lowest end 30 series card" from nVidia doesn't actually make that a low end PC card. That would be older cards, not current gen ones.

(I love my PC, but the PS5 / XSX are still a great value for what they are)

 

[MadchesterManc]

Are these like ampere teraflops? Ya know where a 20tf 3070 only competes with a 13tf 2080ti. 64tf seems a little less impressive if viewed from that angle

 

[Sun Blaze]

Ampere isn't even available to the masses and we're talking about GPU's that are 18+ months away?

 

[Sun Blaze]

Are these like ampere teraflops? Ya know where a 20tf 3070 only competes with a 13tf 2080ti. 64tf seems a little less impressive if viewed from that angle

In compute workloads and other productivity apps, the 3070 mops the floor with the 2080 Ti.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

And you can have a PS5 DE for the same price as just this card.

Being the "lowest end 30 series card" from nVidia doesn't actually make that a low end PC card. That would be older cards, not current gen ones.

(I love my PC, but the PS5 / XSX are still a great value for what they are)

Anyone with a ps4 or xbox 1, would be looking to getting a newer console though. Same as a PC player. Upgrade your existing PC, for the price of a ps5DE, is a no brainier, if you are looking from a performance perspective. The 3060 ti is the lowest end GPU they offer in the current line up. There were even recent confirmations of a 3080 ti, but not a 3060/3050.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

If you start developing your own bot now you may get an advantage when the preorders start in september 2022.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

If you start developing your own bot now you may get an advantage when the preorders start in september 2022.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Anyone with a ps4 or xbox 1, would be looking to getting a newer console though. Same as a PC player. Upgrade your existing PC, for the price of a ps5DE, is a no brainier, if you are looking from a performance perspective. The 3060 ti is the lowest end GPU they offer in the current line up. There were even recent confirmations of a 3080 ti, but not a 3060/3050.

The "low end" of PC gaming is not a $400 graphics card though. It doesn't matter that nVidia isn't offering anything cheaper out of their 30 series lineup.

 

[Redneckerz]

The lowest end Nvidia 3000x gpu currently, the 3060ti, beats ps5 in performance.

It also costs the same. For the price of a PS5 that works when plugged in you get a graphics card without PSU, CPU, case, RAM and what have you.

I understand the modus operandi of comparison, but for a complete system with that GPU you are pulling out the wallet.

So it's not just the enthusiast, high end, and middle end PC with performance crown, but also the low end of PC gaming now. Pricing-wise, consoles will win in that regard.

A Geforce 3060Ti is low end?

But you are also severely limited with what you can do on a console, vs a PC, which completely changes the dynamic of said price argument.

Maybe an Atari VCS is the best of both worlds?

The "low end" of PC gaming is not a $400 graphics card though. It doesn't matter that nVidia isn't offering anything cheaper out of their 30 series lineup.

But it beats out a PS5.*

*If paired with every other component needed to make a PC a PC.

 

[Kenpachii]

This could be interesting and maybe leaked to counter rumors of nvidia being in bad weathers for next generation of gpu's.

AMD isn't going to catch up anytime soon it seems like then.

 

[Rikkori]

oh good rtx3080 might become available at reasonable prices by 2022

It's funny to think about that we'll have 3080 performance for $350ish then.

 

[Snake29]

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

The "low end" of PC gaming is not a $400 graphics card though. It doesn't matter that nVidia isn't offering anything cheaper out of their 30 series lineup.

It also costs the same. For the price of a PS5 that works when plugged in you get a graphics card without PSU, CPU, case, RAM and what have you.

I understand the modus operandi of comparison, but for a complete system with that GPU you are pulling out the wallet.


A Geforce 3060Ti is low end?

Maybe an Atari VCS is the best of both worlds?

But it beats out a PS5.*

*If paired with every other component needed to make a PC a PC.

That's why I mentioned upgrading. Someone upgrading from ps4 to ps5, vs someone upgrading their PC. Better performance for, yes, the lowest end GPU Nvidia sells in its current lineup. I'm not sure where the whole psu, cpu, etc, came from, as the whole premise was about upgrading from console to consoles to upgrading PC.

 

[Redneckerz]

That's why I mentioned upgrading. Someone upgrading from ps4 to ps5, vs someone upgrading their PC. Better performance for, yes, the lowest end GPU Nvidia sells in its current lineup. I'm not sure where the whole psu, cpu, etc, came from, as the whole premise was about upgrading from console to consoles to upgrading PC.

And that depends on what PC the owner has. Whilst even 5 year old PC's feature processors that trounce anything in a PS4/XBO, that case is not so much for the current-gen.

Depending on that, the upgrade can and may differ.

 

[Insane Metal]

65 teraflops vs 12/10....

$499 vs. 3,999

 

[Senua]

Will PC gaming FINALLY be able to match God of War and especially TLoU fidelity wise with this card? Honestly we'll be fucking close boys

ADA: 18432 cuda cores + 5986 jigaflops ÷ no optimisation = 5748475 transistors

PS5: 10.32 tflops + to the metal optimisations + mark cerny secret splooge ÷ druckmanns fruity top knot = welp, you aint seen nothing yet niggas

 

[DemonCleaner]

great to see progress again in the GPU space.

how cool would it be to see a full powered nintendo home console in 2023 with some smaller lovelace in it, that mobs the floor with ps5 and xsx especially in ray tracing

 

[MadchesterManc]

In compute workloads and other productivity apps, the 3070 mops the floor with the 2080 Ti.

Not doubt, but I was under the impression that the 3070 was a Geforce, so is marketed as a gaming card, instead of a Quadro

 

[IntentionalPun]

That's why I mentioned upgrading. Someone upgrading from ps4 to ps5, vs someone upgrading their PC. Better performance for, yes, the lowest end GPU Nvidia sells in its current lineup. I'm not sure where the whole psu, cpu, etc, came from, as the whole premise was about upgrading from console to consoles to upgrading PC.

The 3060ti is a decent card @$400 for sure. It's just not really the low end for people buying cards today.

And yes that's a valid premise for someone looking to upgrade a PC vs. buy a console. There are people making such decisions right now; the value proposition is still different and shouldn't be ignored.

 

[TLZ]

Why does this have to quickly turn into console peasant trouncing?

 

[Kenpachii]

And that depends on what PC the owner has. Whilst even 5 year old PC's feature processors that trounce anything in a PS4/XBO, that case is not so much for the current-gen.

Depending on that, the upgrade can and may differ.

So if i have a PS4, and i want to play cyberpunk. How much money do i need to upgrade to playable framerates? as digital version is no longer sold anymore u need the 500 buck PS5
If u got a 5 year old cpu 6000 series one and u got a 5 year old gpu 1060. How much money does he need to spend to make cyberpunk perfectly playable?

That's the problem u guys never understand. PC's can be upgraded easily without having to spend a fortune on it.

Let's look at a 5700xt for example in ac valhalla at 1080p (78fps) vs 4k ( 33 fps ) ultra by the way.

A PC player sits at 1080p not 4k, with consoles u don't got a choice because daddy console maker decides what u can or can't do, as pc gamers often sit right with there face on a screen there is no point for higher resolutions to start with.



So how much money did that PS4 owner spend vs that PC user? and how much money does that PC user need to spend to get PS5 performance? a simple rtx card of any grade will do fine and cost him still less then upgrading to a PS5 and have legions of software to play with.

I can go on for a while.

The whole "build me a 500 costing pc that competes with PS5" is idiotic as hell. Nobody in PC land cares about what the PS5 performs like or what it does. It has absolutely zero relevance towards a PC gamer. What has relevance is how does the game runs on his PC and that's what decides if he upgrades or not.

 

[Redneckerz]

Why does this have to quickly turn into console peasant trouncing?

I honestly don't know really. I come here for a discussion and i am left with an argument, haha.

So if i have a PS4, and i want to play cyberpunk. How much money do i need to upgrade to playable framerates?

None.*

Spoiler

*At the cost of time, as that's what it will take for CDPR to get a result on the last-gen versions that would be on par with what is now to be expected of a multi plat game. CDPR's initial last-gen release is, like DF said, more akin to PS360 performance levels.

If u got a 5 year old cpu 6000 series one and u got a 5 year old gpu 1060. How much money does he need to spend to make cyberpunk perfectly playable?

I would imagine that set up would run adequately, perhaps would need a RAM upgrade.

That's the problem u guys never understand. PC's can be upgraded easily without having to spend a fortune on it.

I am not sure who you mean you guys, but i am not part of a group in that way. I agree, you can upgrade PC's easily.

The whole "build me a 500 costing pc that competes with PS5" is idiotic as hell. Nobody in PC land cares about what the PS5 performs like or what it does. It has absolutely zero relevance towards a PC gamer. What has relevance is how does the game runs on his PC and that's what decides if he upgrades or not.

Those are bold statements to make. In either case, i don't hold a horse in that race. PC or console - whatever gives me an enjoyable time.*

*The sheer fact i still run a steam-driven Xbox 360 as console should be telling.

 

[Aggelos]

Meanwhile, we might need this one ('til 2022)
This is a monster, too, you know.

NVIDIA RTX A6000 Specs

NVIDIA GA102, 1800 MHz, 10752 Cores, 336 TMUs, 112 ROPs, 49152 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Kenpachii]

I honestly don't know really. I come here for a discussion and i am left with an argument, haha.

None.*

Spoiler

*At the cost of time, as that's what it will take for CDPR to get a result on the last-gen versions that would be on par with what is now to be expected of a multi plat game. CDPR's initial last-gen release is, like DF said, more akin to PS360 performance levels.

I would imagine that set up would run adequately, perhaps would need a RAM upgrade.

I am not sure who you mean you guys, but i am not part of a group in that way. I agree, you can upgrade PC's easily.

Those are bold statements to make. In either case, i don't hold a horse in that race. PC or console - whatever gives me an enjoyable time.*

*The sheer fact i still run a steam-driven Xbox 360 as console should be telling.

I meant with" you guys" the people that constantly pop up with build me a 500 dollar pc remarks. It's getting tiring to read those shit posts that avoid the reality most pc gamers sit in and how they upgrade there hardware. It wasn't targeted at you personally i should have clarified that.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Kind of disappointed that Hopper got delayed. Something tells me there's going to be some huge gains going to multi-chip module. In the meantime, Lovelace going to bring the heat while Hopper spends more time in the oven. Wonder if RDNA 3 will be MCM.

 

[wordslaughter]

This isn't true at all. Certain "companies" count TFs differently. Like someone said above that Nvidia at one time combined the calculation of their TFs based on both raw rasterization and RT numbers. And none of us here believes that a proper way to do any of these measurements.

He was wrong when he said it and now you're repeating it as fact. Ampere Tflops do not include RT numbers. ( Or Tensor numbers for that matter ).

Ampere TFLOPS are calculated in the EXACT same way that RDNA, or Playstation or Xbox TFLOPS are calculated.

 

[mckmas8808]

He was wrong when he said it and now you're repeating it as fact. Ampere Tflops do not include RT numbers. ( Or Tensor numbers for that matter ).

Ampere TFLOPS are calculated in the EXACT same way that RDNA, or Playstation or Xbox TFLOPS are calculated.

I'm specifically said it's not a fact. What are you talking about? And at 5nm this must be a 2023+ card right?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Why does this have to quickly turn into console peasant trouncing?

A lot of insecurity by exactly those console « peasants » on TFLOPs interpretation.

I meant with" you guys" the people that constantly pop up with build me a 500 dollar pc remarks. It's getting tiring to read those shit posts that avoid the reality most pc gamers sit in and how they upgrade there hardware. It wasn't targeted at you personally i should have clarified that.

Yea it’s the most tiring « GOTCHA » attempts. As if gaming is the only purpose of a PC for everyone. On top of that, resale prices of hardware ages really well for high end cards, 2080 TI for example, losing a whooping 100$ dollar for 2 years of use, sometimes sold at MSRP even or above as of right now.

And 3999$ PC
Been building PCs for 25 years, never spent that much, even on the shitty Canadian currency.

 

[K.S v2.0]

Whatever happened to the Ada Wong architecture?

 

[TheContact]

I remember a time before cryptomining and it was nice. I could just go to a website and buy a gpu I wanted.

 

[3liteDragon]

Anyone with a ps4 or xbox 1, would be looking to getting a newer console though. Same as a PC player. Upgrade your existing PC, for the price of a ps5DE, is a no brainier, if you are looking from a performance perspective. The 3060 ti is the lowest end GPU they offer in the current line up. There were even recent confirmations of a 3080 ti, but not a 3060/3050.

I get what you’re saying but remember that you’re comparing a GPU to an entire system (consoles) with it’s own set of customizations aimed at devs to learn and make use of (some might not even be in the PC space until a few years), I just don’t think it’s fair rn to judge either console’s performance based on a few first wave third-party games which are running on cross-gen engines.

You can bookmark this and if I’m wrong, whatever, I think the consoles will do “just fine” over the course of this generation against PC, I personally don’t think we’re gonna see a MAJOR difference visually as the console hardware gets pushed more and more. But I’m definitely sure that PC (at least thanks to NVIDIA) will be far ahead in terms of ray-tracing and AI rendering.

Just my two cents.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I remember a time before cryptomining and it was nice. I could just go to a website and buy a gpu I wanted.

Honestly, removing or hunting down on scalpers wouldn’t be so hard if they cared.

Like, it’s almost a joke that one of the biggest tech giant in AI, Nvidia, had their store beaten by script kiddies. I know their store is the responsibility of a 3rd party, but funny nonetheless.

 

[tillbot8]

Sooooo 8k 60fps no drops on all games? Will be cool for the 0.1% of the market until next year I suppose.

 

[The_Mike]

this makes the consoles even more obsolete..

Has always been the case with consoles.
Hardware progress yearly, while consoles progress every half decade.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

consoles being competitive against PC

I mean, that's inevitable at some point, but they just launched the 3000 series. They won't launch a new series for years.

 

[Jtibh]

The lowest end Nvidia 3000x gpu currently, the 3060ti, beats ps5 in performance. So it's not just the enthusiast, high end, and middle end PC with performance crown, but also the low end of PC gaming now. Pricing-wise, consoles will win in that regard. But you are also severely limited with what you can do on a console, vs a PC, which completely changes the dynamic of said price argument.

Severely limited means what exactly cuz as far as i know all games that are on pc come to consoles the same day.

Its not like doom 3 could have never been done on ps2 situation anymore.

Severely limited would mean most pc games could never run or would look total shit on consoles .

I still play my ps4 and it pretty much plays all released games yet its almost 8 years old.

I doubt any pc user is still playing games on an 8 year old pc.

It could be a 100 teraflops and i still wouldnt care.
500 bucks, plays all games, perfect.

 

[DavidGzz]

I'm getting a PC that will be a lot stronger than my consoles in a year or two, but I'll still be playing console games at higher frames, that's it. Demolishing consoles hardly matters since most if not all games will target console specs like always. A weak 2013 console ran some of the prettiest games of 2020 lol.

 

[//DEVIL//]

And you can have a PS5 DE for the same price as just this card.

Being the "lowest end 30 series card" from nVidia doesn't actually make that a low end PC card. That would be older cards, not current gen ones.

(I love my PC, but the PS5 / XSX are still a great value for what they are)

Yes but sometimes it's not really just about the value. when the 2080ti that was released 2 years ago, or the cheapest Nvidia card you can buy this year can beat the PS5 in terms of graphics, it doesn't really give much hope for these consoles.

at the end of the day, these consoles to me right now look like an upgraded version of existing consoles. judging by the games that were released so far and horizon zero dawn 2 trailers, we are kinda looking for 4k 30 fps on medium settings on PC, or 60 fps dynamic resolution jumping from the low end of 1080p to 4k depending on the game with no ray tracing, etc.

Sony and MS really fucked it up not going with Nvidia this gen for the DLSS alone, would have helped these systems to be up there with the PC.

The only and ( ONLY ) really kinda next-genish thing that came from the PS5 and Xbox series X/S is really the DS controller.

I'm getting a PC that will be a lot stronger than my consoles in a year or two, but I'll still be playing console games at higher frames, that's it. Demolishing consoles hardly matters since most if not all games will target console specs like always. A weak 2013 console ran some of the prettiest games of 2020 lol.

Don't mix art style with technical specs of a system. Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2 are nice looking games thanks to the impressive art style or the animation engines they are using. but one is an empty world and the other is very low texture and blurry up close especially in these 2013 consoles ( not to include none of them are even 4k or close to 4k. probably full had or lower at 30 fps on these 2013 consoles) with all respect that is not impressive at all.

I am pretty sure Sony will bring some nice looking games in 2022. but by then we are probably close to a PS5 Pro lol ( didn't say 2021 because it seems Sony is still targeting the PS4 with Horizon 2 and GOW2 which makes them limited in terms of technicality to probably just upscale to native 4k with a better texture than base consoles. nothing really next-gen stuff

 

[lepermessiah]

Gotta say things are a hell of a lot more peaceful when one joins the PCMR, everyone appreciates your rig, even if it's slightly lower specced, no moronic warring, etc. Feels good man.

 

[DavidGzz]

Don't mix art style with technical specs of a system. Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2 are nice looking games thanks to the impressive art style or the animation engines they are using. but one is an empty world and the other is very low texture and blurry up close especially in these 2013 consoles ( not to include none of them are even 4k or close to 4k. probably full had or lower at 30 fps on these 2013 consoles) with all respect that is not impressive at all.

I am pretty sure Sony will bring some nice looking games in 2022. but by then we are probably close to a PS5 Pro lol ( didn't say 2021 because it seems Sony is still targeting the PS4 with Horizon 2 and GOW2 which makes them limited in terms of technicality to probably just upscale to native 4k with a better texture than base consoles. nothing really next-gen stuff

The point stands. High end PC's are pushed once a generation. Cyberpunk is doing it now. The vast majority of games will not. In other words, PC's hardly make anyone jealous when we are playing the same games. Especially this gen with 60fps on consoles. I've been enjoying PC gaming all last gen. When I played Gears 5 on my Xbox One X vs. My more powerful PC, did I notice much of an upgrade? Barely. Its nice to have better IQ but is it worth 1500 more than a console? Not currently. In a couple years, yes.

I mean honestly, where are these huge dense PC games besides Cyberpunk? You say Ghost is a huge empty world, where is the dense equivalent on PC? Where are the games on PC that put TLOU2 to shame? Can they be made? Sure. Will they? Nope. The money is in making games that are compatible with consoles. Look what happens when they fail to do so, they get taken off PSN and have an abysmal user score.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Severely limited means what exactly cuz as far as i know all games that are on pc come to consoles the same day.

Its not like doom 3 could have never been done on ps2 situation anymore.

Severely limited would mean most pc games could never run or would look total shit on consoles .

I still play my ps4 and it pretty much plays all released games yet its almost 8 years old.

I doubt any pc user is still playing games on an 8 year old pc.

It could be a 100 teraflops and i still wouldnt care.
500 bucks, plays all games, perfect.

What do you mean? Consoles are severely limited in what they can do in comparison to PC, hence where I said, the whole "building at the cost of a console". I stated that a PC gamer could get better performance upgrading to a 3060ti for same price as ps4 owner upgrading to ps5DE, AND can do more. They aren't limited to netflix, spotify, and games. Im not sure why you are trying to make it seem like I said/implied something completely different?

 

[Jtibh]

What do you mean? Consoles are severely limited in what they can do in comparison to PC, hence where I said, the whole "building at the cost of a console". I stated that a PC gamer could get better performance upgrading to a 3060ti for same price as ps4 owner upgrading to ps5DE, AND can do more. They aren't limited to netflix, spotify, and games. Im not sure why you are trying to make it seem like I said/implied something completely different?

I bought my wife a new laptop for $2500.
Why, i have no clue since she keeps going back to her phone where she does all her shopping and social media garbage etc.

To me pc's are really only for gaming and office work.

I have all streaming options on my tv app and apple tv so i dont need no pc or console to do that.

I understand what you saying but what i am getting at from the example above is that in todays world its all about convenience and with the latest cellphones and all sorts of streaming services i dont see a pc dominating in any other area other than gaming.

And for that for most if not for all a cheap console will suffice.

This is not about pc's are obsolete or elite .
Its about pc's are a hard sell nowdays to the average consumer.

 

[BattleScar]

Are these like ampere teraflops? Ya know where a 20tf 3070 only competes with a 13tf 2080ti. 64tf seems a little less impressive if viewed from that angle

Its impressive if you like mining or Compute.
Which Nvidia cares far more about right now than Gamers.

 

[Rival]

I look forward to never being able to afford one of these.

 

[Keihart]

Lovelace uh?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Gotta say things are a hell of a lot more peaceful when one joins the PCMR, everyone appreciates your rig, even if it's slightly lower specced, no moronic warring, etc. Feels good man.

The PCMR welcomes all the faithful who adhere to the One True Way, regardless of their socioeconomic status. If you follow the Path of the Master Race, you will always be destined to reach Valhalla no matter how long your journey will take.

 

[j0hnnix]

But can it run Cyberpunk?

 

[Trimesh]

64 Titty-flops???

Yes, although at this point the distribution of the performance between conventional rendering, ray tracing (RTX) and breast physics (BPX) has not been formally announced.

 

[UnNamed]

That's what I hate from PC gaming: you have a 64TF GPU and 16 core CPU, but the best you can do is run PS4 games in 8K when you could already run PS6 games.

 

[Aceofspades]

last year we were circlejerking over 12 teraflops. it seems the gap between pc and console is getting bigger and bigger every gen.

This GPU will finally be able to render that BMW benchmark in 10 seconds. Or run games "designed" for consoles at 10000fps.

Great