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S73v3
Banned
It's wild, there is a chance that MS is going to drop another 5 or 10 billion into buying up more publishers/devs before they ship halo infinite. (A game that got laughed at so hard its delayed by a year)
The mismanagement of this company is legendary when it comes to gaming. It's unbelievable, and they are hungry for more stuff to aquire.
Jesus fucking Christ, glad I'm not a fan of modern gaming, a shake up is needed. May god have mercy on those effected. Sleepless nights ahead for every fanboy.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
BlizzardSega and KojiPro.
Stilton Disco
Member
There's a reason the sleazy used car salesman stereotype is so common, and it's because there really are a lot of dumbarses out there that fall for that kind of confidence trixter who promises the world and can sell any old banger as the best value proposition in history.
On an entirely unrelated note, congrats Phil Spencer!
On an entirely unrelated note, congrats Phil Spencer!
Shmunter
Member
Looks good. Ship it!
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borborygmus
Member
Azurro
Banned
puffzor
Banned
Lisa Su, singlehandedly turned AMD around in 5 years from the brink of extinction.
Jim Ryan, headed up a wildly successful year for playstation, delivering multiple chart toppers.
"The gamers" as this has been a banner year for games and game streaming across the board (no thanks to Phil Spencer btw, since Mixer was cancelled)
Furukawa or whoever is CEO of Nintendo for continued massive success of the switch.
There are plenty of options besides a dude who habitually oversells and underdelivers.
Kagey K
Banned
I’m sure they were both considered.
For some reason or another Phil beat them both out though.
MagnesG
Banned
Xcloud is a success.
puffzor
Banned
I'm talking about twitch and youtube streaming, not cloud gaming.
cormack12
Gold Member
There's a lot of receny bias in the article and i think the key takeaway is this:
The award is being given while acknowledgement of the elephant in the room is take into account. When he inherited Microsoft, it was a mess after Mattrick. He was a violinist going down with the Titanic, who suddenly had to take the bridge when the captain life boated. As he said in a recent article, the xbox brand was treading water and he was forced into a position which was probably a bit bigger in scope than he would have liked. And that was from his passion to not let the brand die. Circumstances were dire, good people stick around in my opinion because of passion, determination and investment. So, do I think there was an element of 'learning as you go' for Phil in certain aspects of heading up a team of this size/scope? Undoubtedly so, which is why Microsoft are playing the slow and steady game. They have the money to go out and moneyhat a lot of stuff to quickly get back on track. But they didn't, as painful and as hard as it was (for fans and MS), they applied a tourniquet and then thought about how to either change the model or disrupt the market.
Don't get me wrong, many of us on here like to purchase a game at retail price, stick it on and play through it. Having said that there is no doubt game pass has been a massive disruption in the market and it has tangible benefits. It has exposure for smaller devs. It makes gaming more affordable and creates a coalescent of a wide userbase immediately. Similar to how Sony gave away Fall Guys on PS+ - that immediately gave it millions of players online. Every title going on gamepass has that benefit. Worried something won't have a large online community (say Streets of Rage 4), doesn't matter because you have 10 million other potential players who just have it added to their library.
Hardware wise - ok, let's just drop the console warrior BS about the odd frame etc - the units are very close, which MS absolutely had to deliver after the Xbox One and they did. Without niggling over detail, the units are pretty much at parity until MS can demonstrate the gap on paper is easily shown on screen. They've added more disruption into the market with the Xbox Series S, for those regions where the latest tech isn't as prevalent/an iteration behind (4K, XSX, PS5, tablets, smartphones) or where people need a softer financial stairway into next generation. They've expanded this further with xCloud for emerging markets as well.
They've spent a lot of time on their clear preservation of games via BC. Not only have they ensured you can play them but they also have committed to features like auto HDR and integrating the Heutchy method which enhances them beyond 'boost' or 'stability'.
There may have been other people in the running, but I don't think there's a strong enough case to take the award away from Phil, equally I'm sure the decision was close. As for overselling, under delivering - everyone in sales/marketing does this. It's impossible to speed up time, but they have bought good talent/studio's and unfortunately we will have to see if these studio's can rival that ubiquitous third person cinematic action/adventure that Sony does so well.
The award is being given while acknowledgement of the elephant in the room is take into account. When he inherited Microsoft, it was a mess after Mattrick. He was a violinist going down with the Titanic, who suddenly had to take the bridge when the captain life boated. As he said in a recent article, the xbox brand was treading water and he was forced into a position which was probably a bit bigger in scope than he would have liked. And that was from his passion to not let the brand die. Circumstances were dire, good people stick around in my opinion because of passion, determination and investment. So, do I think there was an element of 'learning as you go' for Phil in certain aspects of heading up a team of this size/scope? Undoubtedly so, which is why Microsoft are playing the slow and steady game. They have the money to go out and moneyhat a lot of stuff to quickly get back on track. But they didn't, as painful and as hard as it was (for fans and MS), they applied a tourniquet and then thought about how to either change the model or disrupt the market.
Don't get me wrong, many of us on here like to purchase a game at retail price, stick it on and play through it. Having said that there is no doubt game pass has been a massive disruption in the market and it has tangible benefits. It has exposure for smaller devs. It makes gaming more affordable and creates a coalescent of a wide userbase immediately. Similar to how Sony gave away Fall Guys on PS+ - that immediately gave it millions of players online. Every title going on gamepass has that benefit. Worried something won't have a large online community (say Streets of Rage 4), doesn't matter because you have 10 million other potential players who just have it added to their library.
Hardware wise - ok, let's just drop the console warrior BS about the odd frame etc - the units are very close, which MS absolutely had to deliver after the Xbox One and they did. Without niggling over detail, the units are pretty much at parity until MS can demonstrate the gap on paper is easily shown on screen. They've added more disruption into the market with the Xbox Series S, for those regions where the latest tech isn't as prevalent/an iteration behind (4K, XSX, PS5, tablets, smartphones) or where people need a softer financial stairway into next generation. They've expanded this further with xCloud for emerging markets as well.
They've spent a lot of time on their clear preservation of games via BC. Not only have they ensured you can play them but they also have committed to features like auto HDR and integrating the Heutchy method which enhances them beyond 'boost' or 'stability'.
There may have been other people in the running, but I don't think there's a strong enough case to take the award away from Phil, equally I'm sure the decision was close. As for overselling, under delivering - everyone in sales/marketing does this. It's impossible to speed up time, but they have bought good talent/studio's and unfortunately we will have to see if these studio's can rival that ubiquitous third person cinematic action/adventure that Sony does so well.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
This.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
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Venom Snake
Member
Yes, this guy could be the face of 2020 but I know much worse. 
Bradamante3D
Member
I don't think he deserves this award. Sure XBox fans like him because he can't be blamed for the 2013 debacle and they have high hopes he will lead the brand out of this mess. However he might been indirectly responsible for bad releases or bad handling of development processes (Halo MC, Crackdown 3, Scalebound, Sea of Thieves, Quantum Break). Backwards compatibility was a nice item to have on the score board, sure, but that might be an unexpected engineering success (actually that's how Phil described it himself on stage). Game Pass is nice, but that might have come from the cloud side of things without him, too. As for what Microsoft is doing now - that can be summarized via "spending your way out of a problem". I.e. using Microsoft's corporate advantage by pumping funds into the XBox department that somebody else has earned. I dunno ...
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MagnesG
Banned
You might have been wrong too.
Bryank75
Banned
Well it wasn't going to be Jim or Hermen..... especially after all the departures lately. I can see the new leadership being the least liked in a long time at PlayStation, they have done nothing to ingratiate with the fans.
While Phil has been on almost every gaming site doing interviews and has spent about 10 billion on studios as well as creating excellent PR and spin when needed.
Compared to Jim not spending a penny to secure any new studios, losing staff all over California to The Initiative, Inexile and lately at San Diego Studio and allowing countless gaffes to occur, including the 'We believe in generations', quickly followed by many PS5 games being cross-gen.
Congrats to Phil.
While Phil has been on almost every gaming site doing interviews and has spent about 10 billion on studios as well as creating excellent PR and spin when needed.
Compared to Jim not spending a penny to secure any new studios, losing staff all over California to The Initiative, Inexile and lately at San Diego Studio and allowing countless gaffes to occur, including the 'We believe in generations', quickly followed by many PS5 games being cross-gen.
Congrats to Phil.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
FatKingBallman
Banned
LOL. That's a stretch.
After a Xbox Brazil fuckups and Halo Infinite showcase, this guy is laughable
After a Xbox Brazil fuckups and Halo Infinite showcase, this guy is laughable
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Wow you were right! Although let's be honest anything positive about Xbox is going to get attacked regardless.This is gonna get salty.
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Slings and Arrows
Banned
Not in the slightest.
He deserved his marching orders after what happened with this launch. Halo not ready and looking shite, XSX 'most powerful console' gets beaten by the '9tf' PS5, tools not ready and he had the worst launch - games wise - of any console in history.
But hey, what a guy eh? I wish i could fuck my job up beyond belief and win awards for it
And before you call me a Sony pony, I'm an xbox fan
TLZ
Banned
Weh? Where is it? It hasn't even launched yet :/
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Laughable.
The guy is the most over exposed figure in the gaming industry, he constantly says tons of lies or at best half truths with the aim of telling their fanbase what they want to hear and create fake excitement around the brand.
Just this year we have heard gems like:
"Cross gen is about being pro-consumer"
"Cross gen games won't hold back next gen games"
"I feel confident about where we are after Sony's show"
"I've played Halo Infinite and I've really liked what I've seen"
"I don't like exclusive deals"
"I hate console wars but my marketing team is constantly doing just that "
"We want to build on our hardware advantages and games will play the best on XSX!"
"Sorry if we fucked up with production, the reason is that we waited until late summer for RDNA2 to be ready although we showcased our final AMD SOC back in December 2019".
This is the guy that got the award
The guy is the most over exposed figure in the gaming industry, he constantly says tons of lies or at best half truths with the aim of telling their fanbase what they want to hear and create fake excitement around the brand.
Just this year we have heard gems like:
"Cross gen is about being pro-consumer"
"Cross gen games won't hold back next gen games"
"I feel confident about where we are after Sony's show"
"I've played Halo Infinite and I've really liked what I've seen"
"I don't like exclusive deals"
"I hate console wars but my marketing team is constantly doing just that
""We want to build on our hardware advantages and games will play the best on XSX!"
"Sorry if we fucked up with production, the reason is that we waited until late summer for RDNA2 to be ready although we showcased our final AMD SOC back in December 2019".
This is the guy that got the award
MagnesG
Banned
"We believe in generations"Laughable.
The guy is the most over exposed figure in the gaming industry, he constantly says tons of lies or at best half truths with the aim of telling their fanbase what they want to hear and create fake excitement around the brand.
Just this year we have heard gems like:
"Cross gen is about being pro-consumer"
"Cross gen games won't hold back next gen games"
"I feel confident about where we are after Sony's show"
"I've played Halo Infinite and I've really liked what I've seen"
"I don't like exclusive deals"
"I hate console wars but my marketing team is constantly doing just that
"We want to build on our hardware advantages and games will play the best on XSX!"
"Sorry if we fucked up with production, the reason is that we waited until late summer for RDNA2 to be ready although we showcased our final AMD SOC back in December 2019".
This is the guy that got the award
Who got the useless award and we are discussing about in this thread?
The bullshit ratio is probably 1:10 between the two.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
This is gonna get salty.
TLoU2 wins game of the year: haha fuck all you haters TLoU2 is the best game in the world because journalists says so.
Same people when Phil Spencer from xbox gets an award:
sublimit
Banned
sobaka770
Banned
Are these rewards meaningful in any way?
I can see Phil winning just for Gamepass model and the way he's trying to make it a thing. It could be revolutionary - or it can flop in 5 years but it is new and it is not the usual scummy money-grab of MTX/DLC. However the whole transparency and whatever else they chose Phil for that is in the article is not a great reason. Let's be clear - this year he also did a poor job with Series X reveal, didn't deliver day 1 games for the console and in general it was a tame year for Microsoft on the output front.
I can see Phil winning just for Gamepass model and the way he's trying to make it a thing. It could be revolutionary - or it can flop in 5 years but it is new and it is not the usual scummy money-grab of MTX/DLC. However the whole transparency and whatever else they chose Phil for that is in the article is not a great reason. Let's be clear - this year he also did a poor job with Series X reveal, didn't deliver day 1 games for the console and in general it was a tame year for Microsoft on the output front.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Phil got attacked for his cross generational game policy too. Might as well add it to your list of grievances.Who got the useless award and we are discussing about in this thread?
The bullshit ratio is probably 1:10 between the two.
H-I-M
Member
That dude is so embarrassing and yet some people still buy his bs...
DaleinCalgary
Member
I disagree, new Microsoft wanted to release it and only a massive backlash got them to delay it because they don't know what they are doing and thought it was good.
Apparently they have a raging xbone for him.
Chukhopops
Member
I mean, do you expect him or any other company representative to say anything else? What some people like about him is his strategy and what he is doing with the brand. Of course he’s gonna say positive things in his communication.
CAB_Life
Member
Convincing Mommy Nutella (or whatever the fuck his name is) to invest 7 billion in studio aquisitions (that will certainly pay off, in time) is a worthy checkmark for the award. I've gotten so much value out of gamepass this last year that I personally agree with the nomination, too.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
So much salt and dumb takes in this thread. The guy saved the Xbox brand, created the best gaming service ever in Game Pass, quadrupled 1st party studios, released an incredible console, and did it all with a nonchalance other executives can only dream of.
sublimit
Banned
Yes especially the ones like you!Such a dumb award has all these fanboys like
