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[Master of Disguise]

It's easy to feel smug PC Master Race feelings of superiority, but let's be honest here. CDPR have sold a flawed product to people buying it in good faith. It's easy to say, "The game is too ambitious for that hardware." They didn't show any footage. They didn't put a warning sticker on the box saying "Recommended: PS4 Pro/PS5" or " Recommended One X/Series S/X". They sprung this on people, and it's fair enough that people feel manipulated. I'm all for making games that push the boundaries of PC hardware and treating PC as first class and downporting to consoles. But you have to be transparent about it.

 

[II_JumPeR_I]

I see that one guy pushing his nitpicked ps5 is better narrative again even when the game is messy on all platforms.

Kind of sucks in what state they released the game.

 

[Jadsey]

PS5 looks by far the sharpest and most vibrant.

Mark Cerny is literally a wizard.

 

[TJC]

It's easy to feel smug PC Master Race feelings of superiority, but let's be honest here. CDPR have sold a flawed product to people buying it in good faith. It's easy to say, "The game is too ambitious for that hardware." They didn't show any footage. They didn't put a warning sticker on the box saying "Recommended: PS4 Pro/PS5" or " Recommended One X/Series S/X". They sprung this on people, and it's fair enough that people feel manipulated. I'm all for making games that push the boundaries of PC hardware and treating PC as first class and downporting to consoles. But you have to be transparent about it.

Yep they fucked console version over and they will get most sales on consoles also, shitty move by them not being transparent, can't blame them though as who would want to lose money by addmiting sub par performance?

 

[prinz_valium]

tl;dw

Xbox One X and Series S are totally fine, PS5 and Series X look great.
Ps4 and Xbox One (S) are garbage.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So guys, what do you think? Was this rumour true after all?
They tried as much they could to make it work/run on base PS4 and Xbox One in a serviceable degree.

Dev Responds to Rumours That Cyberpunk 2077 Was Delayed Because It Runs Badly on PS4 and Xbox One

"No hidden agendas"

www.pushsquare.com

"Cyberpunk 2077 developer CD Projekt Red has responded to this rumour, which originally suggested that the game's recent delay to September was due to significant issues with the current-gen versions of the title.
Posting on the official forums, Benzenzimmern of CD Projekt Red says: "Of course we're optimizing for the Xbox One, and for the PlayStation, and for the PC, because that's what you do in the last stretches of game development. While the game is made, lots of things are unoptimized, because they're all in flux, changing, and still not finished.""

I'm pretty sure they delayed the game because they wanted some PS5s and XSXs in the market. Otherwise, the game would've been reviewed on PS4 and Xbox One, and that'd have been a PR disaster for them.

No way it would have got 9/10 and 10/10 then.

Now it's just, "Yeah the game doesn't run well on base consoles; it's just too ambitous. You should play it on next-gen consoles."

But it's a fucking travesty to suggest that, considering so many people will be playing the game on base consoles at 15 FPS. It's a disaster, but one that no one will talk about now.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Bare in mind the development started ~8 years ago, so making it next-gen only just for the sake of it by purposely not releasing it on PS4/XB1 wouldn't change anything in the game, if it had to be a real next-gen-only title, the development would need to start not earlier than in 2019, meaning we wouldn't see the game before 2027-28.

I personally feel CP2077 is today in the exact same spot GTA5 was when it launched, where the devs squeezed absolutely everything they could from PS3 and X360 to make their vision happen, while the PC/PS4/XB1 versions weren't held back in any regards, many people even forget that the game started as a PS360 title, and in the same way we just need to wait for a few more patches, especially for the next-gen consoles, and the game will be able to fully shine, and people will forget it started as a game with PS4/XB1 in mind.

Well I think mine was one solution - release tighter, more polished next gen only and PC versions this month, which would have increased review scores and positive word of mouth. Then release the old gen versions in March. It would still sell a fuck load from the build up of hype. But I think Xmas sales are too much for CDPR to ignore.

 

[mrmeh]

That's because Series X is running the One X version of the game. Series S runs the One S version. There is no quality difference between One S and Series S in this case. Maybe higher dynamic resolution, at best. The GPU in the One X is dramatically more powerful. It was in fact kind of overkill considering the overall hardware.

They must be trolling, looks much sharper on Series s than One s and also runs much better

 

[Secret_Lover]

Tried it on a fat ps4 for a few hours and without exaggerating it is probably the worst performance I have ever experienced in a console game. It can´t even play the intro messages on startup without stuttering. Gonna have to just wait until they get more ps5s in stock. Inexcusable.

 

[Master of Disguise]

They must be trolling, looks much sharper on Series s than One s and also runs much better

The game will be running with dynamic resolution scaling, so it'll likely be bottoming out on One S, while maintaining the upper bound on Series S.

I'm pretty sure they delayed the game because they wanted some PS5s and XSXs in the market. Otherwise, the game would've been reviewed on PS4 and Xbox One, and that'd have been a PR disaster for them.

No way it would have got 9/10 and 10/10 then.

They didn't send out any console versions, period. All review copies were the PC version.

 

[Zuzu]

The One S version is a broken product that is pretty much unusable. A consumer can’t be expected to play a game like that. There should be consumer protection laws against products being sold like this. That’s completely unacceptable and the game should be recalled until they make it playable.

 

[Master of Disguise]

The One S is a broken product that is pretty much unusable. A consumer can’t be expected to play a game like that. There should be consumer protection laws against products being sold like this. That’s completely unacceptable and the game should be recalled until they make it playable.

It's muddy because there's multiple models of Xbox. Cyberpunk runs really badly on old DX12 GPUs on PC even though it's technically compatible with them. They aren't allowed to lock the One S out, even if they wanted to. They can't sell a game that only runs on One X, Series S, Series X.

The reality is that the One S version may never approach anything resembling stable performance, even if they fix most of the overt bugs.

It kinda reminds me of Crysis. Crysis, especially on PS3, was rough. Bear in mind that EA had contracted Crytek to release the 360 and PS3 versions of Crysis in 2008. They got pushed back to 2011. Most firefights were in the teens.


People's expectations of performance and stability are a lot higher than in the 7th gen, or the 6th and 5th gens before them. From a moral perspective, CDPR should have put a warning label on the game saying, "This game will have impaired functionality on hardware below minimum spec." The concept of minimum specs is well understood in the PC world. The reason for not warning people and saying "you're taking a risk here" strikes me as greed. They don't want people making a fully informed decision.

 

[Night.Ninja]

I'm pretty sure they delayed the game because they wanted some PS5s and XSXs in the market. Otherwise, the game would've been reviewed on PS4 and Xbox One, and that'd have been a PR disaster for them.

No way it would have got 9/10 and 10/10 then.

Now it's just, "Yeah the game doesn't run well on base consoles; it's just too ambitous. You should play it on next-gen consoles."

But it's a fucking travesty to suggest that, considering so many people will be playing the game on base consoles at 15 FPS. It's a disaster, but one that no one will talk about now.

Last gen gamers should be great full they get to play this game.

All this game is saying on last game consoles is look how shity these last gen consoles were.

 

[captainraincoat]

so many bugs on the ps5 version...runs like absolute shit in some parts ....series x you can at least put it in framerate mode to get around it

 

[waquzy]

so many bugs on the ps5 version...runs like absolute shit in some parts ....series x you can at least put it in framerate mode to get around it

You mean quality mode.

 

[assurdum]

Jesus Christ what embarrassing show on console. I understand the past generation but really leave in this state the next generation of console it's inexcusable. I will stay away to this turd until a proper upgrade will happens

 

[captainraincoat]

You mean quality mode.

lol.....ps5 you are stuck with the janky framerate...xbox you have vasolene mode or ps5 mode..id go back to pc but i currently cant play it as the game crashes everytime i try to load my save game...i cant even pick an earlier one

 

[MastaKiiLA]

X1S sent to die. PS4 living on borrowed time. XSS on an insulin pump. Not sure how the PS4P and X1X are managing, but it can't be that much better than the XSS. PS5 and XSX versions of this game are honestly the baseline. I honestly can't believe they released this on the current gen systems with that shitty level of performance. That's simply embarrassing. No excuse for it, given the amount of time this cake has been in the oven. It feels like a disservice to those console owners, who waited all this time, just to get served a smelly turd of a performer. Seriously, the X1S version looks unplayable, and the PS4 is barely any better from the looks of it. I don't think you can pass this off as "just too ambitious" in reviews. Given this is intended to be played across multiple platforms, the awful performance on the lower consoles has to be factored into the review scores. I feel sorry for the current gen system owners who preordered this game in good faith, and now have to wait for a next-gen system to become available, just to enjoy the game as it was meant to be played. That's unacceptable.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Should have delayed it

What is that going to do? The game engine isn't going to make stunning visuals or run at 60FPS on last gen consoles. Period. It's a game meant for a significantly more powerful platform.

 

[Matsuchezz]

I was going to buy the game last night but i was able to stop me to press the buy button. I am more hesitant to do it now. I will wait a few months to see if CDPR fix most bugs and improve performance on Ps5. The next gen patches should take some time.

 

[Sakura]

Good thing I got a new computer because I couldn't imagine playing this on the base PS4. Just looks so damn good.
Xbox One S looks super rough.

 

[Burger]

15 FPS on PS4? Man. That really sucks for a lot of people.

What a shambles this is on consoles. Runs like dogshit on PS4/XBone. Looks like PS4/XBone game on PS5/XsX.

The game is incredible on PC but it seems like CDPR couldn't find a middle ground on the consoles.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Last gen gamers should be great full they get to play this game.

All this game is saying on last game consoles is look how shity these last gen consoles were.

What? This is a last-gen game.

So, it is literally not working well on the consoles it was designed for.

CDPR is in my top 4 most favorite studios, but please stop defending corporations for no reason.

 

[Etalsnart]

What is that going to do? The game engine isn't going to make stunning visuals or run at 60FPS on last gen consoles. Period. It's a game meant for a significantly more powerful platform.

Yup, they should have made this next gen only but of course CDPR couldn’t afford to lose that sweet +150m playerbase and their money.

 

[RoadHazard]

Last gen base versions barely playable (IMO actually unplayable), as expected. This game should have been next gen only.

 

[diffusionx]

Yeah I know, that's the point I made in my original post. But if they had integrity they would scrap it because they know it's nowhere near good enough. I could honestly see a class action suit happening.

Class action lawsuit? The game performs the same way hundreds, thousands of titles have performed over the years. It’s a super ambitious game.

 

[digitaltrance]

Where is the RTX 3090?!

 

[K.S v2.0]

old gen consoles need to dIE

If your old gen console isn't dead yet, this game will literally cook it.

 

[IDappa]

Quality mode is unplayable on XSX, it can't be more than 15fps.

Been playing on quality mode and it's been fine.

 

[Evilms]

resolution

Xbox One Fat/S : 20fps on average

 

[paypay88]

Probably should let the professionals handle it, he is obviously, not well equipped.

thats not good , everyone has to start from somewhere. DF being monopoly on tech analysis isnt good thing considering how many times they got sponsored by

 

[Romulus]

This is what I've been saying all along, playing this game specifically on ps4 and xb1 will be a mistake.

It's one thing to play new games on old consoles, but Cyperpunk is a graphical powerful. Worse, not only are the ps4 and xb1 extremely dated, they were some of most underpowered consoles back when they released. Triple whammy.

 

[Sakura]

What? This is a last-gen game.

So, it is literally not working well on the consoles it was designed for.

CDPR is in my top 4 most favorite studios, but please stop defending corporations for no reason.

It's a PC game, I don't see how it can be a last gen game.
They should've made more sacrifices though for the base PS4 and XBO to get it running at a more acceptable framerate, or just not released it for them at all..

 

[BeardGawd]

Didn't the witcher 3 get tons of patches to make it playable? So the choices are either play in its current state if performance isnt a big deal or wait for the patches.

 

[K.S v2.0]

Where is the RTX 3090?!

In all seriousness? Look at 3080 performance and add 20 fps.

Yeah I know, that's the point I made in my original post. But if they had integrity they would scrap it because they know it's nowhere near good enough. I could honestly see a class action suit happening.

Class action suit under what grounds? Where did they actually advertise hard numbers that last gen potatoes would hit? Where did they advertise guaranteed performance minimums at all?

Just because something is 'expected' doesn't mean its guaranteed. The only right you have here is to refund (in some countries...).

 

[Heisenberg007]

It's a PC game, I don't see how it can be a last gen game.
They should've made more sacrifices though for the base PS4 and XBO to get it running at a more acceptable framerate, or just not released it for them at all..

Is it a PC exclusive game?

It is releasing on PC, Xbox One, and PS4. It is supposed to run well on all these consoles. It also makes it a last-gen game (PS4/Xbox One).

 

[JORMBO]

Quality mode is unplayable on XSX, it can't be more than 15fps.

I have played three hours on quality mode and have not seen this once.

If you have PS5 and XSX (or older consoles) go to graphics and disable those terrible filters such as Aberration chromatic. The game is not the sharpest game there, but those filter are blurring the image.

Agree with this. The game looked really soft until I turned all this extra crap off.

 

[Night.Ninja]

What? This is a last-gen game.

So, it is literally not working well on the consoles it was designed for.

CDPR is in my top 4 most favorite studios, but please stop defending corporations for no reason.

Its a pc game held back by last gen

 

[cireza]

Xbox series S is not that much better than last gen consoles. Ouch

No shit. The console runs the Xbox One S version.

 

[Boss Mog]

Class action lawsuit? The game performs the same way hundreds, thousands of titles have performed over the years. It’s a super ambitious game.

Name me five AAA games from gen 7 or 8 that perform at 15-20fps? Surely coming up with 5 out of "hundreds", nay "thousands" should be quite the easy task. I'll be waiting (without holding my breath).

Class action suit under what grounds?

Selling something that was hyped up for 7 years on then brand new consoles but that then isn't really playable (15-20fps) on those same consoles. Not to mention hiding that fact by not showing the base gen 8 console versions AT ALL; deceptive practices if I've ever seen any.

 

[DustQueen]

Well... The mystery of "How the fuck they make it run on last gen" is solved.
It just does not work there.

 

[Master of Disguise]

What? This is a last-gen game.

So, it is literally not working well on the consoles it was designed for.

This is a PC game. A really high end PC game with an ENORMOUS visual gulf between the PC version and the console ports. Some have called this the new Crysis, and there's some merit to that. The idea that Cyberpunk 2077 was designed for the PS4 and XBO is really common, but it's kind of groundless. They showed zero console footage, or screenshots, or even proof that console versions existed in the 7-8 years since this was announced. Everything was PC up until a few weeks ago, then they cautiously showed mid-gen refresh footage from PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

The awkward part is that they chose to release the console side of things as a PS4/XBO game instead of biting the bullet and making it a PC/PS5/Xbox Series title. The sensible thing to do would have been to release this as a PC exclusive and release console versions when they were ready next year. But modern market forced demand those same-day releases, and gotta have all the monies.

 

[oldergamer]

Series X seemed to have a higher res then PS5 in the video, also the details on PS5 were missing like reflective pants on characters, or the film grain seemed to be swimming a bit.

 

[Sakura]

Is it a PC exclusive game?

It is releasing on PC, Xbox One, and PS4. It is supposed to run well on all these consoles. It also makes it a last-gen game (PS4/Xbox One).

You said it was designed for those consoles, when it quite clearly wasn't, and that is what I was responding to.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Resolution between ps5 and xsx is for sure higher on ps5.. Not sure why

Because the ps5 is more powerful.

 

[Night.Ninja]

Is it a PC exclusive game?

It is releasing on PC, Xbox One, and PS4. It is supposed to run well on all these consoles. It also makes it a last-gen game (PS4/Xbox One).

There is only so much you can get out of these consoles

 

[Imtjnotu]

Series X seemed to have a higher res then PS5 in the video, also the details on PS5 were missing like reflective pants on characters, or the film grain seemed to be swimming a bit.

PS5 seemed higher res. The wet road did not have the pop in like the series x did and the fps seemed more locked on PS5

 

[Master of Disguise]

Name me five AAA games from gen 7 or 8 that perform at 15-20fps?

Crysis 2 frequently runs in the low 20s on consoles, and drops into the mid-teens, esp on PS3, during intense shootouts with lots of particles.


Homefront: The Revolution (another Crytek title) was a technical dumpster fire on consoles that ran in the low 20s in heavy scenes and fell into the teens. It got heavily patched and mostly turned around after several months.


Far Cry 3 was really, really rough. Usually fell below 20fps in cutscenes on PS3.


Control performance was absolutely shocking on PS4. Massive sustained drops, freezers, hitching when using menus, etc. Patches helped.


Most developers with struggling games try to keep them above 20fps if they can. Dips into the mid-teens are something most will try to move heaven and earth to avoid.

 

[VectorVictor]

I see that one guy pushing his nitpicked ps5 is better narrative again even when the game is messy on all platforms.

Kind of sucks in what state they released the game.

That one guy? The boards have been lousy with Sony Fanbois throwing up garbage analysis after watching some crappy YouTube comparisons.

The only takeaways is that the PC version is the only decent version—the XSX is pushing more NPCs and background effects than any other console version, but it still has issues (wonder if it’s a case of the XSX pushing the PC version like in COD versus a special PS5 version that has background/scenery removed/altered).

 

[Coolwhhip]

Guess the goodie bags and money hats for reviewers were very impressive. Reading this thread, how can this have a 9+ average.