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Demon's Souls |OT| Power was granted, so the world could be mended

Valonquar

Member
Made a royal caster to snag the final trophy I needed for platinum. Went on to use that character for the luck glitch. After playing the whole game as regen build I must say casters are definitely easy mode. I might grind out the penetrator armor at some point, but dragon god & stormboss get tedious fast. With dragon god I understand you're supposed to hide behind the columns and wait to break the rubble, but the 2nd set of rubble feels like total fucking luck. Usually still get punched and just survive when I do manage to clear that stage even after several loops though NG++
 
I've finished all the others (except Dark Souls II, which I hate...but feel an obligation to get through). This is my first time playing Demon's Souls, though, and I'm enjoying it well enough. It seems like the AI could have used an update, though, unless it was good and then broken in the remake. It seems like the Thief Ring is nearly game-breaking in a lot of places. It allowed me to completely cheese the Maneater fight last night. If you get around the center torch thing, you can circle around easily to where one Maneater will forget about you and turn his back allowing for quick attacks before repeating and the other one that shows up just gets bored and flies away. It was able to deal with them one at a time this way, without even taking a single hit. Was this the case in the original?
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
Happened twice to me.

Restarting the console helps.

I'm not sure why it happens.
I think it's network. I've had the game hitch a couple of times right before network activity. I think it's just a bug. New update seems to have fixed the issue where the tower knight boss fight would often disconnect you as a summon, before the knight dies and you get the credit and souls for it.
 

Con-Z-epT

Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
1- Yes and it will stack with the ring. Gets more powerful as you upgrade it but will not stack with ANOTHER of the same type of weapon.

2- For the monk' head wrapping just go online and put your sign down anywhere in latria...you'll get pulled in. I have like 20 of the head wrappings now from getting pulled in and then people dying before getting to the boss, that's not counting the time's I've actually fought and killed them. Do that once, you can get your head wrapping and be done.

3- that door opens up if you're online. Shows the pantheon of players across the world.

4- You have to bring the souls to him, unfortunately. Oddly, you don't seem to have to bring the stones and upgrade materials, but you have to have the souls on you. :(

Have fun!
Thank you!

I checked the situation after gioGAF's response about the boss souls and your completely right.

I have to have the souls with me.

Thanks again!
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
You guys have a problem with getting messages rated? I've got 1 rating since the game dropped. Every message I've left is 0. Probably left about 20 messages around. Helpful ones too. Lol
Yeah, I think something is wrong with that. I keep getting messages all the time that my note has been rated, but every single one I've come back across so far reports no ratings. I see other messages with THOUSANDS and HUNDREDS of ratings though. Go figure.
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
Souls vets:

Does this remake feel easier to you?

I just beat Flamelurker second attempt without much trouble. Okay, I’m using magic and have the spiked shield, but I remember him being a lot harder.
No, I think they've updated the AI on at least some of the enemies and bosses. Flamelurker used to be laughably easy to get stuck in an area of his arena and I don't think that's the case anymore. Tower Knight certainly doesn't just give up and give you his back much anymore, skeletons are more aggressive (I don't think they give up on chasing you like they used to... trying to just run thru 4-1 with the thief ring even..doesn't seem possible anymore)...etc. Oh, the Dragon God, which used to be pretty much a joke and a 'gimme' is SERIOUS now. You'd BETTER pay attention to him! So I think they cranked things up a notch overall. That being said, some of the ways to deal with those enemies are part of what the experience is. Figuring it out so you can move thru the levels and shortcuts. That's also why the world and character tendencies are cool as they can change things up and give you additional challenges.

Like any game...once you KNOW it, you know it. Then it's all about NG+ and believe me, things gradually ratchet up every time you do an NG+ to a crazy level. Good times!
 

Arthimura

Member
Souls vets:

Does this remake feel easier to you?

I just beat Flamelurker second attempt without much trouble. Okay, I’m using magic and have the spiked shield, but I remember him being a lot harder.

No, to me it feels the same.

Some bosses gave me more trouble in the original, others gave me more trouble in the Remake.

I killed the Tower Knight way more easy in the Remake.
The Leechmonger however was harder than i remember, i didn't had any trouble with him in the original.
 
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#Phonepunk#

Banned
remake feels the same to me AI in general. i still struggled like heck through 4-2 just like on the og game.

the crystal lizards are a little easier to get but not by much.
 
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Sinthor

Gold Member
1-1 red eye knight seems harder to cheese with the stairs trick.

LOL. I don't remember if it happens in the PS3 version as well, but I found that you can't kill the Red Dragon in 1-1. I was killing him on the bridge, whittling him down as he did his flame runs and then he just flew off and disappeared! He was back in 1-2 and unfortunately...back to full health!

I just finished doing all the -1 world levels with my level 6 royalty (Crescent Falchion +1 FTW!) and took out the leech monger as well. Heading for the Large Sword of Moonlight tonight! Get that nice an early and already have some colorless demon souls to upgrade it! This char is going to be a BEAST at, or a tad lower than soul level 20! Lots of sneaking, but I've killed everything along the way!
 

Paulxo87

Member
So last night I went and found the dragon longsword+1 in 2-2. It's very deep and very hidden in the mines. I was using the claymore previously but this sword shreds anything that moves. Every enemy you hit with it gets set on fire. I'm thinking I can rip through the rest of the game with this thing.
 

vpance

Member
No there is a certain spot on the staricase you need to stand and he falls every single time.

Oh I thought that might be the case. I only tried running downstairs full blast and he followed really far almost every time.

LOL. I don't remember if it happens in the PS3 version as well, but I found that you can't kill the Red Dragon in 1-1. I was killing him on the bridge, whittling him down as he did his flame runs and then he just flew off and disappeared! He was back in 1-2 and unfortunately...back to full health!

I just finished doing all the -1 world levels with my level 6 royalty (Crescent Falchion +1 FTW!) and took out the leech monger as well. Heading for the Large Sword of Moonlight tonight! Get that nice an early and already have some colorless demon souls to upgrade it! This char is going to be a BEAST at, or a tad lower than soul level 20! Lots of sneaking, but I've killed everything along the way!

He flew away? That's weird. Maybe thief ring effect? I was able to kill him in like 20 mins using soul arrows.
 

Con-Z-epT

Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
The maneater fight was brutal.

Its so easy to get pushed of the sides.

And when you dont kill the first one fast enough and the second comes its basically over.

But i managed to kill them.

Feels good.

Onto the next one!
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
No, I think they've updated the AI on at least some of the enemies and bosses. Flamelurker used to be laughably easy to get stuck in an area of his arena and I don't think that's the case anymore. Tower Knight certainly doesn't just give up and give you his back much anymore, skeletons are more aggressive (I don't think they give up on chasing you like they used to... trying to just run thru 4-1 with the thief ring even..doesn't seem possible anymore)...etc.

Tower Knight felt pretty easy too, just ran around to his back, tickled his ankles with the falchion, and belted him with Soul Arrow. You’re right on the skeletons though. Irritating bastards.

I did actually die twice to Dragon God though, so they‘ve improved him somewhat.

I guess going with a magic build has made the whole thing a lot easier.
 
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Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
Pure black world tendency can be tough, in 1-3 two fat officials black phantoms shows up and maybe because I'm on my 3rd playthrough but all their attacks can one shot me even in full health body form.
 

Ar¢tos

Member
Got the 2 online trophies today, gonna delete the save and restart some time later (killing a player for the trophy messes up CT, and getting the Friend's Ring on that char becomes impossible offline in one play through)
But going into DeS after Astro Bot is a huge shock (mood, not difficulty specifically, muscle memory returned instantly during the tutorial).
 

R6Rider

Gold Member
Currently collecting all the rings on one of my characters. This character has had worlds and character go from Pure White to Pure Black, but now I'm only missing 3.
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
Oh I thought that might be the case. I only tried running downstairs full blast and he followed really far almost every time.



He flew away? That's weird. Maybe thief ring effect? I was able to kill him in like 20 mins using soul arrows.
Did you kill him on the bridge he hits with flame in the very first level of the palace? 1-1? Or did you kill him after fighting the first boss- Phalanx? I was shooting him on the very first bridge where you first see him. If you were able to kill him there, I must have had a glitch somehow. I wasn't able to kill him till later when you're running along the walkways while he makes flaming runs. Get to the top of the first tower and shoot him for 10-20 minutes. :)
 

Rolla

Banned
Recognise the feeling and joy of when a scary, hostile, confusing area gets completely familiar and feels like home. That is, ultimately, what the Souls hook is for me.

Each time you die and restart at the bonfire, you are one step closer to that warm familiarity.

Some practical tips

- Don’t overlook the bow in chipping down energy of tougher enemies, or enemies that have a hard-to-block close attack

- Always hold your shield up when you are anywhere

- Some enemies in Demon’s Souls specifically may seem to have a lot of energy when you use the L1 attack, but will lose a lot of it to a L2 thrust attack (provided your weapon has thrust)

- Roll makes you invincible to almost anything for a second or so

I appreciate the tips, info, and know how. Especially since I've seen people ask simmilar questions elsewhere and people automatically think that you're trying to make the game easy which isn't the case. I can't wait to jump into the challenge.

I think I'm going to start with the Temple Knight build.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
As a Nintendo Fan and this being my first souls game. Even the peasants and lowly mobs are kicking my ass :( Someone teach me to be good. I'm used to prancing through meadows and jumping on goombas heads.
you can do it! some beginners tips:

- every item you pick up is instantly and forever in your inventory. so suicide runs to grab items are cool.
- don't worry about dying. i have fought bosses for hours on end before beating them. every death you learn more.
- levels usually work by having a main route that ends by going to the boss gate and also opening a shortcut back to the start. this makes it so you can usually just run by every enemy and speed run to boss fights. the first level gets that points across pretty well.
- save up for the Heater shield and use that. it has 100% physical defense, meaning it will block anything blockable. not all shields are 100% so you get chip damage from them, but this will block anything.
- start out by taking it one enemy at a time. easiest way to fight in the beginning is by holding up your shield, letting them hit you, then killing them after you block their attack.
- think of this more as an RPG than as an action game. often the solution to an enemy or blocked part of the level is discoverable through exploring. when you hit a roadblock, take some time to explore. you can find new gear, upgrade equipment, healing items, shortcuts, etc. by exploring. you can find free souls all across the world as well, so exploring helps you level up.
- speaking of which, you will not be able to level up until you beat the first boss, The Phalanx. save all your firebombs for this fight and use them liberally on this boss. then use Pine Resin to coat your sword in fire, two-hand it, and gouge away to victory.
- VIT will level your health, END your stamina as well as equipment weight tolerance (more END means you can wear heavier armor). the ratio affects your roll speed and anything below 50% is good for rolling.
- save your boss souls, give them to Stockpile Thomas, because later you can use them to obtain spells and rare weapons. feel free to consume any other anonymous souls you find before levelling.
 
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Ogbert

Member
Enjoying it.

But some red phantom prick has turned up at the beginning of 4-1 and I’ve died about 30 times straight to him. One shots me.
 

johntown

Banned
No, to me it feels the same.

Some bosses gave me more trouble in the original, others gave me more trouble in the Remake.

I killed the Tower Knight way more easy in the Remake.
The Leechmonger however was harder than i remember, i didn't had any trouble with him in the original.
I play a mage and in the original I was able to snipe the Tower Knight from above with magic. I tried this time and nope I get hit.

Dragon God was either changed or has a glitch where you get burned after breaking the very last obstacle. I have seen it happen to others and it happened to me too. It's like if you go too fast you get burned. When I went slower it worked as I remember.

Magic might be slightly slower too than the original.

I also don't recall be de-leveled for dying to gravity as an invader.
 

Raven117

Member
I've finished all the others (except Dark Souls II, which I hate...but feel an obligation to get through). This is my first time playing Demon's Souls, though, and I'm enjoying it well enough. It seems like the AI could have used an update, though, unless it was good and then broken in the remake. It seems like the Thief Ring is nearly game-breaking in a lot of places. It allowed me to completely cheese the Maneater fight last night. If you get around the center torch thing, you can circle around easily to where one Maneater will forget about you and turn his back allowing for quick attacks before repeating and the other one that shows up just gets bored and flies away. It was able to deal with them one at a time this way, without even taking a single hit. Was this the case in the original?
Nah, we used to cheese by shooting through the fog and killed one of them before the fight even started. Felt good.
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
Enjoying it.

But some red phantom prick has turned up at the beginning of 4-1 and I’ve died about 30 times straight to him. One shots me.
Ugh. I hate it when people do that. I only invade to get the trophy stuff and if I see I'm invading the same person...after the second or third time if I see it's happened again, I just pull back out. I'm not in the game to wreck anyone's day!
 

Arthimura

Member
I play a mage and in the original I was able to snipe the Tower Knight from above with magic. I tried this time and nope I get hit.

Dragon God was either changed or has a glitch where you get burned after breaking the very last obstacle. I have seen it happen to others and it happened to me too. It's like if you go too fast you get burned. When I went slower it worked as I remember.

Magic might be slightly slower too than the original.

I also don't recall be de-leveled for dying to gravity as an invader.

Currently i finished all the *-1 bosses and Tower Knight. And i'm using the same starting build i played in the original(Royal).

The main difference i felt until now was in the Leechmonger fight, in the original i remember killing him from afar using Magic. In the Remake i couldn't outdamage his healing, so i went to close combat and killed him using the fire resin in my sword.

In the original i killed the Tower Knight with magic too, but in the Remake i had some trouble hitting him with magic, so i went to close combat too and it ended up being way easier, i used a hit-and-run tactic and after you damage him enough, he will fall into the ground and you can deal some good damage.

I'm planning to play the original again when i finish the main PS5 games released thus far, i still have my PS3 and physical copy of the game, so i will see what is really different in the game and what is variations from my playstyle changing through the years.
 
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Ogbert

Member
Ugh. I hate it when people do that. I only invade to get the trophy stuff and if I see I'm invading the same person...after the second or third time if I see it's happened again, I just pull back out. I'm not in the game to wreck anyone's day!

No, this dude is an npc. Looked him up - Black Phantom Satsuki. I just spent about ten minutes chipping away at him, he then heals back up to full and I just zoned out.

I presume it’s the games way of telling me to go elsewhere and level up.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
The main difference i felt until now was in the Leechmonger fight, in the original i remember killing him from afar using Magic. In the Remake i couldn't outdamage his healing, so i went to close combat and killed him using the fire resin in my sword.
I thought I was going crazy when I would spam my spell as quickly as possible and it wasn't fast enough. I looked up some guides online and they all said "yeah, just stand up top and get him with magic lol" and I thought I must have been doing something wrong.
 

johntown

Banned
Currently i finished all the *-1 bosses and Tower Knight. And i'm using the same starting build i played in the original(Royal).

The main difference i felt until now was in the Leechmonger fight, in the original i remember killing him from afar using Magic. In the Remake i couldn't outdamage his healing, so i went to close combat and killed him using the fire resin in my sword.

In the original i killed the Tower Knight with magic too, but in the Remake i had some trouble hitting him with magic, so i went to close combat too and it ended up being way easier, i used a hit-and-run tactic and after you damage him enough, he will fall into the ground and you can deal some good damage.

I'm planning to play the original again when i finish the main PS5 games released thus far, i still have my PS3 and physical copy of the game, so i will see what is really different in the game and what is variations from my playstyle changing through the years.
I have not made it to Leechmonger yet but yeah I recall doing the same strat you mentioned. What spell did you use against him? I remember using homing soul arrow and maybe fireball or flame toss.

Yeah I went down and killed him on ground level too.....pretty easy. Yeah I still my copy too and I can play it on my PC with better resolution.
 

Arthimura

Member
I have not made it to Leechmonger yet but yeah I recall doing the same strat you mentioned. What spell did you use against him? I remember using homing soul arrow and maybe fireball or flame toss.

Yeah I went down and killed him on ground level too.....pretty easy. Yeah I still my copy too and I can play it on my PC with better resolution.

I used the Fireball spell in the remake, can't remember if i used a stronger spell in the og game.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
just took out the Leechmonger around noon. i kept throwing fire at him but the auto heal was too much so i dropped to the ground and melee'd it. get up in his face w a two handed sword on fire ftw.

still, he is a master at the health regen.
 
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vpance

Member
Did you kill him on the bridge he hits with flame in the very first level of the palace? 1-1? Or did you kill him after fighting the first boss- Phalanx? I was shooting him on the very first bridge where you first see him. If you were able to kill him there, I must have had a glitch somehow. I wasn't able to kill him till later when you're running along the walkways while he makes flaming runs. Get to the top of the first tower and shoot him for 10-20 minutes. :)

Killed him on the bridge from the second tower I think. After killing Phalanx.
 

Bartski

Gold Member
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Is it confirmed that they made NG+ and beyond harder? I'm getting one-hit killed a whole lot by random enemies, and I definitely do not remember that being a thing back in the day.
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
I've been so inspired by Demon's Souls that I finally went back to my PS3 version and platinum'd that today. I only had the elusive Rings trophy to obtain, so all I had to do was:
  • Kill Black Phantom Executioner Miralda
  • Kill Black Phantom Scirvir the Wanderer
  • Kill Black Phantom Satsuki
  • Kill Black Phantom Rydell
  • Kill Black Phantom Selen Vinland
All that in New Game +4. Luckily, my old souls character is level 376.

And even then, it still wasn't enough. So thank God for the online PS3 Souls server, because after I beat Maneaters in Latria, I finally, FINALLY got a real life Old Monk summon, and after I whooped his ass, Pure White Character Tendency was all mine, along with the Friend's Ring and the platinum trophy.

And with that, I bid you a fond farewell, Demon's Souls. Come get me when the 6th Archstone has been released as DLC...and if it never is, what a waste that will be.
 

Portugeezer

Member
The maneater fight was brutal.

Its so easy to get pushed of the sides.

And when you dont kill the first one fast enough and the second comes its basically over.

But i managed to kill them.

Feels good.

Onto the next one!
They're kicking my ass... And every person I have summoned has been more useless than me.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
They're kicking my ass... And every person I have summoned has been more useless than me.
What level are you? I didn't have much trouble with them. Take a dragon sword +5 there and you should be fine. A magic shield should help with his wind attack.

That asshole red demon on the way there gave me more trouble.
 
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