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DF- Devil May Cry 5 SE: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - The First Next-Gen Performance Face-Off

the_master

Member
Is this thread 12 pages because the xsex version is better? (but except for the 120 mode that is unstable and only working on 120hz displays, in which case, the whole ps5 experience is broken in all modes with no way to fix it because of inconsistem framerrate)
 

Valyndis

Neo Member
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Interesting
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I think nobody wants to admit that they're really damn near the same in performance.
This is what I have been saying, probably like many other reasonable people... But many focus on the 120fps mode, instead of the other modes where the games run within... Almost nothing.

This is a hard blow for the series X fans because they were led to believe that the difference would be "staggering", their console would destroy the ps5 in performance. The series X was supposed to outperform a 2080ti in real world performance, the ps5 was supposed to perform below the published specs, actual difference was closer to 30-40% they told us... Worse when RT is used they told us.

I am well pleased with how the ps5 performs in this game relatively to its main competition, above its relative weight... But most of the fun is coming from watching how the discussion turns out, sometimes it reminds me of the misterXmedia/DX 12/cloud ☁️ computing of early last gen, when MS oversold their products, yet people cling to Phil's every word like it was gospel (I'm not religious, but you get the idea).

Now we have excuses 🤣.
 
I wouldn't take that occasional big advantage on ps5 as indication of something. With all respect.
Where do I talk about that, the relative closeness in the other modes is what surprised me the most.

I'll wait for a few more comparisons like this, but I wouldn't expect things to change much.

Give me more excuses why the series X punches below its weight 🥳.
 

PaintTinJr

Member
Like I said.. cropped images, not same position. Not sure how you think this is anything conclusive without seeing the actual full screens. The narrower distance between the bollards in the PS5 version are because he hasn't reached them, whereas the XSX version they appear wider because he is walking through them. They aren't narrower because of draw distance, they are narrower because of position and perspective. Like I said before.. closer to a mountain I get the more of it I see. Maybe you can find a better example of a difference in FOV in the video, but the picture you posted seems like a stretch of a claim.
The part that has me convinced the most(in this section from 3:14 onwards in the video) is that even though the camera on PS5 looks to be behind, by the time 3:25 is reached the background wall shadow creature shape movement is triggered in sync on both views - which it shouldn't if the ps5 is behind.

The wall shadow creature shape renders slightly differently on both, as though a smaller resolution shadow map is used on the XsX to generate fx as it has smaller coverage - and possibly harder edges -, and the position of the fx ilooks to have drifted lower, which again suggests a different frustum as the shadow mapping is impacted by changes in these matrixes and causes positional drift - and also there is more of assets in view on the PS5 shots

Here's three pictures from that section at 3:25-3:26 to show what I mean

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MarkMe2525

Member
We will have games that really show the strengths of each respective console. This, launch lineup multiplatform remaster, isn't the game. It's really a waste of time and no matter what side you're on, splitting hairs about this game to proclaim your platform of choice is better makes you look like an idiot.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
This is where it was suppose to blow PS5 out of the water but yet we are hearing excuses about the API
People are guessing it's the APIs, but that makes no sense since there are plenty of better games that run at 120fps just fine. This games performance is a mess on both consoles. In 3 of the 4 modes it's better without question on the Xbox. In the 4th they've obviously stuffed up the xbox version.
 

onQ123

Member
People are guessing it's the APIs, but that makes no sense since there are plenty of better games that run at 120fps just fine. This games performance is a mess on both consoles. In 3 of the 4 modes it's better without question on the Xbox. In the 4th they've obviously stuffed up the xbox version.

So what about the screen tearing in some other Xbox Series X games if it's just this game?
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
So what about the screen tearing in some other Xbox Series X games if it's just this game?
What about it? Screen tearing isn't a symptom of "bad APIs" or anything like that lol. Did you think that this gen would not have locked framerates for everything with zero tearing or something?
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
People are guessing it's the APIs, but that makes no sense since there are plenty of better games that run at 120fps just fine. This games performance is a mess on both consoles. In 3 of the 4 modes it's better without question on the Xbox. In the 4th they've obviously stuffed up the xbox version.

It very well could still be the API. Not all engines will play nice with APIs.
 

onQ123

Member
What about it? Screen tearing isn't a symptom of "bad APIs" or anything like that lol. Did you think that this gen would not have locked framerates for everything with zero tearing or something?

I was talking about you saying that it was just this game , I'm not saying it's the API
 

thelastword

Banned
Non like for like scenes where there is a heavy plume of effects, shows PS5 dipping worse then XBOX in 4K mode...Good going DF, reminds me of the Dragon Age comparison and the Far Cry 4 comparison from DF last gen.

PS5 looks to have a tad higher resolution in 4k mode and looks to have cleaner backgrounds.......Where is Nxgamer and Vgtech for a more comprehensive and take on this.....We need numbers, proper observations, eagle eyes and some good attention to detail...
 
I don't know why some of you people are trying to make excuses for why the Xbox Series X is trading blows with PS5 and why the gap in performance isn't that great.

Anyone who thought the 20% GPU difference would translate to a consistent 20% difference in game performance was being delusional. it never works out that way. The API being used is just as important as what paper specs your console has. And guess what, this small gap will be very common in a lot of other multiplat games as well, so please get use to it and accept the fact that paper specs don't tell the whole story.

The whole "But Capcom doesn't optimize for Xbox" excuse won't be something you'll be able to use for long when other multiplats show similar results.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned
I'm talking about this
o.....k....?

Then you mentioned screen tearing.......for what? Like I asked, do you think that screen tearing means the devs are having problems with the hardware? Did you think that no games would have screen tearing or framerate drops this generation? Do you think the PS5 will have every game locked at 30/60/120 with no tearing?

Stop dancing around and just say what you mean.
 
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ZehDon

Gold Member
*Watches DF video*
"Interesting; looks likes the Devs are still coming to grips with the hardware. Performance is all over the place, and basically none of it is optimal."
*Sees NeoGAF thread on video*
"Cool, I wonder what folks are thinking, in terms of where the problems are coming from. Let's take a lo--"
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thelastword

Banned
So the PS5 is ahead in performance mode by over 60fps at points.....

When the XBOX is ahead, Richard concludes that it's all normal, when the PS5 is ahead by a greater margin, Richard concludes, it's strange, it's api related.....PS5 performing faster is "punching above it's weight". How is that for a technical explanation. Maybe Richard, PS5 has no bottlenecks in 1080p 120fps mode and since the GPU is clocked higher with less bottlenecks it performs better.

So all the rage on 120fps modes recently and people are about to write it off now....."not many 120fps tv's etc.."......The crucial thing is this looks like a glimpse of what PS5 is capable of, I'm sure the game is not even optimized for the PS5's geometry engine in the 4k mode.....What you see here is the raw efficiencies working together in high framerate mode.....So it looks like PS5 will be your high framerate champion, yet as we excel, true next gen multiplats will really show PS5's strengths even in RT and 4k modes...
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
You got to love this forum sometimes. A clear loss for PS5 with this game, the main 3 modes that everyone will be playing are better on XSX, yet somehow its being twisted into some kind of 'win' for PS5.
You couldnt make this shit up.
Yeh it’s hilarious because before this all the talk was about how the patented cerny magic ssd and zero bottlenecks would make games run better on the PS5, yet now they’re all celebrating only losing by 10% on average lol.

“Haha you didn’t beat us by much! We thought we’d beat you but now we’ll laugh because you only beat us by a fair bit instead of a massive amount”

Truly bizarre behaviour.
 

Stuart360

Member
Yeh it’s hilarious because before this all the talk was about how the patented cerny magic ssd and zero bottlenecks would make games run better on the PS5, yet now they’re all celebrating only losing by 10% on average lol.

“Haha you didn’t beat us by much! We thought we’d beat you but now we’ll laugh because you only beat us by a fair bit instead of a massive amount”

Truly bizarre behaviour.
The funny thing is, i said on here a couple of weeks ago, i think in the Watchdogs thread, that if there was one launch game that i thought would probably be better on PS5, it was Devil May Cry, simply because of how little effort a lot of Japanese devs put into the OneX versions of their games, and yet even this game is better on XSX.
Anyway been playing Valhalla all day, and hooked into it now. Got WatchDogs installed and ready to go.Think i'm going to take a few days away from here and have fun, let the radicals get this shit out of their system lol.
 
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Radical_3d

Member
I think the differential in 4K mode is less than what you’d expected to see in a machine 20% slower as the PS5 is, hence what Leadbetter quote of PS5 punching above its weight. I’m glad this comparison finally closes the “9TF machine” narrative. All in all 4K mode is no news, since it was already obvious that the Xbox is more powerful. The high performance mode is the mystery here.
 

Tajaz2426

Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
I think both platforms need optimization to be running better. This feels like they implemented this stuff on the fly.
 

FritzJ92

Member
13 pages discussing a shitty port, of a game that had a last-minute patch to add ray-tracing on Xbox is kind of ridiculous... while this isn't PS4 vs XB1, I high doubt this is the game to make any basis of... wait for COD or BF or something with more polish
 
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Tajaz2426

Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Yeh it’s hilarious because before this all the talk was about how the patented cerny magic ssd and zero bottlenecks would make games run better on the PS5, yet now they’re all celebrating only losing by 10% on average lol.

“Haha you didn’t beat us by much! We thought we’d beat you but now we’ll laugh because you only beat us by a fair bit instead of a massive amount”

Truly bizarre behaviour.
I think has has to do with people saying it is going to kill the PS5. I don’t do warring but from the outside looking in, people like you are interesting to watch. The PS5 didn’t get blown out and the are pretty identical considering the claimed advantage.

Yes, it is truly bizarre coming from console fanboys such as yourself.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned
Don't worry, you will have many other games to take such a defensive position on.

"Surprises" are coming.
Ah the mystical “ps5 surprises are coming” hahaha. So much secret sauce! Get out of here with that rubbish lol.

seriously, suggesting that the PS5 won’t always have the full 10TB is an instant ban but the constant BS “PS5 surprise” crap is fine. Ridiculous.
 
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ZehDon

Gold Member
Don't worry, you will have many other games to take such a defensive position on.

"Surprises" are coming.
I'd be careful with the faux "insider" inferences around these parts, friend.

What surprises do you think are coming?
 
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