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[01011001]

It's a bad deal pound for pound.

The same games run better on the One X.

Microsoft are mugging people off with this console, no doubt they will be making a much bigger profit margin on it in comparison to the X. It's the reincarnation of the original Xbox One.

so the One X version has raytracing now? cool! didn't know that!

This console was a mistake.

people also seem to forget that DMC5 has to drop its resolution to 1080p on PS5 in order to run at 60fps with raytracing...

raytracing is extremely taxing, when will people start to understand this?

so to compare these 2 titles,
DMC5 targets 1080p60 on PS4 without Raytracing, Watch Dogs Legion targets 1080p30 on PS4 without Raytracing
DMC5 targets 1080p60 on PS5 with Raytracing, Watch Dogs Legion targets 1080p30 on Series S with Raytracing



in conclusion, the PS5 was a mistake, it can't push DMC5 above current gen resolutions when using raytracing, so if we follow the logic of some of this forum's high IQ individuals, the PS5 is underpowered... I mean, who could argue with them? A game runs at the same target resolution on the next gen system when implementing raytracing... that has to mean the console is weak and a failure. THX guys, now we know

 

[Edgelord79]

When the marketing wanted people to believe that "XSS is totally like the XSX but at 1440p instead of native 4K" and then it turns out that even in cross gen games the effective performance is much less (just like the XSX can't do native 4K in every game), it's normal for people to complain.

This is silly. Maybe you shouldn't always believe marketing from a company that is trying to sell you something. Frozen pizza is not as good as take out pizza, yet often times its marketed as such.

 

[FunkMiller]

Good grief.

This thing is a turd.

Why did they claim so much, when it clearly couldn’t -

never mind. Microsoft.

 

[GHG]

so the One X version has raytracing now? cool! didn't know that!

How do they run better on the one x???

Resolution.

Framerate is TBC.

If you think raytracing is worth it on a box this weak then more power to you.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

How do they run better on the one x???

I akes myself the same thing. Maybe he knows things no one else knows.

 

[YoshiMax]

Woeful. This is not next gen. Anybody buying this box is a clown. Buy Series X instead if you love gaming.

Some people buy a new console to play FIFA and COD a couple of times a week not because they “love gaming” whatever that isn’t supposed to entail. They maybe don’t want to spend £450 they won’t use that often. It’s perfect for them - do you understand that or do they need to pick up their “I love gaming” badge before they’re allowed into the ecosystem? You’re trolling or should never work in the industry with your incredibly limited views.

 

[01011001]

Resolution.

Framerate is TBC.

If you think raytracing is worth it on a box this weak then more power to you.

the developers of DMC5 have no issue using the same resolution as current gen machines when running with raytracing on PS5... so I mean

 

[Entroyp]

But...but it's pushing the PS5

I’ve seen this comment quite a few times now, what’s behind it?

 

[Stilton Disco]

Well, this doesn't bode ill for how games are going to perform on the system, what with them inevitably becoming more complex and demanding as the generation goes on, at all.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Series s is a case of too many pies in too many fingers

 

[Damian black]

ps5 digital is so much of a better deal than this at this point, it's not even funny.

 

[heringer]

If it's with RT ON, then it's not too bad (it's pretty demanding).

If it's with RT OFF, then it's pretty disappointing.

 

[01011001]

If it's with RT ON, then it's not too bad (it's pretty demanding).

If it's with RT OFF, then it's pretty disappointing.

it's with RT

 

[Skifi28]

Buy cheap things and you get cheap results.

More like make cheap things, make developers support them for the next several years.

 

[dottme]

Resolution.

Framerate is TBC.

If you think raytracing is worth it on a box this weak then more power to you.

From a marketing point of view, yes. For the rest, probably no.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Does it look great on a 1080p TV? If yes then who the fuck cares..

 

[mckmas8808]

Surprising nobody. I expect the Series S to be in that 1080p/1440p range throughout it's life. Were people expecting otherwise?

Dynamic 1080p means it maxes out at 1080p. Expect it to average around 900p with some low drops to 720p at times.

 

[Proelite]

Series S has RT, dynamic 1080p with RT is fine.

Xbone launched with most games in 720p-<900p range.

 

[GHG]

the developers of DMC5 have no issue using the same resolution as current gen machines when running with raytracing on PS5... so I mean

Yeh and that's what it takes if you want 60fps with ray tracing (without a temporal upscaling solution) on that console. If you want 60fps with ray tracing on these machines something has to give.

It would be better if people admitted what these consoles are really capable of.

We are slowly getting there as the performance numbers roll in and the reality starts to set in for those who were talking nonsense about native 4k this, Ray tracing that, 1440p this (in the S's case) and 120fps that.

 

[StateofMajora]

Watch dogs was a mistake.

There ya go

So was this game.

Yeah, it's not like this game isn't otherworldly poorly unoptimized.

 

[01011001]

Yeh and that's what it takes if you want 60fps with ray tracing (without a temporal upscaling solution) on that console. If you want 60fps with ray tracing on these machines something has to give.

It would be better if people admitted what these consoles are really capable of.

We are slowly getting there as the performance numbers roll in and the reality starts to set in for those who were talking nonsense about native 4k this, Ray tracing that, 1440p this (in the S's case) and 120fps that.

my point was also the hypocrisy of many on this forum once again.

Watch Dogs runs current gen resolution + current gen framerate + raytracing on Series S = OMG! THAT CONSOLE IS SO UNDERPOWERED!
DMC5 runs current gen resolution + current gen framerate + raytracing on PS5 = no negative reaction whatsoever...

 

[GHG]

my point was also the hypocrisy of many on this forum once again.

Watch Dogs runs current gen resolution + current gen framerate + raytracing on Series S = OMG! THAT CONSOLE IS SO UNDERPOWERED!
DMC5 runs current gen resolution + current gen framerate + raytracing on PS5 = no negative reaction whatsoever...

If only that hypocrisy only went in one direction right?

 

[Phrixotrichus]

That happens when you put out a next gen console in name but only give it 2/3rds of the innards of an actual next gen console.
The XSS singlehandedly drags down the development line for all multiplats for the whole gen......

 

[mckmas8808]

I’ve seen this comment quite a few times now, what’s behind it?

There were people months ago (around this summer) that were pushing the narrative that the PS5 was really a 9TF console with question marks because Sony weren't talking. They were saying that if you compared 4K games on the PS5 to 1080p games on the Xbox Series X, they'd look basically the same due to MS having VRS.

This was also back when those same people said the PS5 had a RDNA 1.5 GPU and the GPU in XSS was pure RDNA 2.0

 

[KyoZz]

This game is 60fps only in PC

And even on PC it's complicated

 

[MrS]

Some people buy a new console to play FIFA and COD a couple of times a week not because they “love gaming” whatever that isn’t supposed to entail. They maybe don’t want to spend £450 they won’t use that often. It’s perfect for them - do you understand that or do they need to pick up their “I love gaming” badge before they’re allowed into the ecosystem? You’re trolling or should never work in the industry with your incredibly limited views.

Relax. All I'm saying is if you want to actually experience the benefits of next gen, buy XSX or PS5. S will be decent for a year or two then you'll want to trade up. Today, Series S looks like a bad deal. If people solely want FIFA and CoD, might as well stick with Pro and Xbox One X - no need to buy a Series S right now.

 

[01011001]

If only that hypocrisy only went in one direction right?

it doesn't and I never said it does, but especially towards the Series S many are talking out of their asses

 

[Shrap]

MS announced this console as a 1080p to 1440p machine. If Its doing RT (which I believe it is) theres NO surprise there, since Its running on dynamic 4k on a MUCH stronger console.

Everyone knows Series S is a tuned One X, and never meant to be a 4k machine for next gen games.

But people will pretend to be shocked in every single thread about it.

That's a blatant lie. Here's an actual capture from the official trailer:

They marketed it as a 1440p machine. Not only is it not achieving that here it isn't even achieving 1080p consistently.

 

[Elios83]

Series X doesn't run Watch Dogs at 4K so why would anyone expect series S to run it at 1440p?

The S is marketed as the budget option. Compromises are expected. And that's what it's doing.

The issue is that based on the trend that is emerging Series S won't be able to run a lot of games at 1440p. Even Fortnite is 1080p, Yakuza is sub 1080p, Gears5 is dynamic and res can go as low as 720p I was reading today...
All current gen stuff.
Again it's the whole marketing message that was wrong.
They wanted people to believe that XSX is native 4K60fps everywhere and XSS is same graphics and same performance of XSX but at 1440p.
That is not the reality as people are finding out.

This is silly. Maybe you shouldn't always believe marketing from a company that is trying to sell you something. Frozen pizza is not as good as take out pizza, yet often times its marketed as such.

So people shouldn't be disappointed and voice against misleading marketing?
Personally I didn't believe any of it. I knew that given the specs you couldn't expect magic and Series S is more a 1080p console.
But when the S was announced that was not the case for a lot of people,many drunk the marketing message of the 1440p console without hesitation in the previous months.

 

[GHG]

it doesn't and I never said it does, but especially towards the Series S many are talking out of their asses

You can say that again.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

So, i'll not be a reactionary fanboy like a majority of the names on the first page and put this down to Ubisoft being piss poort at making games as usual. It is known, and the people mocking this know it too, but it's bad for Xbox therefore good ammo to use to stroke their ego.

 

[heringer]

it's with RT

I dunno. Article sure isn't clear on that.

 

[01011001]

That's a blatant lie. Here's an actual capture from the official trailer:

They marketed it as a 1440p machine. Not only is it not achieving that here it isn't even achieving 1080p consistently.

so are you also gonna call Sony out for marketing the PS5 as a 4K console when DMC5 only runs at 1080p when RT is on? Also Watch Dogs' dynamic resolution will most likely fall below 1440p on it as well...

 

[Certinty]

Should have just released a digital Series X for $399 instead in all honesty.

 

[Nikana]

The issue is that based on the trend that is emerging Series S won't be able to run a lot of games at 1440p. Even Fortnite is 1080p, Yakuza is sub 1080p, Gears5 is dynamic and res can go as low as 720p I was reading today...
All current gen stuff.
Again it's the whole marketing message that was wrong.
They wanted people to believe that XSX is native 4K60fps everywhere and XSS is same graphics and same performance of XSX but at 1440p.
That is not the reality as people are finding out.



So people shouldn't be disappointed and voice against misleading marketing?
Personally I didn't believe any of it. I knew that given the specs you couldn't expect magic and Series S is more a 1080p console.
But when the S was announced that was not the case for a lot of people,many drunk the marketing message of the 1440p console without hesitation in the previous months.

Sounds like the only issue is people bought the marketing of a corporation. The same way ps5 and and Series X are marketed as 4K machines. If you thought everything on next gen was going to be 4K you played yourself. Same as Series S and 1440p.

 

[Warnen]

Dynamic 4k, dynamic 1080p. What disappointment all around.

 

[Mister Wolf]

More like make cheap things, make developers support them for the next several years.

The cheap want to play videogames too.

 

[Dampf]

That happens when you put out a next gen console in name but only give it 2/3rds of the innards of an actual next gen console.
The XSS singlehandedly drags down the development line for all multiplats for the whole gen......

No it won't and Watch Dogs is actually proof of that. GPU horse power is literally the only thing that is dialed way back down. And as you can see, Microsoft and Ubisoft allow the console to go below 1080p which means it doesn't hold anything back.

 

[Phrixotrichus]

my point was also the hypocrisy of many on this forum once again.

Watch Dogs runs current gen resolution + current gen framerate + raytracing on Series S = OMG! THAT CONSOLE IS SO UNDERPOWERED!
DMC5 runs current gen resolution + current gen framerate + raytracing on PS5 = no negative reaction whatsoever...

because the RT implementations are toooootally comparable in those games.
Apples to M1A1 Abrams comparisons........

Your question should be what happens when a developer wants to implement graphical features to an extent that it forces the XSX to buckle and drop the resolution in the ~1440p region. Will that developer do it and invest time and money to get the best possible visuals out of the xsx just to scrub it all again for the xss, or will developers make their lifes easy and just accept the xss @~1080p as the baseline and upscale from there........
90% will do the latter.

No it won't and Watch Dogs is actually proof of that. GPU horse power is literally the only thing that is dialed way back down. And as you can see, Microsoft and Ubisoft allow the console to go below 1080p which means it doesn't hold anything back.

Lol, WD is a current gen game with some tacked on effects which the XSX can still run around the 4k mark..... The true drama hasn`t even started yet.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I hope this is just ubisofts crappy optimisation and not because the S lacks power. Because budget console or not, sub 1080p has no place in an industry that's pushing for 4k with Ray tracing.

 

[Shrap]

so are you also gonna call Sony out for marketing the PS5 as a 4K console when DMC5 only runs at 1080p when RT is on? Also Watch Dogs' dynamic resolution will most likely fall below 1440p on it as well...

You're making the assumption I'm on team PS5. I'm not.

I'm also not calling Microsoft out, I'm calling out a poster on here.

 

[gamechanger87]

That's a blatant lie. Here's an actual capture from the official trailer:

They marketed it as a 1440p machine. Not only is it not achieving that here it isn't even achieving 1080p consistently.

The game has RT on. It’s not hitting 4K with RT on the main consoles.

Console will never do 1440p with RT

 

[Nikana]

I hope this is just ubisofts crappy optimisation and not because the S lacks power. Because budget console or not, sub 1080p has no place in an industry that's pushing for 4k with Ray tracing.

Are you trying to claim that the tech market only cares about bleeding Edge tech?

 

[Insane Metal]

Dynamic 4k, dynamic 1080p. What disappointment all around.

I really don't think so, native 4K is a waste of resources. There are many things that can be made to reduce native resolution and still maintain a high image quality. This is the way. For consoles at least.

 

[Entroyp]

There were people months ago (around this summer) that were pushing the narrative that the PS5 was really a 9TF console with question marks because Sony weren't talking. They were saying that if you compared 4K games on the PS5 to 1080p games on the Xbox Series X, they'd look basically the same due to MS having VRS.

This was also back when those same people said the PS5 had a RDNA 1.5 GPU and the GPU in XSS was pure RDNA 2.0

So, XsS and PS5 were basically the same but at the same time XsX was vastly more powerful? Where’s the logic in that lol... not that logic was ever in play here.

 

[truth411]

This console was a mistake.

Yup, just save up an extra $100 and get the PS5 Digital Edition.

 

[dano1]

It runs the next gen version, not bad.

So does a Xbox one

 

[TGO]

I'm starting to think the only thing these consoles can do over their predecessors is RT.

 

[Flintty]

XSS is a con to get casuals to buy into ‘next gen’. Us lot don’t need to worry about it - it will serve it’s purpose for the casuals. I look forward to not reading threads about it one day

 

[Warnen]

I really don't think so, native 4K is a waste of resources. There are many things that can be made to reduce native resolution and still maintain a high image quality. This is the way. For consoles at least.

that dog don’t hunt. why not just drop the res and not do dynamic if it didn’t matter? Focus on upscalled 1440 and drop 4k all together.