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PS5 will support all kind of Nvme M.2 SSDs from type 2230 to 2280 ( maybe 22110?? )
yurinka
Member
Cerny said at his talk that they will support 'certain types of M2 SSDs', that should be at least as fast as the PS5 one and PCIe 4.0.
He also mentioned that you could hook SSDs with less priority levels (the currently standard ones have 2, the PS5 has 6), but their custom controller should arbitrate the priorities so the external SSD should be even a bit faster to handle the related issues.
He also specified that obviously the external SSD must fit in the PS5 bay.
So if these M2 SSDs don't have 6 priority levels (I think they only have 2), their read and write speed must be over 5.5GB/s and fit in the PS5 bay or shouldn't be supported.
He also mentioned that you could hook SSDs with less priority levels (the currently standard ones have 2, the PS5 has 6), but their custom controller should arbitrate the priorities so the external SSD should be even a bit faster to handle the related issues.
He also specified that obviously the external SSD must fit in the PS5 bay.
So if these M2 SSDs don't have 6 priority levels (I think they only have 2), their read and write speed must be over 5.5GB/s and fit in the PS5 bay or shouldn't be supported.
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Aidah
Member
Yeah, proprietary storage. They cost the same yet one is 2.4GB/S, the other is 7GB/S. One works with anything so you could repurpose it if you wish to, one just with Xbox. A 2.4GB/S PC NVMe drive costs half that $219 right now. Not to mention the difference in sales and price drop over time.Official price for the 7GB/s 980 pro 1tb is 230$, the 1tb 2400MB/S xbox expansion card official price is 219$.
Propietary storage
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
We're comparing 1tb vs 1tb.
"220$ for 2400mb/s storage is cheap, a bmw will cost you 30.000 dollars"!!11!!1
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And the propriety Seagate is over 2/3 the price of a Series S. Which probably won't got down over for quite some time going by history in gaming, unless they don't sell well.
FunkMiller
Member
You‘re probably right. Just interested in what options are out there.
GHG
Member
No, nvmes that require additional heatsinks to run effectively tend to be sold with them.
Oppoi
Member
Imagine that slot open for all SSDs and not only ones made by Sony.
Aidah
Member
Yeah the bay does have some depth to it.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Sony is not going to be selling SSDs, it ain't their business. They'll have a list of compatible ones you can pick off newegg.
GHG
Member
I'm not sure what your point is.
The first round of pcie gen 4 nvmes (none of which are fast enough for this application anyway) all had ridiculous heatsinks because they all used the same Phison controller which ran ridiculously hot under load.
The controllers on this latest batch of 4.0 drives are a big step up over that and don't heat up anywhere near as much.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Yeah the concerns around this are baffling
GHG
Member
To be frank, such a claim is stupid because the controllers in these SSD's are designed to throttle the transfer speeds when heat reaches certain thresholds.
Nothings going to melt and the moment the SSD cools down again it will start operating at normal speeds again.
These are 5w components we are talking about here...
AllBizness
Banned
Time to admit Sony has the better expanded storage solution
CobraAB
Member
Official price for the 7GB/s 980 pro 1tb is 230$, the 1tb 2400MB/S xbox expansion card official price is 219$.
Propietary storage
There was a time when Sony used to get dogged for proprietary stuff.
ethomaz
Banned
I believe everybody hated the Vita proprietary solution.
The Vita is great, but the storage solutions are severly flawed.
I was planning on going all digital with the Vita, but with PS+, indies, PSOne and PSP games, which are only digital of course, I'm finding myself juggling data. This defeats the appeal of an all digital portable device. So even though I wanted to go all digital with everything I might just go...
Sony really fucked up with the vita proprietary memory card.
Reading the how many vita games thread, it struck me that people are really buying alot of dd games. Both the + kind and normal ones. Im really getting impressed with ps+ in general. So much so that i actually pondered the idea of buying a vita, since + carry over to ps4. So i went and looked...
Sony learned from the past mistakes.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Very deservedly so, the Vita cards were such a scam to prop their propietary memory cards.
Good that Sony moved on, a shame Microsoft is going down this path for next gen.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I'm all in the moment an affordable 2tb solution hits the market.
hybrid_birth
Member
We will need a hyper configurater coolomatic 3000.
Or just have the mini fridge xbox series x next to it.
Justin9mm
Member
You seriously think with millions upon millions of dollars spent on R&D at PlayStation they somehow did not think about this!? LOL
I think they know a thing or two about it.
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NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
It'll be interesting to see how many people buy one without a heatsink and either smoke it or cause it to throttle from heat. Doesn't seem like that little compartment has a lot of room for heat to go, even though it's vented. NVMEs get very hot, very fast. So make sure you get one with a heatsink on it.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Seems like they learned their PSVita lesson. Probably would have bought one if it used a SD card and charged by a decent charging solution like usb-c.
Zoomed in on the picture and it's definitely a pin with a screw and says "110" under it!
MrFunSocks
Banned
As long as they meet the specification, which basically zero on the market atm will. They need to be significantly faster than 5.5GB/s to basically brute force the same performance of the on-board ssd. They also have to not have giant heat sinks at least. Until they release the required specs we know nothing other than the length of the ones it supports.
Still much better than the proprietary Xbox solution though. Hopefully MS let anyone make their expandable storage and don’t require big licensing fees etc.
Still much better than the proprietary Xbox solution though. Hopefully MS let anyone make their expandable storage and don’t require big licensing fees etc.
Jigga117
Member
I don’t see how it’s a shame they went with an option you just plug in the back of the console vs you got 4 or 5 steps(most likely scratch up your system) just for expansion that’s going to cost basically the same as the Series X/S expansion. because you need something similar to the internal SSD. Plus MS has stated you will have more options and form factors for expandable slots.
ethomaz
Banned
The two available 7GB/s options doesn’t have heatsink at all.... most new controllers are cool enough to not need one.
captainraincoat
Banned
Looks like I gotta buy a heat sink and a screw
ethomaz
Banned
It will be more expensive because it is made in way less units.I don’t see how it’s a shame they went with an option you just plug in the back of the console vs you got 4 or 5 steps(most likely scratch up your system) just for expansion that’s going to cost basically the same as the Series X/S expansion. because you need something similar to the internal SSD. Plus MS has stated you will have more options and form factors for expandable slots.
980 Pro for example that actually is the same price of the MS option will soon drop in price while MS option will continue being that expensive.
Plus you can use the 980 Pro 7GB/s in any other compatible device while the MS 2.4GB/s option is limited to Xbox X|S.
The solutions are not comparable even when Xbox fans try to made the proprietary form something good.
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sendit
Member
Official price for the 7GB/s 980 pro 1tb is 230$, the 1tb 2400MB/S xbox expansion card official price is 219$.
Propietary storage
Joke post? You can’t possibly be this dense....
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Your really reaching,I don’t see how it’s a shame they went with an option you just plug in the back of the console vs you got 4 or 5 steps(most likely scratch up your system) just for expansion that’s going to cost basically the same as the Series X/S expansion. because you need something similar to the internal SSD. Plus MS has stated you will have more options and form factors for expandable slots.
Open Market > Proprietary
Because its open market Prices will fall over time, thats not the case for proprietary drives.
You can see it right now, MS SSD is $220 but only 2.4GB/sec, on the open market it would be half that price.
Open Market NVME @7.0GB/sec is $230, almost 3x the speed of MS SSD.
When PCIE 5.0 drives come out prices will plummet. All you have to do is snap the PS5 cover off and unscrew the SSD Bay.
This Matters. Its no joke, this WILL be a big problem as time goes by and compatible NVME drives for the PS5 comes down and MS SSD remains expensive.
By 2023 folks are going to be saying MS SSD is a Rip Off, you can bookmark this Post.
ethomaz
Banned
I believe it is because some early PCI-E 4.0 SSDs used a Phison controller that was really really hot requiring a heat sink.
That is not the case anymore with actual SSD Controllers.
Samsung 980 Pro doesn’t need heat sink.
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EDMIX
Member
Agreed completely. I like knowing that when I expanding my storage in the future, I have many options and the price will be fair. I like that they did this with PS3, PSP etc (had not clue what crack they were on with Vita lol) and I enjoyed how they did it with PS4, so PS5 is a no brainer to have the expandable storage done this way.
Let the consumer decide what they ultimately pick vs Proprietary
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Those are the quoted speeds by their manufacturers d00d. And their official prices as well.
That's how much propietary storage sucks balls.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
You are getting fleeced - they are going to charge you as much as bleeding edge storage but instead you get old tech.
Nothing justifies that. Nothing.
And it's laughable that you try to defend it because "ooh, you might scratch your console". We've had user upgradable storage on the PS4 and now on the PS5 and the result is consumers get to pay less, for more. The things people say to defend a plastic box smh...
sendit
Member
Looks like I gotta buy a heat sink and a screw
Forget a screw/heat sink. This is what you need:
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sendit
Member
My mistake. I thought you where saying the lower price of the Xbox drive at 2.4GB was comparable to roughly an equally priced 7GB drive.
captainraincoat
Banned
U ever felt an external ssd drive...I have a samsung t7 external which is just a m2 drive in a case and it’s red hot sometimes
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Looking forward to the official confirmation from Sony about what you can and can’t use then will decide on size of drive accordingly.
GenericUser
Member
That is also what I believe. You have like 600GB useable storage builtin. That should be sufficient for the first year. After the first year, I hope there will be enough certified SSDs available to upgrade the PS5. Another benefit of the Sony solution is, that you can simply reuse the SSD in a traditional PC when you feel the need to upgrade it even further or if you are seling the console. I really don't get how people can defend the memory card solution that MS is offering. Besides the convenience factor, I do not see any advantage over the Sony approach.
captainraincoat
Banned
It does not look too complicated...I do like that you can access the fan from the top
without having to remove an entire heat plate like the pro as it opens up some interesting ideas fan wise as it circulated from both sides
Maybe a smaller scale version of this
Storage modules will also get better and you could potentially have something larger bolted on from the outside
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