Self
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Maybe, because most (if not all) consoles and PC suffer from this simple fact - dust.
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Maybe, because most (if not all) consoles and PC suffer from this simple fact - dust.
Kamina
Golden Boy
While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.
Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.
And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:
They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".
Shouldn’t this be worse for XSX then?
ethomaz
Banned
They only understand FUDish.
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TheDreadLord
Member
I don’t see all this innovative design that some are seeing. It is a rather safe design to be honest. However, seeing liquid metal being used in the cooling system is pretty cool, specially when you think this is a “budget” electronic.
MaulerX
Member
No need to get all defensive. It's something to discuss and speculate given the choice of words. It may not be a thing. It might. Like I said its a nice feature to have a vaccumable dust catcher. But there's nothing wrong with speculating of to why it's inclusion given their fine print. Thats all.
killatopak
Member
While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.
Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.
And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:
They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".
I think it’s because the user has to actively clean up the dust buildup in the dust catcher.
That’s like using a vacuum cleaner that is full to the brim with junk and complaining it’s broken because it can’t fit in anything anymore. You actually have to clean it out first before it‘s useful again.
The PS4 probably has the same fine print on dust too. Only this time on the PS5, it’s actually a lot less susceptible to it and a lot easier to clean.
Basically this is just an extra feature for convenience. They could have not included this and it would have been fine.
MaulerX
Member
lastmessiah
Member
There's nothing innovative about it. It is just a PC tower design, except you can build a PC smaller than this with better specs as well. Really scratching my head at what Sony was thinking here.
One thing is for sure, they will be expensive to make, sold at a loss, and offset with software prices. And there will be supply issues.
ethomaz
Banned
Seems like reality hurts.
What the twitter posted said is really FUD... the own pic of the twitter deny what the guy said.
Your own comment is FUD.
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mitchman
Gold Member
Liquid metal paste is readily available if you need to replace it.
They have a 2TB model too.
PSX
Member
More info
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WelshBluebird
Member
There is a difference between speculating what the meaning is and literally making up something with no evidence and no basis in reality (which is what that Twitter user did).
Maybe you would like to explain how on earth Sony adding in a caveat saying that it isn't guaranteed that all dust will be caught at all implies that your hardware warranty is going to be affected?
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killatopak
Member
Bullshit.
Show me a PS5/XSX equivalent PC on a $500 budget complete with keyboard, mouse, Windows 10, 500GB 4k Bluray, SSD with at least 3GB/s speed with the same size, power consumption and average temps.
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MasterCornholio
Member
The games won't.
lastmessiah
Member
I didn't say anything about price. Of course it will be more expensive to build.
Klayzer
Member
Xbros are. But then again, they are fanboys so its expected.
Zadom
Member
killatopak
Member
Now you get what’s Sony/MS is thinking.
Price.
Price that the average consumer is willing to buy.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
PS5 fan and heat-sink setup with the piping are very similar to how nVidia is doing it on their cards. Complete with the fan cutaway in the mainboard.
just to clarify, dust will always stick to surface area, the less surface area the less dust will stick to it. pretty basic thought process.
also put dust or sand or whatever you got that is small in a bottle with a big opening and one with a small one, you'll see pretty fast which one is filled up first.
lol
big vents good, small vents bad.
with dust collector that can be cleaned this will be a non issue anyway in most homes where there is not massive amount of dirt in the air.
liquid metal cooling easily puts the cooling capability in vapor chamber levels, probably quite a bit better actually. TIM is a big bottleneck and using Liquid Metal always improves cooling in computers.
Check out der8auer ( uploads every video 2 times, one in german and one in english and Gamers Nexus only english ) for good comparisons
also put dust or sand or whatever you got that is small in a bottle with a big opening and one with a small one, you'll see pretty fast which one is filled up first.
lol
big vents good, small vents bad.
with dust collector that can be cleaned this will be a non issue anyway in most homes where there is not massive amount of dirt in the air.
liquid metal cooling easily puts the cooling capability in vapor chamber levels, probably quite a bit better actually. TIM is a big bottleneck and using Liquid Metal always improves cooling in computers.
Check out der8auer ( uploads every video 2 times, one in german and one in english and Gamers Nexus only english ) for good comparisons
BigDaddyDavee
Member
Looks and sounds like it has a distinctly cheap and brittle feel to it when taken apart. Won't matter if you're extremely careful with it I guess.
BattleScar
Member
While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.
Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.
And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:
They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".
As is the case with literally any product you own, you need to take care of it, if you expect it to last.
All the dust collector does, is make it easier for you to vacuum/clean out the dust, without requiring a total disassembly of the device as you would with say; a PS4 or Xbox One (S/X).
Any electronic device that uses a fan is susceptible to getting clogged dust. After enough time, even a Series X or a PC or whatever else, will accumulate dust, unless you put a particle/dust filter in place. Why didn't they use a dust filter you ask? Because it adds to the BOM, and it requires a higher static pressure to drive air through it - in other words it reduces airflow. Which means you need a more powerful/louder fan for sufficient air to get through the device for cooling.
As stated previously, the dust collector just makes it easier to get rid of the dust. You just pop off the top panel and vacuum it out through the holes.
It does not prevent dust from entering at all, but they never claimed it could.
TLDR; Your concern is needless.
Jtibh
Banned
Uh you big boy now? You feelin big? Bigger? Bigly?
But at my age the only thing i preorder is sexy time. Bitch got expensive too.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
They still trying sooo hard to get back at Sony for that famous video.
The difference is that video made history, these tweets will be forgotten in 3 months.
lastmessiah
Member
Irrelevant to what I said.
killatopak
Member
You’re irrelevant.
Bryank75
Banned
To the contrary, I think everyone is amazed at how high quality, solid and relatively expensive everything looks inside a machine that is retailing for 500 dollars.
I mean you could say the same thing you just said about an iPhone but people value them far more than any other phone on the market.
If you can't appreciate the tech inside this, then why look at this thread at all?
cash_longfellow
Member
Yes.
Dr Bass
Member
One of the system designers said a long time ago that by his count it had one less feature than RDNA2 and a few more. "Which suggests it's beyond full RDNA2 in the end."
(see how easy it is to put the spin on it that you want?)I don't know why people still insist on trying to bring these things down. The PS5 is not handicapped. Both systems are good.
That said, this teardown was nice. The system looks incredibly well designed to me. Large single fan that looks like it will move a lot of air. Huge heatsink. Easy expansion slot for an NVMe drive. And of course the removable fins will have people blacking out their systems on day 1.
Uhhh, did you see the same video as everyone else? It looks like maybe the highest quality console design that has yet to be done. If you wrapped that thing in an aluminum case it would be better engineered than an Apple computer IMO, of which I've taken apart many and currently use the 2019 Mac Pro.
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Soodanim
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I’m interested to see what sorts of custom shells we get for this thing.
I think an obvious one would be shaped to sit flat without a stand.
But what about functional ones? Maybe something to with the dust collectors, either a mini vacuum or even just a slot to quickly access it.
I think an obvious one would be shaped to sit flat without a stand.
But what about functional ones? Maybe something to with the dust collectors, either a mini vacuum or even just a slot to quickly access it.
Investor9872
Member
Those drives get hot as fuck though... Melt right through that plastic?
Thing is fucking huge. Almost embarrassingly so. It’s almost the size of an old beige desktop. Really not looking forward to having to deal with that.
That is because this "thing" is 20x more powerful than your old, beige desktop.
Tomeru
Member
I never used such paste before, I cant say how using a different compound to what sony is using affect a customers' console.
Md Ray
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LordCBH
Member
While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.
Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.
And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:
They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".
the warranty also didn’t cover dust buildup on the 4 and 3. This is normal.
losslessFlac
Member
While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.
Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.
And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:
They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".
Damaged by dust? Since when is any PC tower maker liable if you don't clean your PC and let dust accumulate, resulting in overheating?
To me, this is a non-issue. The first year under warranty, you don't need to clean it.
Looking at the teardown, it's relatively easy to clean the fans and vents.
Captain Ashley
Banned
That's a great piece of engineering, to the smallest detail. I'm very happy with the teardown. It's a premium device.
LeftThumbstick
Member
Both consoles have interesting designs and it will be cool to see how they both play after 2-3 years of solid use. Which design is better? Nobody knows yet so all the songs of praise on both sides should just stop. This thread has turned into another mud slinging contest while we are yet to see how the fully finished, in your home retail systems perform. Xbox One & PS4 were pretty generic and mostly the same, while the X & S and the PS5 are quite different from each other in lots of ways, but still the same at the core.
Nonetheless, an interesting choice of design for the system, but i'd rather wait until we see what happens at launch before we start assuming who did it best.
Nonetheless, an interesting choice of design for the system, but i'd rather wait until we see what happens at launch before we start assuming who did it best.
supernova8
Banned
One thing that annoys me is how places like IGN literally repost the video with no added value and somehow manage to rank higher than the original in Youtube search. Fuck those guys.
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