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[Bryank75]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

Bo_Hazem Bryank75 @sircaw kyliethicc @BlueXImpulse @FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

I assume (that's all we can do now) that the liquid metal is engineered not to escape the space easily or at all....
So I don't think there will be any noticeable degradation withing a very long range of time.

It just needs to be able to move around within the allocated space so it can conduct the heat faster and transfer it away.

It should be really efficient.

 

[Vae_Victis]

So we have to open it up to expand storage? Not exactly ideal.

But what about hooking up a external SSD via USB? If we install next gen only games on that, can we play them that way? Or is it like Xbox Series X where it's solely BC games to will boot from it?

I haven't been following the PS5 news much, so I'm sure this is old news. But that's what I want to know.

Not to play PS5 game. The USB does not interface with the I/O complex, which is there specifically to remove the bottlenecks of transfer speeds and avoid bothering the CPU with a lot of related stuff.

 

[GymWolf]

Its too white and too big

The black version increase his size even more if you gently stroke the console.

 

[geordiemp]

You mean this? Because it looks like MLC Cap array, but I could be wrong...

Is your eyesight better, I hope so. Looks like both.

 

[ZywyPL]

Heatsinkstation 5 ;p

Holy shit, this thing is HUGE, I'd like to see a direct comparison of that heatsink and RTX 3090, and I wouldn't be surprised if the latter was the smaller one. But anyway, here my take on the teardown:

1) No Cerny? That's a surprise.
2) The stand is a joke, how hard is it to make at least one side of the console flat?
3) As rumored, the side panels are easily removable, so there will 100% be custom panels, if not from Sony themselves then at least from 3rd party vendors, I think we will see fully black PS5 sooner than we think.
4) SSD bay is very well thought-out, it has enough room for drives with heatsinks, and Sony even though about different drive sizes (lenghts), although I don't think there will be 2230 or 2242 drives that will reach enough speeds to work with PS5. And by removing the metal cover the drive will be additionally cooled by the fresh cool air pulled by the fan.
5) As expected the internal SSD is soldered onto the motherboard. So when adding your own 1TB drive you'll get a total 1.8TB of space, so plenty for even a couple of CoDs.
6) The cooling - like I said before, it's ridiculously enormous, the turbine as big as two full-sized PC fans stacked together, while the heatsink is a league of its own... With 2kg worth of copper/aluminum and liquid metal TIM, I expect nothing else but a dead silence, no matter what kind of game you'll throw at the PS5.

So in summary - everything looks great on the inside, but fugly on the outside, I really don't know why Sony didn't go for a simpler, more elegant shape of the console, like PS4 or PS2, especially enlarged PS2 design would fit so damn well with the interior parts and their layout,.

 

[M1chl]

I can see it, however to me this still looks like a two different arrays of caps and also if you have cooling in way you suggest it, why would you don't have mass on the other side, sure the clamp is pretty big however this does not seems to be able to do much...

 

[Cock of War]

Today is my birthday. This is a nice birthday surprise.
Looks solid, impressive and well thought out.
Immense!

 

[Trimesh]

The life of it is my concern..

I wouldn't worry about that - as long as the heatsinks are made of compatible material (which I'm sure they are) it really doesn't degrade. In fact, I suspect that's exactly why they were using it - both the PS3 and the PS4 had issues with the thermal paste drying out after extensive use and this looks like Sony don't want it to happen again.

 

[cormack12]

PS4 v PS5

 

[Cyborg]

Amazing hardware! Smart developed

 

[Intoxicate]

I don’t see why they had to make the console that big. It looks like a lot of space and plastic has been used for the cooling solution. It doesn’t really trigger any enthusiasm on my side and I’m normally excited about teardowns.

 

[Tripolygon]

Each chip is about 916 MB/s, most likely as a muxed 2-channel NAND module.

Plus two banks of 64 GB per chip, as there are six modules (I originally only thought three but @CS Lurker and Tripolygon clarified that).

Possibly.

 

[Unknown?]

the video itself even says "RDNA2 Based" which suggests its not full RDNA2, which is as expected

It suggests it has features not available in RDNA2.

 

[Kumomeme]

due to past months 'extensive' hardcore debate over technical aspect of next generation console, with each side 'mocking', 'downplay' each others, im baffled to see there people confused over liquid metal. atleast i expect pc builder should know this.

 

[Kdad]

I don’t understand this? Do people change to horizontal and vertical placements regularly?

I assume people just pick one and roll with it forever.

Are you a missionary every time, everyday kinda guy/gal.?..gotta mix that shit up.

 

[Investor9872]

Samsung 980 Pro 1TB is only USD $220 or so, and it's rated at 7 GB/s read speeds, should be enough.

That's never enough. I need more power...more space...in my PS5. The bigger the better....so she.

 

[GiJoint]

It’s a flamboyant tank.
Lots of thought has been put into the design from the little house for the base screw to those cute dust catchers you can vacuum out. Can’t wait for launch day.

 

[Tripolygon]

First die estimate. For comparison, PS4 Pro is 325 mm²

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Are you really coming at him with this, after responded to bait in kind?

He's doing the same stuff again.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He's doing the same stuff again.

Holla atcha boy!

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Thank you Bryank75 Bo_Hazem kyliethicc and Bonsaibäumchen for your responses

 

[Kdad]

I don’t see why they had to make the console that big. It looks like a lot of space and plastic has been used for the cooling solution. It doesn’t really trigger any enthusiasm on my side and I’m normally excited about teardowns.

You answered your own question.

 

[Red Rackham's Revenge]

2) The stand is a joke, how hard is it to make at least one side of the console flat?
3) As rumored, the side panels are easily removable, so there will 100% be custom panels, if not from Sony themselves then at least from 3rd party vendors, I think we will see fully black PS5 sooner than we think.

Your number 3 point negates your number 2. If one side had to be flat then we probably wouldn't be able to remove panels and customize. They would probably even prevent you from doing so.

 

[ultrazilla]

We're all going to get TERMINATED, aren't we?

 

[geordiemp]

I can see it, however to me this still looks like a two different arrays of caps and also if you have cooling in way you suggest it, why would you don't have mass on the other side, sure the clamp is pretty big however this does not seems to be able to do much...

Most of the heat will be others side, but there does appear to be some heat removal here to a lesser degree and that copper on the cover plate and its direction...... Its hard to focus on those bumps, need my glasses, getting old bud/

 

[Barnabot]

We're all going to get TERMINATED, aren't we?

True believers will be spared. But I don't think you are one of them. Holdon I need to do something.

 

[Kumomeme]

Anyone knows how dust collector works?

 

[Bryank75]

Nearly 1 million views now.

 

[MrS]

Console is absurdly big

 

[vaibhavpisal]

We are getting discreet Gpu instead of integrated Apu if i am correct.

Primary reason for huge heatsink and rise in cost.

 

[geordiemp]

Anyone knows how dust collector works?

Sorry it was cheap

 

[Kumomeme]

Great post. I just think its going to be interesting when casuals/soccer moms(majority of game sales lol) want to expand the storage and have to resort to taking the thing apart.

I don't mind either way(Xbox Or Sonys) but I just think thats going to be interesting.

people just bring the console to shop. there gonna be service for it like how it is for ps4,xbox, ps3 for example.

 

[Bryank75]

 

[Jtibh]

The black version increase his size even more if you gently stroke the console.

Speaking from experience huh?

 

[geordiemp]

Sweet, looks awesome. One question for anyone in the know - I reapplied thermal paste to my PS4 and the RAM chips also had thermal pads on them, but they seem clean on the PS5 - are there no pads? Does it use the heatsink as well?

Edit: PS5

PS4 pads

The teardown was definately a blue peter here is one I prepared earlier, they certainly prepared a board with no pads and where you could see the liquid metal.

The asembled unit will be different, its just for show iMO.

 

[MaulerX]

While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.

Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.

And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:



They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".

 

[JunkerWoland]

The most impressive feature is being able to store the vertical-stand screw inside the stand, itself. Otherwise, that's a big heat sink.

 

[GymWolf]

Speaking from experience huh?

No, i have a white ps5 in preorder.

 

[MarkMe2525]

It's really interesting to see the different approaches Sony and MS took to build these consoles. I'm excited for what the future holds. I know this is a long ways out, but I can't wait to see the PS5 slim in a 3-5 years. I bet it's going to look neat.

I wish MS went with 10Gbps usb instead of 5Gbps. Plan on doing a lot of swapping games and that would been a nice touch. Cool to see ps5 have it.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.

Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.

And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:



They actually used the word "CLOGGING".

I don't care; I'm maintaining my pre-order. It'll be inside of my media cabinet, which doesn't get dusty because it's always closed when I'm not using it. Also, I'll be sure to use a mini-vacuum to suck out dust just in case any accumulates inside of the console.

 

[Traxtech]

Watch people turn the dust vents into a negative, if anything it makes you take responsibility in regards to keeping your investments clean and efficient just like you should remove the lint from a lint filter in a dryer.

Obviously not as frequent but you get it. And yes some people won't even know about these nor care

 

[Kdad]

While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.

Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.

And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:



They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".

So simply telling people that dust still can happen is a bad thing now....

 

[Md Ray]

Just can't help yourself, can you...

He's not wrong though. DF don't do teardowns. Stuff like that is best left for folks over at Gamers Nexus.

 

[MarkMe2525]

We are getting discreet Gpu instead of integrated Apu if i am correct.

Primary reason for huge heatsink and rise in cost.

I believe it was an Apu they cut away from it after saying zen 2 and then cut back to it to say rdna2 based gpu.

 

[geordiemp]

While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.

Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.

And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:



They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".

Both consoles will get dust, at least Ps5 has a dust collector and the centrfugal fan will help as it can push against more resistance to keep stuff clean (its a blower).

We will have to wait for reports in the field on how the consoles get hot - oh wait.......

 

[Clear]

Sorry it was cheap

Yeah but the Series X is literally like a vacuum cleaner, upright it sucks in air from underneath the chassis!

 

[ethomaz]

While I like the capability of a vaccumable dust catcher one has to wonder why go thru the effort of including one to begin with.

Seems like the cooling solution is susceptible to dust and might impede its performance. The average casual consumer might not know what to do when it inevitably gets clogged.

And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:



They actually used the words "HARDWARE CLOGGING FROM DUST".

What the twitter says is different from what is write in the pic.

Sony doesn't guarantee the dust catcher will avoid the console getting dust.

You need to clean up your shit lol

 

[Bryank75]

So simply telling people that dust still can happen is a bad thing now....

Some people think fairy-tales are nicer to hear...

 

[WelshBluebird]

And now Sony is limiting their liability via a fine print:

What on earth are you and that guy on about?
Sony have said literally nothing about dust affecting the hardware guarantee / warranty.
They just said the dust catchers aren't guaranteed to catch all dust. Which makes perfect sense.
Can you people not understand English or something?

 

[geordiemp]

Yeah but the Series X is literally like a vacuum cleaner, upright it sucks in air from underneath the chassis!

There is no pressure differential to get excited about generated by an axial fan, its called a low pressure fan for a reason and performs better in a more open environment.

Ps5 fan is essentially a blower with dual intake.

Take from that what you will.