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[CS Lurker]

Also found it really interesting that their NAND is 3 blocks of 256 GB (2 Tb) modules

It appears to me that it has 3 more modules on the back of the MB

 

[killatopak]

Switching the stand is ridiculous and that heat sink is ginormous. They definitely played it safe with the design and you can tell with this tear down. They can’t have a repeat of the PS4 jet engine debacle which is why the console is massive.

I don’t understand this? Do people change to horizontal and vertical placements regularly?

I assume people just pick one and roll with it forever.

 

[Digity]

Oh god, I hadn’t thought of that. Looking forward to seeing some truly hideous homemade aberrations with this

Between this and people wanting to take rattle cans to their console, we are in for some high class shit art.

 

[Black_Stride]

Oh nice did this just confirm the SSD was an expansion SSD and not just replacing the main one?!

Did anyone think you could remove the stock SSD?
Its soldered to the motherboard and has a custom controller....obviously it wasnt removeable.

 

[GymWolf]

Don't bring Xbox's into this thread please!

 

[ethomaz]

It appears to me that it has 3 more modules on the back of the MB

It is probably stacked.
2 modules in each one... 12 modules for 12 lanes.

12 x 64MiB modules.

 

[FlyyGOD]

I wonder if Sony will let an outside source do a breakdown instead of a controlled breakdown down by Sony.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Dual Side Fan pulling in more air.

I would like a PC motherboard/case that apes this design, pulling cold air over the front and back then exhausting it in the rear.

 

[mekes]

Looks nice. Time flies, I still remember watching the PS4 tear down and being impressed with that. But this seems to have some different considerations compared to PS4. I remember the PS4 being crammed so tight it almost seemed an impossible feat.

Obviously we paid for that with fan noise. I’m optimistic on that front after watching this video.

 

[ethomaz]

Did anyone think you could remove the stock SSD?
Its soldered to the motherboard and has a custom controller....obviously it wasnt removeable.

Digital Foundry put an article you could... FUD like usual.... they updated the article months after.

 

[veterangamerUK]

Don't bring Xbox's into this thread please!

Really? What a cupid stunt

 

[Investor9872]

Heatsink is large.

That is an understatement! I love it.

 

[pyrocro]

Not really, it was designed witha centrifugal fan that is through the whole console and will shift significantly more air than radial at same speeds, much much more its not even on teh same spec sheet.

This is a high air flow volume fan beter than what we normally see in electronics..

In industry these are more common as they perform better, much better than radial - to put one in a console is just fantastic more than I dreamed.

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Pushing / Pulling air through heat sink load and thin fins, its a pressure thing.

Thats a big 45 mm thick centrifugal fan, go read up on fans and pressure / loads

It creates a high pressure and a more steady flow than low pressure axial.

I think your original post is contributing to the confusion, as I recall radial fans are also known as centrifugal fans.
and your second post some what corrects it but to make if clear.

The PS5 is using a centrifugal fan AKA radial fan as appose to an axial fan.


Also [removed],
radial fans are also louder which is why they are used for industrial use as well as video cards that make to much noise.
but I'm sure Sony has nice fan curve and some cleaver engineering to damping the sound.

 

[Valkyria]

Si many people on suicide watch LOL.

 

[CS Lurker]

It is probably stacked.
2 modules in each one... 12 modules for 12 lanes.

12 x 64MiB modules.

They're in different positions. One side (the SoC one) has 2 chips on a vertical position and 1 horizontal. The other side (GDDR) has 2 chips on a horizontal position and 1 vertical.

edit: nvm, I think I misunderstood what u said (you were agreeing with the 6 modules)

 

[dorkimoe]

So what was that nut from the previous thread?

 

[McHuj]

Is that heatsink bigger than a custom 3080 like the Auros? Wow.

 

[ethomaz]

They're in different positions. One side (the SoC one) has 2 chips on a vertical position and 1 horizontal. The other side (GDDR) has 2 chips on a horizontal position and 1 vertical.

Stacked I mean each of these "chip" are two stacked chips.
6 of them = 12 chips.

They need that for 12 lanes.

 

[hemo memo]

Looks awesome, I'm liking the look of the console now more than a month ago.
I hope Sony doesn't lose its momentum and keeps bringing more info on PS5.

They don’t have to. It is launching next month thank god. We can get information ourself and not the Soony way.

 

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[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It appears to me that it has 3 more modules on the back of the MB

Ah, nice catch. If they are using muxed multi-channel approach for the modules then it'd be two channels for each module.

 

[Tripolygon]

Also found it really interesting that their NAND is 3 blocks of 256 GB (2 Tb) modules and not the 12x 64 GB modules I was led to believe.

They are 12 NAND in stacks of 2 x 64 (128GiB) totaling 6. 3 on either side of the board.

 

[DeepEnigma]

the video itself even says "RDNA2 Based" which suggests its not full RDNA2, which is as expected

 

[WelshBluebird]

Great post. I just think its going to be interesting when casuals/soccer moms(majority of game sales lol) want to expand the storage and have to resort to taking the thing apart.

I don't mind either way(Xbox Or Sonys) but I just think thats going to be interesting.

I mean how many casuals have upgraded their PS4 hard drive - I'd guess not many.
The vast vast majority will just delete games once they are done with them.
The small minority of casuals who do want extra capacity will either get an external drive and copy games back and forth, or get a friend who is into tech to stick an NVMe in for them.

I wonder if Sony will let an outside source do a breakdown instead of a controlled breakdown down by Sony.

They will in about 5 weeks!
Jokes aside - Sony did exactly this with the PS4 and PS4 Pro. I don't know why anyone thought the PS5 would be different in terms of the teardown.

 

[supernova8]

Look at all the Youtube clowns clamouring to be the first to post their totally pointless "reaction" videos.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

Bo_Hazem Bryank75 sircaw kyliethicc BlueXImpulse FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

 

[DonF]

So what was that nut from the previous thread?

The fan

 

[Audiophile]

120mm fan CONFIRMED, so it'll be quiet for the first few months, give is 6, then when the bearings get a bit older, you'll get your jet engine/dust buster.

Dust vacuum out points are interesting, typically you're supposed to blow dust out as vacuuming could create some electrostatic.

That SSD expansion slot looks like it's off on it's own, so it might receive only minimal cooling from all that air flow that's happening, this is odd and maybe bad, these SSDs do get hot.

Given the wide I/O, 12 Channel approach, I expect each of the individual chips run quite slow and subsequently cool.

 

[supernova8]

Here's the same guy with the PS4 from the official PS4 teardown video just for comparison's sake. The dude's just small

:

Dude got old

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Didn't you just come off a ban?

 

[Sethbacca]

Dude got old

He's a veteran of the console wars. That's the look of a man who's seen some shit.

 

[Bigfroth]

How does it work?

In the 2029 Skynet created a mimetic poly-alloy (nanorobotics) that it can manipulate to assume various forms.

 

[Barnabot]

I did. Does that count?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

Bo_Hazem Bryank75 sircaw kyliethicc BlueXImpulse FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

It's metal, it doesn't degrade that easily. You shouldn't reapply anything like conventional paste and other alternative cheaper solutions.

 

[Jtibh]

Curious as to what you saw here that made you cancel the pre order

Its too white and too big

 

[hemo memo]

Look at all the Youtube clowns clamouring to be the first to post their totally pointless "reaction" videos.

We live in a sad future of jumping like clowns to get the most clicks. Fuck detailed informative coverage. Reactions gets more clicks.

 

[and 3 others]

Really? What a cupid stunt

It's called a joke!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I did. Does that count?

 

[Bergoglio]

It's metal, it doesn't degrade that easily. You shouldn't reapply anything like conventional paste and other alternative cheaper solutions.

From your post history you don't seem very knowledgeable about it. I'm waiting explanation from a truly Sony fan.

 

[hemo memo]

Its too white and too big

That’s how some people like it tho.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Given the wide I/O, 12 Channel approach, I expect each of the individual chips run quite slow and subsequently cool.

Each chip is about 916 MB/s, most likely as a muxed 2-channel NAND module.

Plus two banks of 64 GB per chip, as there are six modules (I originally only thought three but CS Lurker and Tripolygon clarified that).

 

[Bo_Hazem]

From your post history you don't seem very knowledgeable about it. I'm waiting explanation from a truly Sony fan.

 

[kyliethicc]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

Bo_Hazem Bryank75 sircaw kyliethicc BlueXImpulse FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

I don't think so. The unit is sealed with those factory stickers that if tampered with void the warranty. I highly doubt Sony want anyone fucking with the die. I'm sure it'll be fine for the entire lifetime of the console. I know some PS4s could get loud over time because the thermal paste would dry out and wear out over time. Seems like this liquid metal would be more future proofed.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

Bo_Hazem Bryank75 sircaw kyliethicc BlueXImpulse FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

You'll need to differentiate between those things.
The APU has a cover which has build in liquid metal as a thermal conductor. Which you most likley won't be able to replace in any form.

BUT - There are still other parts of the cooling solution that have contact to the APU - thats where normal thermal paste / liquidmetal paste is, and can be applied.

 

[Sethbacca]

Its too white and too big

That's what she said?

(I'll show myself out....)

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

A buddy of mine has a question on the liquid metal cooling solution. Can anyone explain to me this:

"Do we know if the liquid metal needs to be reapplied? Or is it in between the dyes or something, was a little hard to tell. Because that would be a tricky process since spills can short the board".

Bo_Hazem Bryank75 sircaw kyliethicc BlueXImpulse FranXico anyone of you gentlemen can explain to me the above part?

The life of it is my concern..

 

[RoadHazard]

Of course not, but there’s a lot of heat contained within a relatively small volume so it’s going to be interesting how that reacts with the performance characteristics of the chip. We know it down clocks when needed so it will be interesting to see if performance degrades over time when it gets full of dust.

That's not how it works. It doesn't downclock based on heat. All PS5s will perform the same.

 

[geordiemp]

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I think your original post is contributing to the confusion, as I recall radial fans are also known as centrifugal fans.
and your second post some what corrects it but to make if clear.

The PS5 is using a centrifugal fan AKA radial fan as appose to an axial fan.


Also removing the sides on the PS5 may reduce the airflow because of the fan type,
radial fans are also louder which is why they are used for industrial use as well as video cards that make to much noise.
but I'm sure Sony has nice fan curve and some cleaver engineering to damping the sound.

You can only compare fans when working in an environment with pressure known behind and infront of fans.

THere will be quite a bit of resistance to air flow (load) and the blower type will be better for that purpose of steady flow.

Axial is better when it is open environment, not so good in a box pushing air through lots of slots.

 

[ultrazilla]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Didn't you just come off a ban?

Are you really coming at him with this, after responded to bait in kind?