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CDPR institutes mandatory six-day work weeks for Cyberpunk 2077
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Mr. PlayStation
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Crunch is awful situation and it sometimes ends up being the necessary evil to ship games 
BlitzerRadic
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Posters at REEEE are prolly flipping their lids over this lol.
CuNi
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GaviotaGrande
Banned
Each day spent on working for a corporation and not on building your own business is a day wasted.
Krappadizzle
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If they are fairly compensated via overtime and aren't literally "forced" or forced by coercion as in they may lose their job if they won't do overtime than I'm cool if they are. I've had jobs where the boss would surprise us with O.T. and while it was a fuck-ton of money, I love the time I spend with my wife and kid and wouldn't trade it for anything and I'd tell the boss all the time to kick rocks. I always said "if you give me the respect of asking me well ahead of time to do some O.T. on a project, than I'll give you the respect of seriously considering it and making concessions at home to make it work." But I'm no slave and won't just bend to the heel of anyone above me if I'm not doing anything wrong. Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Strider Highwind
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I work as a Software Engineer in a different field...and while the pay is damn good I have to admit the overtime/push can get ridiculous at times.
They literally told us today "We might have room to pay a few guys overtime in October"...then came back 2 hours later and said "nationwide mandatory overtime 6-8 hours per week until the 4th week ij November"
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Its work I enjoy so I'm not too bothered by it...but the field can be demanding ..especially if you're good at it
They literally told us today "We might have room to pay a few guys overtime in October"...then came back 2 hours later and said "nationwide mandatory overtime 6-8 hours per week until the 4th week ij November"
.Its work I enjoy so I'm not too bothered by it...but the field can be demanding ..especially if you're good at it
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
Crunch time in a software development project close to release?
Oh no.
So unexpected.
Seriously, though, the only news here is that they promised to do it without.
Which was an idiotic thing to promise. It's like promising the weather for the next 2 months.
It just doesn't work completely without crunch - not if deadlines have to be met. You can work on reducing the crunch, which they IMO did, but you can't completely erase it once deadlines are up.
Solution? Don't set deadlines - but go ahead and tell that to large companies that have to spend millions on a weekly basis...
Oh no.
So unexpected.
Seriously, though, the only news here is that they promised to do it without.
Which was an idiotic thing to promise. It's like promising the weather for the next 2 months.
It just doesn't work completely without crunch - not if deadlines have to be met. You can work on reducing the crunch, which they IMO did, but you can't completely erase it once deadlines are up.
Solution? Don't set deadlines - but go ahead and tell that to large companies that have to spend millions on a weekly basis...
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Piku_Ringo
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DonJorginho
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Some people work harder jobs 7 days a week which don't take place in a cosy office space, forgive me for a lack of sympathy.
Bonfires Down
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Best lesson from this all is to not announce a release date until you’re actually in the final polishing phase.
ZywyPL
Banned
That isn't much if you think about it, it's just and extra 5 days in October, IMO that's a much better solution than overhours every single day, especially in unknown quantities, while here after just a month the game will launch and they won't even remember.
In Poland 40h/week (8h/day) is the bare minimum, , with many many industries working for additional 4-8h on Saturday anyway.
In Poland 40h/week (8h/day) is the bare minimum, , with many many industries working for additional 4-8h on Saturday anyway.
The real issue here is that CDPR made a big deal of saying they wouldn’t force their employees to crunch.
They said this because it made them look cool... it was something they thought their fans would love them for - but now they’ve reneged.
And you want to blame the employees? Huh???
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Also, fairies? Fairies work at CDPR?
Explain.
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Fnord
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And if the servers crash at my office, I have to go in and stay there trying to get things back up and running, regardless of how long it takes. I knew this when I got into this line of work. I assume coders/developers are aware of the expectations of their jobs as well. As long as they accept a paycheck for their labor, I don't see why anyone should care.
Fnord
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Meant to add something about that. The only reason this should be remotely worth mentioning is that CDPR made a point of screaming from the hilltops that they wouldn't crunch. They shouldn't have done that because there was no way for them to know for a fact that would be the case. I still suspect their employees weren't surprised by this turn of events, however.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
I kinda get the feeling forum warriors have more problems with crunch than the people acutally doing it.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
jigglet
Banned
This. I used to love to be asked to work on weekends. It was (at the time) my only glimmer of hope of not having to take the standard 30 years to pay down my mortgage. You know what's more demoralising than 6 days a week for a few months? Thirty. Fucking. Years. Get some perspective snowflakes.
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Paracelsus
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Fnord
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Kind of like a LOT of other "ills" society is going through currently, it seems.
Lanrutcon
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You'd be wrong.
TheAssist
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I mean how many hours are we talking about here. Thats more important. Tons of industries have 6 day work weeks, thats totally normal. Think about everything that is open during the weekend. From the medical services, shopping and gastronomy, infrastructure, transport and logistics, etc. etc.
Its for flexibility reasons.
6 days a week with the same or almost the same hours for added flexibility would be fine. But yeah its the gaming industry, so we are probably talking 60 hour weeks here. Though usually worker rights are a lot more strict here in europe. Not sure about poland though. But unlike some other places, you actually have rights and you cant just overwork your workers unless they let them do that with themselves. Which is a problem and game devs should join a union.
Its for flexibility reasons.
6 days a week with the same or almost the same hours for added flexibility would be fine. But yeah its the gaming industry, so we are probably talking 60 hour weeks here. Though usually worker rights are a lot more strict here in europe. Not sure about poland though. But unlike some other places, you actually have rights and you cant just overwork your workers unless they let them do that with themselves. Which is a problem and game devs should join a union.
hemo memo
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Ftfy
JimmyRustler
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Well, I won't go as far to say that everyone is ok with this but I find it hard to believe that most people aren't to some degree. This has been known to be a common practice in the industry so everyone going into it must be aware. Also, folks making games have been doing these hours since forever. Just read Masters of Doom.
Daffy Duck
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As my most anticipated game I am now worried there’s gonna be another delay to 2021 which would suck so bad.
Obviously I don’t know what state the game is in currently or what the issues actually are (is it a case the game runs badly on Xbox one/base PS4?) who knows but they almost seem like they want this game to be 100% bug free.
Obviously I don’t know what state the game is in currently or what the issues actually are (is it a case the game runs badly on Xbox one/base PS4?) who knows but they almost seem like they want this game to be 100% bug free.
Well I see crunch as forced excessive hours in a day usually without suitable or any compensation.
This I see as an additional day of work, I would assume the day is of a reasonable length with pay.
Shit is tough here in Victoria after 6 months of lockdowns so my comments are biased due to current circumstances here. I would be so grateful to know I have 6 work days a week at this stage.
The fairies/weak comment is just a poke at those complaining about a mandatory additional day of work, I not "Blaming" them for anything.
Roufianos
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I mean, I would hate to be forced to do my job 6 days a week so I'm definitely not pro-crunch.
Ugh, can't believe I'm agreeing with Schrier and his Soy Army at ResetEra.
This game has been awfully managed, delayed 6 months and still being rushed to be finished.
Launching right at the start of a new gen, exclusive to previous gen machines.
Ugh, can't believe I'm agreeing with Schrier and his Soy Army at ResetEra.
This game has been awfully managed, delayed 6 months and still being rushed to be finished.
Launching right at the start of a new gen, exclusive to previous gen machines.
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Twinguistics
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Truth.
keraj37
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In 2020 somebody still believes that crunch works?
No it doesn't - it just gives a sense of more work done, but there is actually much less stuff done.
There is no one working with heart attached and everybody wants to go home now.
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No it doesn't - it just gives a sense of more work done, but there is actually much less stuff done.
There is no one working with heart attached and everybody wants to go home now.
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prinz_valium
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Well they're not forced. They all can quit their job.
DrumNBassDanTTV
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Well what do you expect? working 6 days a week is normal for many more people than obviously you expect, we have no word on what hours these 6 days include? could be 8hr shifts, could be 15hr shifts.... all in all they know what the buisness is about, crunch has always and will always be there, its part of many jobs, people normally dont bitch and moan about it ya know because nowadays you are lucky if you even have a job and hey! you are also being paid!
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As long as they are being paid, and it's only for a small period of time I think this is OK. As long as after the crunch they also go out of their way to compensate the personal time they have lost
Shifty1897
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If your company isn't working six or seven days a week, it's going to lose to a competitor that is working that much. The fact that they've avoided crunch this long during development shows since they've delayed the game twice now.
I haven't worked under 40 hours a week since 2007, my junior year of college. Most of the time when you're salary and you work extra, you don't get overtime or extra days off, you just ensure you're going to stick around when the next round of layoffs happen.
I haven't worked under 40 hours a week since 2007, my junior year of college. Most of the time when you're salary and you work extra, you don't get overtime or extra days off, you just ensure you're going to stick around when the next round of layoffs happen.
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Lanrutcon
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It's obviously up to the individual, but I doubt everyone went "This is great!" internally. "Mandatory" is nice way of saying "forced". What they voiced was another matter.
And "this is common practice" isn't a defense or an excuse. Lead based paint in homes was common practice at some point. So was child labor, forced marriages and mullets.
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JimmyRustler
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Yes, but we are talking here about people voluntarily going into pretty high paying jobs that are well known for crunch periods - especially by the people going into this job. I mean, hell, I would never even think about going into game development and know about this. Want to tell me people who acutally want to make games don't know about it? No one is forced to work as a game dev in a big company.
Look, I dunno shit. I just find it hard to believe that people who go into artistic fields like game or movie making are expecting normal working times like your normal office clerk. Can't wrap my head around this, sorry. I tried.
SaniOYOYOY
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imagine caring about other people workload when you are working yourself
also I imagine they get paid from that
also I imagine they get paid from that
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Lanrutcon
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That's ok. You're not a Developer. No-one expects you to sympathize.
ChoosableOne
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I do not understand those who say that they work for 6-7 days and underestimate these people. You got into that job knowing your hours and conditions, the situation here is different. CDPR even promised that there would be no crunch, and i don't think that these people signed a contract about accepting crunch. CDPR knows how many workers they have and they should make a schedule according to that.
If you have problems, you should talk too. Don't supress other people.
If you have problems, you should talk too. Don't supress other people.