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[BlueXImpulse]

Jesus a remake and 2 cross gen games are the answer.

No wonder Sony doesn’t want to make BC better than they have to.

Amazing.

That’s a very creative way of saying 3 GOTY contenders. It’s a foreign concept to you I’m sure, Xbox doesn’t get any of those Game of the Year thingys!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Actually if you map out XsX physical dimension, it is very compact for its superior power.
Give it a try. 15x15x30, a classy act of symmetry too!

Goes to show there is no secret clocking sauce, no silly Librebrave magic talk.
Many of us got banned for calling out PS5 'variable' clocks, we shall see soon.

Compact ? Sure again everything they do is an exception... big volume? Nope, compact by this criteria I just made up. Big raise in power consumption over XOX? “What about PS5” defense. I get you are excited by the XSX... praising a box for being a box? Symmetry in the box being as thick as it is wide? ...

Secret clocking sauce?! Lol, BTW, Digital Edition is 340 Watts, something tells me it is not the actual average power consumption... (hint: games are fully installed from the disc, the disc is not in constant use during gameplay), but let’s not stop you from taking things out of context (see you go back to the “no magic clocks told you told you” and “we called out the variable clocks” as in “we just said anything about it so something at least should vaguely sound almost correct”...).

If people concern trolled PS5 trying to paint the variable clocks solution without data and make absurd scenarios of last minute changes... it is different from the strong and brave foresight you seem to claim there.

 

[Kagey K]

That’s a very creative way of saying 3 GOTY contenders. It’s a foreign concept to you I’m sure, Xbox doesn’t get any of those Game of the Year thingys!

If this is GOTY I think it’s time for me to quit gaming. Since I already beat these games 100 years ago.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

If this is GOTY I think it’s time for me to quit gaming. Since I already beat these games 100 years ago.

You should probably quit then as it’s going to happen.

 

[Kagey K]

You should probably quit then as it’s going to happen.

X to doubt.

 

[djjinx2]

These games will come to PS5....




via Xcloud in PS5 browser

 

[longdi]

Sure... take all the movies that do premiere on the big screen out of the equation and wait for a few more years to see the big profits they make (look at how Uber is popular they must be taking in tons of cash).
But sure “games will stay the same because shareholders will just love lower and lower profit margins”... this sounds, sorry, as deluded as Nintendo core fans were seemingly convinced that Switch physical games would be cheaper thanks to shipping and Nintendo passing savings onto people .

Normally the argument by Xbox core fans is that GamePass enhances sales and does not eat into them, you are the bold one seemingly saying that no it can do that and if all games were served on just GamePass you would have the cake and eat it too.. that is seriously strong and brave .

When did i say this?
GPU can enhance sales because games are on a discount when you sub to it.
I totally agree with Xbox fans here.

My view is why do some concerned gamers keep saying GPU will degrade the quality of games?
It is just a subscription on rental basis. The goal is to get 15-30-60-120-240m subs over the decade. The money will come in, just not this soon.

 

[The Shift]

They know and they would be singing a different tune had Sony bought Zenimax...

If Sony bought Zenimax all of the IP would be Playstation exclusive and all titles currently on Xbox and PC would be delisted from the digital stores they currently reside in. Sony would not honour previous exclusive agreements nor would they port over or support ESO or F76 to Xbox Series X/S as well as actively blocking backward compatibility for all Zenimax IP on Microsoft consoles.

But on the flipside xbox users have to be cucks and accept the first party crown jewels being developed, published and supported on Playstation lest feelings get hurt?

C'mon man.

 

[longdi]

If Sony bought Zenimax all of the IP would be Playstation exclusive and all titles currently on Xbox and PC would be delisted from the digital stores they currently reside in. Sony would not honour previous exclusive agreements nor would they port over or support ESO or F76 to Xbox Series X/S as well as actively blocking backward compatibility for all Zenimax IP on Microsoft consoles.

But on the flipside xbox users have to be cucks and accept the first party crown jewels being developed, published and supported on Playstation lest feelings get hurt?

C'mon man.

And you have to pay $70-$80 dollars for Starfield!
Thats the Jim Ryn'ing way or the highway!

 

[Deleted member 775630]

They know and they would be singing a different tune had Sony bought Zenimax... something something anti-consuner something .

Seeing then splitting hairs how times exclusives were and are bad but buying up a publisher and locking exclusivity forever ia totally a different thing , now that is the funny joke.

Exclusive game releases on PS => max 120mil people can play it
Exclusive game releases on Xbox ecosystem => +1 billion people can play it

That's the difference. Sony fanboys have been saying since forever that Xbox has no exclusives since they release on PC. And every Sony fanboy has an amazing PC next to their PS, so there's not really an issue here.

 

[Kenpachii]

So many thing microsoft can do with those exclusive agreements.

- They can make it a hour exclusive
- They can make the game far more expensive with less features
- they can announce a better version a month later for xbox series X
- they can let the game run like completely trash on the PS5 vs great on the xbox series X or at reduced sittings and basically just state PS5 simple isn't fast enough for it.
- They can charge for online on PS5 and mods while free on the xbox.

etc etc etc

 

[Panajev2001a]

If Sony bought Zenimax all of the IP would be Playstation exclusive and all titles currently on Xbox and PC would be delisted from the digital stores they currently reside in. Sony would not honour previous exclusive agreements nor would they port over or support ESO or F76 to Xbox Series X/S as well as actively blocking backward compatibility for all Zenimax IP on Microsoft consoles.

But on the flipside xbox users have to be cucks and accept the first party crown jewels being developed, published and supported on Playstation lest feelings get hurt?

C'mon man.

quite amazed at how evil you paint Sony there.

Nope, they bought the company and as long as it does not become a shell of its former self then it makes the case for exclusive titles only the Xbox eco system can offer. It would be even better if it meant more XSX exclusive titles too.

The laughing bit is that it is not the tube The anti-consumer chanting parade was singing, all pending on Phil’s lips about (timed) exclusives being bad and against what gaming was all about when Sony was the one buying/creating studios and paying for exclusives.

Ah yes, the “timed exclusives takes a game away from other console players and bets your console a game it would have gotten anyways”. Followed not even much time after by “Starfield and TES VI only on Xbox lololllllllololol”... because those two games were not already being developed for both consoles... it is hypocrisy, but that seems not to matter when it seem to hurt the “other side” or give bragging rights which is an understandable human feeling.

 

[eventualdecline]

sure sure, whatever helps you sleep at night. Do not complain when the effect of “but we just thought we could have the same games we use to love at the same great quality and production values for a few dollars a month, it totally made sense” come crashing down and gaming landscape looks like the GaaS/MTX filled landscape you have on mobile or pricing looks like an American cable + internet monthly TV bill .

Not denying that getting games for free sounds like a good short term deal for you and me, keyword is “short term”.

Yeah, and let’s not forget that it was already a well-established fact that Xbox was already struggling to make games on par with Sony and Nintendo’s legendary first party games, even when MS was still charging for games. Now the Xbots think that they’re going to compete with Sony and Nintendo studios when they’re getting new games for the price of a can of soup. Xbox owners are in for a rude awakening. They’re going to get AA games, at best.

GPU content will have the same quality, no fear.
MS will raise monthly sub prices few years down.
MS can eat the costs,

Right, just like how MS ate the costs before and delivered all of those ground-breaking, stunning exclusives on Xbox One, right? And how Xbox exclusives were always on par with Sony and Nintendo first party games, even before game pass, right? Oops. Cognitive dissonance. MS will now have even less reason to even begin to compete with Sony, Nintendo, and even major third party studios like Ubisoft and Activision.. MS has absolutely zero track record for fostering talent, promoting creativity in their first party devs, etc. Good luck with all of that. You’re going to need it.

 

[longdi]

Compact ? Sure again everything they do is an exception... big volume? Nope, compact by this criteria I just made up. Big raise in power consumption over XOX? “What about PS5” defense. I get you are excited by the XSX... praising a box for being a box? Symmetry in the box being as thick as it is wide? ...

Secret clocking sauce?! Lol, BTW, Digital Edition is 340 Watts, something tells me it is not the actual average power consumption... (hint: games are fully installed from the disc, the disc is not in constant use during gameplay), but let’s not stop you from taking things out of context (see you go back to the “no magic clocks told you told you” and “we called out the variable clocks” as in “we just said anything about it so something at least should vaguely sound almost correct”...).

If people concern trolled PS5 trying to paint the variable clocks solution without data and make absurd scenarios of last minute changes... it is different from the strong and brave foresight you seem to claim there.

The 10w is just the raw BR consumption i bet. IIRC Uhd bluray drives need 1a~1.5a.
If SeX is discless, it's PSU will be 290W, back to square 1.

No trust me. 15x15x30, in cm, is compact AF.
For eg, this hottest budget mitx case now, is bigger than SeX!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Exclusive game releases on PS => max 120mil people can play it
Exclusive game releases on Xbox ecosystem => +1 billion people can play it

That's the difference. Sony fanboys have been saying since forever that Xbox has no exclusives since they release on PC. And every Sony fanboy has an amazing PC next to their PS, so there's not really an issue here.

I thought that with Sony making PSNow available beyond consoles and having more titles on PC’s the equation would change there, but sure Xbox has 1 billion customers already... you could be better you could be claiming 3 billion . Again a case of “if it benefits me I can justify it”.

So Sony fans having to buy a gaming PC (far more than £349) is acceptable while for PC gamers with a nice gaming PC or Xbox gamers having to pay £349 to get the PS exclusive titles is too much to ask and anti-consumer ?

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Yeah, and let’s not forget that it was already a well-established fact that Xbox was already struggling to make games on par with Sony and Nintendo’s legendary first party games, even when MS was still charging for games. Now the Xbots think that they’re going to compete with Sony and Nintendo studios when they’re getting new games for the price of a can of soup. Xbox owners are in for a rude awakening. They’re going to get AA games, at best.




Right, just like how MS ate the costs before and delivered all of those ground-breaking, stunning exclusives on Xbox One, right? And how Xbox exclusives were always on par with Sony and Nintendo first party games, even before game pass, right? Oops. Cognitive dissonance. MS will now have even less reason to even begin to compete with Sony, Nintendo, and even major third party studios like Ubisoft and Activision.. MS has absolutely zero track record for fostering talent, promoting creativity in their first party devs, etc. Good luck with all of that. You’re going to need it.

Signed up to post some "I didn't want those Zenimax/Bethesda IPs anyway" salt.

It's ok to be upset.

 

[eventualdecline]

• denial
• anger
• bargaining
• depression
• acceptance

I’m assuming that this list is new Series X owners, staring down the barrel of their release line up for the next year or two, and comparing it to the PS5’s vibrant exclusives list just for the next year alone? I mean really, if Bethesda comes through in 2, 3, or 4 years from now, then fine, trade in your PS5 spaceship for a Series X in 2024. But I’m not sure what kind of masochist would pick up a Series X over a PS5 now, because that Xbox release schedule is currently looking like a tumbleweed street in an Old West town.

 

[Hostile_18]

I'm not going to get into this with you, because you are normally a pleasant and rational poster except when you want something unreasonable to happen because it benefits Sony platforms. Xbox is not here to accommodate people who buy only the competing platform, nor to provide AAA content for Sony.

I grown to like and respect over time but in my first encounter with you I was ready to strangle you. You expected Obsidian to discount the Outer Worlds for Sony gamers because it was day and date on Game Pass. Didn't happen just because you wanted it to, and this isn't going to happen just because you want it to. either.

Enjoy your PS5 and the Sony games you love, I'll do the same on my Series X and the games I love. but let's you and I not cross swords on this issue again.

A difference of opinion is all good, as I mentioned both a valid marketing strategies. I think I've provided sound rationale behind what I'm saying and yours also makes sense, neither are crazy or anything. No one can know exactly what will happen, speculation has divided even people working in the industry. I know you very firmly believe what your saying, just as I believe what I'm saying. But I'm not emotionally invested one way or the other (I'm probably getting both consoles now).

I didn't expect Outer Worlds to be discounted I just think that morally any game that comes out on Gamepass day one *should* be offered at a discount on rival machines. I know it's not going to happen and even as strongly as I believe that should I own just one console next gen I will be making exceptions for the franchises I really love.

I only quoted you because I enjoy differing opinions and when we do have them I know theres sound reasoning behind both of them so it makes me consider the other side. I'm certainly not a poster that can't respect another opinion, or that what I'm saying is right and everyone else is wrong etc.

Looking forward to seeing how this all plays out and if I'm wrong on this, hopefully both look back and laugh. Hope you enjoy your next console, not long to go!

 

[Panajev2001a]

The 10w is just the raw BR consumption i bet. IIRC Uhd bluray drives need 1a~1.5a.
If SeX is discless, it's PSU will be 290W, back to square 1.

PSU ratings measurement matter but the metric you want to use in your argument (dear Lord, do not look into a modern PC ) would be power consumption while gaming on average.

The 10 Watts being the Blu-Ray drive was exactly my point: it is not something that affects sustained power consumption under load. Why? Games are installed and then the game is read from the SSD and the Blu-Ray drive goes to sleep.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I thought that with Sony making PSNow available beyond consoles and having more titles on PC’s the equation would change there, but sure Xbox has 1 billion customers already... you could be better you could be claiming 3 billion . Again a case of “if it benefits me I can justify it”.

So Sony fans having to buy a gaming PC (far more than £349) is acceptable while for PC gamers with a nice gaming PC or Xbox gamers having to pay £349 to get the PS exclusive titles is too much to ask and anti-consumer ?

They don't have to buy a gaming PC. All of them already have one... Do you even follow gaming trends on forums? Every Sony fanboy here claims to go PC-PS5 this gen.

Also everyone has a mobile phone, you don't have to buy extra hardware, you can stream it with xCloud.

 

[Redlight]

People like you seem to have a hard time comprehending that there’s a difference between a Halo or Forza game coming to Playstation, something that no one, anywhere, predicted, asked for, or expected to happen, and a game by Bethesda or ID coming to Playstation, who are established third party devs that Johnny-come-lately MS swooped in and snatched at the last minute. Halo and Forza were franchises that MS built from the ground up, even if they did acquire a relatively small Bungie, decades ago. Bethesda and ID were established third party developers with a host of multi-platform franchises that have been on every console under the sun, for decades.

You guys are also not factoring in that MS bought up all of these devs parent company in one fell swoop, rather than individually purchasing studios and then supporting those studios, the way virtually everyone else has always done this. MS swoops in desperately after forgetting about funding quality single player games for the past 10 years, and the Xbots see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Very strange behavior from Xbox fans. So it’s disingenuous and moronic to not recognize the difference between a PS5 owner expecting Halo on his shiny new system, and expecting Doom. It’s two completely different things, so stop being so obtuse about it. And buying up a shit ton of established third party devs in one fell swoop is not going to earn you any street cred. In fact, people will remember this and mock MS over their desperation and the circumstances that led them to do it, years from now. Bet on it.

Finally, what about Todd Howard’s statement right after the acquisition, about Bethesda still being an independent publisher and wanting to bring their games to everyone? Interesting timing for a statement like that, right? Funny, I don’t remember Bungie saying something like that right before Halo 2 launched in 2004.

'People like you'. You mean people who think logically?

You're having a 'MS is a bunch of evil cheats, they shouldn't be allowed to buy games I want, it's not fair to Playstation' tantrum. Strangely, I'm not really worried about MS's 'street cred'. Go figure.

Xbox owns Zenimax and all the IPs therein. Once that deal is bedded down, there will be no fundamental difference between Fallout and Halo .

Todd Howard didn't say that Bethesda is still an independent publisher, at least not in his official press release. How could they be? They weren't independent before, they were owned by Zenimax. They're not independent now, they're owned by Microsoft.

Two key quotes from Todd...

Like our original partnership, this one is about more than one system or one screen. We share a deep belief in the fundamental power of games, in their ability to connect, empower, and bring joy. And a belief we should bring that to everyone - regardless of who you are, where you live, or what you play on. Regardless of the screen size, the controller, or your ability to even use one.

You think that's a 'gotcha' for Playstation, that it indicates that these games are on the way to PS5. Sorry, you're wrong.

Howard is really talking about Xbox/PC/Gamepass/Xcloud. Note the reference to screen size? Also note, and this is a vitally important clue, how he describes the original 'Morrowind' deal with Xbox...

Microsoft and their new Xbox crew had a view, that I came to share completely. Shouldn’t we allow anyone to have this experience? Why does it matter where the screen is or what the controller is? There are many people without the same access, and we can bring it to them.

Can you see that it's basically the same language, the same rhetoric, the same grand overview? Guess what?

'Morrowind' was exclusive to Xbox and PC. Just as Zenimax games will be.

 

[TriSuit666]

He might be talking about cases you haven't considered.

Amazon is launching a service like Prime Video but for games. A set of free games comes with the sub, then you pay extra to get access to specialist 'channels' (think HBO). I wouldn't be surprised if Gamepass becomes a premium channel on a service like that.

That scenario is far more likely than MS releasing their exclusives on PS5.

Well, yes. But in that scenario, Sony and their puny product become even more irrelevant, as MS would be thumbing their noses more at Apple than the PlayStation.

I do feel this is the logical endpoint for all the numbnut console owners who were arguing the Xbox was shit because it had ‘no exclusives, and that’s what brings the milkshake to the yard’.

 

[longdi]

PSU ratings measurement matter but the metric you want to use in your argument (dear Lord, do not look into a modern PC ) would be power consumption while gaming on average.

The 10 Watts being the Blu-Ray drive was exactly my point: it is not something that affects sustained power consumption under load. Why? Games are installed and then the game is read from the SSD and the Blu-Ray drive goes to sleep.

And Sony is 'recommending' a bigger PSU for PS5.
Will we get to see Nvidia recommending a 875w psu for their next 3070? Ouch!

 

[The Shift]

quite amazed at how evil you paint Sony there.

Nope, they bought the company and as long as it does not become a shell of its former self then it makes the case for exclusive titles only the Xbox eco system can offer. It would be even better if it meant more XSX exclusive titles too.

The laughing bit is that it is not the tube The anti-consumer chanting parade was singing, all pending on Phil’s lips about (timed) exclusives being bad and against what gaming was all about when Sony was the one buying/creating studios and paying for exclusives.

Ah yes, the “timed exclusives takes a game away from other console players and bets your console a game it would have gotten anyways”. Followed not even much time after by “Starfield and TES VI only on Xbox lololllllllololol”... because those two games were not already being developed for both consoles... it is hypocrisy, but that seems not to matter when it seem to hurt the “other side” or give bragging rights which is an understandable human feeling.

Sony would execute as I described. They have little to no history in regards to sharing assets. Microsoft does - on Playstation, multiple Nintendo platforms and PC.

The appeals to emotion and whimsy are on you.

 

[devilNprada]

The goal is to get 15-30-60-120-240m subs

More subs than Netflix? Uh huh You're getting a little ahead of yourself.

"Luna now included with your Amazon Prime Subscription" ... Good luck competing with that!
That's why they spent 7. 5 billion dollars you console warrior peons.

 

[Redlight]

They know and they would be singing a different tune had Sony bought Zenimax... something something anti-consuner something .

Seeing then splitting hairs how times exclusives were and are bad but buying up a publisher and locking exclusivity forever ia totally a different thing , now that is the funny joke.

I am not saying Zenimax games should not be exclusives, you are reading off the wrong page of the script here, they bought the publisher and its Studios and those games are now and should be exclusives as that is how it works.

The fun bit is the usual speech against timed exclusives, full exclusives, making games available to all gamers being what gaming is about, and the rest of the stuff the hardcore fanbase used to chant back when they did not have all these studios backing them and the idea of content starving the other gamers was not something they could express realistic wet dreams on.

Now, the scenario has changed and the pro-all-consumers spiel charade has been dropped (the fringe of the fanbase are preceding their leader who is saying that but in a much softer leaving some [false] hope kind of way]) and replaced by the “suck it, buy an Xbox losers” victory lap .

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[eventualdecline]

Signed up to post some "I didn't want those Zenimax/Bethesda IPs anyway" salt.

It's ok to be upset.

The irony of this disastrous post of yours is that I wasn’t really talking about Zenimax in the post you quoted. Is that virtually all that Xboxers know how to say now, that Sony fans are salty over Bethesda, even when no one is talking about that topic? Most of Zenimax’s properties are PC centric franchises anyway. Most Sony fans would be more excited about something like FF16, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, or a new Resident Evil. At least those games exist. ES6 likely doesn’t. Either way, what I was talking about was MS’s abysmal first party performance IN GENERAL compared to Sony and Nintendo, long before Zenimax and long before game pass. I don’t see how Xbox games now having the equivalent value of a can of soup is somehow going go turn MS into a quality game publisher. Seems unlikely.

Finally, if I want to play buggy Bethesda games on PC in 2026, I can. Good luck playing Ratchet and Clank on PC though.

 

[Bergoglio]

You can always cancel your PS5 preorder and buy a series X. I hear they have tons of them available in Finland.

I spent 500€ just to play Ragnarok and ND titles in the future. I don’t care anything about Horizon but I hope to see new compelling exclusives that aren’t only sequels. I’d like to see a first party FPS, a RTS game and a fantasy RPG like Fable from Sony.

I’m not interested in Xbox until 2022.

 

[longdi]

More subs than Netflix? Uh huh You're getting a little ahead of yourself.

"Luna now included with your Amazon Prime Subscription" ... Good luck competing with that!

Like i said, MS has the advantage of cloud or local client.
That is besides their longer history with games and with this Zenimax buyout. Im more bullish on MS than Amazon or Apple, while Google continues to lol wasting shareholders' funds.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Again posting quickly without reading... I am neither arguing that exclusives are bad nor that buying Bethesda and making their games exclusives in the future is evil.

Just getting some chuckles chasing what is the current position for those fans that were calling those games exclusivity deals anti consumer and against what gaming is all about and that fill their mouths with “we do not care where people game as long as they play these games” and now are gleefully gloating over their “enemies” about games they were going to get but are not anymore .

Can you seriously post that had Zenimax been bought by Sony and al games made exclusive to PS5 and PC that the hot Xbox fans would have not jumped back on the drums of “exclusivity is anti consumer, you are taking multiplatform series games away from people”?!? ...

 

[devilNprada]

Like i said, MS has the advantage of cloud or local client.
That is besides their longer history with games and with this Zenimax buyout. Im more bullish on MS than Amazon or Apple, while Google continues to lol wasting shareholders' funds.

If you don't have Amazon prime sorry for you.

 

[Kagey K]

I spent 500€ just to play Ragnarok and ND titles in the future. I don’t care anything about Horizon but I hope to see new compelling exclusives that aren’t only sequels. I’d like to see a first party FPS, a RTS game and a fantasy RPG like Fable from Sony.

I’m not interested in Xbox until 2022.

So you aren’t interested in Xbox until 2022 but you bought a next gen console full of games you cant play Until 2021 or 2022?


Makes sense.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

The irony of this disastrous post of yours is that I wasn’t really talking about Zenimax in the post you quoted. Is that virtually all that Xboxers know how to say now, that Sony fans are salty over Bethesda, even when no one is talking about that topic? Most of Zenimax’s properties are PC centric franchises anyway. Most Sony fans would be more excited about something like FF16, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, or a new Resident Evil. At least those games exist. ES6 likely doesn’t. Either way, what I was talking about was MS’s abysmal first party performance IN GENERAL compared to Sony and Nintendo, long before Zenimax and long before game pass. I don’t see how Xbox games now having the equivalent value of a can of soup is somehow going go turn MS into a quality game publisher. Seems unlikely.

So what you're saying is, you're posting off topic in a thread about the Zenimax acquisition? Perhaps you should have acquainted yourself with the forum rules before jumping head-first into white knighting for your €80 games box. Neo members these days...

Finally, if I want to play buggy Bethesda games on PC in 2026, I can. Good luck playing Ratchet and Clank on PC though.

So you tried to think of the best Sony exclusive you could, to make PC gamers feel envious, and you came up with Ratchet and Clank? I'm fine with The Elder Scrolls, thanks.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I spent 500€ just to play Ragnarok and ND titles in the future. I don’t care anything about Horizon but I hope to see new compelling exclusives that aren’t only sequels. I’d like to see a first party FPS, a RTS game and a fantasy RPG like Fable from Sony.

I’m not interested in Xbox until 2022.

Sure, but thanks to the shitty PS5 pre-order situations I was going to be an XSX only gamer for God knows how long haha as I was able to pre-order the XSX but until yesterday was not able to order the PS5. MSFS2020 and some other titles and some other perks make it valuable as an “and” console a d let’s see if they go out of their way to keep it a good value or if they try the Apple approach of constantly trying to shift onto new HW every year or two.

 

[longdi]

Sure, but thanks to the shitty PS5 pre-order situations I was going to be an XSX only gamer for God knows how long haha as I was able to pre-order the XSX but until yesterday was not able to order the PS5. MSFS2020 and some other titles and some other perks make it valuable as an “and” console a d let’s see if they go out of their way to keep it a good value or if they try the Apple approach of constantly trying to shift onto new HW every year or two.

Great!
Get GPU, do the 3 years 'hack'. Quick! Xbl Gold 12mth e-cards can be found on Amazon.
You can play on XSX, PC and Phone.
Save your money son, the world is changing with covid and nationalism.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Ladies and gents pack it up, it's time we all admit to the reality that Bethesda games won't be on PS5 no matter how many million console Sony sells. It's time you buy a second console to sit alongside your PS5 in your home and that second console should be a Series X in 2023.

 

[sircaw]

I've read Phil's quotes, just like you, however I've also managed to comprehend them.

In that interview he is talking about cross-generational exclusives. Games only available on Series X at launch and not available to Xbox One owners. When he talks about playing on 'any device' he's talking about Gamepass on PC/Xbox as well as Xcloud on tablets, TVs and mobile devices.

He made those statements some time back, did you believe that 'Forza', 'Halo Infinite' etc were coming to PS5 as a result? No, you didn't.

Your sudden conviction that MS is going third-party on, potentially, their biggest titles is pure damage control. PS5 not having the next Elder Scrolls or Fallout or Doom is a big deal and this is your coping strategy.

Zenimax games are not coming to PS5.

Face the facts sunshine, i know its hard for your ego to accept it but its the way forward.

 

[devilNprada]

Ladies and gents pack it up, it's time we all admit to the reality that Bethesda games won't be on PS5 no matter how many million console Sony sells. It's time you buy a second console to sit alongside your PS5 in your home and that second console should be a Series X in 2023.

Can I play them on a Mac?

I kid but seriously I don't anticipate going to the PS5 if that's part of the game... But I really don't believe it is. Console warriors want to argue but it's MS's way of countering Amazon and google which are already in every household and on just about every device already. All else being equal I want to be in the eco system that delivers free groceries and turns off my ceiling fans..

 

[eventualdecline]

'People like you'. You mean people who think logically?

You're having a 'MS is a bunch of evil cheats, they shouldn't be allowed to buy games I want, it's not fair to Playstation' tantrum. Strangely, I'm not really worried about MS's 'street cred'. Go figure.

Xbox owns Zenimax and all the IPs therein. Once that deal is bedded down, there will be no fundamental difference between Fallout and Halo .

Todd Howard didn't say that Bethesda is still an independent publisher, at least not in his official press release. How could they be? They weren't independent before, they were owned by Zenimax. They're not independent now, they're owned by Microsoft.

Two key quotes from Todd...

Like our original partnership, this one is about more than one system or one screen. We share a deep belief in the fundamental power of games, in their ability to connect, empower, and bring joy. And a belief we should bring that to everyone - regardless of who you are, where you live, or what you play on. Regardless of the screen size, the controller, or your ability to even use one.

You think that's a 'gotcha' for Playstation, that it indicates that these games are on the way to PS5. Sorry, you're wrong.

Howard is really talking about Xbox/PC/Gamepass/Xcloud. Note the reference to screen size? Also note, and this is a vitally important clue, how he describes the original 'Morrowind' deal with Xbox...

Microsoft and their new Xbox crew had a view, that I came to share completely. Shouldn’t we allow anyone to have this experience? Why does it matter where the screen is or what the controller is? There are many people without the same access, and we can bring it to them.

Can you see that it's basically the same language, the same rhetoric, the same grand overview? Guess what?

'Morrowind' was exclusive to Xbox and PC. Just as Zenimax games will be.

I don’t actually care if Bethesda’s IP’s only go to Xbox. I already stated that I can play their buggy, PC-centric crap on PC in 2026 or whenever some of these non-existent games come out in some far off, dystopian future. But you’re totally missing the point here. As I stated, you’re being disingenuous, and your logic is absolute crap. You can minimized MS’s cheap ass bullshit move, buying several IP’s that were multi-platform for decades, and try to pretend that now means that MS, a provably shitty publisher, is now some kind of world-class game publisher. They’re not, and you’re not going to fool anyone, buddy. But fine, minimize it. However, I’m not going to let you get away with some of your other zany logic:

Yeah, so MS buying Zenimax makes Fallout equivalent to Halo. Sure it does. Everyone believes you. Just like if Sony bought Sega and locked down Sonic the Hedgehog, that would make Sonic equivalent to Ratchet and Clank. And Switch owners and even many Xbox owners wouldn’t cry foul. Sure, Sonic used to be a Sega hardware exclusive, but that was due to Sega’s hardware division failing, not due to Sega being bought out. Also, if Sony bought Ubisoft, I guess Assassin’s Creed would now be equivalent to Uncharted and God of War, right? No one would think that, and droves of Xbox owners would cry foul and correctly point out that AC has always been multiplatform and wasn’t created by Sony. This is what I mean by you being disingenuous. You are making false equivalencies, and your logic is pure garbage.

 

[Redlight]

I’m assuming that this list is new Series X owners, staring down the barrel of their release line up for the next year or two, and comparing it to the PS5’s vibrant exclusives list just for the next year alone? I mean really, if Bethesda comes through in 2, 3, or 4 years from now, then fine, trade in your PS5 spaceship for a Series X in 2024. But I’m not sure what kind of masochist would pick up a Series X over a PS5 now, because that Xbox release schedule is currently looking like a tumbleweed street in an Old West town.

It's take awhile, just as most of Sony's first-party stuff is also a long way off. You won't see another Naughty Dog game for awhile, nothing from Sucker Punch, after the Spiderman DLC nothing from Insomniac for a long time. What's the actual confirmed date for GT7, God of War and Horizon? I haven't seen any day and date information.

In the meantime, Third-party games are nearly all games. Those games on the most powerful hardware? Sounds good to me. Gamepass to fill in the gaps? Also sounds good.

Time flies, Xbox players will be drowning in first-party before you know it.

Or, give that up for Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman DLC and a remake?

Hmmm, not that tempting to be honest.

 

[Hostile_18]

Ladies and gents pack it up, it's time we all admit to the reality that Bethesda games won't be on PS5 no matter how many million console Sony sells. It's time you buy a second console to sit alongside your PS5 in your home and that second console should be a Series X in 2023.

I don't think that's going to be the case but the day 1 gamepass has given me enough of a reason to finally get a Series X along with my PS5 I think.

 

[Njocky]

Remember to read what Phil said, I even bolded it for you.



Here is a quote from Good old Phil,

Spencer said the lack of current console exclusives is intentional.

“We should applaud load times and fidelity of scenes and framerate and input latency, and all of these things that we’ve focused on with the next generation,” Spencer said. “But that should not exclude people from being able to play.”


Spencer classified gaming as a fun, community activity — and not one that should ever exclude people based on their financial situation or lack of access.

“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”

Have a good night.

If you haven’t understood that Phil was defending cross generational games and game pass with that statement, then you need to real the whole interview again my man. Or find a reading comprehension tutorial?

 

[yurinka]

"In terms of other platforms we'll take it on a case by case basis" means some games will be full console exclusives while others will be on PS5 since day one or (more likely, I think) Xbox timed console exclusives, so available on PS5 1/3/6/12 months after being released on Xbox.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Great!
Get GPU, do the 3 years 'hack'. Quick! Xbl Gold 12mth e-cards can be found on Amazon.
You can play on XSX, PC and Phone.
Save your money son, the world is changing with covid and nationalism.

What are you talking about with the economic/politics stuff? ... Do not even try to paint it all as more than their business plan please, fine for those who like it and those that do want to believe that a Netflix style only feature will give them the game experiences they grew with and not the mobile MTX heck that is on the horizon, but sure...

Will see what is best and for games that are worth their salt I prefer to buy them and support the dev directly. Ultimately Netflix survives and produces a good mix of content because big movies productions and movie theatres are/were Still a thing and because of back catalogues that model produced.

You say you live BC and all the great Hanes it brings back... that model had worked and had clear benefits. Sure, for a gamer thinking of paying only £9.99-12 a month seems sweet until the game selection provided eventually changes: I still do not think the gaming landscape people are accustomed to (there are lots of people that game on single player and non MTX heavy games) and imagine getting the same or better for a lot less money. Too good to be true and all that...

I do not think these consoles work well without PS+ or XBL and the latter is easy to convert into GPU so I will make some use of the XBL 2 year subscription cards.

 

[longdi]

What are you talking about with the economic/politics stuff? ... Do not even try to paint it all as more than their business plan please, fine for those who like it and those that do want to believe that a Netflix style only feature will give them the game experiences they grew with and not the mobile MTX heck that is on the horizon, but sure...

Will see what is best and for games that are worth their salt I prefer to buy them and support the dev directly. Ultimately Netflix survives and produces a good mix of content because big movies productions and movie theatres are/were Still a thing and because of back catalogues that model produced.

You say you live BC and all the great Hanes it brings back... that model had worked and had clear benefits. Sure, for a gamer thinking of paying only £9.99-12 a month seems sweet until the game selection provided eventually changes: I still do not think the gaming landscape people are accustomed to (there are lots of people that game on single player and non MTX heavy games) and imagine getting the same or better for a lot less money. Too good to be true and all that...

I do not think these consoles work well without PS+ or XBL and the latter is easy to convert into GPU so I will make some use of the XBL 2 year subscription cards.

Please relax on the future games will suck on rental model. They will be just fine. There is developers' pride still.

When you convert to GPU, and browse through the games, you will love for how 'little' you need to pay to access them. You will be outta disk space soon!
Yes, you can still buy the games so that they will stay in your library and not get rotated out.

Believe in GPU and Phil.

 

[Redlight]

I don’t actually care if Bethesda’s IP’s only go to Xbox. I already stated that I can play their buggy, PC-centric crap on PC in 2026 or whenever some of these non-existent games come out in some far off, dystopian future. But you’re totally missing the point here. As I stated, you’re being disingenuous, and your logic is absolute crap. You can minimized MS’s cheap ass bullshit move, buying several IP’s that were multi-platform for decades, and try to pretend that now means that MS, a provably shitty publisher, is now some kind of world-class game publisher. They’re not, and you’re not going to fool anyone, buddy. But fine, minimize it. However, I’m not going to let you get away with some of your other zany logic:

Yeah, so MS buying Zenimax makes Fallout equivalent to Halo. Sure it does. Everyone believes you. Just like if Sony bought Sega and locked down Sonic the Hedgehog, that would make Sonic equivalent to Ratchet and Clank. And Switch owners and even many Xbox owners wouldn’t cry foul. Sure, Sonic used to be a Sega hardware exclusive, but that was due to Sega’s hardware division failing, not due to Sega being bought out. Also, if Sony bought Ubisoft, I guess Assassin’s Creed would now be equivalent to Uncharted and God of War, right? No one would think that, and droves of Xbox owners would cry foul and correctly point out that AC has always been multiplatform and wasn’t created by Sony. This is what I mean by you being disingenuous. You are making false equivalencies, and your logic is pure garbage.

If Sony bought Sega or Ubisoft would Sonic and Assassin's Creed be Playstation exclusive? Yes, of course they would.
Just as the Zenimax games will be exclusive to Xbox/PC.

You do realise that's what we're discussing in here don't you?

Was buying Zenimax a 'cheap ass bullshit move'? I don't know. Maybe you could start that thread and make your point because this thread isn't about that.

 

[nowhat]

There are only a limited number of proven creators of AAA.

True... this is a thread about Bethesda - given their recent track record, "AAA" is definitely a misnomer.

 

[Njocky]

People like you seem to have a hard time comprehending that there’s a difference between a Halo or Forza game coming to Playstation, something that no one, anywhere, predicted, asked for, or expected to happen, and a game by Bethesda or ID coming to Playstation, who are established third party devs that Johnny-come-lately MS swooped in and snatched at the last minute. Halo and Forza were franchises that MS built from the ground up, even if they did acquire a relatively small Bungie, decades ago. Bethesda and ID were established third party developers with a host of multi-platform franchises that have been on every console under the sun, for decades.

You guys are also not factoring in that MS bought up all of these devs parent company in one fell swoop, rather than individually purchasing studios and then supporting those studios, the way virtually everyone else has always done this. MS swoops in desperately after forgetting about funding quality single player games for the past 10 years, and the Xbots see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Very strange behavior from Xbox fans. So it’s disingenuous and moronic to not recognize the difference between a PS5 owner expecting Halo on his shiny new system, and expecting Doom. It’s two completely different things, so stop being so obtuse about it. And buying up a shit ton of established third party devs in one fell swoop is not going to earn you any street cred. In fact, people will remember this and mock MS over their desperation and the circumstances that led them to do it, years from now. Bet on it.

Finally, what about Todd Howard’s statement right after the acquisition, about Bethesda still being an independent publisher and wanting to bring their games to everyone? Interesting timing for a statement like that, right? Funny, I don’t remember Bungie saying something like that right before Halo 2 launched in 2004.

In that case, where is your outrage for FF16 only being on PS5, a franchise that “has been in every device under the sun”? Is that buying Sony “Street cred” all of a sudden? (You informed us it doesn’t for Microsoft)
Also instead of just painting it as “desperation”, have you considered that MS might have been trying to keep Bethesda away from Amazon and Stadia for the purpose of protecting Xcloud? And was it desperation when Sony admittedly contacted every publisher in the industry to secure exclusives? if they can do that as the uncontested market leader and it’s ok, I would say MS is just catching up with this ZeniMax acquisition.

 

[Calverz]

You tried I guess. Starfield next year. Vs God of War 2, HFW and Demon’s Souls in the first year. Three potential GOTY vs one. There is no need for any PS5 player to be upset.

 

[Redlight]

Face the facts sunshine, i know its hard for your ego to accept it but its the way forward.

When your argument fails, throw a few insults, point out the window, say "Watch out!" and run away. Classic.