AllBizness
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When Phil said "case by case basis" he means Deathloop that is a PS5 timed exclusive also Minecraft which will remain on PlayStation also and they just added PSVR support.
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Phil Spencer on Bethesda IP exclusivity | Yahoo Finance
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TKOFromTokyo
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I’m pretty sure he said after Deathloop.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It's a nice sentiment, but a platform agnostic game industry is just not happening anytime soon. There is just too much money involved and where there is money, there will be fierce competition.
AllBizness
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Whatever, you guys are in denial man.
TKOFromTokyo
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I agree that PS5 isn’t going to see many games from them, but Phil did say it.
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Microsoft will honor Bethesda’s PS5 exclusives, but future console releases will be “case-by-case”
Future Bethesda titles could be Xbox console exclusives.
www.google.com
I'll help you case by case basis.I agree that PS5 isn’t going to see many games from them, but Phil did say it.
Microsoft will honor Bethesda’s PS5 exclusives, but future console releases will be “case-by-case”
Future Bethesda titles could be Xbox console exclusives.
Phil should starfield come to Sony and help them out?
How about doom ps5 version lol?
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My, my. Isn't that thread a gold-mine of idiocy. Thanks for that timely reminder.You mean the styling and profiling here until this news lol. I said all along buy studios.
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...www.neogaf.com
StreetsofBeige
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Well, regardless of his case by case PR blurb, theres really only so many options MS will do. As many of us discussed in polls, it really comes down to
Types of games: All, traditional, F2P/service game
Exclusivity: All (aside from existing contracts to fill), timed, selective, none (status quo multiplats)
Take your pick mixing and matching combos for the above.
Types of games: All, traditional, F2P/service game
Exclusivity: All (aside from existing contracts to fill), timed, selective, none (status quo multiplats)
Take your pick mixing and matching combos for the above.
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I've read Phil's quotes, just like you, however I've also managed to comprehend them.
In that interview he is talking about cross-generational exclusives. Games only available on Series X at launch and not available to Xbox One owners. When he talks about playing on 'any device' he's talking about Gamepass on PC/Xbox as well as Xcloud on tablets, TVs and mobile devices.
He made those statements some time back, did you believe that 'Forza', 'Halo Infinite' etc were coming to PS5 as a result? No, you didn't.
Your sudden conviction that MS is going third-party on, potentially, their biggest titles is pure damage control. PS5 not having the next Elder Scrolls or Fallout or Doom is a big deal and this is your coping strategy.
Zenimax games are not coming to PS5.
He might be talking about cases you haven't considered.
Amazon is launching a service like Prime Video but for games. A set of free games comes with the sub, then you pay extra to get access to specialist 'channels' (think HBO). I wouldn't be surprised if Gamepass becomes a premium channel on a service like that.
That scenario is far more likely than MS releasing their exclusives on PS5.
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I didn't see anyone arguing 'Don't worry, Sony exclusives will come to Xbox anyway, because Sony needs to recoup their investment'.You are very bad at stalking other forums members before trying to call them out. Did you see me gloating about those things or lording it over the suckers or salty fanboy tears about those exclusives while calling all this anti consumer? Again feels like a canned reply to a quick reading.
Nice way to dodge and side step the point and flip the argument around. All the mean Sony money batting and being anti consumer with exclusives was more about envy / being upset it was not one side doing it (did not see you and others cheering when Sony was getting those exclusives as when other purchases were made
Good you got a “not a fanboy warrior” second console which you absolutely do not care if it wins or loses against XSX... uh uh... anyways, to the next honest pro-consumer fight in a mean SonyGAF world
Did you?
I'll tell you why you didn't see that. It's a stupid argument that only the most rabid and deluded of fanboys would try to float.
Who do you see floating it now?
The very fact that you refer to non-playstation people as 'the suckers' and talk about 'salty fanboy tears' says more about you than you probably wanted to broadcast. You're not quite as 'above the fray' as you like to pretend.
Kagey K
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Anytime anyone has to tell you they are above it, means they are right in the middle of it but want to convince you otherwise.
Don’t get suckered into that nonsense.
Kagey K
Banned
The other day I saw somebody say they were buying Playstation because when a Japanese game is announced they don’t have to look at platforms, it’s coming to Playstation.Want to play Starfield, the next Doom? Buy an Xbox or a PC.
Phil is just rubbing it in to pathetic port beggers from team blue.
Well the flip side of this is now whenever a Zenimax game is announced you don’t have to look at platforms, you know it’s coming to Xbox and PC.
On one hand, exclusivity hurts gamers in general but on the other, competition is beneficial to gamers. This will definitely force Sony to up their game in terms of acquisitions and first/second party titles. Microsoft would have been completely upended if they had not have purchased Zenimax this generation(I'm talking about Xbox here, not MS entirely) as their first party output was very unexciting.
If the Zenimax titles like Doom, Wolfenstein etc never come to PS5, it will be a shame for PS5 gamers(myself included) but this is really no different to Sony purchasing Insomniac, Naughty Dog etc. It's just on a larger scale. I expect Sony to counter this somehow. From Software or Capcom(if they are willing to sell) would be a wise investment.
If the Zenimax titles like Doom, Wolfenstein etc never come to PS5, it will be a shame for PS5 gamers(myself included) but this is really no different to Sony purchasing Insomniac, Naughty Dog etc. It's just on a larger scale. I expect Sony to counter this somehow. From Software or Capcom(if they are willing to sell) would be a wise investment.
Forsythia
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It's baffling people are portbegging MS. But Sony exclusives should stay on PlayStation at all costs, we have seen the meltdowns with Horizon Zero Dawn on PC, or worse, third party games like FF and DMC on Xbox. Nice double standard. And before anyone says it, Minecraft is an exception, not a rule.
eventualdecline
Neo Member
People like you seem to have a hard time comprehending that there’s a difference between a Halo or Forza game coming to Playstation, something that no one, anywhere, predicted, asked for, or expected to happen, and a game by Bethesda or ID coming to Playstation, who are established third party devs that Johnny-come-lately MS swooped in and snatched at the last minute. Halo and Forza were franchises that MS built from the ground up, even if they did acquire a relatively small Bungie, decades ago. Bethesda and ID were established third party developers with a host of multi-platform franchises that have been on every console under the sun, for decades.
You guys are also not factoring in that MS bought up all of these devs parent company in one fell swoop, rather than individually purchasing studios and then supporting those studios, the way virtually everyone else has always done this. MS swoops in desperately after forgetting about funding quality single player games for the past 10 years, and the Xbots see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Very strange behavior from Xbox fans. So it’s disingenuous and moronic to not recognize the difference between a PS5 owner expecting Halo on his shiny new system, and expecting Doom. It’s two completely different things, so stop being so obtuse about it. And buying up a shit ton of established third party devs in one fell swoop is not going to earn you any street cred. In fact, people will remember this and mock MS over their desperation and the circumstances that led them to do it, years from now. Bet on it.
Finally, what about Todd Howard’s statement right after the acquisition, about Bethesda still being an independent publisher and wanting to bring their games to everyone? Interesting timing for a statement like that, right? Funny, I don’t remember Bungie saying something like that right before Halo 2 launched in 2004.
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BootsLoader
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Well that makes sense. He paid da dollarz. He want the users.
Well that makes sense. He paid da dollarz. He want the users.
BootsLoader
Banned
Of course Sony exclusives must stay on PlayStation. Of course MS exclusives must stay on XBOX.
longdi
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Jim Ryan only on PS5...
Kagey K
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I can agree with this, he won’t be around for PS6. Let’s see how much damage he does in the meantime.
NoMoChokeSJ
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The more I think about it these games are all going to stay exclusive. If Phil wanted to reach out to a bigger platform, from purely a profitability perspective, they would offer existing xbox exclusives on other consoles. That isn't happening. While you did see this happen with Cuphead it was years after it released on the One
longdi
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Want to play Starfield, the next Doom? Buy an Xbox or a PC.
Phil is just rubbing it in to pathetic port beggers from team blue.
I am not saying Zenimax games should not be exclusives, you are reading off the wrong page of the script here, they bought the publisher and its Studios and those games are now and should be exclusives as that is how it works.
The fun bit is the usual speech against timed exclusives, full exclusives, making games available to all gamers being what gaming is about, and the rest of the stuff the hardcore fanbase used to chant back when they did not have all these studios backing them and the idea of content starving the other gamers was not something they could express realistic wet dreams on.
Now, the scenario has changed and the pro-all-consumers spiel charade has been dropped (the fringe of the fanbase are preceding their leader who is saying that but in a much softer leaving some [false] hope kind of way]) and replaced by the “suck it, buy an Xbox losers” victory lap
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Panajev2001a
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They know and they would be singing a different tune had Sony bought Zenimax... something something anti-consuner something
.Seeing then splitting hairs how times exclusives were and are bad but buying up a publisher and locking exclusivity forever ia totally a different thing
, now that is the funny joke.
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longdi
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I am not saying Zenimax games should not be exclusives, you are reading off the wrong page of the script here, they bought the publisher and its Studios and those games are now and should be exclusives as that is how it works.
The fun bit is the usual speech against timed exclusives, full exclusives, making games available to all gamers being what gaming is about, and the rest of the stuff the hardcore fanbase used to chant back when they did not have all these studios backing them and the idea of content starving the other gamers was not something they could express realistic wet dreams on.
Now, the Then has changed and the pro all consumers type spiel charade has been dropped for the “suck it, buy an Xbox losers” victory lap
Hey Panajev, what are your thoughts now that Sony reveal PS5 needs a 350W vs SeX 300W psu, despite the small die strategy? And look at 'dat PS5 volume!
Do you still think Amd next RX6700 gpu can higher than 2.2ghz core clocks on stock?
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longdi
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They know and they would be singing a different tune had Sony bought Zenimax... something something anti-consuner something
Seeing then splitting hairs how times exclusives were and are bad but buying up a publisher and locking exclusivity forever ia totally a different thing
Because GPU is great value vs 70-80 dollar a piece game...?
Like wtf is Jim thinking at ripping off his fellow Euros???
Arrogant and out of touch Jim confirmed.
Esteldan
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The only games that are coming to PS5 are ones that by consequences would improve the experience for Game Pass/Xbox customers.
Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online etc. benefit Xbox customer's as long as they're cross play and I imagine the only way Sony gets them is if they agree to it ,that way these games have more active player bases which benefit someone playing on a Microsoft platform.
Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online etc. benefit Xbox customer's as long as they're cross play and I imagine the only way Sony gets them is if they agree to it ,that way these games have more active player bases which benefit someone playing on a Microsoft platform.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Hey Panajev, what are your thoughts now that Sony reveal PS5 needs a 350W vs SeX 300W psu, despite the small die strategy? And look at 'dat PS5 volume!
Do you still think Amd next RX6700 gpu can higher than 2.2ghz core clocks on stock?
I did not see the official PSU details yet, care to link them?
Look at that volume?!? It is an ugly console, but after being joyous about volume when the XSX appeared to be the bigger of the two as that meant great cooling is that a negative or a case of Xbox exceptionalism
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Silent Viper
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I hope this will put end to all mental gymnastics by ponies and shill media lol
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
sure sure, whatever helps you sleep at night. Do not complain when the effect of “but we just thought we could have the same games we use to love at the same great quality and production values for a few dollars a month, it totally made sense” come crashing down and gaming landscape looks like the GaaS/MTX filled landscape you have on mobile or pricing looks like an American cable + internet monthly TV bill .Not denying that getting games for free sounds like a good short term deal for you and me, keyword is “short term”.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
People using the Minecraft example forget that Microsoft PR at that time was very clear that it would be multiplatform. Compare that with this
I agree with you that PS5 not getting Elder Scrolls, Doom Wolfenstein etc is a big deal, but let's see what MS do with the first Zenimax title released post-acquisition first. Most likely they will stay Xbox console exclusive but we have see Cuphead, Minecraft etc released on Playstation. They could release them a year or two on PS5 for all we know. Complete console exclusivity though would not surprise me either.
longdi
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I did not see the official PSU details yet, care to link them?
Look at that volume?!? It is an ugly console, but after being joyous about volume when the XSX appeared to be the bigger of the two as that meant great cooling is that a negative or a case of Xbox exceptionalism
PlayStation 5 launches in November, starting at $399 for PS5 Digital Edition and $499 for PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-Ray Disc Drive
New games announced at PS5 Showcase, including Final Fantasy XVI, Hogwarts Legacy, and a new God of War title
blog.playstation.com
It is over 350W Jim!
longdi
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Not denying that getting games for free sounds like a good short term deal for you and me, keyword is “short term”.
GPU is nothing more than games rental we had in the old days.
of course GPU is 'official' rentals vs buisness savy local shops.
GPU content will have the same quality, no fear.
MS will raise monthly sub prices few years down.
MS can eat the costs, just like how Google keeps selling experimental projects, or Netflix subs are still so cheap. Shareholders will pay for them!
Sony cannot compete in the future sadly.
Sony market cap 97B
MS market cap 1.5T
Sony stocks are down after Zenimax and Luna annoucements!
Personally i will dump my Sony stocks asap once it gets the PS5 sales bump. I have zero faith in Jim Ryan, he is outta his league.
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Kagey K
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PS5 preorders are already priced into Sony stocks, if they don’t exceed them the stock is going to take another hit.GPU is nothing more than games rental we had in the old days.
of course GPU is 'official' rentals vs buisness savy local shops.
GPU content will have the same quality, no fear.
MS will raise monthly sub prices few years down.
MS can eat the costs, just like how Google keeps selling experimental projects, or Netflix subs are still so cheap. Shareholders will pay for them!
Sony cannot compete in the future sadly.
Sony market cap 97B
MS market cap 1.5T
Sony stocks are down after Zenimax and Luna annoucements!
Personally i will dump my Sony stocks asap once it gets the PS5 sales bump. I have zero faith in Jim Ryan, he is outta his league.
Seems like if you aren’t holding long term you’d sell it now, based on hope instead of hanging on to it hoping for news.
sandkiller
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longdi
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It is a small 50 shares bet, hoping to add into my 3080 funding..
But i entered late, hoping for dat PS5 sales bump in covid lockdown.
But whacha know, Phil took out his big guns so early.
And Amazon wisely timed their Luna announcement along with next gen consoles.
And Jim fluffing his PR lines.
Kagey K
Banned
Sony was basically as high as it was going to get, even after the March dip and rebound. I can’t see a way they can breach thier all time high without completely rethinking their model.It is a small 50 shares bet, hoping to add into my 3080 funding..
But i entered late, hoping for dat PS5 sales bump in covid lockdown.
But whacha know, Phil took out his big guns so early.
And Amazon wisely timed their Luna announcement along with next gen consoles.
And Jim fluffing his PR lines.
PS4 was best case, everything after is going to seem lacklustre.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
PlayStation 5 launches in November, starting at $399 for PS5 Digital Edition and $499 for PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-Ray Disc Drive
New games announced at PS5 Showcase, including Final Fantasy XVI, Hogwarts Legacy, and a new God of War title
It is over 350W Jim!
Then they clearly played with voltage increases to get frequency gains over a certain threshold and shoots power up more than having additional transistors switching on and off at a lower speed (it is the voltage increasing to make it possible that drives the higher power peak). Then again we do not know how big and how many transistors is Sony using outside of the GPU and CPU portions of the chip... the I/O complex, Tempest Engines, etc...
Certainly a heavier console and one that needs to apparently allow for a higher Power consumption peak: we shall see on measured power when the consoles are out in the wild to see maximum vs power consumption. Still? There would be little credibility in criticising its volume and shape after defending the XSX size and shape on the “pragmatic choice for quiet and well power dissipating” consoles angle.
longdi
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Actually if you map out XsX physical dimension, it is very compact for its superior power.
Give it a try. 15x15x30, a classy act of symmetry too!
Goes to show there is no secret clocking sauce, no silly Librebrave magic talk.
Many of us got banned for calling out PS5 'variable' clocks, we shall see soon.
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BlueXImpulse
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You tried I guess. Starfield next year. Vs God of War 2, HFW and Demon’s Souls in the first year. Three potential GOTY vs one. There is no need for any PS5 player to be upset.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sure... take all the movies that do premiere on the big screen out of the equation and wait for a few more years to see the big profits they make (look at how Uber is popular they must be taking in tons of cash).
But sure “games will stay the same because shareholders will just love lower and lower profit margins”... this sounds, sorry, as deluded as Nintendo core fans were seemingly convinced that Switch physical games would be cheaper thanks to shipping and Nintendo passing savings onto people
.Normally the argument by Xbox core fans is that GamePass enhances sales and does not eat into them, you are the bold one seemingly saying that no it can do that and if all games were served on just GamePass you would have the cake and eat it too.. that is seriously strong and brave
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Kagey K
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No need to give me empathy, I sold and made money right before it dipped.Actually if you map out XsX physical dimension, it is very compact for its superior power.
Give it a try. 15x15x30, a classy act of symmetry too!
Goes to show there is no secret clocking sauce, no silly Librebrave magic talk.
Many of us got banned for calling out PS5 'variable' clocks, we shall see soon.
I’m good.
Kagey K
Banned
Jesus a remake and 2 cross gen games are the answer.
No wonder Sony doesn’t want to make BC better than they have to.
Amazing.
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