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Microsoft are going to announce The Acquisition of SEGA next Wednesday (Believe!)

ExpandKong

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injust dont see why they would go for sega. I mean i would LOVE to see Power Stone and Virtua Tennis again but i dont think theres much value there.

with that said, the Dreamcast is one of my all time favorite consoles

Would help Microsoft finally get some footing in Japan.

Maybe.

Probably not.
 

HarryKS

Member
You must think the world economy works on XIX century nationalistic ideals. It’s not like Sega is a strategic asset. What would Japan, revoke free market laws? Transform itself on an international pariah, like Cuba or North Corea. Please Sonygaf, at this point it starting to sound desperate.
There is, as of this moment, no free market.

The US blocks acquisition of US companies and even blocks foreign companies from operating in the US itself.
 
injust dont see why they would go for sega. I mean i would LOVE to see Power Stone and Virtua Tennis again but i dont think theres much value there.

with that said, the Dreamcast is one of my all time favorite consoles

Dreamcast was boss, even the built in online chat rooms had its “characters” shall we say!
 

ExpandKong

Banned
Yo, I think SEGA's gonna buy Microsoft today.

oh shit they pulled the ol'

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DaGwaphics

Member
Not sure why xbox fanboys want microsoft to buy everybody.

You' are still getting segas games regardless.

Well, we want them in GP at no extra cost, duh!

Personally, I think Sega has a lot of classic IPs that can be done well even at smaller budgets along with some heavy hitters (perfect for GP). They are one of my favorite game devs of all time. For those reasons, I would love to see them added to XGS. I just don't think people realize how expensive they'd be. The market cap on companies is generally the low-ball figure in something like this, a sale would probably go for 2 or 3 times that.
 

Saber

Gold Member
Yeah, with the old "I'm not a fanboy, but I love the meltdowns" ruse. So clever.

Which is quite sad really. I notice only a few happy because it could mean bring some of their IPs back. Thats an interesting attitude that I would totally support.

I'm quite happy the rumor doesn't turn out to be true because though. As a Sonic fan I'm totally not cool with a possibility of Sonic receiving the same treatment as Banjo and Conker.
 

LordCBH

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Which is quite sad really. I notice only a few happy because it could mean bring some of their IPs back. Thats an interesting attitude that I would totally support.

I'm quite happy the rumor doesn't turn out to be true because though. As a Sonic fan I'm totally not cool with a possibility of Sonic receiving the same treatment as Banjo and Conker.

Nuts n Bolts still fucking stings....all around terrible decision with that game.
 

jakinov

Member
It rarely happens where no one knows before the actual agreement, and certainly even more rare for an acquisition of this size. On top of that this would be an American company acquiring a Japanese company. Word would have absolutely gotten out well before the official announcement.
From what I've "seen". They generally announce the agreement ASAP. But I was saying the negotiations (before agreement to be acquired) can happen in private (like Linkedin and Red Hat) unless people are leaking things or they are being openly bided for (e.g. Fox).
 

lock2k

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Yeah, with the old "I'm not a fanboy, but I love the meltdowns" ruse. So clever.
Fanboys are either retarded, or poor, or both.

Some people like to play everything and think it's funny(and ridiculous) to see idiots treating companies as sports teams.

I engaged in fanboyism when I was in my early 20's - I thought nothing could beat Playstation. Damn, I was surely an idiot and I missed out on boatload of great games back then - even though I still think the PS2 is the best console ever due to its massive library.
 
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anaphase

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Why is that?

I don't agree but I get what Kokoloko85 is saying. It's kind of like the current GSW winning their first championship with a team they built through draft picks and developing players, vs the last two where they "bought" Kevin Durant to help out. Some people feel that it cheapens the victory.

Still, a win is a win and you can't take away those rings. So, if MS wins through purchasing studios, does it really matter?
 

BRZBlue

Member
I don't agree but I get what Kokoloko85 is saying. It's kind of like the current GSW winning their first championship with a team they built through draft picks and developing players, vs the last two where they "bought" Kevin Durant to help out. Some people feel that it cheapens the victory.

Still, a win is a win and you can't take away those rings. So, if MS wins through purchasing studios, does it really matter?

And if it doesn't work, well, that's some wasted money. If they squander talent, and promote bad management, they'll be back where they were before.
 

wolywood

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I don't agree but I get what Kokoloko85 is saying. It's kind of like the current GSW winning their first championship with a team they built through draft picks and developing players, vs the last two where they "bought" Kevin Durant to help out. Some people feel that it cheapens the victory.

Still, a win is a win and you can't take away those rings. So, if MS wins through purchasing studios, does it really matter?

As a Raptors fan I can say that our ring doesn't feel any less special because we got it by "buying" Kawhi for a year.
 

BRZBlue

Member
As a Raptors fan I can say that our ring doesn't feel any less special because we got it by "buying" Kawhi for a year.

I mean, we're assuming that MS is going to win everything when they haven't even really demonstrated the ability to "de-craig" Halo and 343i. Counting chicks and all.
 

anaphase

Member
It's a big IF.
They are buying players but it alone can't guarantee victory when their coach, training facilities and home stadium all have serious issues.

Absolutely. It remains to be seen, but they certainly are putting themselves in a good position to do so. Phil fixed a lot of wrong with Xbox, so if I was a betting man I'd say they'll win. Not win vs Sony, just win as a gaming company overall.

And if it doesn't work, well, that's some wasted money. If they squander talent, and promote bad management, they'll be back where they were before.

Potentially, and if they do at the very least they have all the tools they acquired to pick themselves back up.

As a Raptors fan I can say that our ring doesn't feel any less special because we got it by "buying" Kawhi for a year.

I totally agree, a win is a win 🤷‍♂️
 

BRZBlue

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Potentially, and if they do at the very least they have all the tools they acquired to pick themselves back up.

It depends. The developer talent isn't going to stick around if the studios are mismanaged. Knowing MS, they'd just abandon the IP's and look towards buying whatever is new and hot. It can work for a while, but then you just end up with a "decimated farm system".
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Why is that?

TBh they probably can but Anaphase got it right In what I meant.

And I think its harder than just buying studios. They have to make the most of it.

But Regardless of the outcome, MS has MS money, they can afford to put everything on gamepass, not make any profit (which they arent right now from gamepass) lose money And still buy more studios until Sony and Nintendo die... a victory is a victory but buying your way to victory doesn’t mean your better at making and releasing games/video game entertainment
 
Which is quite sad really. I notice only a few happy because it could mean bring some of their IPs back. Thats an interesting attitude that I would totally support.

I'm quite happy the rumor doesn't turn out to be true because though. As a Sonic fan I'm totally not cool with a possibility of Sonic receiving the same treatment as Banjo and Conker.

This gets said a lot but the truth is Rare were under a bit of a downward slope even before MS picked them up. Jet Force Gemini had some game design issues unbecoming of Rare's output at the time, and Conker wasn't as well-received as Banjo-Kazooie. Even Banjo-Tooie, which most liked a lot, was also acknowledged by them as just more of the same. And DK64 got the dubious title of bloatware by some reviewers at the time (even when you play it today you can clearly see areas where they just added stuff to pad the game size and length rather than it being genuine content). All of that happened while they were still under Nintendo.

The idea that they went to shit when MS purchased them is a bit hilarious considering MS also purchased Bungie at the same time or slightly before, and Bungie weren't affected at all. Same for other studios like Bizarre Creations. People just like to use the Rare example as cherry picking, and also seemingly ignore that even though Banjo-Kazooie kind of fell off, Nuts & Bolts still had its charm and the studio started recovering with the Viva Pinata series on 360 (let alone where they seem to be going now with SoT and Everwild, latter being genuinely intriguing for me).
 
injust dont see why they would go for sega. I mean i would LOVE to see Power Stone and Virtua Tennis again but i dont think theres much value there.

with that said, the Dreamcast is one of my all time favorite consoles

I still have my Dreamcast, and all of those amazing games. Love Powerstone and Virtua Tennis 4-player mode. The system still works after 20 years+. Now that's Japanese engineering of old, unlike the 4 pairs of my Nintendo Joycons that drift and drift.
 
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SafeOrAlone

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I would like to see Xbox take a hand in trying to make Sonic cool again. Mania was a great effort, but I want to see the brand evolve too. The movie has made the character as popular as ever, so there is a lot of opportunity.
 
Wow, I never knew that. Man, what could've been. And yeah, even though I am not really into sports games myself, I've been hearing that Sega really knocked it out of the park with their titles, so much so that EA basically fucked Sega over by not releasing their core sports titles on the Dreamcast, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, SEGA had to do without EA. Visual Concept belonged to SEGA at that time (sold to Take-Two in 2005). The NBA and NFL games were at the top and they had online. MS wanted online only for XBOX games. SEGA said no. So MS killed the DC emulation for XBOX.

But both compagnies had good relationship (Windows CE was on the DC... not that was great). That's why you keep hearing those rumors at the begining of every XBOX generations ever since then. The 2 together made sense in the early 2000 but now SEGA has Atlus and i don't see them getting full exclusive with one or another.
 

Saber

Gold Member
This gets said a lot but the truth is Rare were under a bit of a downward slope even before MS picked them up. Jet Force Gemini had some game design issues unbecoming of Rare's output at the time, and Conker wasn't as well-received as Banjo-Kazooie. Even Banjo-Tooie, which most liked a lot, was also acknowledged by them as just more of the same. And DK64 got the dubious title of bloatware by some reviewers at the time (even when you play it today you can clearly see areas where they just added stuff to pad the game size and length rather than it being genuine content). All of that happened while they were still under Nintendo.

The idea that they went to shit when MS purchased them is a bit hilarious considering MS also purchased Bungie at the same time or slightly before, and Bungie weren't affected at all. Same for other studios like Bizarre Creations. People just like to use the Rare example as cherry picking, and also seemingly ignore that even though Banjo-Kazooie kind of fell off, Nuts & Bolts still had its charm and the studio started recovering with the Viva Pinata series on 360 (let alone where they seem to be going now with SoT and Everwild, latter being genuinely intriguing for me).

Its by their own hands that Banjo and Conker are forgotten and still aren't seeing the light of receiving their own games.
Sorry but I don't buy that idea at all. The fact that Rare wasn't much of a deal before don't justify them letting those franchises die. To believe in that its a very silly take.
 
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BRZBlue

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But Regardless of the outcome, MS has MS money, they can afford to put everything on gamepass, not make any profit (which they arent right now from gamepass) lose money And still buy more studios until Sony and Nintendo die... a victory is a victory but buying your way to victory doesn’t mean your better at making and releasing games/video game entertainment

No, they don't. The shareholders are gonna look at something like this with no ROI and basically kick execs to the curb. People act like MS can do whatever it wants with no repercussions, when the shareholders are the ones that MS has to answer to. The same shareholders who have wanted the Xbox Division sold off for over a decade for being a loss leader and eating into MS profits. If MS doesn't make a profit, or can't spin things into making a profit with this venture, expect to see MS and the Xbox division under new management.

They can take a short term loss on GamePass if it ends up making money in the long term. If it doesn't, or if GamePass gets cannibalized by the different publishers making it unsustainable, then expect things to turn very quickly.
 

Kokoloko85

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No, they don't. The shareholders are gonna look at something like this with no ROI and basically kick execs to the curb. People act like MS can do whatever it wants with no repercussions, when the shareholders are the ones that MS has to answer to. The same shareholders who have wanted the Xbox Division sold off for over a decade for being a loss leader and eating into MS profits. If MS doesn't make a profit, or can't spin things into making a profit with this venture, expect to see MS and the Xbox division under new management.

They can take a short term loss on GamePass if it ends up making money in the long term. If it doesn't, or if GamePass gets cannibalized by the different publishers making it unsustainable, then expect things to turn very quickly.

Thats True and what alot of people were saying at the start of the Xbox 1 Launch.I understand Shareholders will look for what makes the most profit with the least investment. And the Xbox division doesn’t give as much as its other departments I dont think.

But after I saw them buy a company for 7.5b and more to come I dont think they care how much they lose for now. They dont want to lose.

Personally I don’t think gamepass will be enough to support tites From ID, Bethesda, Machinegames and there other 20 plus studios.
They already said Gamepass doesn’t make them profit so I dont want these studios having to lower the quality because gamepass funds are not enough for there big budget games. But then again, MS can afford like Like a zillion dollars to keep it all going
 

BRZBlue

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Thats True and what alot of people were saying at the start of the Xbox 1 Launch.I understand Shareholders will look for what makes the most profit with the least investment. And the Xbox division doesn’t give as much as its other departments I dont think.

But after I saw them buy a company for 7.5b and more to come I dont think they care how much they lose for now. They dont want to lose.

Personally I don’t think gamepass will be enough to support tites From ID, Bethesda, Machinegames and there other 20 plus studios.
They already said Gamepass doesn’t make them profit so I dont want these studios having to lower the quality because gamepass funds are not enough for there big budget games. But then again, MS can afford like Like a zillion dollars to keep it all going

They bought Skype for 8.5 Billion and basically ran it into the ground. They bought Nokia for 7 and pretty much abandoned it. Its not whether they "want" to lose or not, its whether its going to make money, and if it can survive them running it, usually horribly.
 

Kokoloko85

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They bought Skype for 8.5 Billion and basically ran it into the ground. They bought Nokia for 7 and pretty much abandoned it. Its not whether they "want" to lose or not, its whether its going to make money, and if it can survive them running it, usually horribly.

I forgot about those purchases, there not the best at running things I guess lol.
The reason I moved away from windows and havent regretted it
 

KingT731

Member
They bought Skype for 8.5 Billion and basically ran it into the ground. They bought Nokia for 7 and pretty much abandoned it. Its not whether they "want" to lose or not, its whether its going to make money, and if it can survive them running it, usually horribly.
YEah sometimes it isn't necessarily for the product. They purchased Nokia for patents for example.
 
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