HeisenbergFX4
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Its a crazy year plus we have 2 months before launch people can't act all surprised going into this show it went like this.
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Its a crazy year plus we have 2 months before launch people can't act all surprised going into this show it went like this.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Agreed, I'm not so keen on cross gen games BUT, if those cross gen games look like Horizon and Spiderman I'm OK with it especially if it allows games to come out fast enough.
I mean I was against it when MS revealed Halo mostly because it looked awful, now I'll revise my judgement and it's probably just a 343 fuck up.
Because frankly a good example is better than a promise.And graphically Spiderman and Horizon are quite the looker.
It was a pretty good conf I'd rate it at 7/10 just a screen or an artwork of God Of War Ragnarok would've put it at 8/10.
I do think they will take advantage of the SSD for loading clearly and if I understood some features won't be available on ps4 (I heard flying mounts wouldn't be in Horizon 2 ps4 version), that could be a way to mitigate the current gen holding back.
And I'll finish by simply saying that if Horizon and Spiderman are examples of titles being held back by the Ps4 then, Oh Boy, ps5 only games will be mindblowing.
sircaw
Banned
From my perspective here.
A few months ago I was very interested in the lockheart, not for game pass though, i really dont like game pass. I will say in all honestly the ps5 diskless coming in at £350 vs £250 is a no brainer.
You are basically getting a fully-fledged top of the line console just without the disk player. everything is exactly the same as the premier model. That xbox one is 100 bucks cheaper but oh gosh the cuts compared to the premier xbox are massive. I honestly think its overpriced for what it is, they might have to drop it by 50 bucks.
in many ways, i wish xbox did what sony did and came in at £350 without he disk, but i am getting ridiculous now.
Both Microsoft and sony have done a wonderful thing with their pricing this generation. the tech is breathtaking, we should all thank our lucky stars for competition.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Ok, 2 cents time. As I'm a bit late, I will likely repeat shit already said but that's pretty much the whole thread so yeah.
-Overall good conference, standard Sony's style: no talk, trailer after trailer, see you next time.
-Don't give a shit about Spider-Man but looks like a good game.
-Demon's platform reveal was a stupid mess that really shows how big companies are in a problematic situation regarding their ability to communicate for one reason or another. However, the remake seems pretty good, aside from visuals, animations are leaps and bounds better. That transition from one Stone to the other was pure porn.
-GoW2 2021 nice.
-FFXVI seems to have a far better development team, but ain't falling for Square, sorry.
-PS Plus collection is an interesting and unexpected move, it is worth even only for Days Gone on my side. I'm curious to see how they will support the service along with PS Now, as they are becoming kind of similar.
-Ok, elephant in the room: Horizon 2 crossgen.
I will not make it seems like it's the same just because it's Sony, while I wasn't fond of MS choice either. So no, not happy.
I had a discussion this morning which led me to think we wouldn't have Horizon 2 this soon if wasn't for PS4 installed base support, which could be seen as a good thing. However, I would be fine in waiting, so it's kind of a 50/50. If they take Horizon and refine it in all aspects, you will have a potential masterpiece, period, but the PS5 wont be completely supported at this point I suppose.
Again, another Sony problem with communication: they should have said 3 month ago that Horizon was crossgen, everyone was thinking it was next gen. They need to get their shit togheter and be clear from the start.
-Finally, 399/499 bomb. The DE version really puts MS in a tight place I think, with 100 more you get a much more powerful machine with better compatibility with current gen games (boost mode and not Xbox One S mode) and bigger SSD memory for games. Ain't need to explain further, right?
Edit: and Cyberpunk looks as good as it can be imho, not expecting the cinematic level of Spider-Man in immersive sim games, even big budget ones.
-Overall good conference, standard Sony's style: no talk, trailer after trailer, see you next time.
-Don't give a shit about Spider-Man but looks like a good game.
-Demon's platform reveal was a stupid mess that really shows how big companies are in a problematic situation regarding their ability to communicate for one reason or another. However, the remake seems pretty good, aside from visuals, animations are leaps and bounds better. That transition from one Stone to the other was pure porn.
-GoW2 2021 nice.
-FFXVI seems to have a far better development team, but ain't falling for Square, sorry.
-PS Plus collection is an interesting and unexpected move, it is worth even only for Days Gone on my side. I'm curious to see how they will support the service along with PS Now, as they are becoming kind of similar.
-Ok, elephant in the room: Horizon 2 crossgen.
I will not make it seems like it's the same just because it's Sony, while I wasn't fond of MS choice either. So no, not happy.
I had a discussion this morning which led me to think we wouldn't have Horizon 2 this soon if wasn't for PS4 installed base support, which could be seen as a good thing. However, I would be fine in waiting, so it's kind of a 50/50. If they take Horizon and refine it in all aspects, you will have a potential masterpiece, period, but the PS5 wont be completely supported at this point I suppose.
Again, another Sony problem with communication: they should have said 3 month ago that Horizon was crossgen, everyone was thinking it was next gen. They need to get their shit togheter and be clear from the start.
-Finally, 399/499 bomb. The DE version really puts MS in a tight place I think, with 100 more you get a much more powerful machine with better compatibility with current gen games (boost mode and not Xbox One S mode) and bigger SSD memory for games. Ain't need to explain further, right?
Edit: and Cyberpunk looks as good as it can be imho, not expecting the cinematic level of Spider-Man in immersive sim games, even big budget ones.
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Mr Moose
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I got the headset, can use my TV remote as a blu-ray controller so don't need that, might pick up the webcam.
Neo Blaster
Member
Considering PS4 debuted at a 10x factor from dollar price(R$ 4000, they called the console PS4K), they getting the same 10x factor for PS5(ok, it's PS5K againAnyone from Brazil?
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Price here is not bad at all here. Really tempeted. Discless version with no warrantly, but fuck It, I trust Cerny Magic cooling system.
) while exchange rate is more than double is really impressive. They caught gray market with their paints down.
DaGwaphics
Member
Impossible. You can not build for the higher spec system and port down. Many "experts" have repeated this mantra to Infinium, it must be true.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Great you got yours in the end. Where did you buy from?
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
You are partially correct.
Sure there are tons of people who Just want to spend all their free time playing the likes of cod and fifa and are looking to get a cheap box for that, and the XSS serves that really well.
But what you are missing is that regardless of How much disinformed they are about the gaming market, I can guarantee to you that the vast majority of them know at this stage that theres a Spiderman game comming (super, ultra popular character) and that the market campaign behind the game is all about PS5. That IS the moment that exclusives make a difference, because no matter the fact these people spend their whole time playing the usual same multiplatform games, they STILL want that great extra content (a popular exclusive titles such as Spiderman), and that IS enough to make many of them rethink their purchases plan and condider getting extra 100 dollars for a ps5.
For that reason, Im not so sure the XSS Will do so well for the more "casual" type of gamer who Just want to play cod and fifa. It can only do well for mommies giving their kids the cheapest console for Christmas because they cant spend much.
Mr Moose
Member
Amazon UK, 5 seconds after it showed up lol refreshed every few seconds after 9AM.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I too remember him being chased off of GAF, never to return after getting dunked on for spreading FUD back in 2013/14.
Shall we dig up his glorious tail between his legs posts?
Now we know where the oVeRcLoCk comes from (he does hang out in that Discord), the same boost style PCs have been doing and measuring their cards and CPUs from Intel to AMD and nVidia for years and years now. But now it's an oVeRcLoCk ... why? Cause one side is marketing a certain way.
Such juvenile shit.
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kyliethicc
Member
The PS5 has a total power supply of 350 W. Xbox Series X is 315 W. Their actual power draw will be below 200 W each.I think that's just the rating not what it will do (probably).
Where does the Series X wattage come from?
Xbox Series X rewrites the rules of console design - and the power level should be extraordinary
The rules are changing, the nature of console design is radically evolving, the presumptions we have about the core des…www.eurogamer.net
This?
Compare that to PCs that have power supplies at 650 W or 750 W. The new RTX 3080 GPU draws like 350 W alone when used, let alone the rest of the PC parts.
particleparade
Neo Member
I can’t be surprised when they specified a scenario they wouldn’t do, then did exactly that? I wouldn’t have been surprised or aggravated, had they not made it seem like we would get plenty of heads up and even had us register. Not everyone can sit at a computer hitting F5.
Edit: it’s just really frustrating as I’ve been looking forward to this. Oh well. Do you think there will be another shot at a preorder?
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kyliethicc
Member
Its true. If its on PS4 and PS5, like HFW, its just a PS4 game. Same with Halo, CyberPunk, Miles, etc.
Doesn't mean the game is bad, could still be fun. Just not next gen in game design really.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
No I get it people being upset.
Have had a couple of buddies text me this morning asking how its all sold out when it was supposed to start today. Most people have stuff to do and cant sit and wait like you said.
Mr Moose
Member
They INVENTED DirectX, do you really think they'd give Sony 30+% advantage? Sony always lie about their power!
Empire Strikes Back
Member
I mean, the only purpose of flying mounts could be fast traversal and I see no problem with that being a PS5 exclusive feature. Same for Miles speed... The problem lies in they wanting parity.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
True.Sorry rush job.
Don't ban me!
Horizon is so far beyond Halo Infinite that they are literally generations apart despite being both crossgen titles. Visual side I have little doubts that Horizon on PS5 will be a bechmark. Guerrilla can't fail.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
This was awesome.
Saw it this morning after we went to bed around 1:00 am and laughed and scared the wife and she gives me that look asking "Whats wrong with you? I am trying to sleep"
DaGwaphics
Member
There really are not such great distinctions between generations outside of maybe near the very end of generations. If a game is fun and has all the next-gen bells and whistles graphically, I don't see an issue with it.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
You would need more resources to make two different versions anyway. And btw it's not THAT easy. If I can fly in one version and not in the other, you still need to design enemies as able to attack me while I'm flying, design high entrance in places, specific reward, design the map in a way I can't break it by flying, even if on PS4 I will walk all the time on that very same map and do not notice a difference.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
My 2 cents I dont mind cross gen games at all.
Just give me a day 1 killer next gen patch.
Dont make me wait until later and dont give me a Craig type of next gen experience.
Will see how this pans out.
Just give me a day 1 killer next gen patch.
Dont make me wait until later and dont give me a Craig type of next gen experience.
Will see how this pans out.
LiquidRex
Member
True... however it won't be designed with only the PS5 in mind.... There's more to the PS5 IO than faster loading.
I had hoped HFW would be build from the ground up for the PS5 only... Its looking like to get a true next generation experience with the PS5 we'll be waiting till the very end of 2021 to 2022...
Is this why UE5 isn't an available development tool until late 2021.
By-mission
Member
OK, let's go:
Will Spyderman MM and Horizon FW be retained with PS4 versions?
Of course yes.
The Jaguar CPU on PS4, and literally the biggest problem here. Maybe someone has already noticed, but 2 cores of the PS5 CPU yield more than all 8 cores of the PS4, not to mention the extra earnings from the architecture.
So what are we getting?
PS4 assets..
Well the fact is, a PS4 version has to work on PS4. So you simply cannot cut the CPU, geometry and design have to be the same in both versions or they are not the same game, so starting from that is already a problem:
Insominiac (and no details have yet been given) using 1080p30fps PS4 as the base version of Spyderman (MM) 4k60fps is more than mandatory in the PS5 version as we are seeing a difference of almost 10 times of raw power. (Not counting the optimizations architecture).
Even the poor SSD is underutilized here as the game has to run on the HD 5400rpm. Literally begins PS5 with 4 flat tires.
And if Halo's criticism was about an Xbox One version delaying the new generation, here Sony stuck in the puddle ...
Horizon FW apparently will suffer literally double, while Insominiac has two titles and the Guerrilla has focused on this game since 2018 (this would be Sony's Halo) the most important game on PS5, downgraded to crossgen ... the scale of the map, drawing distance, the game's own mechanics and interaction with the world, geometry and of course RAM will literally be for other games ...
Taking advantage of God of War Ragnarok will have a PS4 version?
I don't think so, because they didn't say anything about Rachet and Clank so it's 80% exclusive to PS5 (but of course if you told me Horizon FW has a PS4 version, I would also doubt it and accuse you of FUD) .
Will Spyderman MM and Horizon FW be retained with PS4 versions?
Of course yes.
The Jaguar CPU on PS4, and literally the biggest problem here. Maybe someone has already noticed, but 2 cores of the PS5 CPU yield more than all 8 cores of the PS4, not to mention the extra earnings from the architecture.
So what are we getting?
PS4 assets..
Well the fact is, a PS4 version has to work on PS4. So you simply cannot cut the CPU, geometry and design have to be the same in both versions or they are not the same game, so starting from that is already a problem:
Insominiac (and no details have yet been given) using 1080p30fps PS4 as the base version of Spyderman (MM) 4k60fps is more than mandatory in the PS5 version as we are seeing a difference of almost 10 times of raw power. (Not counting the optimizations architecture).
Even the poor SSD is underutilized here as the game has to run on the HD 5400rpm. Literally begins PS5 with 4 flat tires.
And if Halo's criticism was about an Xbox One version delaying the new generation, here Sony stuck in the puddle ...
Horizon FW apparently will suffer literally double, while Insominiac has two titles and the Guerrilla has focused on this game since 2018 (this would be Sony's Halo) the most important game on PS5, downgraded to crossgen ... the scale of the map, drawing distance, the game's own mechanics and interaction with the world, geometry and of course RAM will literally be for other games ...
Taking advantage of God of War Ragnarok will have a PS4 version?
I don't think so, because they didn't say anything about Rachet and Clank so it's 80% exclusive to PS5 (but of course if you told me Horizon FW has a PS4 version, I would also doubt it and accuse you of FUD) .
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sircaw
Banned
They also used the 6inch one on a total noob for maximum effect.
The one-inch one was used on a hardened veteran that would not be swayed by a quick cheap shot, yes he was braced for impact.
Swop the rolls and you would probably still have the same effect.
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
Considering PS4 debuted at a 10x factor from dollar price(R$ 4000, they called the console PS4K), they getting the same 10x factor for PS5(ok, it's PS5K again
Yeah
I think we all expected the official prices to be much worse. And knowing How the Brazilian mind Works, Id bet tons of people are "happy" now willing to pay for that bc they expected for 6000 reais and beyond.
Gray market Will not have much space to cut from the original price otherwise they wont make mucb money. They Will sell at slightly cheaper price, and people Will preffer getting it on Amazon, submarino, americanas, casas Bahia etc.
Maybe once they realize people all are buying ps5 from big outlets, they Will be forced to do anything to offer a real better price.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
At this point I just hope it will be a better game all around without thinking to crazy features.True... however it won't be designed with only the PS5 in mind.... There's more to the PS5 IO than faster loading.
I had hoped HFW would be build from the ground up for the PS5 only... Its looking like to get a true next generation experience with the PS5 we'll be waiting till the very end of 2021 to 2022...
Is this why UE5 isn't an available development tool until late 2021.
user1337
Member
user1337
Member
sorry mate, had to change the image lol...
but yes, I agree with your comment.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It will probably be like they did with the Vita collection when it launched. The group of games will be there under a tab for probably a year or before they remove them.
Killer Sakoman
Member
They should have made a cross gen Killzone and left Horizon for later to be true next gen. They really fucked it up. The expectation are already high for the sequal. The needed to lock it to next gen to exceed the crazy expectation and high bar of the first game.
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Well_Of_Souls
Member
Pre-orders haven't gone up for TheGameCollection or Base.com yet, and pre-orders at Argos go live tomorrow. There is still hope!
Dibils2k
Member
literally makes me sad that people think the problem with crossgen games is that it would be effected graphically... confirmation of crossgen is that the game will play exactly the same as last gen, meaning nothing unique or special, same AI, same physics, same world, same cut corners...
graphics is the last thing that suffers from crossgen
I am really sad Horizon 2 is not next gen only, it has for sure dropped my excitement a level. now next hope for true next gen game is God Of War Ragnarok
graphics is the last thing that suffers from crossgen
I am really sad Horizon 2 is not next gen only, it has for sure dropped my excitement a level. now next hope for true next gen game is God Of War Ragnarok
xacto
Member
It will still be fine, since cross-gen Sony titles look better than next-gen only Xbox games.
By-mission
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PS5 is a surefire hit, but Sony's broken promises are eroding trust
The game's up.
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That's is a point.
The game's up.
PS5 is a surefire hit, but Sony's broken promises are eroding trust
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That's is a point.
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user1337
Member
Game collection is sold out last aI checked? Base and Argos are my last hope before I just accept my fate and wait it out.
Killer Sakoman
Member
icerock
Member
Erm, the core game design will be tied to Jaguar CPU, and a slow HDD. But, we've already seen benefits of an SSD in both Miles Morales, and Horizon. The stuff you are talking about, scale of the map, draw distance, the foliage, the density is far far higher on PS5. It's what fooled many into thinking they were straight up next-gen games in the first place. So, I disagree that it's not being utilized at all, just nowhere near what it is capable of. And all the gains from PS4 to PS5 will be visually, which is a massive bummer.
With how disingenuous Sony have been, some skepticism is justified. However, if you go by the blog post yesterday, they confirmed PS4 version of Sackboy and Horizon, which weren't on the Showcase. So, IF you take their words at face value, those 3 cross-gen games are all they have. And, the likes of GT7, Returnal, GoW II etc. are PS5 only.
The discussion will go south pretty quick, if we started adding qualifiers in front of every announced PS5 exclusive. Let's discuss them as more information filters in. I personally believe, Sackboy, Horizon and Miles are cross-gen because their development started on PS4. Majority of game has already been built upon a PS4 for them to scrap the concept and build for new machine.
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VanSiriusGabriel
Member
I totally get that this is an industry, but if the team really isn't feeling of making a new Killzone it's still a creative work and you cannot force it and expect good results. It's risky to do such a move when you want to sell your products as masterpieces, more than the crossgen thing.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Gotta respect the grit, the determination, the sheer energy it takes to be such a fucking xbox fanboy.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Ok I'm gonna be real here, All I got from that was FFXVI and GOW Ragnarok teaser
Kinda disappointing...
I think if it's wasn't a launch game or a new announcement then it shouldn't have been shown
There was a lot of wasted screen time on stuff we already seen and ain't releasing this year.
Kinda disappointing...
I think if it's wasn't a launch game or a new announcement then it shouldn't have been shown
There was a lot of wasted screen time on stuff we already seen and ain't releasing this year.
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zaitsu
Banned
I think that horizon is coming early in 2021 and GOW late, can be even delayed to early 2022. There is one year gap in development between them.
I hope that Horizon is last game supporting PS4,...
Thedtrain
Member
Damn. I thought the trailer was pretty excellent live, I didn’t look close enough to see what you’re pointing out.OK, let's go:
Will Spyderman MM and Horizon FW be retained with PS4 versions?
Of course yes.
The Jaguar CPU on PS4, and literally the biggest problem here. Maybe someone has already noticed, but 2 cores of the PS5 CPU yield more than all 8 cores of the PS4, not to mention the extra earnings from the architecture.
So what are we getting?
PS4 assets..
Well the fact is, a PS4 version has to work on PS4. So you simply cannot cut the CPU, geometry and design have to be the same in both versions or they are not the same game, so starting from that is already a problem:
Insominiac (and no details have yet been given) using 1080p30fps PS4 as the base version of Spyderman (MM) 4k60fps is more than mandatory in the PS5 version as we are seeing a difference of almost 10 times of raw power. (Not counting the optimizations architecture).
Even the poor SSD is underutilized here as the game has to run on the HD 5400rpm. Literally begins PS5 with 4 flat tires.
And if Halo's criticism was about an Xbox One version delaying the new generation, here Sony stuck in the puddle ...
Horizon FW apparently will suffer literally double, while Insominiac has two titles and the Guerrilla has focused on this game since 2018 (this would be Sony's Halo) the most important game on PS5, downgraded to crossgen ... the scale of the map, drawing distance, the game's own mechanics and interaction with the world, geometry and of course RAM will literally be for other games ...
Taking advantage of God of War Ragnarok will have a PS4 version?
I don't think so, because they didn't say anything about Rachet and Clank so it's 80% exclusive to PS5 (but of course if you told me Horizon FW has a PS4 version, I would also doubt it and accuse you of FUD) .
Pretty disappointing tbh
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The "old guard" style of the company's culture runs deep, is all.
xacto
Member
Or the sheer stupidity.
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