Lestat Phoenix
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I would like to take you to a party and just see how much you livin that place up. Cause I'm getting a good vibe from you ol friend.
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Next Gen Delayed By Price Wars Not Covid-19
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Lestat Phoenix
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They def win in money. If that's your thing.MISTER INVEIGLER Thank you captain obvious.
MS ain't winning shit either. Get your head out of the sand.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Launch isn't going to make or break either console. MS has been putting out a steady stream of info and Sony has started to pick back up again with some new videos. My guess is they are going to be supply constrained and they are trying to figure out how to campaign a launch in a CoVid world. Long lines and big crowds at stores are probably not the publicity they want.
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MasterCornholio
Member
I'll bring the PS5.
LittleBusters
Banned
I don't get why Sony even think MS is a valid competitor, considering how they've crushed them in all but 1 generation so far. I think they're trolling at this point.
Fnord
Member
Does when the price is announced really matter all that much? Early adopters are going to buy (or not buy) when they hit store shelves, regardless. If those early adopters have stashed away more money than they cost, they'll have extra cash for other things. If they have stashed away less, they'll have to wait a bit. I don't see the big deal. If they had announced the price a year ago, it wouldn't have changed things in any substantive way.
Nope, what should they announce? They showed what games will exactly look like on it. They showed the features of the new controller. They showed both of their consoles. What do you want them to show other than the price/release? There is no real pressure on them at all from a marketing perspective. Most people seem happy with what they've seen so far.
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Phunkydiabetic
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But if this "chicken game" is true it will only benefit the consumer. Let them fight over the lowest price point, it only means a cheaper console for us.
Lestat Phoenix
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lol I knew you were one of a kind, think ill start calling you..Friend
MasterCornholio
Member
Can I bring my friend Craig?
Dthomp
Member
Was talking with my wife about next gen last night, and we can't recall a launch ever that we are this close to that we have so little information. 2 months out and we have 1) No release date 2) No Price Point 3) No confirmation of Launch titles 4) No confirmation of game prices/controllers etc.
This is ridiculous, Sony trying to get you to sign up for the chance to maybe preorder something that you know nothing about. I have every intention of buying a console, but this has gotten dumb IMO. If you're product will be legit, name your price and we'll buy it. I will buy a PS5, if you're 100 bucks more then an XBS? I'll still buy it cause M$ doesn't give me the games you do, and I can just play those on PC. I'd argue that the route M$ has been taking with their company and trying to be a service more then a console, they aren't really even competing anymore in the traditional sense with Sony. Your household can play everything owning a Playstation and a PC, no need for this game of chicken anymore.
There will not be enough units we all know that. We know the more value of a pre order the more scalpers. Sony is raising the value of pre orders by waiting and make this a 1 shot deal. You miss the first minute of pre orders your at the mercy of scalpers and retailers "bundles" at big mark up. There will be no round 2 of pre orders being so close to launch. Being close to the holidays you get more people in the pre order queue roulette. It might be good for Sony and scalpers but bad for many loyal fans who will get the shaft from this last second pre order crap.Don't see how them announcing the price will stop scalpers
Scalpers will only be a problem if their isn't enough units to sell out the gate
FunkMiller
Member
Good grief. Of course covid has had an impact. It’s a global pandemic that’s caused major organisations and infrastructure to slow almost to a halt in some cases. Both consoles would have been priced long ago in a normal year 
Michael Hawk
Member
It could be price-related, but at this point, I don't think price is the reason they're being oddly quiet leading up to launch. If the PS5 is $700 and the XSX is $600, delaying the announcement of those prices isn't going to benefit either company. Customers won't like either price whether they're announced today or 24 hours before launch -- and I think both Sony and Microsoft are well aware of that.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the reason we're not hearing more launch details is because the games aren't there yet. It's not impossible to sell a console with only 7 or 8 games available at launch, however, having such a small amount of software is a bigass problem from a marketing standpoint. Especially if half of those games are going to be available and cost less on PS4/One. Why would people spend >$500 to play games when they can spend $60 to play those exact same games?
On top of software just not being ready, I think the games that are ready are not next-gen enough for either company. I'm sure COD, AssCreed, and the annual sports games will play fine, but let's be honest; people want next-gen to look like a class above current-gen. If the 'big' games available at launch just look slightly sharper than current-gen games, that's a big problem; especially since all of those big third-party games will be available on current hardware.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the reason we're not hearing more launch details is because the games aren't there yet. It's not impossible to sell a console with only 7 or 8 games available at launch, however, having such a small amount of software is a bigass problem from a marketing standpoint. Especially if half of those games are going to be available and cost less on PS4/One. Why would people spend >$500 to play games when they can spend $60 to play those exact same games?
On top of software just not being ready, I think the games that are ready are not next-gen enough for either company. I'm sure COD, AssCreed, and the annual sports games will play fine, but let's be honest; people want next-gen to look like a class above current-gen. If the 'big' games available at launch just look slightly sharper than current-gen games, that's a big problem; especially since all of those big third-party games will be available on current hardware.
That is why I said in another thread Andrew House did it right. He was like here is the ps4 it is kick go buy it. No shadow games no messing around just here it is see how awesome it is go buy it for 399.99. Revealed in February price and pre orders in June so if someone missed they had a second chance at one. His guys loved games unlike the suits who took over a juggernaut.
Slings and Arrows
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Looking at it from a manufacturing point of view, Sony will get a better price for their GPUs from AMD.
Why?
Economy of scale.
Sony sold 120 million of their console this gen. MS sold 50 million. Based on that, Sony can force a better deal from AMD vs Microsoft.
Why?
Economy of scale.
Sony sold 120 million of their console this gen. MS sold 50 million. Based on that, Sony can force a better deal from AMD vs Microsoft.
NoMoChokeSJ
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I'm sure a couple lines of code buried in Windows could cause AMD a lot of grief on a much larger scale, lol. I also imagine MS relationship with AMD goes well beyond xbox.
Raonak
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PS5 is gonna succeed no matter what. It's got a history of making a great platform. I don't really understand the marketing for PS5, but it's working. Hype is at astronomical levels even without knowing anything.
MS is the underdog so they have to try harder to convince people to pick up the XSX instead of the PS5. And frankly they've done a terrible job at that.
MS is the underdog so they have to try harder to convince people to pick up the XSX instead of the PS5. And frankly they've done a terrible job at that.
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You can secure a pre order jesus people is it that hard to understand. Every day it is delayed is more competition for pre orders. I swear this must be the first hardware launch for some of you. Price = pre orders that means securing a system. This is not a phone launch with a more supply than demand on the Sony side.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Dude it really does not matter when the price is announced and the pre-ordered start, the scalpers will jump on this either way. I have enough funds to buy this even with a mark-up or bundle so I am not worried at all and a lot of other early adopters feel the same way because they expect this.
Limited units and scalpers are always a problem at every console launch.
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Bkdk
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the original price They decided must be around 600 or more, after the pandemic they want to wait and see how Economic recovery Is doing, They do have backup plan now to just release games on PC if the pricing they wanted was 700, nvidia just crushed their dreams, probably they should just give up then. Only the fanatics of console gaming would buy a 700 dollars console.
PaintTinJr
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Given that Microsoft and Nvidia collaborated on the directstorage RTX IO solution to work with the RTX series graphics cards, and the cards most likely to be compared by value to an XsX are the RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 - costing between $499 and $699. So, even if the RTX IO card is cheap, it will still be another $150 if provided with the cheapest 500GB SSD they can add. So I would say the XsX is competing to undercut a $650 RTX 3070 solution that probably has a 50% performance advantage over the XsX until software matures on XsX.
From that info, I suspect Microsoft want to charge $549 or higher - which I think is their break even point - but are maybe willing to eat upto $150 dollars a unit - hence the smaller production to minimise loss leading losses - and ideally want to be able to charge $399 for the S model with a bundled controller - but are willing to charge $250 without bundling a controller.
From that info, I suspect Microsoft want to charge $549 or higher - which I think is their break even point - but are maybe willing to eat upto $150 dollars a unit - hence the smaller production to minimise loss leading losses - and ideally want to be able to charge $399 for the S model with a bundled controller - but are willing to charge $250 without bundling a controller.
KiNeMz
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I'm 41 years old. Definitely my first launch.
You will be playing on your shiny new console of choice when it matters most.
Orta
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Price shouldn't matter since PS5 is in a class of its own.
You don't know that. It could be a pile of shit.....
Well according to those paid Microsoft shills at Digital Foundry...
They mention PS5 will have exclusives that won't be on PC, but if you're patient...
Sony says expect more of its first-party PlayStation games on PC
Sony has said it'll continue to release first-party PlayStation games on PC.In its 2020 corporate report, Sony talked a…
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decisions
Member
Sony was very smart to keep exclusive games a priority for their console. The thing about the future possibly being the Cloud in the next 10 years is that Sony has a cloud service they are working on too, it's not like they put all their eggs in one basket.
I think there are compelling reasons to own a PS5 or Switch, but I really don't understand who the XSX is for.
I think there are compelling reasons to own a PS5 or Switch, but I really don't understand who the XSX is for.
hemo memo
Gold Member
The new shiny console that plays Gamepass games better.
Stryda
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Sony only has to announce the date. The price or games won’t make much difference.
They got this on lockdown. They’ve been more realistic with their specs while MS has made the same mistake they have every gen and tried to overpack with the tech Which will put them in a bind price wise.
They got this on lockdown. They’ve been more realistic with their specs while MS has made the same mistake they have every gen and tried to overpack with the tech Which will put them in a bind price wise.
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mckmas8808
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Well according to those paid Microsoft shills at Digital Foundry...
They mention PS5 will have exclusives that won't be on PC, but if you're patient...
Sony says expect more of its first-party PlayStation games on PC
Sony has said it'll continue to release first-party PlayStation games on PC.In its 2020 corporate report, Sony talked a…
The "if you're patient" part kills me lol. Like really guys?
King Zell ''the owner of the most famous arabic gaming site/forum'' said Sony wanted to undercut MS with
the price and MS told them ''indirectly of course'' : the PS5 will never be cheaper than the XSX even if we
announce the XSX price and you announce lower price for the PS5 we will lower the XSX price to match it
the price and MS told them ''indirectly of course'' : the PS5 will never be cheaper than the XSX even if we
announce the XSX price and you announce lower price for the PS5 we will lower the XSX price to match it
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MasterCornholio
Member
Really really patient. Plus there's no guarantee that the ports will be good. I mean we saw what happened with Horizon Zero Dawn.
What about the PS5 DE?
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Price shouldn't matter since PS5 is in a class of its own.
you can’t say this here, you gonna be swated
TLZ
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Hmm I agree. People should've gotten so used to it now. All we need to know that a certain item we want is coming out, and we put a rough estimate to its price based on history, and put aside some money for it.
Many people are into gaming these days and this generation grew up with games. So we know what to expect.
I have my money ready anyway
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TLZ
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They're probably waiting to see how to price the Series S. If PS5 digital is 399, they'd want to go 299. If it's 450, they'd want to go 350. And so on. No matter what, the SS will be cheaper, but by how much is the question. They'd want to profit as much as possible and still sell the cheapest of the bunch.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
The switch is a hybrid, how people havent figured that out yet is beyond me.
if anything sony being the market leader they dont have to release price first. How many surveys have I seen where ps5 dominates the charts over the series x, sony literallt could announce the price a month before release and itll still outsell the series x
Vawn
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So does Google. We are talking about the videogame departments.
Vawn
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No idea where you're going with this one, but I'm sure it's somewhere dumb.
DeaDPo0L84
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This is such a strange console launch. Normally by now I would've had both preordered and paid off. Assuming they come out in November were 8 weeks away with no price or date which is insane.
I'm wondering if they're more expensive than expected and are both nervous to be the first to announce the price due to the current financial climate.
I'm wondering if they're more expensive than expected and are both nervous to be the first to announce the price due to the current financial climate.
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Foamy
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Yeah that's called an opinion. If you can't create a thread without stating your opinions as facts in the title then perhaps you shouldn't be creating threads.
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