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J_Gamer.exe

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azertydu91 said:
You want examples ? Really? Here we go:
- that halo video titled are halo graphism really flat where he states that it is because of shadows that the game look like this and how to fix it easily.ecause that's exatly what the titlesaid it would be excuses and justifications.
-him not being able to spot raytracing in spiderman when it was already confirmed
-Him interrupting John on their next gen analysis about 60fps when except halo nothing has been confirmed at 60 with xbox exclusives and John correcting him multiple times
-him saying that ps5 has no hardware raytracing when it was already confirmed
-Him being part of a discord which gave birth to fake insider like tommy fischer said group being like a rallying point for Xbox extremists fanboys
-him saying that the SSD won't halp games beside load times
-the countless times he's been proven wrong even by kingthrash whom I don't like (especially that Gears 5 analysis)
-Zomming 300% on ps5 video to pinpoint lower resolution raytracing but not doing the same for the opposition.
-Banning people on ERA when they show prooves of his errors

EDIT: he's also on twitter that the last Ratchet and clank presentation saying that there wasn't a lot to say and that it has and I quote "loading times.Not understanding that games are basically always loading something because that's how games works.Do you call that a professionnal analysis or the simple opinion of a warrior.Even worse I've had more technically accurate chat with Xbox fans than he is capable of in his Twitter.

Do you really need more ?
See I think John leans a bit more toward Xbox, yet it doesn't prevent him from getting way more objective in his analysis.That's why I have no problem with either John and Richard simply because they don't act a warrior and do their job as professionally as possible.
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Thing is we always hear how Richard is this, John is that way leaning and Alex is that.

How The forgotten Tom from Df feels watching these debates unfold...

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FranXico

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ksdixon said:
kotaku - ps5-will-only-be-backward-compatible-with-ps4-games-according-to-ubisoft

They've removed that info now

I know
which proves its true

Eh... Removing it is a weird thing to do. Now it implies PS5 "is" BC.

so far, ps5 is a large, loud, and hot bag of shite

In fact, back in Feb, Ubisoft stated it was BC too (but we assumed they meant PS4 only)

Sony was contacted for info and they responded with they arent going to respond, then the into got took down. The leaks on the chips also say only 2 variable architecture speeds (ps4 and ps5

Exactly. So it's weird to remove the info if it's actually true. Thus, hopefully, the machine is BC with PS1/2/3

lmao
It isnt BC
it isnt even bc with ps4 properly
Also, the ps1 used disc wobble for copy protection which the drive would need to be specifically designed to pickup
the discs on ps2 (cd and dvd) used a wider spread on the discs too, which again requires special drives
And they have a discless ps5
IF BC, it would be running via an emu only on the new OS, which would be re-releases at a cost and no BC
Dunno about all that. Just saying Ubisoft are being cagey. Even their original support statement could be read as though the PS5 supports PS1/2/3/4 BC but ubisoft only support PS4 etc. Otherwise, if it's known PS5 is only BC with PS4, such a statement would be weird for Ubisoft to say.
The dream of bc is dead on ps5 mate
Let it go

... In the first place. The fact they now removed it, is even more suspect.

They removed because Sony asked them to ask they are getting flack
They want people to preorder the thing before they say its wank
and those preorders are due to go live within next 2 weeks

To be clear: I only expect PS4 BC. Anything else in any aspect (such as all games on PSNow being downloadable) would be a bonus.

limited ps4 bc
they already confirmed that

But difference is that Sony still bring the current gen games. Outside of PS4 or any other BC, there'll still be actual PS5 games to play. XB's big push for launch, without Halo, is old BC games and GamePass filler.

You mean sony are bringing out ps4 games with particle effects and ray tracing and blocking them from running on a ps4
baring the loading times, ratchet and clank would easily run on a ps4 from the polygon count and textures
plus it only runs at 30fps

RNC have an optional 60fps mode. A fair few PS5 games give that option.

60fps at less than 1080p
Miles Morales uses the exact same engine as ps4 spiderman, but with post processing effects and ray tracing, and that code would again run happily on a ps4

Dunno about that. I tend to come down on side of framerate anyway, so I'm happy for the user choice.

hahahahahahahaha
xb1x has had that option in their games from launch
The option for 4k/30 vs 1080p/60 is last gen stuff
Most Xbox One X Enhanced games offer two modes: Quality or Performance. Quality would offer full 4K, while Performance offers 60 FPS or at least unlocked frame rates.
Allowing for 3tflops running raytracing, the ps5 has the equivalant of 6tflops of graphical performance for rendering/framerates
Which is almost identical to the xb1x

On the other hand XB/multiplatform games for next generation consoles The Medium, AC Valhalla, Watch Dogs: Legion, Yakuza: Like a Dragon (not even 4K), Scarlet Nexus all have no 60fps mode.
Probably not the drum you wanna beat-on to champion XB.

on xb1 no
But so far ps4 pro has ZERO native 4k games even at 30 fps
ps4 pro randers much lower and upscales and still cant get 60fps
render*

Give me a call when XB can do something like TLOU2 or Ghosts of Tushima graphics, and those are on 1TF launch PS4's.

Developer Bloober Team has confirmed that its upcoming horror title The Medium will be 30fps on Xbox Series X. In response to a commenter on the studio's official YouTube channel, it was explained that the game will run at 4K/30fps for cinematic reasons, as well as its 'Dual-Reality' gameplay: "The game is 4K/30fps
tlou2? Really? That game is MASSIVELY below parr of an xb1x
4k/30
NOT 1080p 30fps which is most ps4
tlou2 runs are 1440p on ps4 pro with variable frame rates
It also has small environments and does not have an amazing polygon count
(TLOU2 pictures)
They are far from impressive graphics
r2rd hugely outdid them, with high polygon count, better lighting, and environments that werr upto 500x larger with draw distance

Narrative choices and pacing issues aside, the actual gameplay of TLOU2 is still great, and the game looks visually impressive. RnC PS5 looks great too, better in the Aug footage than the June footage due to more RTX and stuff applied to it.

I can't say the same for, say, Halo: Craig.

Why we talking about graphics now? We were talking about BC and framerates before.

(rdr2, forza 7/8 pics)
graphical, that blows RNC out of the water by a long way
Some are forza 8, some are just forza 7 running on a sx with the added effects
And sony went for variable speeds of cpu/gpu, making BC bloody difficult to run and smoothly

how do you know they're on XBSX? did the trailer state on it that it was captured on a XBSX?


It was shown running on the console
Whicb is more than ps5 has done yet. All of theirs so far have run from a dev kit

mate... you're drunk. there's been LOADS of PS5 stuff shown ''captured running on a PS5''. Not a PC, not a PS5 devkit (although there was one game that made that distinction clear by stating devkit). It's the XBSX that has hardly shown anything running on the console itself.
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Tell your friend I have a bridge I would like to sell him. Reassure him that I'm very consumer friendly.
 
sncvsrtoip

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azertydu91 said:
You want examples ? Really? Here we go:
- that halo video titled are halo graphism really flat where he states that it is because of shadows that the game look like this and how to fix it easily.ecause that's exatly what the titlesaid it would be excuses and justifications.
-him not being able to spot raytracing in spiderman when it was already confirmed
-Him interrupting John on their next gen analysis about 60fps when except halo nothing has been confirmed at 60 with xbox exclusives and John correcting him multiple times
-him saying that ps5 has no hardware raytracing when it was already confirmed
-Him being part of a discord which gave birth to fake insider like tommy fischer said group being like a rallying point for Xbox extremists fanboys
-him saying that the SSD won't halp games beside load times
-the countless times he's been proven wrong even by kingthrash whom I don't like (especially that Gears 5 analysis)
-Zomming 300% on ps5 video to pinpoint lower resolution raytracing but not doing the same for the opposition.
-Banning people on ERA when they show prooves of his errors

EDIT: he's also on twitter that the last Ratchet and clank presentation saying that there wasn't a lot to say and that it has and I quote "loading times.Not understanding that games are basically always loading something because that's how games works.Do you call that a professionnal analysis or the simple opinion of a warrior.Even worse I've had more technically accurate chat with Xbox fans than he is capable of in his Twitter.

Do you really need more ?
See I think John leans a bit more toward Xbox, yet it doesn't prevent him from getting way more objective in his analysis.That's why I have no problem with either John and Richard simply because they don't act a warrior and do their job as professionally as possible.
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I would say he is little biased towards pc gaming(and has rt obssesion ;d) but John or Nxgamer little towards sony exclusives, still they do good job imho
 
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MasterCornholio

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ethomaz

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Insane Metal said:
Also this:

wccftech.com

PlayStation 5 Seemingly Delayed - US/Canada First, Rest of the World Later?

A recent trailer by Activision seems to suggest that the PlayStation 5 will be delayed for the rest of the world, launching in the US & Canada first.
wccftech.com wccftech.com

The fuck?
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Wait was anybody waiting the same day release in US and Europe?
Because PS4 launched with one week apart it other.

Middle November: US/Canada
Early December: Europe/Oceania/South American/ETC

The biggest question is Japan... Early 2021 or this year?
 
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ksdixon said:
There was a shit 2013 trailer
Then a 2017 one that was amazing
the release fell inbetween the 2
And I just showed Lucy those rnc side by sides and asked her which was better
She said the june was by far, and she wasnt part of this convo

you've lost me. pretty sure there wasn't a 2013 tlou2 tailer, or a 2013 RNC Rift Apart trailer

sorry, I was looking at the 2013 release of tou1

Oh, well yes, TLOU2 certainly looks better than TLOU1 in terms of sheer graphics.

I just, in my opinion, don't like the visual changes to making Abbey even more masculine for the retail release of the game, and the questionable motive of making Dina/all women in the game purposefully more ugly than their real life motion capture counterparts. Ellie is a whole other problem. I think they could have made her look more like TLOU1 Ellie overall, and I think the comparison between TLOU1 Ellie and ''Flashback to TLOU1 Scene'' TLOU2 Ellie is complete nightmare fuel. They don't even look like the same person.

Sorry.... what was the point you were making there about TLOU2?
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graphically, the final release was worse than the trailer
the design change was a choice, whether it be good or bad


let me go investigating. i'm almost sure there were talks of graphical upgrades between the two hanging scenes from the... i want to say it was Tokyo Game Show 2017 trailer and the later footage.

I've read people claiming the new rnc is an upgrade when it is very clearly a downgrade



It was Paris Games Week 2017 event.

Youtube links

TLoU2 PGW Trailer - watch?v=UzdNECcio54

TLoU2 State of Play - watch?v=eML5icfq5VM

Graphics Comparison Video - watch?v=U9HOGMrLU0M

I'd say those were upgrades.


Like I say with RNC changes, some areas are clearly improved. Fog would imply a downgrade, but we/i don't know why it was added. I'd have to find someone to ask the specifics of a change like that, but it seems to be an artistic choice at least rather than needed to retain a sense of framerate quality. Otherwise, Insomniac wouldn't give the users the choice.

The 2nd rnc is significantly worse, even the draw distance has been reduced in resolution

.... Whom can speak knowledgeably on the differences between RnC's June and August footage? He seems to think that overall it's massively downgraded.
 
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Rossco EZ

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ksdixon said:
graphically, the final release was worse than the trailer
the design change was a choice, whether it be good or bad


let me go investigating. i'm almost sure there were talks of graphical upgrades between the two hanging scenes from the... i want to say it was Tokyo Game Show 2017 trailer and the later footage.

I've read people claiming the new rnc is an upgrade when it is very clearly a downgrade



It was Paris Games Week 2017 event.

Youtube links

TLoU2 PGW Trailer - watch?v=UzdNECcio54

TLoU2 State of Play - watch?v=eML5icfq5VM

Graphics Comparison Video - watch?v=U9HOGMrLU0M

I'd say those were upgrades.


Like I say with RNC changes, some areas are clearly improved. Fog would imply a downgrade, but we/i don't know why it was added. I'd have to find someone to ask the specifics of a change like that, but it seems to be an artistic choice at least rather than needed to retain a sense of framerate quality. Otherwise, Insomniac wouldn't give the users the choice.

The 2nd rnc is significantly worse, even the draw distance has been reduced in resolution

.... Whom can speak knowledgeably on the differences between RnC's June and August footage? He seems to think that overall it's massively downgraded.
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what’s with all the different coloured text?
 
J_Gamer.exe

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By-mission said:
Here is the first game captured straight from the Xbox Series X ..



Captured on Xbox Series X
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So at one point 7 mins 18 seconds a load screen takes about 5+ seconds to load.

That seems a little worrying on a small game such as this.

Imagine a big open world game, next gen looking, with rich detail etc.

Not sure this bodes well.

They said it was running on Series X after all.....
 
BWIGGS

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Anyone else think tomorrow morning is going to be pretty big? Twitter announcement of the event on Sept 9th and maybe that YouTube Video is the long awaited tear-down?

Call me old fashioned but its September and I need to know everything NOW! lol
 
Killer Sakoman

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ksdixon said:
kotaku - ps5-will-only-be-backward-compatible-with-ps4-games-according-to-ubisoft

They've removed that info now

I know
which proves its true

Eh... Removing it is a weird thing to do. Now it implies PS5 "is" BC.

so far, ps5 is a large, loud, and hot bag of shite

In fact, back in Feb, Ubisoft stated it was BC too (but we assumed they meant PS4 only)

Sony was contacted for info and they responded with they arent going to respond, then the into got took down. The leaks on the chips also say only 2 variable architecture speeds (ps4 and ps5

Exactly. So it's weird to remove the info if it's actually true. Thus, hopefully, the machine is BC with PS1/2/3

lmao
It isnt BC
it isnt even bc with ps4 properly
Also, the ps1 used disc wobble for copy protection which the drive would need to be specifically designed to pickup
the discs on ps2 (cd and dvd) used a wider spread on the discs too, which again requires special drives
And they have a discless ps5
IF BC, it would be running via an emu only on the new OS, which would be re-releases at a cost and no BC
Dunno about all that. Just saying Ubisoft are being cagey. Even their original support statement could be read as though the PS5 supports PS1/2/3/4 BC but ubisoft only support PS4 etc. Otherwise, if it's known PS5 is only BC with PS4, such a statement would be weird for Ubisoft to say.
The dream of bc is dead on ps5 mate
Let it go

... In the first place. The fact they now removed it, is even more suspect.

They removed because Sony asked them to ask they are getting flack
They want people to preorder the thing before they say its wank
and those preorders are due to go live within next 2 weeks

To be clear: I only expect PS4 BC. Anything else in any aspect (such as all games on PSNow being downloadable) would be a bonus.

limited ps4 bc
they already confirmed that

But difference is that Sony still bring the current gen games. Outside of PS4 or any other BC, there'll still be actual PS5 games to play. XB's big push for launch, without Halo, is old BC games and GamePass filler.

You mean sony are bringing out ps4 games with particle effects and ray tracing and blocking them from running on a ps4
baring the loading times, ratchet and clank would easily run on a ps4 from the polygon count and textures
plus it only runs at 30fps

RNC have an optional 60fps mode. A fair few PS5 games give that option.

60fps at less than 1080p
Miles Morales uses the exact same engine as ps4 spiderman, but with post processing effects and ray tracing, and that code would again run happily on a ps4

Dunno about that. I tend to come down on side of framerate anyway, so I'm happy for the user choice.

hahahahahahahaha
xb1x has had that option in their games from launch
The option for 4k/30 vs 1080p/60 is last gen stuff
Most Xbox One X Enhanced games offer two modes: Quality or Performance. Quality would offer full 4K, while Performance offers 60 FPS or at least unlocked frame rates.
Allowing for 3tflops running raytracing, the ps5 has the equivalant of 6tflops of graphical performance for rendering/framerates
Which is almost identical to the xb1x

On the other hand XB/multiplatform games for next generation consoles The Medium, AC Valhalla, Watch Dogs: Legion, Yakuza: Like a Dragon (not even 4K), Scarlet Nexus all have no 60fps mode.
Probably not the drum you wanna beat-on to champion XB.

on xb1 no
But so far ps4 pro has ZERO native 4k games even at 30 fps
ps4 pro randers much lower and upscales and still cant get 60fps
render*

Give me a call when XB can do something like TLOU2 or Ghosts of Tushima graphics, and those are on 1TF launch PS4's.

Developer Bloober Team has confirmed that its upcoming horror title The Medium will be 30fps on Xbox Series X. In response to a commenter on the studio's official YouTube channel, it was explained that the game will run at 4K/30fps for cinematic reasons, as well as its 'Dual-Reality' gameplay: "The game is 4K/30fps
tlou2? Really? That game is MASSIVELY below parr of an xb1x
4k/30
NOT 1080p 30fps which is most ps4
tlou2 runs are 1440p on ps4 pro with variable frame rates
It also has small environments and does not have an amazing polygon count
(TLOU2 pictures)
They are far from impressive graphics
r2rd hugely outdid them, with high polygon count, better lighting, and environments that werr upto 500x larger with draw distance

Narrative choices and pacing issues aside, the actual gameplay of TLOU2 is still great, and the game looks visually impressive. RnC PS5 looks great too, better in the Aug footage than the June footage due to more RTX and stuff applied to it.

I can't say the same for, say, Halo: Craig.

Why we talking about graphics now? We were talking about BC and framerates before.

(rdr2, forza 7/8 pics)
graphical, that blows RNC out of the water by a long way
Some are forza 8, some are just forza 7 running on a sx with the added effects
And sony went for variable speeds of cpu/gpu, making BC bloody difficult to run and smoothly

how do you know they're on XBSX? did the trailer state on it that it was captured on a XBSX?


It was shown running on the console
Whicb is more than ps5 has done yet. All of theirs so far have run from a dev kit

mate... you're drunk. there's been LOADS of PS5 stuff shown ''captured running on a PS5''. Not a PC, not a PS5 devkit (although there was one game that made that distinction clear by stating devkit). It's the XBSX that has hardly shown anything running on the console itself.
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You are telling me, you were able to memorize all that? Word for Word? C´mon ... tell ya buddy to register here. I don´t recall if i took a shit yesterday or not.

Sorry, but
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ksdixon said:
graphically, the final release was worse than the trailer
the design change was a choice, whether it be good or bad


let me go investigating. i'm almost sure there were talks of graphical upgrades between the two hanging scenes from the... i want to say it was Tokyo Game Show 2017 trailer and the later footage.

I've read people claiming the new rnc is an upgrade when it is very clearly a downgrade



It was Paris Games Week 2017 event.

Youtube links

TLoU2 PGW Trailer - watch?v=UzdNECcio54

TLoU2 State of Play - watch?v=eML5icfq5VM

Graphics Comparison Video - watch?v=U9HOGMrLU0M

I'd say those were upgrades.


Like I say with RNC changes, some areas are clearly improved. Fog would imply a downgrade, but we/i don't know why it was added. I'd have to find someone to ask the specifics of a change like that, but it seems to be an artistic choice at least rather than needed to retain a sense of framerate quality. Otherwise, Insomniac wouldn't give the users the choice.

The 2nd rnc is significantly worse, even the draw distance has been reduced in resolution

.... Whom can speak knowledgeably on the differences between RnC's June and August footage? He seems to think that overall it's massively downgraded.
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The 2nd rnc is significantly worse, even the draw distance has been reduced in resolution

I'm gonna look into the reasons why the changes happened for the RNC footage.

Gurantee whatever forum you ask in, you will get a sony fanboy twisting to somehow say its an upgrade somehow

Just a small snide comment here, I don't follow either franchise, but i find it funny we're discussing the upgrade/downgrade of RnC when Halo: Craig looked worse than Halo 3, some 10-odd years ago, and got indeffinately delayed. and even then some Xbox fanboys screeched about how it was just 'poor lighting'.

I just class halo as a huge cockup
But it also never claimed to be finished and due for release at launch, which is the only reason I'm not arsed
It also never claimed to be running on an xbsx
Rnc was shown to basically highlight the power of the ps5, and yet it seems to be downgraded at each new trailer. If it was running on a ps5 to start, why downgrade it? Did the ps5 get too hot? has the machine specs been downgraded? Less ram maybe? Its questions I wanna know the answers too
with Halo, the answers are clear. They fucked up, didnt even remotly have it done when it was supposed to, and showed a steaming dod turd instead

I'm fairly certain those PS5 overheating FUD were dispelled by actual game developers.

(I would say I'm 100%, but it's been so long of going back and forth since like December, and every time something comes out about PS5, the XB brigade comes up with some other ''problem'' that supposedly only affects PS5 but never XB).

I think your viewpoint depends on if it's a ''downgrade'' at all, or simply an artistic choice. Remember puddle-gate for SpiderMan? XB fans screeched about a downgrade, and the devs had to come out and explain that they changed how you enter the mission, and what time of day it was, so the puddle didn't make any sense to be there anymore etc. I'm sure someone will know more about RNC than either of us and be able to explain it at some point.

Sony have already copyright striked all the youtube vids on the downgrade
Only onew still up are in french/spanish etc


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Old at the top, new at the bottom
I actually prefer the new, but thats because I liked in on ps2 and it looks more like a ps2 game; but graphically it has been severly downgraded
Look at the reflections on the glass panels
yeah.
in terms or graphical prowess; which do you think is more impressive?
The 2nd one was an actual demo btw, whereas the top was the reveal trailer

It depends. In that particular picture there's more reflections on the floor in the reveal footage, whereas in other areas there's more reflections on the floor in the newer footage, and better effects on the purple portals, rachet's fur etc.

I can't say I'm a big fan of some of the color changes like on the rocks how they look more pink/reddish, or the fog being added in some areas etc. truth be told i'm not the biggest 3D mascott platformer fan anway, and I will be playing this in 60fps so I'll probably sacrifice some graphics quality be default that way, but i don't think the changes are bourne from neccessity. They seem like artstyle changes. But, like I say, hopefully someone knows more and can properly explain it.

60pfs at 1080p is low fps
Insomniac has confirmed today that Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will have two different modes, one running in 4k at 30 frames per second and the other mode running in “lower resolution” at 60 frames per second.
mile morales will do 4k/60fps, but only if turn off alot of graphics and reduce draw distance etc
and that is still only using the same engine as the ps4 game (basically a upscaled ps4 game) and it should easily be able to do 4k/60fps without sacrifice
 
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Dodkrake

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quest said:
Exactly Sony has mature emulators for the PS1 and ps2 there is no excuse for those not to come except to try and sell a cloud service and remasters.
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For you to have back compatibility with the PS1 and PS2 you need to have a laser that can read those discs. This increases costs. So yeah, there is an excuse, which is ",we don't want to stick a laser inside the console for a fraction of our buyers to have the hability and pretend that they'll play legacy games."
 
OrionNebula

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Jitzu said:
What’s tomorrow? An announcement of an announcement that would get delayed followed by another announcement?
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I just received an email from Sony asking me if I want to register in order to have a chance to be a part of the elite group that will get the first announcement of the upcoming announcement of the console annoucement

It’s US-only and must be type-A blood classification, though
 
Sinthor

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J_Gamer.exe said:
So at one point 7 mins 18 seconds a load screen takes about 5+ seconds to load.

That seems a little worrying on a small game such as this.

Imagine a big open world game, next gen looking, with rich detail etc.

Not sure this bodes well.

They said it was running on Series X after all.....
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I think it's fine. Definitely faster than our systems with traditional HDD's today. I mean, bottom line, the XSX is NOT going to be as fast in loading data as the PS5. Not close. It's still going to be a HUGE improvement over current gen machines though. XSX fans will be happy with what they get, I think.

On the other hand, while I'd like to SEE it for myself, besides the R&C demo, the PS5 is going to be insane when it comes to load times, etc. I'd sure like to see it in action though! Maybe next week?
 
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