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PS5 will have BT 5.1 and Wi-Fi 6 802.11 AX standard

Data Ghost

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WiFi 6 over WiFi 5 is obviously better (spec wise) but will make little to no difference in real word scenario's. Also the majority of people will be rocking Wireless AC (5) routers for most of the PS5's lifespan.

If you are looking to optimise cost savings when building a next gen console, this isn't a bad place to do it.
 

TBiddy

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Imagine if Series X had it and PS5 didn't....We would be getting numerous tweets and threads about it, how Wifi is a gamechanger, Phil would tweet a jab at the competition and would conduct another interview.......I see no fellating here, I just see rational folks discussing what Wifi 6 will bring to the table to improve connectivity between devices and even VR, all gaming related.....What's with the inferiority complex?

Your definition of "rational folks" includes a vast amount of perma-banned warriors, so... that said, you're right, I think Aaron Spencer would hail it as the second coming.
 

thelastword

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What is this giddy excitement about? Any self respecting Gaffer should have all his shit wired to the router. Are we crazy?
We are mostly wired, but please be aware that technology improves massively over the years and nothing stays static. Wifi has an advantage of not needing cables, having the ability to connect a million devices to the internet where they can communicate with each other without plugging in a wired ethernet cable and speeds and raw bandwidth on Wifi are now pretty insane. We may not recommend it to play SF5, but let's be honest, Wifi was only a detriment if you had a million people pooling over your connection in your house. Even with wired, if you are downloading torrents and playing SF, the experience will be just as bad and sometimes the fault should go to the netcode more than the technology constraints....

You look at any modern Wifi router, the features, the number of connected clients are insane via wifi......Eventually, Wifi will take over Ethernet and SFP+.....and Wifi 6 looks to be the standard that will pave that way forward....Technology improves, nothing stays the same.....It's similar to people arguing stick shift over automatic or.....Mechanical drives over SSD....Eventually the older one will be phased out.....

Not only that but digital foundry listed it as 802.11 ac meaning wifi 5
Phil is probably down the chief engineer's eardrum right now telling him how this happened? 1 trillion plus revenue, use that money baby, it all belongs to XBOX......So if they really do not have Wifi 6 onboard, their only option is a peripheal device/add on. So at launch they will probably have a Wifi 6 adapter that you can buy at a small cost to you....It's only fair and pro-consumer you see, you get options silly....

When he said "break the bottleneck" (timestamped):




This picture came to mind:

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I swear, Cerny is the embodiment of sleek and quick.....We should coin him 'the bottleneck killer".....
 
We are mostly wired, but please be aware that technology improves massively over the years and nothing stays static. Wifi has an advantage of not needing cables, having the ability to connect a million devices to the internet where they can communicate with each other without plugging in a wired ethernet cable and speeds and raw bandwidth on Wifi are now pretty insane. We may not recommend it to play SF5, but let's be honest, Wifi was only a detriment if you had a million people pooling over your connection in your house. Even with wired, if you are downloading torrents and playing SF, the experience will be just as bad and sometimes the fault should go to the netcode more than the technology constraints....

You look at any modern Wifi router, the features, the number of connected clients are insane via wifi......Eventually, Wifi will take over Ethernet and SFP+.....and Wifi 6 looks to be the standard that will pave that way forward....Technology improves, nothing stays the same.....It's similar to people arguing stick shift over automatic or.....Mechanical drives over SSD....Eventually the older one will be phased out.....


Phil is probably down the chief engineer's eardrum right now telling him how this happened? 1 trillion plus revenue, use that money baby, it all belongs to XBOX......So if they really do not have Wifi 6 onboard, their only option is a peripheal device/add on. So at launch they will probably have a Wifi 6 adapter that you can buy at a small cost to you....It's only fair and pro-consumer you see, you get options silly....


I swear, Cerny is the embodiment of sleek and quick.....We should coin him 'the bottleneck killer".....
No I think the first revision will get it in a year or so . Wifi6 is not necessity. Its a nice future proofing touch .
 

Dodkrake

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Do you know how wireless works? Seems like you don't
ps4 supports 5ghz and it's terribly slow lol

Mine does't. It may have been added at a later model. I don't have the OG PS4, but the second model just after they removed the reflective panel.

Edit: Out of curiosity, my powerline gets me more speed over Wi-Fi than Ethernet. It's interesting, haven't figured out why, but a nice quirk.
 
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Do you know how wireless works? Seems like you don't


Mine does't. It may have been added at a later model. I don't have the OG PS4, but the second model just after they removed the reflective panel.

Seems like you don't know and how higher wave lengths have issues penetrating materials and lower wave lengths have lower bandwidth because their frequenzy is lower.
 

Dodkrake

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Seems like you don't know and how higher wave lengths have issues penetrating materials and lower wave lengths have lower bandwidth because their frequenzy is lower.

My living room router: 500MB over ethernet, 500MB over wireless at around 3M distance.

No, you don;t need to be paper close to the router to get the same speed, or 90+% of it.

I have slim

That makes sense, I think the slim does support 5GHz.
 

thelastword

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No I think the first revision will get it in a year or so . Wifi6 is not necessity. Its a nice future proofing touch .
We will see how Phil responds, that is if the Series X does not have Wifi 6 already. I can't be sure of that yet.....In any case, though Wifi 6 may not be a must for gaming, it definitely helps with stability and connectivity for those who have gravitated towards wifi.....I am just about to wire my home network with 10GBE and my current router is a DLINK AC router, so naturally I'm getting a new AX router as well....They are not expensive and I think many will convert soon.....It's better to have the feature for those who can use it than not....

The crazy thing about such details is that the console which does not have a feature will always get flack from those people who can use the feature. Besides, Wifi is BC, so if you can't push Wifi 6 speeds it will scale, but people who can use it will be pleased on day 1 on the console and a whole as you propose before MS answers back....
 

yurinka

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WiFi 6 over WiFi 5 is obviously better (spec wise) but will make little to no difference in real word scenario's
Not true. Wifi 6 offers same latency than gigabit lan wired connection of around 1ms (this is 75% less than wifi 5) and according to real world test a transfer speed of 1.2-1.5Gbps as seen in the articles posted in this thread, when wired in consoles has 1Gbps of theorical maximum. And on top of that wifi 6 has extra perks like allowing larger distances, extra protection against interferences from other wifis and handling better to have multiple devices connected to the same network.

It's going to be a future proof game changer for online multiplayer, game streaming from servers and game streaming from the console. It will be the first time where wifi is going to be better than wired and it's just a matter of time that most people end having wifi 6 routers as ISP continue updating the routers they offer as currently do.

We will see how Phil responds, that is if the Series X does not have Wifi 6 already.
According to the teardown video DF made with MS Series X doesn't have wifi 6, it has wifi 5 instead.
 
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My living room router: 500MB over ethernet, 500MB over wireless at around 3M distance.

No, you don;t need to be paper close to the router to get the same speed, or 90+% of it.



That makes sense, I think the slim does support 5GHz.

3 meter with nothing in between.
That is not at all what I was talking about.


Try to live in a 1000m² house and use 40MHz with walls.
 
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longdi

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I can't find the wireless info on series x official page.
Most pc mother board comes with wifi6 this year. Phones iirc had wifi6 too.

It's good to have but wifi6 routers are expensive and most people won't feel a difference imo. That's why many are happily using their isp supplied routers. 🤷‍♀️
 

Max_Po

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I think, XboxSe X will get a revision as early as 2021 ...if they are indeed launching with Wifi5

2 TB HDD
and Wifi6.
 

Thirty7ven

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The downplaying is hilarious. WI Fi 6 brings it to the same level as Ethernet.

5GHZ is good but the added latency is noticeable.


It's good to have but wifi6 routers are expensive and most people won't feel a difference imo. That's why many are happily using their isp supplied routers. 🤷‍♀️

I don’t know where you live, but over here ISPs are constantly updating their routers. They moved to 5Ghz years ago.
 

Dodkrake

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3 meter with nothing in between.
That is not at all what I was talking about.


Try to live in a 1000m² house and use 40MHz with walls.

Who lives in a 1000sqm house? 0.001% of the population?

Way to sway the point your end. Most of us have the router in the living room, as well as the platform of our choice. At most, people will have the console in a separate room.

And why talk about 40MHz when routers operate on 2.4GHz and 5GHz? 2.4 has better penetration, 5 has better connectivity up close.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
? The PS5 WiFi and BT are 100% fact lol
It is official documents.

Unless you are trying to say only Brasil will have a PS5 with WiFi 6 + BT 5.1 lol
I'm saying that the documents don't say anything about PS5. It may very well be the case, but I would wait for official confirmation.
 

ethomaz

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Who lives in a 1000sqm house? 0.001% of the population?

Way to sway the point your end. Most of us have the router in the living room, as well as the platform of our choice. At most, people will have the console in a separate room.

And why talk about 40MHz when routers operate on 2.4GHz and 5GHz? 2.4 has better penetration, 5 has better connectivity up close.
40Mhz is the channel bandwidth.
WiFi 2.4Ghz doesn’t work well with 40Mhz... you should use 20Mhz (it is the default).

WiFi 5Ghz works fine with 40Mhz.
 
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sircaw

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What exactly does wifi have to do with gamepass?

If you care about wifi 6 or even know what it is, you should be using a wired connection.

Wifi6 is the new PS5 secret sauce!

Yes, i had this exact same conversation with @geordietemp yesterday, i was getting confused with downloading isp speeds. My download speeds are pretty damn terrible when i download games. So i put 1+1 and came up with 3 lol.

He did correct me or more importantly educate me

I have always declared to not be very technical.

Its an honest mistake.
 

ethomaz

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I'm saying that the documents don't say anything about PS5. It may very well be the case, but I would wait for official confirmation.
In Brasil, US and Peru the module is certified to Sony’s gaming console.

I’m not following the news Sony is launching another gaming console instead PS5... please share with us more about these insiders plans.
 
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Dodkrake

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40Mhz is the channel bandwidth.
WiFi 2.4Ghz doesn’t work well with 40Mhz... you should use 20Mhz (it is the default).

WiFi 5Ghz works fine with 40Mhz.

Oh, that. Gotcha. Got confused around the channel and the tech. I think mine is set to 20Mhz on a custom channel to prevent conflict with my neighbours Wi-Fi
 

shaddam

Member
Old ps3 times with bluetooth headsets would be great. I just bought a wired philips, but the more option the better
 

quest

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How the thread become a downplay of WiFi 6 is not shocking lol
You mean the down playing of a wired connection lol. I am sure that wireless connection going though 2 floors and 3 walls of plaster will totally be the same as wired lol. Getting the newest wireless is great but a wired connection is always best it is more consistent and stable with out drop outs.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Looks like my Laptop is Wifi 6 as well. Besides the better range I don't notice a difference. 15ms ping 700ish down. My brothers Laptop with just AC wifi 16ms 700ish down.....


I recommend the router for the range boost but not going to change the world.
 
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Ar¢tos

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They should have every psn service on ipv6, so people with ipv6 connections (I guess almost everybody by now) could ditch NAT and have improved party chats and p2p mp.
That would make a bigger difference for me than wifi6 or bt5.1 .
 

Data Ghost

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Not true. Wifi 6 offers same latency than gigabit lan wired connection of around 1ms (this is 75% less than wifi 5) and according to real world test a transfer speed of 1.2-1.5Gbps as seen in the articles posted in this thread, when wired in consoles has 1Gbps of theorical maximum. And on top of that wifi 6 has extra perks like allowing larger distances, extra protection against interferences from other wifis and handling better to have multiple devices connected to the same network.

It's going to be a future proof game changer for online multiplayer, game streaming from servers and game streaming from the console. It will be the first time where wifi is going to be better than wired and it's just a matter of time that most people end having wifi 6 routers as ISP continue updating the routers they offer as currently do.


According to the teardown video DF made with MS Series X doesn't have wifi 6, it has wifi 5 instead.
Whilst your specs are factual, I'll agree to disagree on real world usage if its all the same to you.
 

ethomaz

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You mean the down playing of a wired connection lol. I am sure that wireless connection going though 2 floors and 3 walls of plaster will totally be the same as wired lol. Getting the newest wireless is great but a wired connection is always best it is more consistent and stable with out drop outs.
First nobody is downplaying wired connection but WiFi 6 is really in the same level or even better in some cases (and that is great because the wireless is finally catching with wired)... so who say it is not is really downplaying WiFi 6 for whatever obscure reason.

Second you only used wired connect if you are near the router... I never saw somebody using a 10-20 meters cable in a home (I mean you will let that blue cable on the floor or on the wall sides lol)... if your console or PC is far way from router you will in 99% o the cases uses WiFi.

Third I don't know which type of mansion you live but most our gamers doesn't have 2 floors and 3 walls between router an console... I have actually none between them and I use wired just because the WiFi on PS4 is utter crap... I still don't like that blue cable in my painel even when you can only see like 20cm of it near the PS4.

And before we start another war most of gamers uses WiFi instead wired.

We can't get enough of xbox trolls, can we? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I wonder if the thread was only about WiFi 6 tech if people will say what they said here lol
 
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Bo_Hazem

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I wonder if the thread was only about WiFi 6 if people will say what they said here lol

It's ok, some like their sandwich without salad, sauce, etc. Just bland bread and a piece of meat, or even worse, vegan. But we all know that the vast majority of people would want the full sandwich pack, which makes it trendy and attractive ;)
 

LOLCats

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How the thread become a downplay of WiFi 6 is not shocking lol

well on my AC wlan i get 500-750mbps on my 1gbps connection.

my AX wlan is basically the same with a few ms lower latency and a bit faster burst speeds, so progress yes, but not a game changer.
 
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quest

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First nobody is downplaying wired connection but WiFi 6 is really in the same level or even better in some cases... so who say it is not is really downplaying WiFi 6 for whatever obscure reason.

Second you only used wired connect if you are near the router... I never saw somebody using a 10m cable in a home... if your console or PC is far way from router you will in 99% o the cases uses WiFi.

Third I don't know which type of mansion you live but most our gamers doesn't have 2 floors and 3 walls between router an console... I have actually none between them and I use wired just because the WiFi on PS4 is utter crap... I still don't like that blue cable in my painel even when you can only see like 20cm of it near the PS4.

And before we start another war most of gamers uses WiFi instead wired.
I live in an area with lots of homes built in the 1800s with basements that people keep routers in. Those 1200 square foot mansions are a joy with the thick plaster walls. I had to deal many for work. I have my main shit on 10 foot cables to the router lol. I said it is great Sony included the newest wifi but so many people put the router in the shittiest spot in the house there will still be issues with signal and drop outs. People can quote lab numbers but real world is another thing how people have things set up. Put that router right where the cable comes into the house in the basement. Then bitch about issues. Lab is great real world is always different. That does not count issues with the wifi card and router that cause occasional drop outs lol.
 

ethomaz

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I live in an area with lots of homes built in the 1800s with basements that people keep routers in. Those 1200 square foot mansions are a joy with the thick plaster walls. I had to deal many for work. I have my main shit on 10 foot cables to the router lol. I said it is great Sony included the newest wifi but so many people put the router in the shittiest spot in the house there will still be issues with signal and drop outs. People can quote lab numbers but real world is another thing how people have things set up. Put that router right where the cable comes into the house in the basement. Then bitch about issues. Lab is great real world is always different. That does not count issues with the wifi card and router that cause occasional drop outs lol.
It is convenience... it is easier to put the router near where the cable get in your home... you don't need to break walls to make an inside infrastructure to have the router in another place.
For example I have my router in my TV/living room just because the Fiber cable is there (there is no point to try to change the place)... it is of course a good spot to me because it is near the center of the home and close to TV, Fire TV Stick and PS4... only my and wife bed room notebooks and TVs are a bit far way but that is one wall and like 5 meter away.
My house is around 120m2... it is not that big but there 3 bed rooms, 2 bathroom, 1 chicken, 1 living room, etc... if you look at it is a bit big for me, wife and one year old kid... one bed room is basically empty except for some kid toys.

The signal at least is good in both 2.4 and 5.0Ghz on cellphone in all home places even near outside the building...
 
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splattered

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I'm saying that the documents don't say anything about PS5. It may very well be the case, but I would wait for official confirmation.

I was wondering the same thing... what if the documents ended up being for a tablet, tv, or a phone or something instead of PS5. That would be funny.

Not shocking if it does have wifi6 either way though.
 

ethomaz

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I was wondering the same thing... what if the documents ended up being for a tablet, tv, or a phone or something instead of PS5. That would be funny.

Not shocking if it does have wifi6 either way though.
The documents is filed in three places (US, Peru and Brasil) and says "game console".
I'm not sure how a tablet, TV or phone is labeled as game console.

But of course it could be Vita 2 if you can put that big chip inside it..
 
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Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
The documents is filed in three places (US, Peru and Brasil) and says "game console".
I'm not sure how a tablet, TV or phone is labeled as game console.

But of course it could be Vita 2 if you can put that big chip inside it..

vita 2 skips retail goes right to the bargain bin
 

Dnice1

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Same latency and faster speed than using cable, for the first time will be better wifi than using cable. This with the better latency of the bluetooth 5.1 pad it's a paradigm shift for online multiplayer and game streaming both from servers and from the console similar to what the PS5 SSD & I/O system will be to how the games are loaded, streamed and rendered.

Seems that the wifi 6 is expected to become an official IEEE specification next month, maybe they will announce it there. Or whenever they decide to show the OS and shop UI related features, create button features and PS Now PS5 plans.

What in the world? Sending data through radio frequencies will never be faster or more robust than a hardwired copper/fiber cable. Wifi latency is measured in milliseconds. Ethernet is in microseconds, and even nanoseconds in data centers.
 

splattered

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The documents is filed in three places (US, Peru and Brasil) and says "game console".
I'm not sure how a tablet, TV or phone is labeled as game console.

But of course it could be Vita 2 if you can put that big chip inside it..

Haven't there been other patents people here were 100% sure were related to the PS5 but ended up being for a different "console" ? The screen people thought were going to go on the controller or something?
 

ManaByte

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WiFi 6 over WiFi 5 is obviously better (spec wise) but will make little to no difference in real word scenario's. Also the majority of people will be rocking Wireless AC (5) routers for most of the PS5's lifespan.

If you are looking to optimise cost savings when building a next gen console, this isn't a bad place to do it.

They cut costs with the PS4's NIC and it's dog shit. Even for 2013.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
<--- real life user Range is the biggest difference, speed and latency is nearly identical. Please don't hype your self into thinking its as good as a wired connection. I still plug my stuff in if I want to download game.

Awesome the PS5 has it but manage your expectations. I had to check the specs on my laptop to see that it actually had it since it was so unnoticeable.
 
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