The tweet specifically mentions both Xbox and PS4. Both of them. Each one of the two systems. Equally.
The 'PR for PS5', exactly. They're will be cross-gen games on the PS4/PS5. The same issues will apply for those.
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Digital Foundry: Developers Having Difficult Time Scaling games back to PS4/Xbox One specs
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The tweet specifically mentions both Xbox and PS4. Both of them. Each one of the two systems. Equally.
The 'PR for PS5', exactly. They're will be cross-gen games on the PS4/PS5. The same issues will apply for those.
MrFunSocks
Banned
And like I said, why wouldn’t they? Do third party devs just follow the first party devs? What exactly are you basing your concern on? Your point makes no sense.
Devs make games for new hardware as that’s the new hardware that will be sold for the next 5+ years. Why is this hard to understand?
skneogaf
Member
So is he talking about developers working under Microsoft or something as some of the games announced at their show were xbox series x and pc only?
Also 3rd party developers don't have to make their games work on xbox one obviously as they have zero to do with Microsoft.
I'm confused.
Edit: this was wrote before the title change and the obvious one sided view of it.
Also 3rd party developers don't have to make their games work on xbox one obviously as they have zero to do with Microsoft.
I'm confused.
Edit: this was wrote before the title change and the obvious one sided view of it.
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GHG
Member
When convenient?
Moving on from these old consoles ASAP benefits everyone. Even those who don't game on consoles at all.
People who advocate the old consoles being dragged into next gen aren't being logical and are just towing the party line unfortunately.
demigod
Member
Anyone with a brain would’ve known this and wouldn’t need DF to say it, in fact we’ve been saying this since last year. Xbox fans are in denial and living in lala land. Its time to face reality and stop believing everything daddy phil tells you.
xStoyax
Banned
Digital Foundry specifically says Halo is being held back by the Xbox One, it's in the OP
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Dude we've endured months of the idea that heldback is FUD, that being cross-gen is consumer-friendly, that everything can scale. Ask yourself honestly if you can deny which side is making these arguments you keep asking us to divorce everything from actual context including the context of the actual heads of Sony telling us they're on interested in making their games work on a PS4. So we get a tweet from someone that digital foundry seemingly confirming what we all were saying that cross gen holds games back, the developers don't actually want to develop for these old consoles and you're here to tell us it's very important that he said to leave behind the PS4 as well which is weird because Jim Ryan agrees with you and all the Sony fans on the forearm agree with that sentiment. What we've spent months dealing with is the pr of Microsoft and those who support their PR telling us that what they were doing was right that it was pro-consumer and they even started asking that people were banned for claiming games would be held back as some kind of weird retaliation for the bands of people who claim PS5 is a 9 teraflop machine. In a vacuum you have a point otherwise you do not.
Shmunter
Member
Microsoft is possibly putting the screws onto 3rd party also, despite not being able to dictate to them. Could be threats of withholding prominence on the store, freezing out of gamepass, whatever.
The cross gen discussions in some form between platform holder and 3rd party would have taken place.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
One engine can only fit so many devices... Imagine scaling your engine across 4 different Xboxes and 3 different PlayStations.
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Shmunter
Member
It wouldn't be easy peezy, lemon squeezy
skneogaf
Member
Absolutely nonsense!
3rd party developers can do whatever they want.
Besides this clearly says ps4 and xbox one yet only a few non playstation fanatics can see that it says ps4.
Edit: this was wrote before the title change and the obvious one sided view of it.
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F
Foamy
Unconfirmed Member
Between the cross gen BS and Microsoft forcing me to play multiplayer games against PC players they've lost my business for next gen. I'll just use my One X for exclusives and buy a PS5 on launch day.
skneogaf
Member
I don't understand why the point of this thread? It's absolutely nonsense.
Is it supposed to be about halo infinite?
Is it supposed to be about jaguar cores on both the ps4 and the xbox one?
The evidence posted clearly says ps4 so why is only xbox one in the title?
Edit: this was wrote before the title change and the obvious one sided view of it.
Is it supposed to be about halo infinite?
Is it supposed to be about jaguar cores on both the ps4 and the xbox one?
The evidence posted clearly says ps4 so why is only xbox one in the title?
Edit: this was wrote before the title change and the obvious one sided view of it.
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bitbydeath
Member
It’s because MS are forcing it on their devs. For Sony there is no requirement.
GHG
Member
One company says they believe in generations and clean breaks whereas the other is saying nobody left behind and that being held back by old hardware is a meme.
I think what they meant to say was that being held back by old hardware creates memes.
skneogaf
Member
The xbox show proved that what you wrote is nonsense.
How many games said xbox one/xbox series x/pc at the bottom?
We had threads saying that Microsoft were lying about support for the xbox one as the absolute majority of the games shown didn't say xbox one.
Edit: this was wrote before the title change and the obvious one sided view of it.
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Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Microsoft isnt forcing anything. The agenda is beyond clear. Come on broskis! You guys are not even trying to hide it now. WTAF?
bitbydeath
Member
They weren’t lying. Those games that didn’t mention Xbox One clearly aren’t coming out for two years.
Xbox Series X won’t have next-gen exclusives for a while
All early Series X releases will also be playable on previous Xbox One models.
arstechnica.com
skneogaf
Member
They weren’t lying. Those games that didn’t mention Xbox One clearly aren’t coming out for two years.
Xbox Series X won’t have next-gen exclusives for a while
All early Series X releases will also be playable on previous Xbox One models.
But again which Microsoft developer made games are you talking about? There aren't any other than halo infinite that I can remember.
Im sure there is some.
3rd party developers have no rules to say they can only release a game on xbox series consoles if they release on xbox one consoles.
3rd party games will surely make way more money if on the ps4 and xbox one as combined there are 150 million consoles.
150 million!!!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Let’s see how many people still under appreciate how developing, testing, certifying, and supporting additional OS+HW configurations is not easy even if you had a scalable engine that could scale let alone when you target such a massive vast difference in capabilities...
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DarkMage619
oh you possibly were not able to read the quote let me paste it again 
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Well. Who is forcing them to port games to Xbox One? As far as I know, 3rd party devs doesn't have any obligation to port their games to old consoles. It's a publisher matter. So if that DICE dev wants to cry, there is a person to address her concern. EA Studios chief Laura Miele.
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anothertech
Member
Dam. That's insane.Halo 4 could stand toe to toe with Halo Infinite
You know today is crazy with the fud being spread about ps5, and then all this legit shit coming out about Xbox.
Some serious dark energy out there, making me believe in paid shills again. Dam.
thismeinteil
Member
No one has changed their minds about DF. There's a big difference between agreeing with common sense and calling them out on their bias. But, I'll change my mind on them when they start putting out defense vids and PR vids for PS5 games, instead of zooming 800% to look at something.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Your the only one dismissing it as "but Sony Too™ Pedro
There is no problems scaling from PS4 to PS5
THAT is what you'll see a lot of.
But Next Gen scaled to Last Gen is something MS is going for and Sony has said they ain't gonna do that as it will hold back the PS5.
Something people said was Anti-consumer
This strictly applys to MS's plans of having everything on Xbox Series X being available on Xbox One.
It not gonna be pretty
And is probably the reason why Sony said "We Can't Take Everyone with Us from Previous Gens"
Saying its not a problem because it not gonna happen anyway is not Pathetic.
Saying "but, but Sony Too™" to make yourself feel better about a piece of plastic is.
Go ahead, still ain't gonna change the the fact it's not happening.
Still wanna go the "Sony Too™ route?
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thismeinteil
Member
So, you want them to prove they are not biased by being biased for PS5?
Guess that went right over your head.
The point is, they need to treat each system/company the same. Either strictly analyze everything, which is what they're supposed to do, or make PR vids for both.
Stilton Disco
Member
I'm pleased to see them acknowledge the fucking obvious after over a year of them, along with a load of other vocal Xbox stratergy apologist, continually dismissing such concerns regarding shacking next gen development to weaker hardware.
The entire reason generations keep existing is to allow games to not get mired in outdated older hardware. Without that baseline being raised, you adversely effect even PC development.
Much like Gamepass like subscription survices and streaming, mandating crossgen or creating a handicapped weaker 'next gen' system looks like a pro consumer move on the surface, but such an attempt to please 'everyone', catering to the worst, most short sighted impulses of the public, would only cause harm to the industry long term.
The entire reason generations keep existing is to allow games to not get mired in outdated older hardware. Without that baseline being raised, you adversely effect even PC development.
Much like Gamepass like subscription survices and streaming, mandating crossgen or creating a handicapped weaker 'next gen' system looks like a pro consumer move on the surface, but such an attempt to please 'everyone', catering to the worst, most short sighted impulses of the public, would only cause harm to the industry long term.
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ZywyPL
Banned
Is it? Look at Gears 5, which already runs at (dynamic) 4K60, and looks absolutely amazing while doing so, and then we have Halo on Series X, which arguably looks even worse than Halo 5 on One X, let alone Gears 5. It's clearly not the hardware that's the limiting factor here, but the software and people behind the game.
UE4 already does that, with great results. So I don't know, maybe 343 indeed should've stick to it instead of making Slipspace Engine from scratch, with terrible end result.
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anothertech
Member
Those jaguars need to be left in the dust
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Please provide a quote where MS is insisting that all games be developed for the XB1. Does this mean The Medium and Scorn will be dropped because they can't run on XB1? I just also find it pretty funny that the thread questioning the ease of development on PS5 was changed IMMEDIATELY when it was considered deceptive but this thread title has not changed despite the fact that BOTH PS4 and Xbox are mentioned. It's pretty interesting. Oh well I guess the narrative must persist.
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martino
Member
of course you can expect always same people to see it for the minority of software because of warring
you need to consider this with third party in mind.
it could hurt publisher plans. from the top of my head :
www.windowscentral.com
www.hardwarezone.com.sg
was there other infos on third party early next gen plan or change of it ?
you need to consider this with third party in mind.
it could hurt publisher plans. from the top of my head :
Square Enix won't make Xbox Series X or PS5 exclusives for a while, favors cross-gen for now
It'll be some time before the current hardware is cut off from Square Enix games.
www.windowscentral.com
Capcom has apparently axed Resident Evil 8's cross-gen availability
The leak suggests that a "graphics fidelity overhaul" causing long load times on older consoles was the key reason.
www.hardwarezone.com.sg
was there other infos on third party early next gen plan or change of it ?
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Saaleh
Banned
I wish more people are like you, at least you have a limited faith towards Phil and i admire that. I don't know maybe you will get back embracing Phil if he says something else but at least you know how to react when you figure out you've been fooled. Other fans have no shame. Instead of facing what they said they attack sony or give excuses to microsoft.Wow, and I spent all this time arguing the exact opposite.
YOU'VE MADE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL, PHIL!!! A FOOOLL, PHHIILLLLL!!!!
Sony's [mistakes or ''mistakes''] won't excuse xbox failure/lies. If someone love the gamepass service/value than fair enough but stop comparing playstation to xbox because that comparison is no longer valid.
Series X foundation was already weak from day 1. Now the foundation is shattered yet there are fans that still defending Phil even though every day we hear news that contradict their statements.
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GHG
Member
This mandate exists for their first party games does it not? It's literally in their PR :
You Are the Future of Gaming - Xbox Wire
Games are a source of joy, inspiration, and social connection. They have the power to bring us together, create empathy, and strengthen our social fabric. As we prepare for the next generation, our efforts to make gaming more inclusive, more immersive, more connected, and more social are as...
news.xbox.com
The point of this thread is that if these struggles exist then why are they forcing this on anyone, even if it's just their first party studios?
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Ah so this has NOTHING to do with 3rd parties at all. The developer in this case MUST be MS themselves complaining about their own policy. Very odd. I'm thinking the POINT of this thread is to push another 'MS is in trouble' narrative. Don't know if you know this but Sony will also have cross platform games. I'm sure the thread attacking them is being written right now...This mandate exists for their first party games does it not? It's literally in their PR :
You Are the Future of Gaming - Xbox Wire
Games are a source of joy, inspiration, and social connection. They have the power to bring us together, create empathy, and strengthen our social fabric. As we prepare for the next generation, our efforts to make gaming more inclusive, more immersive, more connected, and more social are as...
The point of this thread is that if these struggles exist then why are they forcing this on anyone, even if it's just their first party studios?
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You’re assuming that there was a mandate to developers. I think it is simply that they knew what (limited number of) first party games are actually going to be released in the next couple of years and that they are planned to be cross gen games. Therefore they can say what they have. Rather than being the other way around and the reason for only cross gen games is that they said they must be.This mandate exists for their first party games does it not? It's literally in their PR :
You Are the Future of Gaming - Xbox Wire
Games are a source of joy, inspiration, and social connection. They have the power to bring us together, create empathy, and strengthen our social fabric. As we prepare for the next generation, our efforts to make gaming more inclusive, more immersive, more connected, and more social are as...
The point of this thread is that if these struggles exist then why are they forcing this on anyone, even if it's just their first party studios?
Vroadstar
Member
I'm not really into soccer, but is that Madrid team always been in the gutters? like since they started?
GHG
Member
Actually the point of this thread is to put paid to the "just scale it bro, it's just a few settings sliders" fallacy that has been created due to certain executives claiming being held back by old hardware is a "meme".
It was already apparent when we saw Halo Infinite and it's even more apparent when there are 3rd party developers weighing in saying that it's not simple.
The reason this thread is talking about the Xbox platform specifically is because nobody is being forced by Sony to still develop for the PS4 alongside the PS5 whereas unfortunately the same can't be said for Microsoft and the Xbox One.
Hopefully they see the light and drop the Xbox One versions of their first party games.
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Kumomeme
Member
..b..butt folks here said optimization is easy! just turn down or up the magic slider! X1 wont hold back games!
Directx12 Ultimate gonna make the wonder! They said developers been optimizing for pc for years so it should not be much different!
there also people said there no games that xbox one cant run, no games and features that the Jaguar cpu cant handle, just turn up or down the graphic and resolution sliders like in pc! its that simple!
Directx12 Ultimate gonna make the wonder! They said developers been optimizing for pc for years so it should not be much different!
there also people said there no games that xbox one cant run, no games and features that the Jaguar cpu cant handle, just turn up or down the graphic and resolution sliders like in pc! its that simple!
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Jaguar Victory
Member
Imma need receipts on this.
intheinbetween
Member
Well, it’s funny how the OP mentions both platforms but the usual posters just read what they want
bitbydeath
Member
Quote was provided above.
We don’t know yet which are affected, we’ll have to wait and see.
GHG
Member
I'd actually like for that to be the case and for it to just be a bunch of external PR fluff.
Because if not RIP to the devs who have to try and get flight sim 2020 running on the base Xbox One.
aries_71
Junior Member
Not always.. but in the last couple of decades they had plenty of bad luck, while the Real Madrid got all the glory (sometimes undeservedly). So Playstation would be the Real Madrid and the Xbox the Atlético de Madrid. You will have to learn to suffer.