Reindeer
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With more focus on GAAS and open word repetitive grind fests expect next gen to be even more devoid of creativity.
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Digital Foundry: Developers Having Difficult Time Scaling games back to PS4/Xbox One specs
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Krisprolls
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Some of those games are still just CGI and ideas though, you won't play them until 2023 or 2024. Remember Rare admitted they don't even know what kind of game Everwild would be, and for Fable they're still hiring every major position including game director if I remember correctly.
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Foamy
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This is shocking news.
MrFunSocks
Banned
But again.....why are they making cross gen games? If they choose to do that, and MS is not asking nor forcing them to, then of course you’re going to have trouble if you start with the 12TF console as the base version. And yes, like with every gen, if you start with the previous gen then you’re still going to be hamstrung but you won’t have as many problems because the lower spec is the baseline.
This isn’t new, this isn’t Xbox specific, and this shouldn’t be news to anyone. It’s literally a “no shit sherlock” thing.
if you don’t want to be held back by the jaguar CPU that is in both the Xbox one and ps4 - and remember the Jaguar CPU in the Xbox one is more powerful than the one in the PS4 - then don’t support the Xbox one and PS4 maybe?
SilentUser
Member
I think that explains a lot, to be honest. And it sounds like the marketing BS actually worked because I remember quite a few people saying it wouldn't affect the games
Gamernyc78
Banned
This is Phil pitching and presenting ideas .....
The end result might look enticing, but it takes several steps to get there.
Seriously never seen so much nonsense, backtracking from this is good to bad, to excuses, to "oh thts why" in my life
Crackdown 3 was made to run only on Xbox one what was the excuse for tht mediocrity tht looked like an Xbox 360 game? 
Doesnt change shit, Microsoft just don't know wtf they are doing especially software wise. It's a shame.
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Reindeer
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I think they just showed their true colours again and were just pretending to be something else for short period and we all bought it. The people in charge there now are the same people that messed up for the last 7 years, so expecting them to suddenly change and dominate was just way too unrealistic I guess. Mike Ybarra was right when he said that nothing has changed at Xbox after people were getting hyped about Series X reveal.
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Crew 511A
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You're probably right. I never thought we'd see another crash, and maybe we won't, but we could definitely stand to see a few big names get their comeuppance.
MrFunSocks
Banned
I know we won’t, but that doesn’t change what I said. I said they’re not coming to Xbox one, and they’re not.
Don’t read anything into the hiring positions though. As someone else pointed out, Horizon Zero Dawn Forbidden West is also hiring for the same positions and we’re not questioning it’s development are we?
Dr Bass
Member
Called this a long time ago. It wasn't the graphics that would be the big problem for cross generational games. it would be the difference in CPU. Can look through ye olde post history!
Feels like a decision dictated by someone who doesn't understand games or games development. Like ohhhhh I don't know, Phil Spencer?
Feels like a decision dictated by someone who doesn't understand games or games development. Like ohhhhh I don't know, Phil Spencer?
Because Microsoft don't have faith that Series X is going to sell enough to support a generation of games by it's self right now & hope that they will have enough sold in a few years to support the higher end games & PC ports. But for now Xbox One is their crutch.
Krisprolls
Banned
Horizon has shown a lot more than a 10 second CGI though, and we have a first real game to rely on.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
What is he smoking? Everybody knows cross-gen problems are just a meme
Grinchy
Banned
I thought developers didn't have to scale down to Xbone if they didn't want to? We have multiple 3rd party XSX exclusives in the launch window.
But it does crack me up that people here actually peddled this fantasy that "every game is scalable" and "scaling between generations doesn't hold the stronger hardware back in any way."
But it does crack me up that people here actually peddled this fantasy that "every game is scalable" and "scaling between generations doesn't hold the stronger hardware back in any way."
MasterCornholio
Member
I also have the theory that they gave out the information early because Sony wasn't making any noise back then. Once Sony started to talk about the PS5 you can clearly see how Microsoft's voice was drowned out a bit.
Bryank75
Banned
There is a confluence of issues.... Game Pass is not what many big publishers want from a platform holder, at least not until they have extracted day 1 sales and much of the value after that, Xbox has a smaller base and sells far less games and Game Pass eats into that because it provides more games every month so people do not have to buy and are more willing to wait, Xbox has too many SKU's with too many performance targets... XB1 @ 1.3, XB1X @ 6, XB1S and soon XBSX and XBSS... all to be supported.
So a game publisher will just take a deal, even if it isn't that much money (might cover marketing) from PlayStation and publish it on PS4/5 because it offers far better prospects for Day 1 sales which are the most lucrative and therefore most important.
I know many people know this but it's no harm to write out all the issues and how they relate to the overall picture of where the industry is.
Bryank75
Banned
Most developers start from their vision, not from the minimum spec sheet though....
Yeah , but scaling up and down should be something that they should be comfortable with since they have been doing that for the last 4 years with those 4 consoles.
GreyHand23
Member
He only said it because he knew they had nothing. None of their games will be ready for years.
LarknThe4th
Member
There messaging was, is and will continue to be confusing around the transition from Xbox one to the "series range"
I never understood it, may leave that old machine behind.
I never understood it, may leave that old machine behind.
Bryank75
Banned
Still a lot more work... all those needless elevators and cracks in walls need textures and artists and resources, sounds etc.... I just think about Fallen Order and all of those things....
So maybe you see what I'm getting at?
Gamerguy84
Member
This reminds me of the PS3 launch. Fumbled messaging, trying to come to grips with hardware, no big flagship titles at launch.
Of course it took PS3 half the generation to turn it around and XB can do the same.
Of course it took PS3 half the generation to turn it around and XB can do the same.
Krisprolls
Banned
Everything is hard for Microsoft. From Zune to Windows Phone to Mixer to Xbox. They don't succeed very often.
(But to their credit, when they do, it's huge, like Windows or Azure.)
sainraja
Member
It is fine to point that out but Microsoft made it a point to mention that cross-generation support is something they will be doing (when it's always been the case, at-least initially). They have also been the ones to say they want you to be able to play your games anywhere, which includes Xbox One. That's the messaging they've been giving. You can't blame people for believing that when their recent announcements have started to contradict that (as you are pointing out.)
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Yep another Microsoft FUD thread third party can make nextgen only games only if they wish. The only ones forcing cross generation is their boss not Microsoft but keep on console waring.
PresetError
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This needs to stop. I'm tired of the constant asking and quoting anonymous developers about next gen consoles and extraoplating their feedback to spread narratives. It's not beneficial for anyone and it's creating a toxic environment. We are 3 monts away from next gen, let the games speak for themselves or be very specific about who complains about what and why so we can at least have a conversation instead of a tennis match.
Krisprolls
Banned
Ok, but where is the fun ?
alabtrosMyster
Banned
They need to have them run on many different targets when they release on the PS5 as well (PS4/PRO, xbox one/X sometimes the Switch).
Sony was even able to show PS5 footage of indie titles running on their hardware (Kena is indie isn't it? PS4/PRO and PC as well... likely on xbox after the paid console exclusivity).
I still think something is off at xbox right now.
Given how the 1st party event was I think starting with the third party event was not such a bad idea anyway... but I must admit they started pretty well.
I wish I was a fly on the wall, there must be pretty tense discussions going on right now.
PresetError
Neophyte
In playing games?
I can see where your getting at. This all comes down to that required work being planned for .
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reinking
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I honestly think they started reacting to Sony. If they had maintained a narrative that they were driving this generation I think they would have been much better off. Instead, we started seeing them trying to react to Sony's shows. That, or something even bigger than Halo Infinite is not coming together behind the scenes. I hope they find their footing and finish strong (and I am not talking about a weaker system Series S announcement). I want both big consoles to come out swinging.
MrFunSocks
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But this isn’t Microsoft we’re talking about, so what you said is completely irrelevant. We’re talking about third party companies choosing to make a game for both the Xbox one/PS4 generation and next gen.
If there’s one MS first party studio I wouldn’t be doubting, it’s Playground Games. They have had nothing but absolutely stellar games released. Their games are some of the highest rated games of the generation, right up there with Sony first parties, actually higher than most.
Xbox has 2 SKUs for next gen, sony has one. Supposedly the only difference will be your game will max out at 1080p on the S but can be higher on the X, since it’s reportedly the same CPU and GPU just with less CUs on the GPU. It’s literally supposed to be a 1080p Series X, so it’s really only 1 SKU for developers.
Why do people on here all of a sudden believe that Microsoft are FORCING all developers to support the Xbox One? It’s complete rubbish. The Series X has third party exclusives at release ffs. Developers don’t have to make games for the XB1.
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3liteDragon
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MrFunSocks
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But Microsoft haven’t contradicted anything, and this article isn’t about Microsoft. They said that all their first party games for the next 2 years will be on Xbox one as well. That’s it. As far as we know, Infinite is the only first party game coming in the next 2 years, and like they said, it’s releasing on Xbox one and will also work on the Series X.
People in here seem to be confused and lacking critical thinking. Third parties say they struggle to make games for the one and the Series X, but third parties don’t have to make games cross generation. No one is asking or forcing them to. People in here are somehow reading the title of the article and interpreting it as all games releasing on the Series X also have to release on the One, when that is complete bullshit.
Think for a second: If the maker of the console don't have enough faith in the console to make exclusives for it why would 3rd party publishers jump out the window & make exclusives for it?
MrFunSocks
Banned
That makes no sense lol. Microsoft are making exclusives for it - Fable, Forza, Everwild, etc. It looks like they’ve dropped the ball with their first party atm because it genuinely looks like for the next 2 years they only have halo infinite releasing, and that’s shocking, but it doesn’t show that they have no confidence in the Series X because they also have no first party games releasing on the One.
Do you even understand what the difference is between Microsoft saying any first party games they release in the next 2 years will be cross gen, and third parties CHOOSING to support previous generation consoles?
I know you’re notoriously “team blue”, but your concern trolling here is so painfully obvious that it’s embarrassing.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Don’t forget the Xbox One launch. Great lineup of launch games but overpriced and underpowered. Look how that went.
Now they have the power, potentially the price, but not a good launch line. I can’t feel too bad about them taking the opposite approach to last gen.
Boy no one is concern trolling I'm telling you facts if MS isn't releasing exclusives for the console in the 1st few years why would 3rd party publishers be making exclusives for it?