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[Hobbygaming]

But the market is going to change with the introduction of cheaper barrier to entry and instant cloud gaming. Also the xbox ecosystem is spreading into the pc gaming space too. Its no wonder sony have selected microsoft for their azure servers. Even they see this coming. It also explains why they have allegedly sought to seek 3rd party exclusives.

I think it's too early to assume this

As I see it right now, most gamers are more excited about the local hardware, not cloud gaming

 

[Tomeru]

If FS is "barely a game" then just think about what that makes something like TLOU2.

More game than FS?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

But the market is going to change with the introduction of cheaper barrier to entry and instant cloud gaming. Also the xbox ecosystem is spreading into the pc gaming space too. Its no wonder sony have selected microsoft for their azure servers. Even they see this coming. It also explains why they have allegedly sought to seek 3rd party exclusives.

I explained why it makes perfect sense to buy third party timed exclusives when they are at their cheapest. I wish you luck in hitching your wagon to Gamepass, Xbox has nothing else left.

And Xbox ecosystem on PC? i will believe it when I see it. PC had been used by Xbox fans as an excuse for anything and everything because they assume Playstation customers don't know what PC gaming is like either. All the while people who do play on PC know it is all rubbish. "Scale down", anyone?

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Calverz]

The idea that MS offers 'gameplay' and Sony only 'cinematic experiences'

Yeah, the point of Sony's dominance this gen is everyone is playing these AA and GAAS titles on their PS4, made by third parties or Sony themselves.

PS5 will be:

1. Marquee AAA titles
2. AA experiences from Jap. devs and other partnerships
3. AA and AAA GAAS titles from 3rd parties

It's a potent mix and so far it looks like Series X will only offer number 3, made by themselves or 3rd parties, which can all be played on your Xbox One or PC, I might add.

Since when is halo, fable, gears, forza, and not to mention stuff in the pipeline NOT “Marquee AAA titles”. hillarious post.

 

[Calverz]

I explained why it makes perfect sense to buy third party timed exclusives when they are at their cheapest. I wish you luck in hitching your wagon to Gamepass, Xbox has nothing else left.

And Xbox ecosystem on PC? i will believe it when I see it. PC had been used by Xbox fans as an excuse for anything and everything because they assume Playstation customers don't know what PC gaming is like either. All the while people who do play on PC know it is all rubbish. "Scale down", anyone?

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

You do realise when people buy a windows 10 pc, by default they get an xbox account by signing in with a microsoft account and are then always on xbl unless they switch it off and sign out?
Do your research and get out of your playstation echo chamber.

 

[Thirty7ven]

You do realise when people buy a windows 10 pc, by default they get an xbox account by signing in with a microsoft account and are then always on xbl unless they switch it off and sign out?
Do your research and get out of your playstation echo chamber.

So you're telling me everyone with a Windows 10 PC is a XBL user? Yikes, so those XBL user numbers are even more bullshit than everyone thought?

It's funny that an open platform is now being "adopted". PC is not Xbox, but the Xbox division does have a stake on the platform, that's true.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I honestly think this guy takes the piss. You cant take him seriously.
I think next gen you will slowly see sony go the nintendo route where they will rely heavily on exclusive content to sell hardware. So you buy a ps5 for the ezclusive single player stuff and for everything else, you go with the xbox since it will deliver better MP experiences and 3rd party stuff will look a lot better. And with xcloud and gamepass, it opens up these experiences to a lot more people with limited budgets. The ps5 will become a luxury item. Nothing wrong with this but its part of the xbox plan.

Why would I buy an xbox? What am I missing? (I got a PC though). Tell me about the amazing games that I'm missing and I'll be grateful, but I would wake up from the fantasy world you're in first before that.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Since when is halo, fable, gears, forza, and not to mention stuff in the pipeline NOT “Marquee AAA titles”. hillarious post.

Actually I was meant to put 'marquee AAA SP titles'. Halo: Infinite may have had the rumoured budget but it's focus is online multiplayer and an experience that will be updated over time. Gears similarly, the SP campaign will likely be relegated to the sidelines. I think the days of MS battling on equal footing against Sony in single player AAA games is over I'm afraid.

The point is, PS5 will have those staple exclusive games and all the AA and GAAS titles you could possibly eat from their smaller studios or 3rd parties, who are king of GAAS.

 

[Apollo Helios]

Do you not understand that the entire psychics model is based upon real world conditions, this isn't GTA son...

Mmmm yeah uh huh.... what were you saying?

 

[GymWolf]

so the new fable, hb2, new AAAA game from the other devs (the initiative?) etc. are not gonna clash against sony exclusives?

i don't believe this guy tbh.

not that M had a lot of great exclusives during this current gen (forza saga, ori 1-2 and maybe gears 5) but they bought many quality studios to put a patch on this problem.

let's see first how the big games are gonna shape.

if anything, i'm glad they didn't had anything to show for these big games, it means that they are not rushing stuff, they know that for a game like gow or horizon 5-7 years of develpment are needed.

You can't create BIG AAA quality games in 2-3 years.

 

[Calverz]

Why would I buy an xbox? What am I missing? (I got a PC though). Tell me about the amazing games that I'm missing and I'll be grateful, but I would wake up from the fantasy world you're in first before that.

You’ve got a PC. Therefore you can buy the games there and that makes you an xbox user. Xbox is no longer defined by hardware sales. This is the approach they are taking and its great for eveyone. You and I. And you can subscribe to gamepass which also makes you an xbox gamer. Or pay full price for the titles on steam. Either way xbox wins. Xbox is becoming so much bigger than just console sales. If i dont buy a ps5, then sony get absolutely nothing from me unless they out more games on pc.

 

[Leyasu]

Wow pretty surprising statement coming from Jez considering how favorable he is toward Xbox.
Considering what he said I think it can be based on 3 scenarios:
1. Microsoft doesn't want to invest a lot in their studios (highly unlikely considering they've buying here and there)
2.MS new strategie is the invest in smaller games but more frequent publishing(highly probable considering gamepass)
3.There's some kind of inherent problem between Ms and their studios(probable but exactly as probable as Sony and Nintendo)

So it is probably more a shift toward smaller but more frequent games to keep gamepass interesting.Which seems to be, considering their shift of vision, the most interesting way for them if they can manage to make those games interesting enough.
There can be some downside though because it seems like studios will have a much tighter planning.But it can also easily recoup the cost of a comercially failed game which isn't really the case for sony games for example.

I just hope they can pull some great bigger games from time to time simply because i'd like to eat at a good restaurant once a month rather than going to Mcdonald every 2 days (not saying htey will churn out bad games but reduced dev time and smaller ambition seems a given in this scenari).

This nonsense and trolling.

If the next RPGs from Obsidian, playground and inexile are 10-12h affairs, then I will come back and apologise. But when they are released and bigger than that with great production values, you and your ilk are going to have to come up with something else.

Gears 5 already disproved this, yet here we are with the same idiotic nonsense from the same fanboys.

Something else to ponder. 12 studios on 3yr dev cycles can launch a major game every 4 months. There will be some outliers like RPGs taking a bit longer, or poorly managed studious like 343 offsetting things though. Mojang would not be included either. How many studios does microsoft have again?

 

[Calverz]

Actually I was meant to put 'marquee AAA SP titles'. Halo: Infinite may have had the rumoured budget but it's focus is online multiplayer and an experience that will be updated over time. Gears similarly, the SP campaign will likely be relegated to the sidelines. I think the days of MS battling on equal footing against Sony in single player AAA games is over I'm afraid.

The point is, PS5 will have those staple exclusive games and all the AA and GAAS titles you could possibly eat from their smaller studios or 3rd parties, who are king of GAAS.

Ah yes....the old “move the goalposts to suit my argument tactic”. Been there, done that, got the tshirt. And good for sony! If i want to play a 20 hour game and then trade it in because there is nothing left to do, then i can do that with ps5 which i intend to buy.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Mmmm yeah uh huh.... what were you saying?

Let's not count PC games as xbox games now.

You’ve got a PC. Therefore you can buy the games there and that makes you an xbox user. Xbox is no longer defined by hardware sales. This is the approach they are taking and its great for eveyone. You and I. And you can subscribe to gamepass which also makes you an xbox gamer. Or pay full price for the titles on steam. Either way xbox wins. Xbox is becoming so much bigger than just console sales. If i dont buy a ps5, then sony get absolutely nothing from me unless they out more games on pc.

Who the fuck buys games on xbox live if it's not for a handful of games? Ever heard of Steam, Epic Games, EA, Uplay, etc? By the way, I don't play games on it, but probably the next Forza Horizon if it pulls my attention enough. Was anticipating Halo but it's a flop, just like Star Citizen. I deleted all the xbox apps on my Windows 10, too much spam.

 

[Apollo Helios]

But yeah, MS doesn't need to copy Sony's 1st-party formula of 3rd-party, over-the-shoulder, "cinematic" single-player games. To be perfectly honest, most of the stories in Sony's games of that ilk aren't very good. TLOU2 is one of the biggest clusterf**ks of a story I've seen in a long time. If it were a movie it'd be a Netflix deal IMHO.

aaaaaaannnndd you are back on my ignore list buddy! The same time the speculation thread welcomed back everyone with reply bans, I also deleted my ignore list for a clean slate but you know what that has been a terrible mistake on my part (not saying anything on the thread decision) and needs remedying and my second act is getting you back on that ignore list after reading so many terrible takes coming out your ass (*probably).

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I remember a time where if you wanted a good shooter you went XBOX or PC because PSX and PS2 just didn't really offer that. Then PS3 put out Resistance, Killzone 2, Uncharted and TLOU while 360 was giving us bad Gears sequels and Halo In Name Only entries. As a shooter fan the upcoming slate from both is a bit lacking, though. I guess if you're more about MP you could go XBOX but for me if I want to play shooters in MP I'll go with CSGO or Battlefield 1 on my PC, I like the rich campaign experience and even though Halo Infinite doesn't look very next-gen I'm hoping it offers that. I just find it interesting that people act like either console is only capable of certain games, when that idea has switched before, remember when 360 was the place to go for Japanese games? Remember when Sony was legit producing enough platformers to try and compete with Nintendo? For me it's about shooter games, I like shooting people, I like either the extreme chaos of a Battlefield MP or the high end skill of a CS, for campaigns though I just want something really well done with flashy graphics too! Can't either of them do that for me?

 

[Calverz]

Let's not count PC games as xbox games now.



Who the fuck buys games on xbox live if it's not for a handful of games? Ever heard of Steam, Epic Games, EA, Uplay, etc? By the way, I don't play games on it, but probably the next Forza Horizon if it pulls my attention enough. Was anticipating Halo but it's a flop, just like Star Citizen. I deleted all the xbox apps on my Windows 10, too much spam.

Steam......hmmmm....pretty sure Xbox games are on steam. And the next Halo is a flop? Wow such insight, can you tell me what it plays like, the story? Can you tell me where you got your time machine from?

Your posts in this thread and others are hillarious. I think you are the biggest sony fan iv ever met. Congratulations! Maybe they will send you a thank card for “fighting the good fight”! Lol

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Steam......hmmmm....pretty sure Xbox games are on steam. And the next Halo is a flop? Wow such insight, can you tell me what it plays like, the story? Can you tell me where you got your time machine from?

Your posts in this thread and others are hillarious. I think you are the biggest sony fan iv ever met. Congratulations! Maybe they will send you a thank card for “fighting the good fight”! Lol

I hope that PS1 startup screenshot doesn't rub you the wrong way, and glad you are having fun at my posts. Enjoy.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

PS4 exclusives have been consistently charting as yearly best sellers for a while now. I think they're doing fine

What's foolish is chasing after a market built on staple IPs that have been nurtured for decades

I always bristle at the "X shouldn't chase trends" crowd.

The market is constantly changing. If Sony can't keep up, they'll be left behind.

Or as Henry Ford once said, "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."

 

[hyperbertha]

If MS is going to focus on Gaas they truly are hopeless. They better capitalize hard on the single player potential provided by all their acquisitions.

Gaas sure gives revenue from the whales and it might make them richer in the short run, but if they ever want to get to Sony's and Nintendo's level of prestige and loyal fanbases, they need the GOTY single player heavy hitters because the casuals that spend all day playing lowest common denominator multiplayer will just move on to the next big Gaas attraction 3 months down the line.

Online services are oversaturated and a very cutthroat business. Maintaining interest in such titles for the long run is going to be more dependent on luck than anything else, and will take far more effort than singleplayer games overall. Just look at the scrambling going on at blizzard and Ubisoft to maintain their gaas games.

 

[azertydu91]

This nonsense and trolling.

If the next RPGs from Obsidian, playground and inexile are 10-12h affairs, then I will come back and apologise. But when they are released and bigger than that with great production values, you and your ilk are going to have to come up with something else.

Gears 5 already disproved this, yet here we are with the same idiotic nonsense from the same fanboys.

Something else to ponder. 12 studios on 3yr dev cycles can launch a major game every 4 months. There will be some outliers like RPGs taking a bit longer, or poorly managed studious like 343 offsetting things though. Mojang would not be included either. How many studios does microsoft have again?

I'm not saying they will be small (which so much people seems to have trouble understanding whan it's plainly written ... weird).Just that you can't use games that we basically know and have seen nothing about to prove the ambition.

Is it so hard to understand for some of you that a CGI, no gameplay and barely any information can't constitute a proof ?

So I'm trolling now for saying we don't know enough about these games to be considered big/ small or anything.

Are you that obtuse or really not wanting to understand basic logic?

Maybe take a step back and ask yourself what is the difference between a disagrement of opinion and trolling.
I would've been trolling if I had said something like they will only release indies-like games akin to minesweeper ...See the diference?
I just said that their vision of more frequent publications can only lead to either smaller dev time or smaller budget which is logical whith their gamepass strategy.
And honestly considering where they are heading in the gaming business it's probably the most coherent and smart decision they've made in recent years.
But as a vision we still need to wait and see if it pays off.

And the ambition of a game is not defined by the times played I spent probably 200 hours on Binding of Isaac yet it is still a very small indie game.
And I finished Gow 3 in something like 10 hours yet it is a very AAA game.
Maybe you misunderstood simply becuse you have a distorted perception of what I meant by "smaller games" I did not refer to time spent but more about ambition something that if MS want to release games every 3/4 months will need to be reduced.
Was that so hard to understand ?

 

[TBiddy]

It's not FUD. Name me games that will only be released on Series X, no PC version, no XB1 version.

You seem confused by their own policy. After XB1 cross compatibility is over in 2022, PC will still see all their first party games.

Third parties will be on PC, PS5, Switch, this is not a revelatio is it?

Let's just go back to your original post:

Huh? I'm saying all games on Series X are cross released on PC and XB1, as is their policy.

You're now moving the goalposts. The above quote is 100% wrong, which you know, and now you're trying to make it look like you were stating something completely different.

Mmmm yeah uh huh.... what were you saying?

That's a 14 year old game. Nice try though.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Mmmm yeah uh huh.... what were you saying?

Hey, hey, hey stop disparaging Flight Simulator, it's an AAA-A system seller for Xbox

Spoiler

if you look like this guy

:

I can imagine it now; MS prepping a Flight Simulator ad during half time of the Champions League final. That'll make people sit up off their chairs, point at the screen and scream 'I WANT THAT SIMULATOR...NOW!!!' This is the secret weapon of the console war.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I always bristle at the "X shouldn't chase trends" crowd.

The market is constantly changing. If Sony can't keep up, they'll be left behind.

Or as Henry Ford once said, "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."

This is a bit worthless no? PlayStation is 3/4 at >100 million. What are you even saying? You think in this magical future you’re concocting in your imagination, PlayStation gets left behind because it’s made for people playing games in the 90s?

It’s Xbox that has a lot to prove, not the other way around.

The biggest gaas games are also on PlayStation. MS and Sony aren’t the only ones making games ffs

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This is a bit worthless no? PlayStation is 3/4 at >100 million. What are you even saying? You think in this magical future you’re concocting in your imagination, PlayStation gets left behind because it’s made for people playing games in the 90s?

It’s Xbox that has a lot to prove, not the other way around.

The biggest gaas games are also on PlayStation. MS and Sony aren’t the only ones making games ffs

Not really. I'm saying if Sony doesn't have a pulse on the industry, they'll be left behind.

Horses dominated human transportation for how many centuries? Then the automobile was invented, people ridiculed it for a few years, and then the horse was left behind.

Sony's linear, cinematic, single player games only have so much appeal. Social, sandbox gaming is the early automobile.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sony's linear, cinematic, single player games only have so much appeal. Social, sandbox gaming is the early automobile.

You clearly have been living under a rock. Guess what, the biggest game in the world is Fortnite.

Online games being the biggest games in the industry isn’t an innovation being brought by MS lol

Ever since World of Warcraft and Second life that online focused games have been the biggest. GTA online is how many years old? League of Legends? Minecraft? The Sims? Call of Duty? Destiny? FIFA? Etc etc

Your analogy sucks by the way. Single player cinematic games don’t dominate the gaming industry at all, and haven’t for a really long time.

 

[oldergamer]

Yeah and those from Sony are the best, and the MP games from xbox you know where they sit in the MP field. If you're a MP guy, 3rd party got you covered, but singleplayer you won't find something better than PS 1st and 3rd part exclusives.

Are they the best? They have a few hits, but most of them are pretty mediocre. I'm sure you think Knack is a hit or the order was a hit, or other titles that were flops. No 3rd party does no have you covered for multiplayer. Easily the best multiplayer games on xbox are games MS has developed.

 

[Calverz]

I hope that PS1 startup screenshot doesn't rub you the wrong way, and glad you are having fun at my posts. Enjoy.

No not at all. I loved the PS1. I can hear your avatar.....

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

You clearly have been living under a rock. Guess what, the biggest game in the world is Fortnite.

Online games being the biggest games in the industry isn’t an innovation being brought by MS lol

Ever since World of Warcraft and Second life that online focused games have been the biggest. GTA online is how many years old? League of Legends? Minecraft? The Sims?

Your analogy sucks by the way.

It's not a binary topic.

Multiplayer, sandbox gaming is growing significantly faster than Sony's linear cinematic type games.

Fortnite is the Model T.

The Last of Us II is Seabiscuit.

If Fortnite is the Model T, what does the Volkswagen Beatle, Chevy Corvette, or Tesla Model S look like?

We're marching towards Ready Player One, and it isn't going to be a Sony style game. Sony needs to get on board or be left behind.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

It's not a binary topic.

Multiplayer, sandbox gaming is growing significantly faster than Sony's linear cinematic type games.

Fortnite is the Model T.

The Last of Us II is Seabiscuit.

If Fortnite is the Model T, what does the Volkswagen Beatle, Chevy Corvette, or Tesla Model S look like?

We're marching towards Ready Player One, and it isn't going to be a Sony style game. Sony needs to get on board or be left behind.

This is like saying all movies should try and be MCU when they don't need a billion dollars to be successful and can't possibly bank on such success. How long has Fortnite been number 1 with nothing touching it?

 

[MilkyJoe]

Nothing to do with 'quality' as the OP has worded their post... (sneaky as fuck).

All he's saying is those type of games are not what MS exclusives are about.

And he's right. It's one of the reasons I personally prefer Xbox these days!

Yep, and thank god for variety

 

[YeulEmeralda]

If GamePass won't be profitable with subscription money the only alternative is microtransactions, right?

(This poster bought the infamous "Horse armour" and is wanted by Interpol for this heinous crime).

 

[BattleScar]

People talk about a multiplayer focus, as if multiplatform games such as Fortnite, Apex Legends, Call of Duty, and so on, don't exist and aren't orders of magnitude more popular than any exclusive multiplayer game.

Times have shifted a great deal from the Halo 3 days.

Microsoft are investing in studios such as Obsidian Soft and Ninja Theory exactly for this reason.
Why dedicate your platform to multiplayer games when more popular multiplayer titles exist across all platforms. People need a reason to own your platform specifically. That's where the single player games come into play.

You need a diverse range of games. Sony knows this, Microsoft knows this. Heck even Nintendo knows this (they just don't need to care with their evergreen franchises).

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This is like saying all movies should try and be MCU when they don't need a billion dollars to be successful and can't possibly bank on such success. How long has Fortnite been number 1 with nothing touching it?

I hate the comparison to movies. Games are an entirely different beast. It's almost insulting to compare the two.

If anything should be compared, it's Sony's single player games to Marvel's Avengers. They're both extremely linear experiences with poor replay value. Neither taps into what makes gaming so special, the controller. Choice is gamings future, not cutscenes.

 

[quest]

This is like saying all movies should try and be MCU when they don't need a billion dollars to be successful and can't possibly bank on such success. How long has Fortnite been number 1 with nothing touching it?

That has been my point Microsoft should do things differently. Do things like avowed, gears tactics. Forza horizon, fable, grounded and project mara. A game can be great with out following the Sony formula. I rather see diversity in gaming than everyone copy Sony.

 

[EverydayBeast]

We don’t know if M$ can pull off an exclusive outside of Halo it’s the most talked about FPS and it could finally win game of the year master chief continues to destroy haters

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's not a binary topic.

Multiplayer, sandbox gaming is growing significantly faster than Sony's linear cinematic type games.

Fortnite is the Model T.

The Last of Us II is Seabiscuit.

If Fortnite is the Model T, what does the Volkswagen Beatle, Chevy Corvette, or Tesla Model S look like?

We're marching towards Ready Player One, and it isn't going to be a Sony style game. Sony needs to get on board or be left behind.

God of War is the 8th best selling PS4 game of all time in the US. Stop this nonsense

 

[Shinobitron]

I don't think xbox not having many exclusives is a bad thing, they have their system seller and that makes their fans happy. ps4 Exclusives sell me because they seem to keep creating imo fun story focused games.

Game pass and 3rd party games and some crossovers will catch the classic Xbox fans eye, and they seem to do well with their multiplayer shooters and looters (which I hate) but it does the job for some.

 

[Tomeru]

It's not a binary topic.

Multiplayer, sandbox gaming is growing significantly faster than Sony's linear cinematic type games.

Fortnite is the Model T.

The Last of Us II is Seabiscuit.

If Fortnite is the Model T, what does the Volkswagen Beatle, Chevy Corvette, or Tesla Model S look like?

We're marching towards Ready Player One, and it isn't going to be a Sony style game. Sony needs to get on board or be left behind.

You watch too much anime.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

God of War is the 8th best selling PS4 game of all time in the US. Stop this nonsense

And horses are beautiful animals that can pull a shit ton of weight and run 45 mph.

But the automobile is being iterated upon and it's leaving horses behind.

Note: Sony's single player games do have one advantage. They're incredibly safe to make. There's not much risk as their market is constantly thirsting for new games. Multiplayer sandbox games can and do fail at much higher rates. But great risk bring great reward.

 

[Malakhov]

It's pretty obvious. Xbox titles are mostly titles you can play on the PC as well. Their first party games cept a few are good but nowhere near PlayStations

 

[TBiddy]

We don’t know if M$ can pull off an exclusive outside of Halo it’s the most talked about FPS and it could finally win game of the year master chief continues to destroy haters

Honest question. Are you a bot?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

And horses are beautiful animals that can pull a shit ton of weight and run 45 mph.

But the automobile is being iterated upon and it's leaving horses behind.

Note: Sony's single player games do have one advantage. They're incredibly safe to make. There's not much risk as their market is constantly thirsting for new games. Multiplayer sandbox games can and do fail at much higher rates. But great risk bring great reward.

Sony don't make their games with the purpose of recurring revenue. They do them to differentiate the platform to get the recurring revenue from all the third party games, including those that are GaaS.

In which case, no, they don't need to chase after GaaS. They should invest in that market of course, which they are, but it should not be the focus. Unlike Single Player games, their studios will be fighting over market share.

 

[Tomeru]

And horses are beautiful animals that can pull a shit ton of weight and run 45 mph.

But the automobile is being iterated upon and it's leaving horses behind.

Note: Sony's single player games do have one advantage. They're incredibly safe to make. There's not much risk as their market is constantly thirsting for new games. Multiplayer sandbox games can and do fail at much higher rates. But great risk bring great reward.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Has there ever been any special deals through Gamepass? I would assume that any money on offer to developers would be for use in Gamepass. I assume as time goes on that developers will be asking for more and more money in exchange for rights to have their game in Gamepass.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I hate the comparison to movies. Games are an entirely different beast. It's almost insulting to compare the two.

If anything should be compared, it's Sony's single player games to Marvel's Avengers. They're both extremely linear experiences with poor replay value. Neither taps into what makes gaming so special, the controller. Choice is gamings future, not cutscenes.

You're the one making a very weird comparison, I'm talking money. It'd be the same if I told you you don't set out to make Kanye West money in the music industry or you don't set out to make Stephen King money as an author. You're asking why more companies don't set out to be Fortnite like that's some easily attainable goal they could just plan for.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It's not a binary topic.

You’re making it one. Ready Player One had VR... and the movie sucked. And if it ever became real there would only be one game in the world and we would all live in trailer parks.

Your whole argument is ridiculous, and doesn’t make a lick of sense.

But picking up on your shitty analogies, maybe the future is Westworld. Oh noes, the machines will be out to get us!

 

[JonnyMP3]

People talk about a multiplayer focus, as if multiplatform games such as Fortnite, Apex Legends, Call of Duty, and so on, don't exist and aren't orders of magnitude more popular than any exclusive multiplayer game.

Times have shifted a great deal from the Halo 3 days.

Microsoft are investing in studios such as Obsidian Soft and Ninja Theory exactly for this reason.
Why dedicate your platform to multiplayer games when more popular multiplayer titles exist across all platforms. People need a reason to own your platform specifically. That's where the single player games come into play.

You need a diverse range of games. Sony knows this, Microsoft knows this. Heck even Nintendo knows this (they just don't need to care with their evergreen franchises).

This. All the talk of Xbox being 'Multiplayer' and yet apart from those that still hold onto Halo, what shooters is it known for?
Yeah Halo was once the world's biggest multiplayer shooting game... But so was Quake at one point.
Fact is that Halo had its MP crown taken from Call of Duty and never got it back. COD has been the de-facto MP shooting king for a decade!
Even when it was on the wane and losing popularity, they did some magic and BOOM! Warzone is now HUGE.
And then as also said, Fortnite is the worlds biggest and most popular shooting game atm that generates billions of revenue.
Then you have Apex Legends which is also ridiculously popular.
There's also Destiny 2. Valorant. Overwatch. All 3rd party and all available on PS too.
How are Xbox going to conquer ALL of those games?

There's a bit of an arrogant not letting go of the past view that Xbox is somehow the machine for multiplayer games?
Is it still 2009 in some of your heads?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Sony don't make their games with the purpose of recurring revenue. They do them to differentiate the platform to get the recurring revenue from all the third party games, including those that are GaaS.

In which case, no, they don't need to chase after GaaS. They should invest in that market of course, which they are, but it should not be the focus. Unlike Single Player games, their studios will be fighting over market share.

Yep. For some reason Xbox customers tend to completely neglect the 30% revenue that third parties bring to a platform. Which is insane since that is what kept console gaming going this long. These days we have PS+ and whatnot, but the 30% from third parties is still the reason why you sell consoles. Thus Sony is very much profiting from GaaS, including Fortnite.

On the other hand, if MS was to one day stop selling hardware, they would lose their 30% entirely. Which is why i interpret all the GaaS direction as MS planning to get out of the console business. If Xbox one day don't have a console, then Fortnite become the Xbox division's competitor rather than ally.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

You're the one making a very weird comparison, I'm talking money. It'd be the same if I told you you don't set out to make Kanye West money in the music industry or you don't set out to make Stephen King money as an author. You're asking why more companies don't set out to be Fortnite like that's some easily attainable goal they could just plan for.

Oh, no. I never insinuated that making the next Fortnite would be easy. I'm saying that's the direction the industry is headed. But making automobiles are relatively difficult compared to raising a horse.

Difficulty doesn't have much relevance here. Fortune favors the bold.