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Kagey K
Banned
Felix gives some details of how it works around the 42:00 mark. No numbers or anything, but gives some info about the process.
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Deleted member 471617
Unconfirmed Member
Agree with YongYea as the value of Game Pass does in fact get more insane. For me, it's my #3 reason as to why im going with Xbox Series X as my primary gaming console for next generation.
A prefect example is The Medium. I'm very interested in the game but not to where im 100% all in with the game and thus, will not buy the game for $50 but for a $10 monthly rental, okay, I'll give the game a legitimate chance because it does intrigue me with the dual reality aspect but not at $50.
A prefect example is The Medium. I'm very interested in the game but not to where im 100% all in with the game and thus, will not buy the game for $50 but for a $10 monthly rental, okay, I'll give the game a legitimate chance because it does intrigue me with the dual reality aspect but not at $50.
longdi
Banned
Sorta!
I mean you pay a few dollars monthly and get access to a yuge library of games, where in old times you need to pay $40-60, each, without sales.
Insane value.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
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Casuals / kids now a days have plenty of f2p games, they won't bother with a recurring 15$ a month, you can get 1 full game (discounted, or used). By the end of the 1st year you could have two full 60$ AAA games + 5 15$ games! (yes 7), and you would get to keep those games... and you get to choose the games you buy from ALL the games ever released, some are even cheaper.
These youtubers posing as your friends, or somehow having "player's back" aren't always brilliant.
It's very good when looking for confirmation that you may not be insane.
Casuals / kids now a days have plenty of f2p games, they won't bother with a recurring 15$ a month, you can get 1 full game (discounted, or used). By the end of the 1st year you could have two full 60$ AAA games + 5 15$ games! (yes 7), and you would get to keep those games... and you get to choose the games you buy from ALL the games ever released, some are even cheaper.
These youtubers posing as your friends, or somehow having "player's back" aren't always brilliant.
DeadOblivion78
Member
Sure, the value is great, but there is nothing compelling for me personally in Game Pass.
BusierDonkey
Member
I wish I'd had Gamepass as a kid. I used to rent single NES games at $7 each for the weekend. I would have gladly forked over $15 a month for access to 200 games (even in 1980's dollars).
My PC gaming is now just about equally divided between Gamepass titles and Steam. I've even bought a few Gamepass games that I wouldn't have even played without Gamepass giving me an easy way to try so many new games.
My PC gaming is now just about equally divided between Gamepass titles and Steam. I've even bought a few Gamepass games that I wouldn't have even played without Gamepass giving me an easy way to try so many new games.
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ZywyPL
Banned
Just as every development studio is being paid, by monthly salaries. It's the publisher(s) whose revenue depends on the sales, not the devs, their salaries are fixed, they can receive a bonus if a game does well, but that's it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I don't feel like Gamepass is worth 15 bucks a month. I pay €4 a month for the PC version and that's insane value obviously, but I wouldn't pay $15.
turtlepowa
Banned
You are comparing Pc Game Pass to Game Pass Ultimate, also the 4 bucks is a limited time offer. Regular price is 9,99 just like the console Game Pass.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s so weird to see some people failing to understand something that is incredibly basic.
Value is perception of.
Nintendo games don’t drop in price. Think about that.
Value is perception of.
Nintendo games don’t drop in price. Think about that.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I am also amused at the sudden switch in tune from "power!" to "Value!"
Sony cares about offering value of course; but they do it via massive discounts of old games and continued discounts of previous gen hardware. I would not be surprised if PS4 Superslim become $199 this Novermber. However Sony also know that many of their customers have the money but not as much time to play, and for those customers Sony offer Quality instead.
In theory, all-you-can-eat buffets offer infinite value. But there is a reason buffets as a business model didn't take over the restaurant business. Sometimes you don't want to stuff your face.
SaucyJack
Member
Where steam sales and massive backlogs also exist.
Justin9mm
Member
The Alien
Banned
Somewhat. Otherwise they wouldn't make a new console. They will also be selling consoles through theinAccess payment plan...and will soon be announcing the cheap Series S - ideal for GamePass.You guys don’t seem to understand the more consoles sold the more people will buy into gamepass. If the same people just re sub then there won’t be any growth. So console sales are very important to Microsoft don’t let them fool you
But clearly they are venturing into a larger, untapped market...PC gaming space. All the work they've dont to get games onto Steam (3 of top 5 current games are MS Studio games). They also have GamePass for PC. They should see growth for a long time.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Do you mean that the games on Game Pass itself aren't worth their top value anymore?
Manstructiclops
Banned
'Devalues' games... This is disposable entertainment from an industry that obsoletes itself every 7 years
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Do you know why Bethesda abandoned using PC as the base for their TES series?
It is because PC gaming earns less money than consoles.
I find it hilarious that people are claiming PC is some untapped money mountain. Making money on PC game is hard because customers are far more demanding and have far more competting cheap games to play. If MS is hoping that they would make more money from PC gamers than Console gamers, I say good luck to that.
Seriously, what made you think PC gaming is "untapped"? Because no matter which way i read it, it makes no logical sense.
Hell, I suspect the only reason Sony is releasing Horizon Zero Dawn on PC, is to use it as advertising for the sequel. "You enjoy HZD on PC? Then buy a PS5 if you want the sequel, or wait 7 years. Your choice."
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turtlepowa
Banned
I think they ported it to see how much money they can make with their games on pc. Why should a pc gamer buy a PlayStation for part 2 if he didn't buy it for part 1? And even if they do, Sony won't make much money with pc gamers. Sony makes money with 3rd party games and PS+ and pc gamers can have the games cheaper, with better graphics and free online gaming.
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
Once someone bought a PS5, it is sunk cost and generally they are more likely to buy something else later. The first step, that of buying the console itself, is the biggest barrier. Becoming the owner of a PS5 console massively increase the odds of buying PS5 games than Not.
1st party games are used to convince people to buy the machine. Releasing HZD1 on PC could still do this task, specifically because the sequel is soon to launch and stay a PS5 exclusives for the forseeable hardware generation. This is similar to releasing a movie on TV prior to its sequel film premiering in cinemas.
turtlepowa
Banned
I know what Sony's plans are/were, but i doubt it works too well and even Sony can't know for sure if it does, because they don't know why people bought a console. Worst case for Sony is selling PS5 with a loss and people only getting used exclusives and maybe a warranty case on top. For example i didn't play a single multiplatformer on my PS4 and only used games. Of course there are also people buying a PS4 for let's say Spider-Man and then they bought FIFA and so on. Guess we have to wait if more games are coming to pc and maybe even faster. I Death Stranding and Horizon are a huge success on Steam, i bet we see more.
ZywyPL
Banned
That's a valid point. Many games in many people's eyes simply don't deserve 60$, not even 20-30, and GP or Steam sales where games all of a sudden skyrocket in their playerbase are the best examples that the lower the price the more value the games have.
But I don't think Nintendo is a good example, because if you analyze the situation very closely, they pretty much created a monopoly of their own, where you either buy the games at full price or don't have anything to play, but that's not why you bought their console, right? You cannot go to other console or PC to play the same games, there's no alternative, that's why they make so much money, breaking away from the ordinary powerhouse home console race and taking different path was a true genius move, now they just create markets where they seize total control and have no competition, that's simply brilliant.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
1st Party games are made to sell consoles. With PS4 in its twilight years I suspect PS4 1st party games already did what they could. In general they will get packed into next year's PS4 Superslim basically for free. So if their only future in PS4 is being given away, then selling any number on PC is just gravy.
However, there will not be a rush to release PS5 1st party games on PC. Because on PS5, 1st party games still have a job to do. A job that Xbox has abandoned on their side.
tusharngf
Member
Gamepass has better value but they cant be compared with nintendos first party output. Also its nintendo they can get away with anything these days.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
What you said but didn't make clear, is that Nintendo has QUALITY on their side.
My restaurant analogy applies; if a restaurant advertises how cheap you could feed a family of 5, that is a different goal to someone who want to have an important dinner date. Having a lot for cheap is fine, but it doesn't appeal to everyone. I myself went to an all you could eat Buffet twice, before never going back there.
Andre3Stacks
Banned
That's because it's actually that good.
Andre3Stacks
Banned
I only had a PS4, bought a One X last summer just for Gamepass, same for my buddy. The value is just impossible to ignore. I think Rise or Shadow of the Tomb Raider and NBA 2K20 were PS Plus games of the month in July, those games have been on Gamepass for more than a year or several months already (2K20), I cancelled my PS Plus membership, throwing money out the window since I don't even play online.
Redlancet
Banned
The thing its you get more than these two games for less money and these games dont left the service in six months
sol_bad
Member
I don't think it's insane value.
I generally buy about 5 retail games a year and these are games that you can't get on Gamepass. Beside that I play back catalogue games and emulate games.
If I was paying for Gamepass I'd basically be pissing in the wind because I wouldn't be playing Gamepass games. How do I know this? Because I paid for PS+ for about 3 years and barely touched any of the "free" games, it was just wasted money.
I generally buy about 5 retail games a year and these are games that you can't get on Gamepass. Beside that I play back catalogue games and emulate games.
If I was paying for Gamepass I'd basically be pissing in the wind because I wouldn't be playing Gamepass games. How do I know this? Because I paid for PS+ for about 3 years and barely touched any of the "free" games, it was just wasted money.
Andre3Stacks
Banned
Gears, Ori, Cuphead, Sea of Thieves, Forza Horizon 4, Halo MCC.
Huh what? $10/month for 100+ games is a better deal than $10 per month for 2 games you don't even choose and most are crappy. Also as soon as you stop paying for PS Plus you lose access to those games.
Also most games on Gamepass are there for more than a year and 1st party exclusives are there forever. Interesting you're in this thread but know nothing about the service.
ZywyPL
Banned
Isn't it the case with GP as well?
kikonawa
Member
a few dollars?Sorta!
I mean you pay a few dollars monthly and get access to a yuge library of games, where in old times you need to pay $40-60, each, without sales.
Insane value.
Starbuck2907
Member
The thing to remember is that gamepass is only going to get better as MS first party output improves and even more 3rd party companies join.
This analogy only makes sense if there are Gamepass exclusive games and then everything else. Or if parts get stripped out of games before they arrive on the service.
That doesn't happen. You get the same games on your dinner date as you do at your buffet, only you have to pay more for them at your dinner date.
The Witcher 3 is still a masterpiece on Gamepass, whether you have played it before or not.
If you can't see a single title of interest being added monthly on Gamepass, either you have shocking taste or you just buy a hell of a lot more games than the average person. Maybe you just don't like subscription models. All of those things are fine, but don't act like that means the service is bad or somehow lower quality as a result.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Games lose value over time. This is why Sony was willing to release HZD1 on PC; they can use the game to advertise the sequel.
The only company where games don't lose value is Nintendo. Every other game lose value over time. If Microsoft could have sold as many first party games at 60 dollars as Sony, there wouldn't BE a Gamepass. Gamepass has less desirable games, old games, and indies, available in bulk at a low price that they should be at.
There is nothing wrong in buying bulk for cheap; but there is a reason "Value" isn't used to advertise AAA games.
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So how does this work into your analogy? Quality has nothing to do with cost when it comes to art. Someone playing The Witcher for the first time enjoys it as much as someone who paid much more for it at launch.
They're not getting duped. They're not getting a lesser product. They're just getting it in a different way. Some people will have been patient, some people will have never wanted to play it but tried it out because its effectively free.
Not everybody buys games for sixty dollars. In fact, most people don't. Games arent cars, 'value' is linked to a sliding scale vaguely tied to number of purchases and not wear and tear or sell-by date. That's how it's always worked.
Again, I have no problem with you not needing or liking the service. I do have a problem with you labelling it a buffet, with an implication that you're getting lower quality fare than if you buy outright. It's wrong.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Honestly, I have gotten more value out of PC Gamepass than I have Xbox gamepass. There is a satisfying thrill in playing games like Metro Redux at 4K/60+ and earning achievements and playing Metro Exodus the way it was meant to be played.
I am currently playing Dishonored 2 at 4K/60 on my OLED and it's an experience.
I am currently playing Dishonored 2 at 4K/60 on my OLED and it's an experience.
Shmunter
Member
That does sound enticing. Here’s hoping for next gen bringing the goods like that.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The introduction of achievements to a lot of games on PC seems to be the tipping point for me. Not sure why thats what it took.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It also helps that Xbox Achievements in games does not require something as awful as Games for Windows Live. It's very simple right now.
Redlancet
Banned
Thats not true at all, and also you lose access to all game pass game if you stop paying, Whats your point again?
Oh, i have two xbox x and a one box s, subscribed to game pass since day one, tell me more about what i dont know about game pass x, also a lot of games left the service after six months and others like gtv entered on january and left in May, get Your facts or your will lose your gamepass embassator status
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Which is exactly the same as it is on Gamepass and Xbox Live. The only games MS allowed you to keep was 360 games and even now I am not sure that is the case.
Andre3Stacks
Banned
How about you get Gamepass (for real) and enjoy like more than 10 million gamers or just go cry in silence with your PS plus subscription. What do you think?
The Alien
Banned
"The 2019 revenue included $64.4 billion for mobile games, $29.6 billion for PC, and $15.4 billion for consoles."
The PC market is larger than consoles and yeah, untapped for console makers. Sony and Microsoft have been fighting over the same market for generations. They are both expanding into PC. Its not just HZD coming to PC, all their exclusives are rumored to come there as well.
Sony just invested $250 million dollars into Epic Games. That's a quarter of a billion dollar investment(!!!) into the PC gaming space. Per your logic, only for advertising a console exclusive game? Lol. Thats not how business works, my bro.
Redlancet
Banned
excuse me if give you the impression i will take any advice from you seriously,its not the case just not lie to people ,have a good day son
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Journey
Banned
Exactly!
Comparing GamePass to a cheap buffet lol, GamePass is actually more like a voucher to some of your favorite restaurants.
My favorite restaurant is CD Project Red and tonight I'm having The Witcher 3
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Exactly!
Comparing GamePass to a cheap buffet lol, GamePass is actually more like a voucher to some of your favorite restaurants.
My favorite restaurant is CD Project Red and tonight I'm having The Witcher 3
Put a little A1 on it. Really brings out the flavor.
Alter_Fridge
Member
How does gamepass not destroy retail sales of games
NinjaBoiX
Member
I don’t have an Xbox anymore (been on the PlayStation side of the coin this gen after flitting back and forth) but damn if Game Pass doesn’t sound like a hugely tempting proposal.
I don’t play games anywhere near as avidly as I used to, and therefore have less discerning tastes. To be able to pay a sub, Netflix style, to play a curated selection of games is far more appealing to me than my current method of hitting “buy” on a load of games I’ll probably never really get around to playing.
Game Pass (along with thermal/noise performance of the consoles) is a huge deciding factor for me next gen.
I don’t play games anywhere near as avidly as I used to, and therefore have less discerning tastes. To be able to pay a sub, Netflix style, to play a curated selection of games is far more appealing to me than my current method of hitting “buy” on a load of games I’ll probably never really get around to playing.
Game Pass (along with thermal/noise performance of the consoles) is a huge deciding factor for me next gen.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
COme on in, the water is fine.