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[PSlayer]

AMD could be refreshing the Ryzen 3000 lineup with new SKUs, rumor claims. The user HXL (Twitter) today published the names of the new Ryzen 3000 SKUs.

The dates mentioned in a retweet are actually from ASUS marketing person posted on Chinese Weibo. Those ‘big days’ refer to AMD B550 motherboards launch and availability. However, it is likely that Matisse Refresh could arrive close to those dates as well

Source:
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-refresh-matisse-cpus-ryzen-7-3850x-and-3750x-coming


If true,those SKUs are likely better binned versions of the 3700X and 3800x. My bet would be something like 4ghz base clock with boosts to 4.7ghz for the 3850X.

Lock if old.


Update:

So it seems the matisse refresh is real but the new SKUs are actually updates on the 3600,3800 and 3900.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT Up To 4.8 GHz, Ryzen 7 3800 XT Up To 4.7 GHz, Ryzen 5 3600 XT Up To 4.7 GHz, Alleges Rumor

The clock speeds of AMD's Mattise Refresh Zen 2 CPUs which include Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT have allegedly leaked out.

wccftech.com

Rumor:

3900 XT up to 4.8ghz
3800 XT and 3600 XT up to 4.7 GHZ

 

[Senua]

Hmm with Ryzen 3 so close

 

[DoctaThompson]

Prices should be pretty good I would imagine, as 4000 series will be coming soon.

 

[Leonidas]

Zen2 refresh? No thanks AMD, wake me up when Intel Skylake derivatives are overtaken in gaming performance

 

[Brofist]

Didn't they just drop the price of the 3900x?

 

[SantaC]

Hmm with Ryzen 3 so close

This could spell trouble for zen 3 maybe. Might be delayed

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Prices should be pretty good I would imagine, as 4000 series will be coming soon.

If the refresh drops the standard series price even further, and 3900x is already on sale for 400 bucks, then I have to imagine there are gonna be some great values for these AMD chips. I was holding on buying a new CPU until seeing what Zen 3 was looking like but if a 3900x gets cheap enough it will be a hard value to ignore

 

[GHG]

Didn't they just drop the price of the 3900x?

Yep.

And the prices of the rest of the 3xxx lineup have fallen everywhere in recent weeks due to sales.

Wouldn't surprise me if they have been clearing stock in preparation for a refresh of some sort.

Won't be anything significant, possibly an extra 100 or 200mhz here and there but it gets people talking about their processors again so soon after Intel's 10 series launch.

If it turns out to be true then AMD aren't messing around, they are going for the kill.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Yep.

And the prices of the rest of the 3xxx lineup have fallen everywhere in recent weeks due to sales.

Wouldn't surprise me if they have been clearing stock in preparation for a refresh of some sort.

Won't be anything significant, possibly an extra 100 or 200mhz here and there but it gets people talking about their processors again so soon after Intel's 10 series launch.

If it turns out to be true then AMD aren't messing around, they are going for the kill.

Sounds like a good time to be a CPU shopper

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yep.

And the prices of the rest of the 3xxx lineup have fallen everywhere in recent weeks due to sales.

Wouldn't surprise me if they have been clearing stock in preparation for a refresh of some sort.

Won't be anything significant, possibly an extra 100 or 200mhz here and there but it gets people talking about their processors again so soon after Intel's 10 series launch.

If it turns out to be true then AMD aren't messing around, they are going for the kill.

At this point they could release a power hungry monstrosity that consumes tons of Watts but beats Intel in benchmarks just to see how some people spin it .

 

[GHG]

At this point they could release a power hungry monstrosity that consumes tons of Watts but beats Intel in benchmarks just to see how some people spin it .

That would be AMD going back to their roots

 

[longdi]

At this point they could release a power hungry monstrosity that consumes tons of Watts but beats Intel in benchmarks just to see how some people spin it .

Intel is winning the frequency wars, i don't think zen2 can win in this area no matter the monstrosity. My zen2 hits >80c at 4ghz just stress testing aida64. I think the 7nm will melt if i push higher than 4ghz

 

[Armorian]

Intel is winning the frequency wars, i don't think zen2 can win in this area no matter the monstrosity. My zen2 hits >80c at 4ghz just stress testing aida64. I think the 7nm will melt if i push higher than 4ghz

Intel probably can't hit ~5GHz in lower nodes too ATM, their only hope are IPC improvements and DDR5 speeds.

 

[PSlayer]

At this point they could release a power hungry monstrosity that consumes tons of Watts but beats Intel in benchmarks just to see how some people spin it .

The power scaling of zen2 is not very good at high frequencies so even if they did this, it would probably fail to reach 5ghz with air cooling and that would end up being embarassing for AMD, from a marketing perpective.

Part of the reason for the bad power scaling on zen2 is that AMD had a die shortage(thanks to high demand) and allocated the best binned dies to the server market. So the pc market ended up with the "shit" dies that either had a bad power scaling(3700 and 3800) or defective cores(3600 and 3900). Now that the shortage is likely going away, AMD probably have good binned dies to spare and they decided to use on the 3700X and 3800X parts(thus the 3750X and 3850X)

 

[GreatnessRD]

Zen2 refresh? No thanks AMD, wake me up when Intel Skylake derivatives are overtaken in gaming performance

I'm thinking AM5 socket you'll have your wish. Loving the competition between the two.

 

[GHG]

Looks like it's almost certain that this will happen:



If it were Intel doing this refresh they would create a whole new socket and market the chips as if they were brand new.

 

[MightySquirrel]

If it were Intel doing this refresh they would create a whole new socket and market the chips as if they were brand new.

Pure facts.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Intel is winning the frequency wars, i don't think zen2 can win in this area no matter the monstrosity. My zen2 hits >80c at 4ghz just stress testing aida64. I think the 7nm will melt if i push higher than 4ghz

intel had to be pretty clever about the cooling system for these CPUs to run the way they are (which is pretty amazing).

 

[Leonidas]

If it were Intel doing this refresh they would create a whole new socket and market the chips as if they were brand new.

What about 8086K and 9900KS the last two gens?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT Up To 4.8 GHz, Ryzen 7 3800 XT Up To 4.7 GHz, Ryzen 5 3600 XT Up To 4.7 GHz, Alleges Rumor

The clock speeds of AMD's Mattise Refresh Zen 2 CPUs which include Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT have allegedly leaked out.

wccftech.com

Rumor:

3900 XT up to 4.8ghz
3800 XT and 3600 XT up to 4.7 GHZ

The AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT is suggested to feature a base clock of 4.1 GHz and a boost clock of up to 4.8 GHz (single-core) compared to a base clock of 3.8 GHz and a boost clock of up to 4.6 GHz on the existing Ryzen 9 3900X CPU. Similarly, the Ryzen 7 3800XT will offer a major base clock bump of 4.2 GHz and a boost clock bump of 4.7 GHz versus the Ryzen 7 3800X which features a base frequency of 3.9 GHz and boost frequency of 4.5 GHz. Finally, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT will offer a 4 GHz base and 4.7 GHz boost frequencies which are a definite improvement over the stock Ryzen 5 3600X. It'll just be 100 MHz lower clocked than the Intel Core i5-10600K while offering tremendously better IPC and multi-threading performance out of the box, giving AMD the opportunity to reclaim its position in the mainstream market.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

So I dunno how repuatable this is, didn't make a thread for it since it could all be bullshit, but just saw this

Alleged AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT 'Matisse Refresh' CPU Benchmarks Leak Out, Zen 2 Outperforms Intel's 10th Gen Lineup Once Again

The first alleged benchmarks of AMD's Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT 'Matisse Refresh' Ryzen 3000 CPUs have leaked out.

wccftech.com

AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT Alleged Benchmarks Leak Out, 7nm Zen 2 Once Again Beats Intel's 14nm Skylake Refresh
The performance benchmarks were reported by CPU-monkey which is a database consisting of several processors along with their respective performance numbers. There have been reports about inaccuracies with the performance statistics listed in these benchmarks but the site does state that numbers are based on pre-release samples these should be taken with a pinch of salt.

In Cinebench R15, the tables are turned with Intel leading the single-core performance metrics by a bigger margin than what AMD's Ryzen 3000 'Matisse Refresh' managed in R20. The AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT scores 226 points while the Core i9-10900K scores 234 points. Similarly, the AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT, and Ryzen 9 3950X score 217 points which lacks against the Core i7 lineup from Intel but outperform the Core i5 lineup.

In multi-threaded tests, AMD's Matisse Refresh Desktop CPU lineup gives Intel's 10th Gen lineup a big beating. The Ryzen 9 3900XT scores 7479 points which is around 5% faster than Ryzen 9 3900X but 16% faster than the 10900K. The AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT scores 5297 which is on par with Intel's Core i7-10700K and around 6% faster than the AMD Ryzen 7 3800X. Similarly, the 3600XT scores a total of 4007 points which is around 10% faster than the Intel Core i5-10600K and 8% faster than the Ryzen 5 3600X.

 

[FireFly]

What about 8086K and 9900KS the last two gens?

Weren't those limited edition CPUs?

 

[Rentahamster]

So I dunno how repuatable this is, didn't make a thread for it since it could all be bullshit, but just saw this

I'll believe it when I see it, but if true, this will be very interesting.

 

[Spukc]

I'll believe it when I see it, but if true, this will be very interesting.

What will you buy?

Still not sure here

 

[Rentahamster]

What will you buy?

Still not sure here

I think you mean JareBear: Remastered ?

As for me, I'm still sitting pretty on a Haswell-E 5960X. Still very useful even 6 years later. I'm going to wait for AMD's new stuff in a year, and if Intel has a decent response.

 

[Spukc]

I think you mean JareBear: Remastered ?

As for me, I'm still sitting pretty on a Haswell-E 5960X. Still very useful even 6 years later. I'm going to wait for AMD's new stuff in a year, and if Intel has a decent response.

Hmm oh i thought you also wanted something new

I'm waiting for new GPU&CPU.
When those are out i will get whatever i need.

Hopefully pc gamers will get that ps5 SSD tech soon

 

[llien]

Hmm with Ryzen 3 so close

Still months away, I guess Lisa doesn't want to give Intel's 10xxx series enjoy even that.

 

[martino]

man ryzen 4 at 5ghz with ddr5 & pcie 5.0
this will be the time to invest.
edit :seems it will be ryzen 5 finally my infos needed refreshing

 

[V2Tommy]

As for me, I'm still sitting pretty on a Haswell-E 5960X. Still very useful even 6 years later.

Eww. You're gonna be blown away by how much faster a new Intel system feels. I had a similar system from that gen with NVMe and holy hell was it worth selling.

 

[Rentahamster]

Eww. You're gonna be blown away by how much faster a new Intel system feels. I had a similar system from that gen with NVMe and holy hell was it worth selling.

No doubt, that my $1000 6 year old CPU is getting blown away by modern CPUs half that price, but it still works well enough for what I need it to do, and I feel that I'll get more bang for my buck by waiting until at least Zen 3 releases.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

3900XT looks a beast. 4.8Ghz boost (+200mhz) with 4.1Ghz base clock (+300mhz). 12-cores to last nicely through next gen consoles. Highly efficient compared to Intel 10-series. Actually includes cooler.

3600XT I expect to maintain the 'gamers bang for buck' CPU from 3600.

Full line-up: 3900XT, 3800XT and 3600XT.

 

[Reallink]

What is the technical reason AMD's CPU's tend to lead in generic "benchmarks", but then get trounced up to 20%+ in gaming benchmarks? Previously it was blamed on single core and IPC performance, but supposedly Ryzen has closed that gap yet it still occurs.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

What is the technical reason AMD's CPU's tend to lead in generic "benchmarks", but then get trounced up to 20%+ in gaming benchmarks? Previously it was blamed on single core and IPC performance, but supposedly Ryzen has closed that gap yet it still occurs.

it's because of inter-CCX latency, each chip is made up of two CCDS that contain 2 sets of 4-core CCXs. Comms between CCXs means travelling through Infinity Fabric to access cache.

Two things. The gaming difference on average is much less than 20% even at 1080p (9%? 10900K vs 3900X)and you need a 2080 Ti at that res to see this max small gap.

Secondly, Ryzen 4000 desktop later this year has 8-core CCXs, so looks very ominous for Intel judging by 3300X 's performance.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

it's because of inter-CCX latency, each chip is made up of two CCDS that contain 2 sets of 4-core CCXs. Comms between CCXs means travelling through Infinity Fabric to access cache.

Two things. The gaming difference on average is much less than 20% even at 1080p (9%? 10900K vs 3900X)and you need a 2080 Ti at that res to see this max small gap.

Secondly, Ryzen 4000 desktop later this year has 8-core CCXs, so looks very ominous for Intel judging by 3300X 's performance.

Guess I am waiting for the Zen 3/Ryzen 4000 series then

 

[Reallink]

it's because of inter-CCX latency, each chip is made up of two CCDS that contain 2 sets of 4-core CCXs. Comms between CCXs means travelling through Infinity Fabric to access cache.

Two things. The gaming difference on average is much less than 20% even at 1080p (9%? 10900K vs 3900X)and you need a 2080 Ti at that res to see this max small gap.

Secondly, Ryzen 4000 desktop later this year has 8-core CCXs, so looks very ominous for Intel judging by 3300X 's performance.

Why does it only effect gaming and none of the "productivity" benches?

 

[GHG]

Why does it only effect gaming and none of the "productivity" benches?

Productivity tasks typically scale with cores, so the more cores you can throw at them the better. The notable exception to that rule is Photoshop which still heavily relies on single threaded performance, much like gaming.

It will be interesting to see what happens next gen and whether PC games start to take more advantage of more threads rather than being reliant on clockspeed.

 

[PSlayer]

What is the technical reason AMD's CPU's tend to lead in generic "benchmarks", but then get trounced up to 20%+ in gaming benchmarks? Previously it was blamed on single core and IPC performance, but supposedly Ryzen has closed that gap yet it still occurs.

A lot of games are not optimized for multi-core use. In those cases, strong single core performance is king and for now Intel still has the upperhand on that area(mostly because they can reach higher clockspeeds). Only very recently games started to use 6 cores/ 12 threads instead of the standard 4 cores/ 8 threads and there is even some games that still rely on one/two core(s).

 

[Reallink]

A lot of games are not optimized for multi-core use. In those cases, strong single core performance is king and for now Intel still has the upperhand on that area(mostly because they can reach higher clockspeeds). Only very recently games started to use 6 cores/ 12 threads instead of the standard 4 cores/ 8 threads and there is even some games that still rely on one/two core(s).

That has long been my understanding, but there are a number of single core productivity benches, and Ryzen 3000's generally surpass or match Intel's highest end offerings. It seems to be some anomaly limited strictly to the gaming workload.

 

[PSlayer]

That has long been my understanding, but there are a number of single core productivity benches, and Ryzen 3000's generally surpass or match Intel's highest end offerings. It seems to be some anomaly limited strictly to the gaming workload.

In those cases it is probably the CCX latency. From what a read, games seems to be the type of workload where that latency actually matters and it's the reason why zen3's ccx have 8 core now.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Guess I am waiting for the Zen 3/Ryzen 4000 series then

Me too

Why does it only effect gaming and none of the "productivity" benches?

As others may have said, games are latency sensitive. Intel also have lower cache latency, which is a separate thing. Or I might be talking out my butthole as i've been talking a lot out of there today I have an IBS-y belly from eating too much bread-based products.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Mid-year AMD Ryzen refresh all-but confirmed... but it's no gaming panacea

The Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 7 3800XT have made their debut appearance within the 3DMark database.

www.pcgamer.com

As unexpected as they may be, new AMD Ryzen 'Matisse Refresh' processors have now been all-but confirmed. Two chips, the Ryzen 7 3800XT and Ryzen 9 3900XT, have been spotted by serial leaker TUM_APISAK on the 3DMark database, which heavily alludes to the existence of a full compliment of Ryzen 'XT' branded processors.

We don't have all the details regarding the components or the state of the processor just yet. The Ryzen 7 3800XT manages a 3DMark Fire Strike physics score of 25,135, which is not all that dissimilar to the Ryzen 7 3800X with an average of 24,190.



The marginal performance gain may be due to the disparity in rumoured clock speed and that which is reported within the benchmarks—both the 3800XT are 3900XT are lagging a little behind the initial rumoured specs and are only reported with a 100MHz clock speed increase -- but that score is also not that far off what we would expect from a minor clock speed bump.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT Matisse Refresh Zen 2 CPUs Listed Online

AMD's Mattise Refresh lineup which includes the Ryzen 9 3900XT, the Ryzen 7 3800XT & the Ryzen 5 3600XT have been listed online.

wccftech.com

first listings appear online

The Ryzen 9 3900XT is suggested to cost 499€, the Ryzen 7 3800XT is suggested to cost 459€ while the Ryzen 5 3600XT is suggested to cost 319€. The prices from the French retailer are slightly on the high side when compared to other retailers. However, compared to existing parts that are also listed over the same retailer, we might end up seeing the XT series being priced slightly higher than existing SKUs. For comparison, the same retailer lists down the Ryzen 5 3600X for 269.95€, Ryzen 7 3800X for 429.95€, and the Ryzen 9 3900X for 514€. Based on these prices, the Ryzen 9 3900XT will be the only option that might end up being cheaper than the existing X SKU.

Nevertheless, don't worry much about the prices since its common to see inflated prices prior to retailer launch. Our own sources in the EU market gave us prices for the Matisse Refresh CPUs that we had mentioned in a previous article. According to them, the AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT is expected to hit retail around 544.90 Euros, the Ryzen 7 3800XT is expected to hit retail around 435.00 Euros while the Ryzen 5 3600XT is expected to hit retail at around 217 Euros.

 

[Rentahamster]

Hopefully this doesn't mean a Zen 3 delay.

 

[Insane Metal]

Mid-year AMD Ryzen refresh all-but confirmed... but it's no gaming panacea

The Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 7 3800XT have made their debut appearance within the 3DMark database.

www.pcgamer.com

+100Mhz only? Da fuk? -_-

 

[Armorian]

+100Mhz only? Da fuk? -_-

So fancy names upgrade?

 

[Dontero]

+100Mhz only? Da fuk? -_-

Refresh mean they take old hardware do jack shit and repackage it. Refreshes are mostly done for OEM business so they can say they have new hardware this year.

It is the same reason why Nvidia GTX8XX series doesn't exist for desktop. It was repackaged GTX7xx series for oems like laptops.

 

[SantaC]

Refresh mean they take old hardware do jack shit and repackage it. Refreshes are mostly done for OEM business so they can say they have new hardware this year.

It is the same reason why Nvidia GTX8XX series doesn't exist for desktop. It was repackaged GTX7xx series for oems like laptops.

exactly. Sadly this probably means that zen 3 isnt anywhere near close atm. I am hearing rumors of Jan 2021 release.

it is too bad, because now they give intel time to improve.

 

[ZywyPL]

Meh, was really hoping for those rumored 4.7-4.8GHz clocks, all those threads are mostly unused, as oppose to extra clock speed. Maybe with Zen3 then.

 

[Dontero]

exactly. Sadly this probably means that zen 3 isnt anywhere near close atm.

Top end will be released this fall. We don't know if those will be only server cpus or also something for consumers.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

exactly. Sadly this probably means that zen 3 isnt anywhere near close atm. I am hearing rumors of Jan 2021 release.

it is too bad, because now they give intel time to improve.

I don't think you're right, according to some trch sources I watch this does not affect Ryzen 4000 in any way whatsover. They're doing this as yields on Ryzen 3000 7nm are crazy high (94%) which allows for higher clocks through binning. It's an easy move to swat aside the inefficient Comet Lake.