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[THEAP99]

If people are shocked by graphics getting turned down as games get closer to launch, well, then I guess I'm shocked by their shock.

I mean it feels like to me that this happens with every new PlayStation game that people scream downgrade. Even with ghost of tsushima last week

I do think that the one scene here does seem a bit weird, but everywhere else it looked great.
But like there doesn't seem to be much light anywhere at all, it's very overcast.


There even are some upgrades that are evident throughout the state of play.

 

[NickFire]

I mean it feels like to me that this happens with every new PlayStation game that people scream downgrade. Even with ghost of tsushima last week

I do think that the one scene here does seem a bit weird, but everywhere else it looked great.
But like there doesn't seem to be much light anywhere at all, it's very overcast.


There even are some upgrades that are evident throughout the state of play.

I feel like it happens with much more than just playstation games.

 

[B-universe]

If people are shocked by graphics getting turned down as games get closer to launch, well, then I guess I'm shocked by their shock.

I'm not eager to rain on anyone's parade, so I didn't think it worth mentioning. After two absolutely gorgeous trailers, yesterday's showing was a let-down. Graphics still look great, just not as good.

What nags me to death, because it's a recurrent theme, is the idea that one should just accept downgrades. No! If a studio isn't confident the material is representative of the final product, don't show it then. Wait till it is.

I will always raise my voice against attempts to normalize downgrades, especially those at the tale end of a generation. Studios need to pay a price for possible shenanigans. Not calling downgrades out, or acting as though they are business as usual is doing yourself a great disservice and helping to perpetuate the malpractice.

 

[Jbomb19]

I can smell your dry vagina from here.

i'm not shocked you know exactly what a dry vagina smells like. your poor girlfriend.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

this game looks good.
damn this game is violent.
I will play this on ps5 and purchase TLOU1 remake . Gonna have a good time

It's extremely brutal. There's shock at the dog killing in particular which I don't get.

Surely the last Vita owner on earth getting stabbed in the larynx is more shocking?

 

[Jbomb19]

But thats not what I asked. Again: could you describe me in yourr own words the agenda that he is trying to push on us and could you also give me examples how this ruined passed games for you. I´m asking for your opinion here. Do you have one?

They never have an answer to this question. I try asking and all I get is the same few buzzwords from them.

 

[gamerforever]

Looked very good. Will pick it up down the line.

Actually think Ghost of Tsushima Is visually more impressive. Not a slight on Naughty Dog, more an indication of how good Sucker Punch’s game looks.

Different art style, but the last of us 2 is way ahead on a technical level - the faces, the animation, the lighting are much better imo.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Different art style, but the last of us 2 is way ahead on a technical level - the faces, the animation, the lighting are much better imo.

I think it is kinda hard to compare between the scale and art styles. Both look really really good in the streams. Can't wait to see them on my 4k TV.

Hoping that framerate is steady in both

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I dont see nothing wrong in dev too. And i dont care what he likes or dislikes in life as long as i will get good game to experience. Im more then just over 30's. Maybe old ppl just became more calm in general lol.

Either they calm down or the edge gets dulled with maturity.

 

[NickFire]

I think it is kinda hard to compare between the scale and art styles. Both look really really good in the streams. Can't wait to see them on my 4k TV.

Hoping that framerate is steady in both

I still can't believe you convinced me to buy Division 2. I will remind you of this at least annually.

 

[faisalasif]

Dina in real life

 

[Fake]

But it will be optimzed for the pro in someway right? Higher Resolution then...maybe?

Probably not framerate.

Like UC Lost Legacy.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I still can't believe you convinced me to buy Division 2. I will remind you of this at least annually.

 

[scalman]

division 2 is amazing looking game , imagine if last of us would be in that world, how much oportunities would there be to explore and kill.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

They never have an answer to this question. I try asking and all I get is the same few buzzwords from them.

This game being brutally violent, with animal killings and realistic gun accesories and upgrade mechanics sits at odds with this silly assertion that Druckmann is some kind of SJW crusader. I think he's really just quite a normal nerd, maybe with a little ego which is normal given his success.

While there are some people whose main issue is genuinely with the main character (I can think of literally nothing else which is SJW about this game. Even outside of it, the exaggerated development 'crunch' is not an SJW pastime!) , there is also a sizeable lot of the critics that have a console wars agenda, which is extremely transparant.

i'm not shocked you know exactly what a dry vagina smells like. your poor girlfriend.

Lmao exactly I was gonna make the same perfect reply 'the only dry vagina is your girlfriend's, hence the insecurity' but I'm on my best behaviour

 

[Jbomb19]

This game being brutally violent, with animal killings and realistic gun accesories and upgrade mechanics sits at odds with this silly assertion that Druckmann is some kind of SJW crusader. I think he's really just quite a normal nerd, maybe with a little ego which is normal given his success.

Even outside of it, the exaggerated development 'crunch' is not an SJW pastime!) , there is also a sizeable lot of the critics that have a console wars agenda, which is extremely transparant.

Exactly. That's what I'm failing to understand. What about the game/the original game screams "SJW?" Keeping in mind that the game isn't out yet so no one knows for sure what themes, narratives, etc. are in the actual game. I think the discussion about the TLOU2 will be more productive once it's released and everyone experiences the game exactly how Naughty Dog intended.

 

[NickFire]

Exactly. That's what I'm failing to understand. What about the game/the original game screams "SJW?" Keeping in mind that the game isn't out yet so no one knows for sure what themes, narratives, etc. are in the actual game. I think the discussion about the TLOU2 will be more productive once it's released and everyone experiences the game exactly how Naughty Dog intended.

Its kind of a disingenuous question when information from spoilers can get the poster instantly banned. Mind you I am not saying the decisions revealed in those spoilers were ideologically driven instead of intended from day 1 of the first game. I am just pointing out that you are asking the guy to articulate on something with full knowledge its a ban trap.

 

[llien]

...silly assertion that Druckmann is some kind of SJW crusader...

Dude... Was it sarcasm?

 

[emilegc]

I'm not eager to rain on anyone's parade, so I didn't think it worth mentioning. After two absolutely gorgeous trailers, yesterday's showing was a let-down. Graphics still look great, just not as good.

What nags me to death, because it's a recurrent theme, is the idea that one should just accept downgrades. No! If a studio isn't confident the material is representative of the final product, don't show it then. Wait till it is.

I will always raise my voice against attempts to normalize downgrades, especially those at the tale end of a generation. Studios need to pay a price for possible shenanigans. Not calling downgrades out, or acting as though they are business as usual is doing yourself a great disservice and helping to perpetuate the malpractice.

Thank you for this. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Its kind of a disingenuous question when information from spoilers can get the poster instantly banned. Mind you I am not saying the decisions revealed in those spoilers were ideologically driven instead of intended from day 1 of the first game. I am just pointing out that you are asking the guy to articulate on something with full knowledge its a ban trap.

I'm basing that assertion on the trailers and the kiss.

 

[Kerotan]

Yes, very.

A buddy of mine said yesterday he heard the game was getting slated by the reviewers. And I was like the reviews aren't out until the 12th. So he prob heard it was getting controversy over the SJW shit. I actually have no idea because I've blocked all details from this game.

But yeah I was just wondering if it was the backlash from a while ago he heard about or was it from yesterdays trailer.

Do you know why they disabled likes on the video?

 

[Jbomb19]

Its kind of a disingenuous question when information from spoilers can get the poster instantly banned. Mind you I am not saying the decisions revealed in those spoilers were ideologically driven instead of intended from day 1 of the first game. I am just pointing out that you are asking the guy to articulate on something with full knowledge its a ban trap.

Definitely not trying to ban trap anyone, but those leak summaries/out of context clips aren't representing the game as a complete piece of media. So we can't definitively review and discuss its political themes, if any. That's my point. I'm not saying the game will or won't have certain themes because I have no idea. I haven't played the game yet. So maybe we should all stop asking that question because no one can truly answer it yet.

EDIT: to add, you do make a good point.

 

[NickFire]

I'm basing that assertion on the trailers and the kiss.

I used the word the when it should have been a. I was referring to the general question applied to any poster making the allegation.

Definitely not trying to ban trap anyone, but those leak summaries/out of context clips aren't representing the game as a complete piece of media. So we can't definitively review and discuss its political themes, if any. That's my point. I'm not saying the game will or won't have certain themes because I have no idea. I haven't played the game yet. So maybe we should all stop asking that question because no one can truly answer it yet.

I should have also asked the question generally instead of as a reply. No offense intended. It just dawned on me that this discussion in the context of avoiding spoilers might be premature unless we want people painted into a corner of making a point and being unable to articulate it.

 

[THEAP99]

A buddy of mine said yesterday he heard the game was getting slated by the reviewers. And I was like the reviews aren't out until the 12th. So he prob heard it was getting controversy over the SJW shit. I actually have no idea because I've blocked all details from this game.

But yeah I was just wondering if it was the backlash from a while ago he heard about or was it from yesterdays trailer.

Do you know why they disabled likes on the video?

Hints from people with review copies and such seem to all been extremely positive thus far. Pretty akin to pre- God of War (2018) embargo lift. Not sure what he’s talking about.

We are even allegedly getting first impressions on Monday.

 

[DForce]

While there are some people whose main issue is genuinely with the main character (I can think of literally nothing else which is SJW about this game. Even outside of it, the exaggerated development 'crunch' is not an SJW pastime!) , there is also a sizeable lot of the critics that have a console wars agenda, which is extremely transparant.

Before I start I just want to say this.

*This post does not contain spoilers*

A lot of the complaints about "SJW propaganda" comes from this character.

(1) People are accusing Naughty Dog of creating a "trans" when this character is in fact a woman. This fake rumor was created because she's a masculine woman.

(2) This character will play an important role in the story and people don't like the lack of male characters in the story.

(3) They're upset that Naughty Dog is pushing the strong female characters in stories.


The latest Terminator film was accused of being a woke film because of mostly female characters. If that can bother people then I guess having too many female characters in this game will too.

 

[Jigsaah]

Oh increased resolution for sure. Just that as far as Pro enhancements go, I'm not sure if there ever has been an example where better quality assets have been a thing, at least in any major capacity. It may seem that way, DF in their initial HZD analysis thought that on a Pro there were better textures and/or better AF being used - turns out the increased image quality there was just a byproduct of a higher rendering resolution.

Yea I think I felt it hardest on God of War. I can't really say what it was, but there was a clear difference between what I was seeing on my screen and what I saw in videos. Slightly depressing honestly. Too late to buy a pro now.

 

[Ogbert]

One of the amusing inconsistencies about modern video game politics is that apparently seeing certain genders and characters represented on screen has a huge impact on the real world, but seeing those same characters brutally shanking hundreds of people inspires absolutely nothing.

When it comes to violence, it’s just a game.

When it comes to genitals, it’s the whole world.

 

[Ulysses 31]

(3) They're upset that Naughty Dog is pushing the strong female characters in stories.

You are being a bit disingenuous here. People complain about strong females when it's at the expense of established male characters.

The latest Terminator film was accused of being a woke film because of mostly female characters. If that can bother people then I guess having too many female characters in this game will too.

Killing off a major character at the beginning, to prop up new ones, illogical character changes of Arnie's terminator ,not to mention what it means for the story lines of the first 2 movies is where most of the complains came from.

 

[Tomeru]

You are being a bit disingenuous here. People complain about strong females when it's at the expense of established male characters.

WTF does that even mean, and how can you prove it?

 

[Ulysses 31]

WTF does that even mean, and how can you prove it?

Disney Star Wars, undoing Han's character development and turning him back to a smuggler and a dead beat dad, Luke Skywalker turned into a hermit so that Rey can shine brighter and be better than them.

Look at Westworld season 2 as another example of destroying established male characters to prop up female characters(skip to 10:50 if you're in a hurry):

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Dina in real life

I dont get it. What is the laugh emoji for.

 

[DForce]

You are being a bit disingenuous here.

I'm not.

You shouldn't hint at spoilers in this thread. I don't know why it's not that obvious to you already.

Killing off a major character at the beginning, to prop up new ones, illogical character changes of Arnie's terminator ,not to mention what it means for the story lines of the first 2 movies is where most of the complains came from.

This is what happens when you're too involved in politics.


Terminator spoilers:

Spoiler: spoilers

Terminator: Dark Fate takes place right after Terminator 2. Do you think it would make sense for them to stop sending back Terminators to try to kill John Connor?

No.

Just about every single story narrative after Terminator 2 has been to protect John Connor. They could have easily sent back more terminators to protect John, but that has been done so many times before, even in the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Your belief is that they decided to kill John Connor to prop up a strong female character when in fact every other plot line to protect John Connor has already been done.

I reality, the decision was made to bring something new to the series, not to make the film "woke".

It's crazy that people want complain about a film being woke. Replace the character with a male character then the same people wouldn't have an issue with it at all.

 

[Jon Neu]

You are full of shit mate You still were not able to tell me what exactly you mean. Why do I have to go to a different thread like a fucking groupie to get your opinion? Put your money where your mouth is or GTFO.

lol

Yeah, you clearly wanted an honest discussion

Your performance is just as embarrassing in there.

Funny, I think the same about you and the rest of your passive agressive triggered friends.

The funny thing is that your types always do the same: ask loaded questions all the time and if you are tired of explaining your position for the 50th time to the new different user, then you have your “ha, I knew you haven’t any sustance” gotcha.

You are so triggered and entitled you always retort to the interrogation and trial at everybody who dares to critizice the narrative. Like a good SJW, character assassination is the first step in the cancelling procedure.

 

[Jon Neu]

So if it hasn't ruined any games for you, then why do you care about what Naughty Dog does with their games??

And why do you care that other people care?

Wrong. Nadine and Ellie look like women. Just women. Not women that specifically SJW lesbians would like.

They are completely designed to be feminist/SJW fanservice.

And being a tomboy it’s precisely being a woman who has a more manly look, but still is a woman.

Why do you call the guy Neil Cuckmann, his name is Neil Druckmann thats just disrespectfull.....

It’s an humoristic way of resuming the obsession that Neil Cuckmann has with feminist and SJW politics.

I hope humour at the expense of famous people isn’t banned yet, my dear regressives.

 

[B-universe]

One of the amusing inconsistencies about modern video game politics is that apparently seeing certain genders and characters represented on screen has a huge impact on the real world, but seeing those same characters brutally shanking hundreds of people inspires absolutely nothing.

When it comes to violence, it’s just a game.

When it comes to genitals, it’s the whole world.

Fantastic post.

The whole notion of representation is fraudulent. Its proponents, as you rightly point out, don't take it seriously, because they' can't accept the full gamut of its consequences. If a minority character were standing in as a representative of millions and millions of members of that minority, then any flaw you'd ascribe to him would be a direct indictment of those millions of people. If characters bear no connection to the real world, then the political push to have more of this or that majority, more of this or that real-life minority is meaningless folly.

Proponents of representation keep asserting that having protagonists with a certain minority background in a fictional setting will somehow, miraculously, produce effects in the real world, effects they're never ready to specify, to quantify or to verify, all the while failing to acknowledge the potentially adverse consequences if that representational mechanism were indeed real.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Every tlou2 thread turns into the same shit show. The trolls show up with their same complaints and it turns into tlou having an agenda and going woke. Then the defenders engage and ask for specifics only to be met with silence. It’s so tiring.

I’m no longer taking the bait. Just can’t wait until we can all play it and decide for ourselves.

 

[Jon Neu]

sits at odds with this silly assertion that Druckmann is some kind of SJW crusader.

Yeah, it’s not like Cuckmann himself has told the world that he is influenced by Anita Sarkeesian, someone who he regards as a heroine.

Neither he has hold press conferences claiming he has a secret agenda of making female characters “less sexualized” and other miriad of SJW hot takes.



Yeah, totally a silly assertion to call this person a SJW crusader.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Every tlou2 thread turns into the same shit show. The trolls show up with their same complaints and it turns into tlou having an agenda and going woke. Then the defenders engage and ask for specifics only to be met with silence. It’s so tiring.

I’m no longer taking the bait. Just can’t wait until we can all play it and decide for ourselves.

Yup. The review thread will be awesome

 

[Jon Neu]

Every tlou2 thread turns into the same shit show. The trolls show up with their same complaints and it turns into tlou having an agenda and going woke. Then the defenders engage and ask for specifics only to be met with silence. It’s so tiring.

I’m no longer taking the bait. Just can’t wait until we can all play it and decide for ourselves.

There’s a say in Spain to describe the people who act like you here.

It says: tirar la piedra y esconder la mano.

It roughly translates to: throw the stone and hide the hand.

You provoke and indulge in the thing you are now critizicing and then go hiding trying to act like you did nothing acting innocent.

Hipocrisy, basically.

 

[Ulysses 31]

This is what happens when you're too involved in politics.

Terminator spoilers:

Spoiler: spoilers

Terminator: Dark Fate takes place right after Terminator 2. Do you think it would make sense for them to stop sending back Terminators to try to kill John Connor?

No.

Just about every single story narrative after Terminator 2 has been to protect John Connor. They could have easily sent back more terminators to protect John, but that has been done so many times before, even in the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Your belief is that they decided to kill John Connor to prop up a strong female character when in fact every other plot line to protect John Connor has already been done.

I reality, the decision was made to bring something new to the series, not to make the film "woke".

It's crazy that people want complain about a film being woke. Replace the character with a male character then the same people wouldn't have an issue with it at all.

Tim Miller said that get woke, go broke was a partial reason for Dark Fate bombing.

Yeah, the whole Skynet can just keep sending back Terminators has been silly since the 2nd movie.

They needed the character out of the way for this take to work which generally is not a good way to establish newer characters if older established ones need to disappear.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Tim Miller said that get woke, go broke was a partial reason for Dark Fate bombing.

Yeah, the whole Skynet can just keep sending back Terminators has been silly since the 2nd movie.

They needed the character out of the way for this take to work which generally is not a good way to establish newer characters if older established ones need to disappear.

It was going bomb no matter what they did. First ones where great but the source material just couldn't work with constant releases.

 

[Jon Neu]

I dont get it. What is the laugh emoji for.

It’s a nervous laugh occulting the pain for losing the bazonkas of the real actress in the game character model.

Press F and blame the evil male gaze.

 

[DForce]

Tim Miller said that get woke, go broke was a partial reason for Dark Fate bombing.

Yeah, the whole Skynet can just keep sending back Terminators has been silly since the 2nd movie.

They needed the character out of the way for this take to work which generally is not a good way to establish newer characters if older established ones need to disappear.

He said people had issues with having female lead characters on screen.

The clip begins with Miller saying, “There was a lot of ‘get woke and go broke’ sentiment that didn’t help us, but…”

When asked to explain what that means, Miller responds, “There was a lot of issues about having three women in lead positions and all of that stuff.”

He adds, “There is quite a toxic atmosphere around this film online, which I was really surprised at. I shouldn’t be, but I was.”

Miller agrees with this assertion saying, “Yeah and unfortunately, I think it is a small minority, but it’s a very vocal minority and they make a lot of noise and it’s hard. You now, I don’t dwell online on the negativity, but it’s human nature to read a little bit.”

This vocal minitory who make the loudest noise are the ones who didn't like to see 3 female lead characters on screen. They didn't care about the plot, they cared about the fact that it has too many female characters. We're talking about things like this bothering people so much that they have to attack the director of the film.

It's nothing more than childish behavior.

They needed the character out of the way for this take to work which generally is not a good way to establish newer characters if older established ones need to disappear.

Protect John Connor.
Send Terminators back to kill\protect John Connor. It has been done with every single terminator film. They were better off going in a new direction instead of repeating the same story line over and over again. But hey, you think they wanted to do this because of "woke" culture.

 

[Sakura Doritos]

Its kind of a disingenuous question when information from spoilers can get the poster instantly banned. Mind you I am not saying the decisions revealed in those spoilers were ideologically driven instead of intended from day 1 of the first game. I am just pointing out that you are asking the guy to articulate on something with full knowledge its a ban trap.

I was about to post this.

 

[Geki-D]

It’s a nervous laugh occulting the pain for losing the bazonkas of the real actress in the game character model.

Press F and blame the evil male gaze.

Gotta love people believing this lie.

 

[Jon Neu]

Gotta love people believing this lie.

What lie?

 

[Geki-D]

What lie?

What I find even funnier, is that this is a perfect example of how fucking stupid people are. Grifters posts something, sheeple follow without question.

That comparison is a lie.

 

[Jon Neu]

That comparison is a lie.

Again, how is that comparison a lie?

 

[Geki-D]

Again, how is that comparison a lie?

So yeah, it's just utter ignorance on your part. Not surprising.
What is wrong in that comparison that triggers you so, pray tell?

 

[Ulysses 31]

He said people had issues with having female lead characters on screen.




This vocal minitory who make the loudest noise are the ones who didn't like to see 3 female lead characters on screen. They didn't care about the plot, they cared about the fact that it has too many female characters. We're talking about things like this bothering people so much that they have to attack the director of the film.

It's nothing more than childish behavior.




Protect John Connor.
Send Terminators back to kill\protect John Connor. It has been done with every single terminator film. They were better off going in a new direction instead of repeating the same story line over and over again. But hey, you think they wanted to do this because of "woke" culture.

If it's a just a minority, why care what they think? How could a minority make others not buy tickets to see a movie? How come this didn't work with Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel? It's just a tired old excuse Hollywood likes to use when they get called out on their woke agenda pushing.

Replacing male characters or making them buffoons and have the female characters be the ones in charge is a woke move to make if it's pushing a women are just as good(or better) than men message. Yes, Dark Fate fits that stereotype.