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[Digital Foundry] Xbox Series X Complete Specs + Ray Tracing/Gears 5/Back-Compat/Quick Resume Demo Showcase!

GHG

Member
It wasn't console war BS. It was simply stating that what exactly are you expecting Sony to do? Allow any old HDD to be hooked up? This is how its got to be, because the drives speeds are integral to both systems performance specification.

You yourself stated it as an xbox thing: "it's shit. And it's bloody obvious they do this to undersell the xbox x series and get money back in this cards,"

How are the drive speeds going to be integral to anything when they will still be using last gen consoles with their 5200rpm hard drives as the base line for a few years?

Seriously, there's no need for proprietary anything, whether it's internal or external. It doesn't benefit people buying the product in any way. They can say your load times will be increased using an external SSD drive or come up with some kind of file swap system to help alleviate the issue when using external hard drives.
 
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nkarafo

Member
There are some big jumps over the previous generation except for one part, the RAM amount. Not sure how much the SSD will help with that but i suspect this will be the bottleneck of next gen consoles this time.
 

Shin

Banned
I really like the geekiness with the PCB, the snake and masterchief.
It adds a nice touch (not that I like Halo, but I appreciate the gamer-like inclusion of those prints).
 

Flick

Banned
How are the drive speeds going to be integral to anything when they will still be using last gen consoles with their 5200rpm hard drives as the base line for a few years?

Seriously, there's no need for proprietary anything, whether it's internal or external. It doesn't benefit people buying the product in any way. They can say your load times will be increased using an external SSD drive or come up with some kind of file swap system to help alleviate the issue when using external hard drives.

internal? of course.. there simply is nothing that size with the same heat dissipation and same speed available. nothing.

they DO support standard external HDDs, so no problem at all. but for internal? that thing is a beast and its pure perfection, there is nothing for internal storage available right now.
 

Shantae

Banned
what would satisfy you? 5TB?
I think nothing would, I think it's too soon for SSD based hardware for gaming. They're still not affordable enough to buy sizes that really will last long in a game machine. I only just recently bought a 500gb as my boot drive on my PC. When games are over 100gb this generation, 1tb is not enough. It's still too expensive when you consider how fucking big games are. Optimize hard drive usage better for now.
 

Stuart360

Member
if there is something that i hate about modern console is the fact that 6 fucking gb or ram are for the os...
just gimme a lighter ui with less bullshit that 99% of gamers never use and squeeze all the ram into the gaming performance to make the console a little bit future proof.

i mean they are jumping from current 6-7 gb of gaming dedicated ram in the current console to 10 gb of gaming dedicated ram for the next gen...isn't a little jump or i'm reading wrong?
2.5gb is reserved for the OS. Watch the video.
 

ManaByte

Member
I think nothing would, I think it's too soon for SSD based hardware for gaming. They're still not affordable enough to buy sizes that really will last long in a game machine. I only just recently bought a 500gb as my boot drive on my PC. When games are over 100gb this generation, 1tb is not enough. It's still too expensive when you consider how fucking big games are. Optimize hard drive usage better for now.

They already said they're doing that. You won't have to install the full 100GB. It'll be like MGS4 on PS3 where it'll install parts.
 

Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
lol no, show me something with the same speed and size. also, it supports external HDDs, so where is the issue here?
External HDD's are only for playing xbox one games. And older.
You can store x series games on external discs.
But not play them from it according to digital foundry.

I am not stating ssd's are bad.
Just saying proprietary storage format needs to die. As it is anti consumer.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
tell that to the milions of people who overclock their hardware...
But we won't know what 1825mhz means without any comparison.
1000mhz on amd is different than 1000mhz on nvidia... it's different per every architecture. it means nothing, Only 3800mhz cpu for zen2 means something but we don't know if it's core or boost
 

Stuart360

Member
Yes I do and I uninstall the ones I don't need. So its up to me to have how many games and not to you or anyone else
I wasnt trying to do that, sorry bud. Its just you cant expect like 4 or 5TB SSD;'s in these machines, not at console prices.
 

Mista

Banned
I wasnt trying to do that, sorry bud. Its just you cant expect like 4 or 5TB SSD;'s in these machines, not at console prices.
Its all good mate. Yeah thats impossible to expect, I just thought 2TB would be perfect

I also went through my 110 and saw that there were games that I uninstalled before but they're still there

Going to do some cleaning now
 

Night.Ninja

Banned
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nemiroff

Gold Member
Heat dissipation for a SSD? Give me a break.

Not sure if serious..? Some NVMe drives may run hotter than your CPU under load.

To keep showcase functionality intact MS actually may not have a choice other than to make expansion cards proprietary. IDK.. Is there even a NVMe bus- and enclosure standard out there fast, compact enough and thermally manageable for an average consumer to easily ask for in a store..?
 
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Stuart360

Member
Its all good mate. Yeah thats impossible to expect, I just thought 2TB would be perfect

I also went through my 110 and saw that there were games that I uninstalled before but they're still there

Going to do some cleaning now
Well that is why they have external storage options, so you can connect your own drives, and they save money and sell the console at a decent price.
 

Flintty

Member
I can’t watch the video yet but will later. Do we know if the proprietary storage is the only option? There’s USB right, so can we not use standard external drives for at least BC games?
 

Shin

Banned
140mm fan at the top pulling hot air out of the system, in such a compact design (compared to PC since people get anal about the word compact/small here).
It's the same sized fan you most likely have at the back of your PC (above the PSU and GPU), should work wonders for pulling air out - airlow of around 80 - 120 CFM, 18 - 20Db.

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ManaByte

Member
External HDD's are only for playing xbox one games. And older.
You can store x series games on external discs.
But not play them from it according to digital foundry.

I am not stating ssd's are bad.
Just saying proprietary storage format needs to die. As it is anti consumer.

Pretty sure Sony is doing it too based on the patents.
 

POTUS

Banned
Just curious but how many people like me will make the decision on which next gen console to buy based on VR capabilities.

I am impressed by the Xbox Series X specs. If Microsoft announced compatibilty with either the Oculus Quest or the Valve Index VR headset, I'll be buying it day one.

If not, I will be going with PS5 and PSVR 2 at launch.
 

BeardGawd

Banned
But we won't know what 1825mhz means without any comparison.
1000mhz on amd is different than 1000mhz on nvidia... it's different per every architecture. it means nothing, Only 3800mhz cpu for zen2 means something but we don't know if it's core or boost

They've stated it's the core frequency. Not boost.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
I can’t watch the video yet but will later. Do we know if the proprietary storage is the only option? There’s USB right, so can we not use standard external drives for at least BC games?
Yes USB 3.2 external drives will be supported for BC games and store series x games. Then you can move the series x games to internal when you want to play.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
Good lord - huge info dump. Saw the videos pop up on YouTube, watched them both instantly. Absolutely loving Microsoft getting out ahead for this generation.

The bespoke storage solution has shown its first downside, though. I tend to agree with the above GAFers - I'm not a fan of proprietary storage mediums. With that said - and I need to stress this - I completely understand the need for it. With hard drives now being available to be used as part of the memory pool, minimums and standards need to be maintained. We're not just talking longer load screens with that level of integration. D dark10x mentioned in the video that Microsoft did confirm that external storage was still supported. I'll be curious to see how that gets resolved. It's not great, but I get it - I just hope they don't pull a Sony and price gouge the living shit out of the customer to offset the cost of the console.

Apart from that though, I think they've exceeded my expectations, at least in terms of paper specs. The clocks - especially the GPU - are much higher than I was expecting. Completely explains the cooling-focused design. The quick resume stuff was pretty impressive, as was the BC upscaling, and the algorithmic HDR implementation on OG Xbox titles is straight up witchcraft. Timesplitters: Future Perfect at 4K with HDR? That's almost worth the ticket right there. Seeing that the RT hardware isn't a neutered version of the tech to accommodate a console, and then seeing it in action in their Minecraft demo that doesn't utilise normal rasterisation, is impressive as heck - even more so for a console. RT is gaining decent traction, so it's a forward thinking piece of kit that I'm very glad is in the box. The memory configuration is... odd, to say the least. We're not seeing too many games push legitimate uses into the area of 16gb - I've got 16gb of RAM in my gaming machine, for example, and I don't have plans to upgrade in the near future. Consoles typically get more mileage from their RAM, so perhaps 13.5gb of oddly configured RAM is enough for next-gen titles. I'll have to wait for actual developers to weigh in on that one though.

With the name, console design, and specs out in the wild, Microsoft have laid out their vision for the next-gen in a pretty convincing manner. They've built a beast of a machine that can - apparently - go toe to toe with current high end PCs. All we need to see now are the real next-gen games - and then the biggest question of all: price. With everything in the box, I'm convinced we're looking at $499.00.

Sony needs to start making some noise soon, or I'll be pre-ordering my Series X before I even know what a PS5 looks like.
 

GHG

Member
..not sure if serious..? Some NVMe drives may run hotter than your CPU under load.

I'm referring to external SSD's.

Regardless, even for NVMe drives, gaming operation wouldn't be enough to cause thermal throttling unless heat is being dumped on it from other components. In order to cause throttling you'd need to be doing constant write operations at max transfer speeds. Downloads nor disks are fast enough to make that happen.
 

PaNaMa

Banned
Yes USB 3.2 external drives will be supported for BC games and store series x games. Then you can move the series x games to internal when you want to play.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and cannot be what Microsoft has planned
 

icerock

Member
MS PR right from TGA up until now has been pitch perfect. The article was excellent, with the added benefit of a glossary to help less informed folks about what this all means.

The most intriguing aspect for me was the die size, it's actually a quite bit smaller than what most of us had pegged based on the SoC profile pic put up by Phil Spencer. The spec sheet looks so impressive even though most of it had already been known, the fact they are delivering a 3.8GHz Zen 2 CPU in addition to a 12TF RDNA2 GPU with RT on a die which is touch smaller than Xbox One X is mind boggling.

I also expect them to reveal Lockhart in the coming weeks, and their E3 digital stream will be all about games. Who said MS can't learn from their mistakes?
 

GHG

Member
Ooh ok then i guess it's totally fine

Please be joking.

Not only will there still be paid online next gen but we will also be going back to the dark ages of proprietary storage next gen.

Nobody should be ok with this.
 

Flick

Banned
Please be joking.

Not only will there still be paid online next gen but we will also be going back to the dark ages of proprietary storage next gen.

Nobody should be ok with this.

OK, then give me something with the same size and same speed? nvmes are larger.

I mean look at the CPU clock speed.
 
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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
1TB makes me go "oh shit", not "wow". 1TB is laughable this gen, putting only 1TB for next get is just stupid.

While I agree that 2tb would have been a nicer option, you also have to remember two things: 1) Games can now be installed in chunks, so single versus multi for example (this was already used in some regards this gen) and 2) Games no longer have to have duplicate data in their data files for shorter seek times on mechanical drives. This should mean substantially smaller games for next gen. However, with higher fidelity assets, sizes will still be large.

I would also just like to say something. I refuse to post in the other thread, its... Ugly. However, I didn't get the 16gb wrong. That's exactly what I was told, and exactly what was delivered. I was unsure if they would be 16+4 or 16 with some for OS, but was sure on them being 16gb at least. The system is indeed 16gb. So for those lovely lads in the other thread moaning about that, there is your answer.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and cannot be what Microsoft has planned
That is the only solution when the console depends on the SSD for performance. You can't let people put in any shitty drive and get tech support calls. Live by the SSD and die by the SSD. Hopefully they will lisence out the technology so others make drives to keep prices down.
 

Mista

Banned
That is the only solution when the console depends on the SSD for performance. You can't let people put in any shitty drive and get tech support calls. Live by the SSD and die by the SSD. Hopefully they will lisence out the technology so others make drives to keep prices down.
Its always good to see you around mate
 
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Contica

Unconfirmed Member
All I need to know is if this means I can finally play Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon in 4k,cause it sounded like that.
 

Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
Please be joking.

Not only will there still be paid online next gen but we will also be going back to the dark ages of proprietary storage next gen.

Nobody should be ok with this.
ofc i was being sarcastic but some people seem to be talking about sony in this thread,

if microsoft fucks me over it's perfectly ok if sony does it too

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