Doczu
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Yeah, remote regions might go unharmed, but what if it breaks out in Cairo? Or worse, gets to the slums in South Africa?
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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So most think it’s fine.
Time for my obligatory post:
Our Dutch government for a well educated country is keeping information at minimal , and isn’t educating people , the basically tell it’s like the flu.
How?
And we are a country with to much elderly people, this was on the agenda for years on how we would support such a large amount of elderly which can’t help out anymore. I guess this would fix that problem
Time for my obligatory post:
Our Dutch government for a well educated country is keeping information at minimal , and isn’t educating people , the basically tell it’s like the flu.
How?
And we are a country with to much elderly people, this was on the agenda for years on how we would support such a large amount of elderly which can’t help out anymore. I guess this would fix that problem
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longdi
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Yes we have fucking sick Chinese `tourists` visiting us just before the wuhan locked down. Ended up infecting a church and those fuckers made use of our first world medical services, recovered and without paying a cent!
Jtibh
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Former Iranian ambassador to Vatican succumbs to coronavirus in first high-profile death of the epidemic https://www.rt.com/news/481851-iranian-ambassador-vatican-dies-coronavirus/
Smiles and Cries
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Just now 2 NK stories hit CNN
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North Korea seems to still have a buzz around this virus but no reports of cases
Foreign diplomats to be evacuated from North Korea
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
UN sanctions committee approves medical equipment to be sent to North Korea
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
North Korea seems to still have a buzz around this virus but no reports of cases
betrayal
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The figures in China are declining as expected. This means that the biggest difficulties in China will probably be of an economic nature and that in some areas people are experiencing or already have problems of various kinds (monetary, ...) due to the quarantine.
Numbers in SK seem to peak or maybe even go down, which is great news again.
You have to remember that R0 for COVID-19 is probably around 3, which means that theoretically every infected person infects three new people. Without successful containment, numbers in China or SK should double or even triple daily and within a few days you would be in the four-digit range of newly infected people. Ultimately, we are now actually in a situation in which each country can prevent the spread of COVID-19 with appropriate measures, which should be rather strict. If one or two countries fail to do so, a snowball effect may occur, which is certainly the greatest risk at present.
The sporadic reports of new infected people all over the world were completely to be expected (even the WHO said so). It would be an alarm signal if the numbers in a country suddenly tripled daily. Currently this is not happening anywhere, which is good news.
Instead of a major global pandemic with 500,000 or even several million infected people, it looks more like the economy will end up being the biggest problem for many when it is all over.
Numbers in SK seem to peak or maybe even go down, which is great news again.
You have to remember that R0 for COVID-19 is probably around 3, which means that theoretically every infected person infects three new people. Without successful containment, numbers in China or SK should double or even triple daily and within a few days you would be in the four-digit range of newly infected people. Ultimately, we are now actually in a situation in which each country can prevent the spread of COVID-19 with appropriate measures, which should be rather strict. If one or two countries fail to do so, a snowball effect may occur, which is certainly the greatest risk at present.
The sporadic reports of new infected people all over the world were completely to be expected (even the WHO said so). It would be an alarm signal if the numbers in a country suddenly tripled daily. Currently this is not happening anywhere, which is good news.
Instead of a major global pandemic with 500,000 or even several million infected people, it looks more like the economy will end up being the biggest problem for many when it is all over.
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California sees surge in Chinese illegally crossing border from Mexico
The number of Chinese immigrants illegally crossing the Mexican border into California has skyrocketed in recent years, the result of a lucrative smuggling industry, mass migration from China and a diversifying pool of migrants settling in the United States.www.latimes.com
It's nice to know that she's taking things so seriously and not using the virus as a cheap way to score political points from a bunch of drooling blue checkmarks who are so definitely 'not racist' they're prepared to kiss the infected on the lips.
Smiles and Cries
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this thing kills faster in some cases it seems we only had reports of him yesterday
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betrayal
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It is very likely that he suffered from pre-existing conditions. As I wrote many pages ago and as someone else posted recently, people with diabetes and heart failure are much more at risk.
The death rate of COVID-19 in healthy(!) people will probably drop way below 1% after the whole end of the epedemia or pandemic. You just have to remember that cardiovascular problems and heart disease are the number one cause of deaths worldwide. And that's why COVID-19 has a pretty high CFR. A heart disease + COVID-19 probably means 1 out of 10 will die, which is brutal.
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Smiles and Cries
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totally agree with this, if the markets are being harmed at this level I could not even imagine what things would be like at a number like 500,000 infected worldwide. I doubt many here is expecting end of days as much as we joke of it but this is still very concerning. Some of us have existing health issues that means if we are infected with this our chances to recover is very slim. That is in my case a concern.
Ultimately it is our reactions to this event that are tanking the markets right now, I would blame Twitter and Social Media if you think this thread is DOOMish stay off Twitter.
If you look at it, if the markets crash at historic levels at 80,000 cases it really does not change much to think we got off easy because it never got to 500,000
mcz117chief
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But you must keep this in mind, area of China is 9.597 million km² while on the other hand Africa has 30.37 million km².
Right, you got huge population centers like Nairobi, Cairo, Cape Town etc. and if it gets there then they might be overwhelmed but most of the pop should be fine. Also, I think that most African nations won't have any moral issues over draconian measures like shoot people trying to break out of quarantines.
Smiles and Cries
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I agree he was a retired old man we should expect pre-existing conditions making this more dangerous for him. Being a high profile person makes it global news.
How would you know? The virus is only months old and getting started. Not saying it could not happen , but it’s still early days. And who says if you stop all measures it stays stable and isn’t going to jump again?
And off course it’s economically connected it’s a big case of concern this virus and not to be taken lite.
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Jtibh
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It might be a case of mutation .
The numbers dont match chinas then again china is full of shit.
Still the rate of the spread and potency is indication of the virus mutating.
The fact its spreading in warm countries shows how infectious it is from human to human if we say it cant survive on surfaces in the heat.
The next 2 weeks will be interesting.
Nigeria is of big concern. The most populated country in africa with 200million people
mcz117chief
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I got a friend who says lying to people is good because it prevents panic. Here in Czech Rep we don't have a single case but already hundreds in quarantine while all the nations around us already got confirmed cases. I'm like: "isn't it weird that the government is practically dead silent on the issues? No cautions or anything?" to which they reply "omg, stop fear mongering and panicking, the government is right in telling us nothing, it keeps us calm. They honestly shouldn't tell us anything, people would just get upset." wow, hard to break that Communist indoctrination even 30 years after the "revolution".So most think it’s fine.
Time for my obligatory post:
Our Dutch government for a well educated country is keeping information at minimal , and isn’t educating people , the basically tell it’s like the flu.
How?
And we are a country with to much elderly people, this was on the agenda for years on how we would support such a large amount of elderly which can’t help out anymore. I guess this would fix that problem
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betrayal
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Currently there are good reasons to be slightly positive about the whole situation. China and SK are doing a great job of preventing the spread of the virus. It will depend on the other countries if we want to prevent an explosive spread. At this point, it's quite possible that the total number of people infected will remain below 100,000. But it can go at least as fast in another direction and we have several million infected people in April, but they are not likely to come from SK or China at this time.
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Smiles and Cries
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That is the hopeful thinking. Why would I even want to see 500,000 cases of this virus? I agree we don't know if we add the numbers up a year from now that we are not going to look back at 500k infected cases. But seriously I would rather not see anything over 80,000 outside of China before we get it under control. To me what we have right now is bad enough. I don't know the future I am just hoping medical science can do better than to fuck this up on a greater scale.
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Smiles and Cries
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I wonder if Japan is reporting no new cases that would be a good thing
betrayal
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It's unlikely the virus has mutated. There are simply many other more likely possibilities.
Mutation itself doesn't always have to be bad. We're not in a horror movie. The virus can also mutate in a way that it becomes less dangerous for us as humans, for example it can become less contagious etc.. It is not that mutations per se always have to be bad.
Furthermore, the current infection rate is a clear sign of no mutations, at least as far as this very issue is concerned.
Smiles and Cries
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Dr. Campbell has pointed out his thinking that this virus has mutated in Iran many times in his educational medical reports.
I don't think unlikely is a good word that fits what viruses tend to do all of the time. They do mutate that is how they jump from animals to humans in the first place.
Smiles and Cries
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welp that clears that up it is good when we have a clear path of how it got to a new area
www.cnn.com
First coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
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betrayal
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True. That was bad wording on my part. I actually meant that it is unlikely that the General died because of a mutation.
Jtibh
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Lets not forget this aint an ordinary virus.
It was bioengineered with traces of hiv characteristics etc.
We dont know much about it .
There is no other virus to my knowledge that spreads during the incubation period.
This virus is a very smart virus that is designed to survive.
Anyways you are probably correct but its early days.
We will monitor the situation but i think in 3 weeks time we will see either a positive outcome or a disaster of epic proportions.
Smiles and Cries
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China claims draconian tactics helped "win" the coronavirus fight. Most of the world can't follow suit
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
For those that say we should take this more serious. I would like to point out China's method might still be the most serious you can take this. To lockdown dozens of cities was a massive ask that maybe only China was able to do and get away with without riots.
Still think it might be the best way to do it, with South Korea was cleaner version of that but they have flights out to any place that does not have a ban on them.
We do need to take it seriously. Would you be okay with China style lockdowns in your location?
Smiles and Cries
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Can we add this image to the OP?
found it here
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found it here
What are the symptoms of coronavirus?
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
LokusAbriss
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It seems all out of control. Here in Germany, we are starting to see fast rising numbers of infected. Numbers tripled within 24 hours. The current influenza season hits us hard too. So many people are sick with the flu. Carnival just ended this week and you can expect an extremely high infection rate very soon. The situation is bad and I expect too see appropriate actions very soon.
Travel should have been stopped or heavily restricted a month ago. Sick people wander all over europe and dont care.
I think that I will buy some food supplies to cover a week or so. No supermarket has socks in the back anymore. Everything works just in time and when they stop everything, we will be fucked.
This will become a massive probleme here, because people dont stay home when sick and believe they have to work. Nobody cares about infecting others.
Travel should have been stopped or heavily restricted a month ago. Sick people wander all over europe and dont care.
I think that I will buy some food supplies to cover a week or so. No supermarket has socks in the back anymore. Everything works just in time and when they stop everything, we will be fucked.
This will become a massive probleme here, because people dont stay home when sick and believe they have to work. Nobody cares about infecting others.
Tevious
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Doubtful though. I can already be sure I didn't bring it to Italy with me. That's been over 2 weeks ago since I left for my trip and still haven't had symptoms. Given how quickly the breakout happened during my stay in Italy, it was certainly already there and I wasn't even in northern Italy. And even before the trip I was already taking precautions by wearing a mask, washing hands often, and keeping isolated as much as possible when there were just a couple dozen known cases in Korea.
betrayal
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There are many viruses that are contagious during the incubation period, the time before the first symptoms appear. This is also true for the flu, for example, which in many cases is also contagious 24 hours before you get the first symptoms.
The problem with COVID-19 in this context is the quite long incubation period. But even now it is too early to say that the virus can infect other people from day 1 of the incubation period. Probably it is somewhat later, but of course still during the incubation period.
Smiles and Cries
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US Navy orders self-quarantine for ships that have made stops in the Pacific
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
"The US Navy has ordered all ships that have visited countries in the Pacific region to effectively self-quarantine and remain at sea for 14 days in order to monitor sailors for any symptoms of coronavirus."
Some of these guys could not wait to get back home I bet and now 14 extra days.
I still think 14 days is too low
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JordanN
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What if it sets a precedent for a government to just abuse their power and lockdown anyone?
Like, remember how after 9/11, the U.S government passed the PATRIOT Act, which was aimed at "stopping" terrorists but actually just increased the level of surveillance or throwing people in Gitmo?
Some bad actor could release a virus, go to the government and ask them to shut down a city without question. Straight out of Deus Ex.
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betrayal
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The numbers have not tripled and are pretty much in the range of what could have been expected. You just have to look at other countries like SK, Italy etc. Germany will very certainly still reach an infection rate of 100+ per day, which is not a bad sign per se. In the end it simply depends on how the country reacts and how well the measures work.
The numbers have not tripled and are pretty much in the range of what could have been expected. You just have to look at other countries like SK, Italy etc. Germany will very certainly still reach an infection rate of 100+ per day, which is not a bad sign per se. In the end it simply depends on how the country reacts and how well the measures work.
The flu wave in Germany is statistically and officially already past its peak. Furthermore I don't know what for, but if you need socks, I'll send you some.
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Smiles and Cries
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ah fuck
Smiles and Cries
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it depends if they are even approaching testing the same ways as other countries really.
hopefully they really don't have any cases
betrayal
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That's 505 (yesterday) vs 571 (today), which is totally okay for a R0 for COVID-19 of 1.4 up to 4. So that is still below the R0 value of the seasonal flu (R0 = 1.3). Newer models suggest that you need a R0 of 2 or lower to contain a pandemic.
The next three days will show whether SK is able to successfully contain the virus or whether it spreads exponentially.
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cosmic wizard
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Why large doses of Vitamin C is crucial in dealing with that to maximize the body's anti-oxidative capacity and natural immunity. 3000+ mg (divided doses) if needed when sick.
1000 - 2000 IU Vitamin D3 plus NRA of magnesium and zinc.
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Any given flu can have those symptoms, which doesn't make it easier. Once we can't distinguish anymore other strong suspicions factors like travelling and so on, it's gonna be trouble. People with just the flu can think they have covid-19, people with covid-19 will downplay it as the flu.Can we add this image to the OP?
found it here
What are the symptoms of coronavirus?
The first confirmed novel coronavirus case in Nigeria is an Italian citizen who traveled to Lagos. Follow here for the latest.
Self-testing kits would be amazing, but probably impossible I guess.
Smiles and Cries
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You really are pragmatic about these numbers nothing wrong with that. I'm hoping for the best for South Korea they really are doing a good job all around as to how they are taking care of their people.
I want to see lower SK numbers because no one else is testing like them it makes me worry that they are finding cases while others give us 1 or 2 new cases per day. Still your approach is sensible
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Smiles and Cries
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Fortunately, the numbers are not negative. One must remember that due to the high incubation time and the high infection rates even new infections of 1000+ would still be normal. Likewise the measures against the virus 2-3 weeks ago were by far not as strong as now and nevertheless the new infections remain at present still within a range, which is to be evaluated as positive, if one wants to achieve a purposeful containment of COVID-19.
If you want to see the big picture, you have to leave out the emotions. It is a fact that the result of the fight against a virus by means of containment is evaluated on the basis of numbers and these are currently okay and give reason for hope.
As already mentioned several times, this can unfortunately change at any time. If we have 800 newly infected people for SK tomorrow, then 1000+ and then 2000+, then it looks rather bad.
You simply get a more realistic picture if you stick to the figures and proven models than if you trust the headlines in the media, which ultimately earn their money with words and, more importantly, with emotions. But I am also aware that a certain amount of fear and panic-mongering in politics and the media is necessary to stop things like this virus, otherwise unfortunately many people cannot be won over if the necessary measures are to be implemented to stop this virus.
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ValiantTraveler
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I am baffled the virus has yet to be confirmed in Morocco, with all these countries reporting cases. I'm pretty sure it's already arrived and is in incubation somewere in someone.
betrayal
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This is really a whole new level of propaganda and pure idiocy. I hope this helps more people understand why some Democrats and people at CNN are absolutely frivolous. There are people in the world who should never be listened to and if there is anything positive about this virus, it is that it shows how shameless and infinitely stupid some people are.
mcz117chief
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The most based game probably ever made so far.What if it sets a precedent for a government to just abuse their power and lockdown anyone?
Like, remember how after 9/11, the U.S government passed the PATRIOT Act, which was aimed at "stopping" terrorists but actually just increased the level of surveillance or throwing people in Gitmo?
Some bad actor could release a virus, go to the government and ask them to shut down a city without question. Straight out of Deus Ex.
Smiles and Cries
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I want to go on Cruise when I am 70 if they are still around after this mess
Smiles and Cries
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I would think you only need 2 people to spread it.
Can't you imagine an event planner saying thank god my event is only for 850 people
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