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[DeepEnigma]

You talking about when the leader of the group kidnaps her because she's a girl? umm she kills him by herself and escapes by herself. joel finds her after she already killed him, he never really saved her

I’m talking about the hell he went through to get to her, and then all the way at the end to rescue her.

I mistyped what I meant to say. Regardless, you got an answer for everything, and are more obsessed than actual fans of the game.

 

[siekro1983]

Who gives a shit? Don’t like who you play as? Design your own game and make your own decisions. Crying like a brat over some other designers decisions is intended to get you where?

Many people give a shit. it probably won't take us anywhere it's a video game forum we are just discussing.

 

[Hobbygaming]

ellie was awesome too until i watched the the videos about ND agenda. you notice it even in the last of us, a 14 year girl is always saving joel ass, showing feminism, joel never really saves ellie, it's only at the end where she didn't wanna be saved it just had me rolling my eyes. same shit in uncharted 4 it was so bad one of the game designers went into rage lmao

But Joel also saves Ellie many times in the game

In fact, one of the times Ellie tries to save Joel, she ends up almost drowning but Joel pulled her out of the water before getting knocked unconscious by a firefly soldier

 

[siekro1983]

I’m talking about the hell he went through to get to her, and then all the way at the end to rescue her.

I mistyped what I meant to say. Regardless, you got an answer for everything, and are more obsessed than actual fans of the game.

Exactly the hell he went through, it would have been the perfect scene for joel to finally save her, but nope it's not allowed, it has to show that ellie a 14 year old girl can take care of herself and only she can save joel ass, multiple times i mean i's obvious as fuck.

 

[siekro1983]

But Joel also saves Ellie many times in the game

In fact, one of the times Ellie tries to save Joel, she ends up almost drowning but Joel pulled her out of the water before getting knocked unconscious by a firefly soldier

He really doesn't only at the end when she didn't wanna be saved.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Exactly the hell he went through, it would have been the perfect scene for joel to finally save her, but nope it's not allowed, it has to show that ellie a 14 year old girl can take care of herself and only she can save joel ass, multiple times i mean i's obvious as fuck.

 

[siekro1983]

Anyway this discussion has dragged long enough, you can show all the evidence in the world people will defend, it's ok you like Woke shit many people do but don't fucking deny it.

 

[Hobbygaming]

He really doesn't only at the end when she didn't wanna be saved.

Bro I literally just gave you an example and also they save each other when Joel trips into a trap and without Joel fending the infected off Ellie would've been lunch

Joel also saves her from getting killed after they crash and a thug has Ellie pinned to the ground, Joel runs up to kick the guy off of her

 

[siekro1983]

Bro I literally just gave you an example and also they save each other when Joel trips into a trap and without Joel fending the infected off Ellie would've been lunch

Joel also saves her from getting killed after they crash and a thug has Ellie pinned to the ground, Joel runs up to kick the guy off of her

those scenes are not really impactful on the story side they are there more for gameplay purposes. . Still though he did save her so i was wrong, especially after the truck scene that one counts.

 

[Dacon]

Because you sound that naugty dog is reacting to this stupid woke trend that is going on.
Her sexuality isnt the focus of the game.
Like i said woman at least in Brazil and Portugal are hitting the gym hard.
So is not something uncommon for me see a rpped woman.
Thats why i find bizarre this comments.
If these games were realistic
Man woukd be bald and with beer belly. But no they all look like dwayne Johnson.

.....what.

Are you sure you meant to quote me?

 

[Dacon]

He really doesn't only at the end when she didn't wanna be saved.

The fuck? Joel protects Ellie the ENTIRE fucking game. You really think she could have survived the hordes of infected and hostile survivors the whole game?

Dude mowed down an entire village with a sniper rifle to protect her. How about when they got ambushed on the highway and got assaulted at the convenience store? Joel LITERALLY saves her from the one dude who was overpowering her.

Did you PLAY the game?

 

[SLB1904]

.....what.

Are you sure you meant to quote me?

NGL I was kinda annoyed with the whole Ellie being gay thing, because it felt like some serious pandering coming from ND esp with some of the statements they've made on social media.

thats what you said.
thats why i said you sound like naughty dog is reacting to this stupid woke trend that is going on.

Bro, put down the bottle bro.

It's gonna be ok bro.

wasn't talking to you, don't know what you on about

 

[siekro1983]

The fuck? Joel protects Ellie the ENTIRE fucking game. You really think she could have survived the hordes of infected and hostile survivors the whole game?

Dude mowed down an entire village with a sniper rifle to protect her.

its a videogame, The story is mainly told through cutscenes, and through gameplay. joel was out for month she dragged his ass on a horse, and killed the leader of a cannibal town, and like the majority of his men. ellie was pretty much a beast in the game.

 

[Dacon]

thats what you said.
thats why i said you sound like naughty dog is reacting to this stupid woke trend that is going on.

wasn't talking to you, don't know what you on about

So you didnt understand the context of my post at all then.

its a videogame, The story is mainly told through cutscenes. joel was out for month she dragged his ass on horse, and killed the leader of a cannibal town, and like majority of his men. ellie was pretty much a beast in the game.

Your argument is absurd. Plenty of the story is told in game during the gameplay dude. You can't throw all that out just bc it doesn't suit your stance here.

Ellie killed majority of his men? Lmao Joel tore through a horde of them at the village after he woke up, and then a bunch of them at the town that were pursuing Ellie. Most of Ellie's kills were through stealth or firearms anyway, and she was clearly at a disadvantage in any head on physical conflict. If you think Ellie would have survived that mess if Joel hadn't taken out the rest of Captain Pedo's crew? No way man.

 

[SLB1904]

So you didnt understand the context of my post at all then.



Your argument is absurd. Plenty of the story is told in game during the gameplay dude. You can't throw all that out just bc it doesn't suit your stance here.

Ellie killed majority of his men? Lmao Joel tore through a horde of them at the village after he woke up, and then a bunch of them at the town that were pursuing Ellie. Most of Ellie's kills were through stealth or firearms anyway, and she was clearly at a disadvantage in any head on physical conflict. If you think Ellie would have survived that mess if Joel hadn't taken out the rest of Captain Pedo's crew? No way man.

yeah i think so. im tired anyway lol

 

[siekro1983]

So you didnt understand the context of my post at all then.



Your argument is absurd. Plenty of the story is told in game during the gameplay dude. You can't throw all that out just bc it doesn't suit your stance here.

Ellie killed majority of his men? Lmao Joel tore through a horde of them at the village after he woke up, and then a bunch of them at the town that were pursuing Ellie. Most of Ellie's kills were through stealth or firearms anyway, and she was clearly at a disadvantage in any head on physical conflict. If you think Ellie would have survived that mess if Joel hadn't taken out the rest of Captain Pedo's crew? No way man.

During gameplay it's unrealistic as fuck. you are pretty much killing thousands of people/infected like you're a super solider. i focus more on the cutscenes for story, while gameplay is just gameplay, to me the scene where she killed the leader stood out, like that would have been a great scene for joel to save her imo, especially after she saved him big time 2 times. like i said before it's a videogame they both should have a 0% of survival rate against 20-50 armed men.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Female MMA fighters are tested frequently.

Kayla Harrison

Colleen Fotsch (the model for TLOU character) competes in cross-fit competition and they tested for banned substance.



Colleen Fotsch competes in crossfit completions, a sport where they test frequently.

Have you seen this person? You know that UFC let trans woman compete (more like beat up, or massacre) against plain old women. You can argue as long or as hard as you want, if you had testosterone in your body since you have been in your mom's belly up until the transition, you will have more bone density and muscle strength than pretty much any women, athlete or not. This is true even if you take blockers, etc. no matter how long. How they feel about it doesn't change muscle and bones structure.

Look at the fit ladies behind Kayla, this is what fit women usually look like, actual MMA women fighters are more buff, but they still don't look like men when you take a quick look.

And look you have to be nice and inclusive to actual women too, letting trans athletes compete in many sports means erasing women from these sports... and it's not just about losing, there was a trans fighter in the MMA that broke their opponent's skull (yup a woman), and then she said something to the effect that not so long ago you were going to prison if you beat up a women and send her to the hospital, but now you get paid for it.

However neither has the body type I suspect strong women would end up after a civilization collapse, I think many would end up looking like farmer women did 100 or so years ago (not the urban type), so that means I think the common lady would look like the old times farmer's wife.

So if they want to be "realistic" why not take someone who was born as a woman as a model? or one that could be a model for transitioners, many are overly feminine, same for those MMA fighters on the picture above, they pretty feminine (and I would not want to end up in the ring with any of them).

Anyway, that's the designer's choice, we have to live with it, but we don't have to agree with the explanation.

If you believe in global warming - and you have some claim of basing your thoughts on science - you cannot reject the existing notions around biological sex/gender, this is literally more sure than pretty much anything in science.

 

[Dacon]

During gameplay it's unrealistic as fuck.

So is every single movie where someone faces massive odds and survives. What's your point?

you are pretty much killing thousands of people/infected like you're a super solider.

I doubt you can even find a thousand npcs to kill in one playthrough of this game. The enemy count in this game is pretty modest compared to most action games of the like.

i focus more on the cutscenes for story, while gameplay is just gameplay, to me the scene where she killed the leader stood out, like that would have been a great scene for joel to save her imo, especially after she saved him big time 2 times. like i said before it's a videogame they both should have a 0% of survival rate against 20-50 armed men.

So you ignore the things that don't support your argument. The fact that it is a video game is totally irrelevant. Ellie only survives because Joel saves her in severely high risk situations, which are tied directly into the games dialogue and plot, regardless of them taking place during gameplay segments. Joel is the reason Ellie lives up to the end. There's no divorcing that from the plot. There isn't.

 

[siekro1983]

So is every single movie where someone faces massive odds and survives. What's your point?



I doubt you can even find a thousand npcs to kill in one playthrough of this game. The enemy count in this game is pretty modest compared to most action games of the like.



So you ignore the things that don't support your argument. The fact that it is a video game is totally irrelevant. Ellie only survives because Joel saves her in severely high risk situations, which are tied directly into the games dialogue and plot, regardless of them taking place during gameplay segments. Joel is the reason Ellie lives up to the end. There's no divorcing that from the plot. There isn't.

So is every single movie where someone faces massive odds and survives. What's your point?



I doubt you can even find a thousand npcs to kill in one playthrough of this game. The enemy count in this game is pretty modest compared to most action games of the like.



So you ignore the things that don't support your argument. The fact that it is a video game is totally irrelevant. Ellie only survives because Joel saves her in severely high risk situations, which are tied directly into the games dialogue and plot, regardless of them taking place during gameplay segments. Joel is the reason Ellie lives up to the end. There's no divorcing that from the plot. There isn't.

many movies have it's fodder enemies they are just there for cool action scenes and really don't add anything to the story.

1000 or 200 what's the difference? it's impossible odds. through out the whole game IIRC there isn't one scene where ellie tells joel thank you for saving me, it's more about she doesn't wanna be alone .

 

[DForce]

Have you seen this person? You know that UFC let trans woman compete (more like beat up, or massacre) against plain old women. You can argue as long or as hard as you want, if you had testosterone in your body since you have been in your mom's belly up until the transition, you will have more bone density and muscle strength than pretty much any women, athlete or not. This is true even if you take blockers, etc. no matter how long. How they feel about it doesn't change muscle and bones structure.

Look at the fit ladies behind Kayla, this is what fit women usually look like, actual MMA women fighters are more buff, but they still don't look like men when you take a quick look.


And look you have to be nice and inclusive to actual women too, letting trans athletes compete in many sports means erasing women from these sports... and it's not just about losing, there was a trans fighter in the MMA that broke their opponent's skull (yup a woman), and then she said something to the effect that not so long ago you were going to prison if you beat up a women and send her to the hospital, but now you get paid for it.

However neither has the body type I suspect strong women would end up after a civilization collapse, I think many would end up looking like farmer women did 100 or so years ago (not the urban type), so that means I think the common lady would look like the old times farmer's wife.

So if they want to be "realistic" why not take someone who was born as a woman as a model? or one that could be a model for transitioners, many are overly feminine, same for those MMA fighters on the picture above, they pretty feminine (and I would not want to end up in the ring with any of them).

Anyway, that's the designer's choice, we have to live with it, but we don't have to agree with the explanation.

If you believe in global warming - and you have some claim of basing your thoughts on science - you cannot reject the existing notions around biological sex/gender, this is literally more sure than pretty much anything in science.

Where did I talk about trans women?

No where.

Where did I talk about women fighting against men in real competition?

No where.

If you're going to make along post, at least take the time to read my post. This is by far the most irreverent response I received on NeoGAF.

 

[sendit]

During gameplay it's unrealistic as fuck. you are pretty much killing thousands of people/infected like you're a super solider. i focus more on the cutscenes for story, while gameplay is just gameplay, to me the scene where she killed the leader stood out, like that would have been a great scene for joel to save her imo, especially after she saved him big time 2 times. like i said before it's a videogame they both should have a 0% of survival rate against 20-50 armed men.

Agreed. This is why I only play The Sims.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Any word if there are going tk be lickers or tyrants in this

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Where did I talk about trans women?

No where.

Where did I talk about women fighting against men in real competition?

No where.

If you're going to make along post, at least take the time to read my post. This is by far the most irreverent response I received on NeoGAF.

You showed a picture of a trans athlete,then you axt as if you did not bring up the subject.

 

[siekro1983]

You showed a picture of a trans athlete,then you axt as if you did not bring up the subject.

Well it wasn't a trans she was roided to the gills though, but he thinks its natural lmao.

 

[GymWolf]

Because you sound that naugty dog is reacting to this stupid woke trend that is going on.
Her sexuality isnt the focus of the game.
Like i said woman at least in Brazil and Portugal are hitting the gym hard.
So is not something uncommon for me see a rpped woman.
Thats why i find bizarre this comments.
If these games were realistic
Man woukd be bald and with beer belly. But no they all look like dwayne Johnson.

Tbf all mens in the enemy cult are bald

 

[GymWolf]

During gameplay it's unrealistic as fuck. you are pretty much killing thousands of people/infected like you're a super solider. i focus more on the cutscenes for story, while gameplay is just gameplay, to me the scene where she killed the leader stood out, like that would have been a great scene for joel to save her imo, especially after she saved him big time 2 times. like i said before it's a videogame they both should have a 0% of survival rate against 20-50 armed men.

Are you bipolar?
You don't like skinny girls killing mens but you don't like muscolar women killing mens either...

Just say that you don't like female protagonist in videogame without involving woke stuff(who everybody here hates to death) so we can move on...

 

[Dacon]

many movies have it's fodder enemies they are just there for cool action scenes and really don't add anything to the story.

1000 or 200 what's the difference? it's impossible odds. through out the whole game IIRC

You are clearly only interested in posting nonsense devoid of context, nuance, and coherency.

there isn't one scene where ellie tells joel thank you for saving me, it's more about she doesn't wanna be alone .

DID YOU EVEN PLAY THE FUCKING GAME?



I don't even know what the fuck youre even trying to get at here, with this nonsense.

 

[GymWolf]

Any word if there are going tk be lickers or tyrants in this

ND showed a revolutionary new type of mutant, basically a bloater with some aoe gas shit.
Can't wait for their revolutionary take on triple A games...

 

[siekro1983]

You are clearly only interested in posting nonsense devoid of context, nuance, and coherency.



DID YOU EVEN PLAY THE FUCKING GAME?



I don't even know what the fuck youre even trying to get at here, with this nonsense.

I finished 2 times, first time was what amazing experience. second time you really see how shit the combat is.

 

[GymWolf]

Have you seen this person? You know that UFC let trans woman compete (more like beat up, or massacre) against plain old women. You can argue as long or as hard as you want, if you had testosterone in your body since you have been in your mom's belly up until the transition, you will have more bone density and muscle strength than pretty much any women, athlete or not. This is true even if you take blockers, etc. no matter how long. How they feel about it doesn't change muscle and bones structure.

Look at the fit ladies behind Kayla, this is what fit women usually look like, actual MMA women fighters are more buff, but they still don't look like men when you take a quick look.

And look you have to be nice and inclusive to actual women too, letting trans athletes compete in many sports means erasing women from these sports... and it's not just about losing, there was a trans fighter in the MMA that broke their opponent's skull (yup a woman), and then she said something to the effect that not so long ago you were going to prison if you beat up a women and send her to the hospital, but now you get paid for it.

However neither has the body type I suspect strong women would end up after a civilization collapse, I think many would end up looking like farmer women did 100 or so years ago (not the urban type), so that means I think the common lady would look like the old times farmer's wife.

So if they want to be "realistic" why not take someone who was born as a woman as a model? or one that could be a model for transitioners, many are overly feminine, same for those MMA fighters on the picture above, they pretty feminine (and I would not want to end up in the ring with any of them).

Anyway, that's the designer's choice, we have to live with it, but we don't have to agree with the explanation.

If you believe in global warming - and you have some claim of basing your thoughts on science - you cannot reject the existing notions around biological sex/gender, this is literally more sure than pretty much anything in science.

For poeple who wanna wank on the big boobs fighter in the photo,don't miss the last dana white in search for a fight episode (or just watch the tuf season with her on it)

 

[GymWolf]

I finished 2 times, first time was what amazing experience. second time you really see how shit the combat is.

Combat is by far the best thing in the game with the graphics\animation.

Have you played at the hardest difficulty?

 

[siekro1983]

Combat is by far the best thing in the game with the graphics\animation.

Have you played at the hardest difficulty?

Played it on hard difficulty only

 

[IAmLegendary]

Heard TLOU II wont have MP is that true?

 

[wintersouls]

What country is it?

I live in Andalucia. Spain.

 

[GymWolf]

Played it on hard difficulty only

What is wrong with combat?
The ia is aggressive most of the time, the gunplay is meaty and with good gore and enemy reaction, the melee is still the best ever in terms of animation and camera work (but mechanically simple i give you that) it's a little slow-paced\realistic but i like that way.

Ok maybe enemy variety is shit, but in other "realistic" games you only kill humams, so...

 

[OrionNebula]

Heard TLOU II wont have MP is that true?

ND aiming to have it as a stand alone thing, eventually, as far as I’ve read

 

[gunslikewhoa]

This thread gave me cancer.

 

[siekro1983]

What is wrong with combat?
The ia is aggressive most of the time, the gunplay is meaty and with good gore and enemy reaction, the melee is still the best ever in terms of animation and camera work (but mechanically simple i give you that) it's a little slow-paced\realistic but i like that way.

Ok maybe enemy variety is shit, but in other "realistic" games you only kill humams, so...

Haven't played in like years but what stuck out to me that it wasn't challenging, you could easily run up on humans and melee them most of the time. 2 looks much better though.

 

[GymWolf]

Haven't played in like years but what stuck out to me that it wasn't challenging, you could easily run up on humans and melee them most of the time. 2 looks much better though.

That's why i ask you if you tried the hardest difficulty...

Almost every AAA game in the last 10 years is piss easy even on hard...by the time ypu reach endgame on hard you have almost more weapon and ammo than fucking marcus phoenix from gears...

 

[siekro1983]

That's why i ask you if you tried the hardest difficulty...

Almost every AAA game in the last 10 years is piss easy even on hard...by the time ypu reach endgame on hard you have almost more weapon and ammo than fucking marcus phoenix from gears...

I might replay it one last time.

 

[GymWolf]

I might replay it one last time.

Nah, don't burn yourself before the sequel.
Just play tlou2 at max difficulty hoping that this time devs includes all the fucking difficulty level at launch and not like tlou1 or other games...

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Combat is by far the best thing in the game with the graphics\animation.

Have you played at the hardest difficulty?

I might replay it one last time.

I like the game more every time I play it, mainly because I started playing on Hard (I don't have the nerve to try the harder difficulty level), another thing that I think makes the game more enjoyable is disabling the ability to see through walls and playing with headphones, using your own senses to locate and follow enemies.

Anyway, I now feel that there are too many resources on hard, and the combat is pretty good.

 

[OrionNebula]

I might replay it one last time.

Please do.
Otherwise you might run out of things to hate on it

 

[OrionNebula]

This thread gave me cancer.

 

[siekro1983]

Please do.
Otherwise you might run out of things to hate on it

I think the best part about it was experiencing the story and the world for the first time. the game got me back into gaming.

 

[GraveyGamer]

Cannot wait I love the first one

 

[DForce]

You showed a picture of a trans athlete,then you axt as if you did not bring up the subject.

I showed a picture of a female judo fighter who went up against Ronda Rousey in the 2005 championship.

 

[Hobbygaming]

During gameplay it's unrealistic as fuck. you are pretty much killing thousands of people/infected like you're a super solider. i focus more on the cutscenes for story, while gameplay is just gameplay, to me the scene where she killed the leader stood out, like that would have been a great scene for joel to save her imo, especially after she saved him big time 2 times. like i said before it's a videogame they both should have a 0% of survival rate against 20-50 armed men.

It's still a video game

Should a soldier like Marcus Fenix be able to take down a Brumak?

Should Master Chief be able jump into space and ride a bomb down to nuke some aliens?

 

[siekro1983]

It's still a video game

Should a soldier like Marcus Fenix be able to take down a Brumak

Should Master Chief be able jump into space and ride a bomb down to nuke some aliens

I was trying to say that gameplay and cutscenes are different . For example in spiderman a regular human can hurt spiderman which makes zero sense but it's there to make the game challenging, now if it happens in cutscene as part of the story it would be really stupid.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

It’s not like devs are doing anything wrong. They are just making the game they want to make, you either you are going to like it or not.

If they go out of their way to shove their political ideology down our throats, especially when it affects their art negatively or are doing it to rustle the jimmies of the people who disagree with them, then it's fair to argue that they are. But I agree if it's what they felt was best for the character, and since I don't know for sure as there's no real proof, I can't say for certain.

People don't actually care nor go out of their way, they're just speaking their mind just as much as one says the devs are.