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Sony Positions Next PlayStation for Hard-Core Gamers.

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
You might not care about it that much but I do, I don’t want my favourite games get censored. I’m sure lots of people would have been super pissed if the violence in MK games get censored as well.

I do care, but I do not think we are anywhere near that... violence wise especially. This is also why I think it is an overblown issue meant more for people to war with each other than not... there is censorship occurring yes, but I think all publishers are being affected by the current socio political climate: see S-E and the handling of Tifa in the high budget FFVIO Remake vs the lower budget Dissidia...
 
Hard-core is going to be giving gamers what they want.

Which means AAA titles both first and third party.

Expect that Sony war chest to be used to lock up timed third party exclusives to starve other platforms of content during the all important early years.
 
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Kagey K

Banned
Hard-core is going to be giving gamers what they want.

Which means AAA titles both first and third party.

Expect that Sony war chest to be used to lock up timed third party exclusives to starve other platforms of content during the all important early years.
So,they are going to release Madden twice a year? I don’t think so.

I don’t think you understand the game industry well.
 

FranXico

Member
Hard-core is going to be giving gamers what they want.

Which means AAA titles both first and third party.

Expect that Sony war chest to be used to lock up timed third party exclusives to starve other platforms of content during the all important early years.
Sony may be doing better lately, but they still have a puny war chest compared to the competition. In checkbook warfare, you can't win against a monopolist.

They should use their best first-party talents to expand the existing studios and create new studios instead.
 
So,they are going to release Madden twice a year? I don’t think so.

I don’t think you understand the game industry well.
The industry is moving further and further away from these practices, look at Quantum Dream, gone, look at Supermassive, gone, look at Ready at Dawn, gone...

It's only going to get thinner and thinner.
 
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Meanwhile, xbox fanboys watch their favorite brand slowly becoming and App and exiting the hardware race, I really miss the Dreamcast.
Yep, they're on the verge of releasing a new console and they've already talked about one coming even after it but they're sure exiting the console business...

Nintendo will be the first to go btw.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why are you talking about Xbox? You clearly have some underlying issues that you may need to work out because it seems pretty clear that a post such as that was highlighting a parallel for the last time Sony started talking like this.

You are seriously playing this disingenuous angle, aren’t you? Keep coming into Sony related thread to spread FUD or one line drive by trolls for lols and then shout about SonyGAF if someone is not just limiting themselves to how awesome something Xbox PR says it is awesome and dares to ask questions or shows any doubt ;).
 

bitbydeath

Member
She’s so gross. Aloy is so much hotter.

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You are seriously playing this disingenuous angle, aren’t you? Keep coming into Sony related thread to spread FUD or one line drive by trolls for lols and then shout about SonyGAF if someone is not just limiting themselves to how awesome something Xbox PR says it is awesome and dares to ask questions or shows any doubt ;).
You can't stop talking about Xbox in PlayStation threads, weird.

You're so ashamed of the way Aloy looks you can't even post her? You have to post some cosplay/render of a far more attractive take on her lol?
 
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FranXico

Member
You are seriously playing this disingenuous angle, aren’t you? Keep coming into Sony related thread to spread FUD or one line drive by trolls for lols and then shout about SonyGAF if someone is not just limiting themselves to how awesome something Xbox PR says it is awesome and dares to ask questions or shows any doubt ;).
He asked us to stop going off-topic, so I would not bother responding any more if I were you. ;)
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
You can't stop talking about Xbox in PlayStation threads, weird.
You cannot stop shit talking in threads of things you do not care about...

He asked us to stop going off-topic, so I would not bother responding any more if I were you. ;)

I just love when the guy starting threads such as ( https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-...station-4-pro-to-500-enhanced-titles.1490365/ ) and comes regularly in PS related threads to shit on it or spread FUD or troll Is being triggered by not keeping this subject pure... “with all the effort I spent into turning this topic in another anti Sony one, how dare you derail it from there?” ;)... of course this is SonyGAF and they are the oppressed population.
 
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I'd rather have Sony invest in their own first-party instead of trying to have (timed) third-party exclusives... I hope that the greed of big third-party publishers will ensure that their games will release on multiple platforms. I strongly believe that the era of third-party exclusives is over (as it should be!). There's just too much money to be had by releasing games on multiple platforms.

I wouldn't have a problem with that if it wasn't for the fact that AAA development cycles have become increasingly longer and it's been implied that their 1st party offerings will be significantly smaller in the next generation. Not to mention Sony's games for the most part have really become unstimulating in terms of gameplay. These cinematic experiences offer high end visual presentation, but fall short on challenging and deep gameplay.

"They have no choice but to release their game with us so it doesn't matter if we pay attention to them or not"

That's essentially what it's saying, hate to break it to you but they don't....

In an age where there are a variety of self-distribution platforms to choose from I don't think that's true. Sony is signaling they're too big to fail. I'm honestly expecting a hefty price tag on their next gen console.
 
You cannot stop shit talking in threads of things you do not care about...



I just love when the guys starting threads such as ( https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-...station-4-pro-to-500-enhanced-titles.1490365/ ) and comes regularly in PS related threads to shit on it or spread FUD or troll Is being triggered by not keeping this subject pure... “with all the effort I spent into turning this topic in another anti Sony one, how dare you derail it from there?”...
You have some insecurity issues, and Xbox issues. You need to sort yourself out.
 

Kagey K

Banned
You cannot stop shit talking in threads of things you do not care about...



I just love when the guy starting threads such as ( https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-...station-4-pro-to-500-enhanced-titles.1490365/ ) and comes regularly in PS related threads to shit on it or spread FUD or troll Is being triggered by not keeping this subject pure... “with all the effort I spent into turning this topic in another anti Sony one, how dare you derail it from there?” ;)... of course this is SonyGAF and they are the oppressed population.
Oof, not a good look.
 

HeresJohnny

Member
Expanding on the PS4 strategy, not repeating launch PS3’s one...
I’d read the PS4 was going to be more expensive right up until the week of it being announced, where they realized it would be a mistake. They need to thread the needle again, a $500 console will not sell. Not once the initilal pool of hardcore people gobble it up and you get to the mainstream buyer.
 
I’d read the PS4 was going to be more expensive right up until the week of it being announced, where they realized it would be a mistake. They need to thread the needle again, a $500 console will not sell. Not once the initilal pool of hardcore people gobble it up and you get to the mainstream buyer.
Correction, one $500 console will not sell, two $500 consoles will.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Exactly, be quiet.

Lol 😂, sure. So unless I get pictures of SNES, launch Game Gear + PALTV add-on and battery pack, Mega Drive (traded it in for the original PS1 way back when, kind of regret it), C64, Amiga 2000 with two floppy disk drives but sadly no HDD nor PC expansion card, DS, DS Lite, DSi, 3DS, Wii U, Switch, Saturn, OG Xbox, Xbox 360, PS1, PS2 with PS2 Linux Kit and FFXI HDD and network adaptor, launch PSP, launch PS Vita, launch PS3, PS4 Pro, iPhone, etc... / get my dick out you are going to be annoyed? Oh well...
I missed how you clearly love the PS brand as much as the other and are clearly unbiased because you posted pictures of games consoles and you can then resume your cheerleader routine and be your negative self on PS threads (albeit with projecting Nintendo to be the first one to go out of business...).
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I’d read the PS4 was going to be more expensive right up until the week of it being announced, where they realized it would be a mistake. They need to thread the needle again, a $500 console will not sell. Not once the initilal pool of hardcore people gobble it up and you get to the mainstream buyer.

Agreed, launch pricing is key.
 
Lol 😂, sure. So unless I get pictures of SNES, launch Game Gear + PALTV adding and battery pack, Mega Drive (traded it in for the original PS1 way back when, kind of regret it), C64, Amiga 2000, DS, DS Lite, DSi, 3DS, Wii U, Switch, Saturn, OG Xbox, Xbox 360, PS1, PS2, launch PS3, PS4 Pro, iPhone, etc... / get my dick out you are going to be annoyed? Oh well...
I missed how you clearly love the PS brand as much as the other and are clearly unbiased because you posted pictures of games consoles and you can then resume your cheerleader routine and be your negative self on PS threads (albeit with projecting Nintendo to be the first one to go out of business...).
Do you even own a PlayStation?

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HeresJohnny

Member
Correction, one $500 console will not sell, two $500 consoles will.
They’ll sell combined about the same amount that one would have, yes. ;)

Edit: joking aside, do you really not see what an absolute goat fuck releasing $500 or higher hardware would be?
 
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Hudo

Member
I wouldn't have a problem with that if it wasn't for the fact that AAA development cycles have become increasingly longer and it's been implied that their 1st party offerings will be significantly smaller in the next generation. Not to mention Sony's games for the most part have really become unstimulating in terms of gameplay. These cinematic experiences offer high end visual presentation, but fall short on challenging and deep gameplay.

I mean, from Sony's point of view, it makes sense to try to fill the gaps with third-party (timed) exclusives. However, I see that more as a short-term solution. Investing (and diversifying!) the first-party studios is something that I see as being beneficial to the long-term, as I don't see it as a sustainable strategy (big publishers want to have more and more money for some exclusivity as the games get more and more expensive to make...) But then again, I am playing armchair-business guy right now, so maybe their current strategy makes super sense and I am just too ignorant to understand.
 
They’ll sell combined about the same amount that one would have, yes. ;)

Edit: joking aside, do you really not see what an absolute goat fuck releasing $500 or higher hardware would be?
No, because it's 2019, and people need to get over this crazed delusion that console hardware needs to remain in this frozen bubble of $400 and any cost above that the manufacturer needs to eat.
 

HeresJohnny

Member
To be fair the too big to fail like comment is really hearsay... I do not think we see arrogant Sony back like meme behaviour...

I don’t think they’re arrogant, but I also don’t want them to make a mistake, which a high price would be. There’s s reason the Microsoft fans in this thread are hoping for that to happen.
 

HeresJohnny

Member
No, because it's 2019, and people need to get over this crazed delusion that console hardware needs to remain in this frozen bubble of $400 and any cost above that the manufacturer needs to eat.

The bubble you speak of is reality. Name one case where a $500 console has been a resounding success. People like you and I don’t count in the big picture beyond getting things rolling. It’s the people in the middle who make a generation and there’s been zero evidence those people are willing to buy a console at $500.

My best example would be the Xbox One X, which is a machine designed for the hardcore enthusiast according to Microsoft itself. It sold to the hardcore and then it fell hard. Hell, it’s $400-$430 now and it’s still not selling.

Edit: you have to come to grips with the fact that many people who play games (and especially those who don’t) just don’t love this hobby like you do and have to be sold on the idea of buying in, usually when the cost of entry is sub-$200. The PS4 launched at $399 and is still over $200 over 5 years later, and we are seeing its sales numbers erode because it is running out of buyers at that price point and not reaching those buyers who buy in at $150 and lower. $500 machines would take all that much longer to come down in price and would likely never get that group of buyers, and there are millions of them.
 
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The bubble you speak of is reality. Name one case where a $500 console has been a resounding success. People like you and I don’t count in the big picture beyond getting things rolling. It’s the people in the middle who make a generation and there’s been zero evidence those people are willing to buy a console at $500.

My best example would be the Xbox One X, which is a machine designed for the hardcore enthusiast according to Microsoft itself. It sold to the hardcore and then it fell hard. Hell, it’s $400-$430 now and it’s still not selling.

Edit: you have to come to grips with the fact that many people who play games (and especially those who don’t) just don’t love this hobby like you do and have to be sold on the idea of buying in, usually when the cost of entry is sub-$200. The PS4 launched at $399 and is still over $200 over 5 years later, and we are seeing its sales numbers erode because it is running out of buyers at that price point and not reaching those buyers who buy in at $150 and lower. $500 machines would take all that much longer to come down in price and would likely never get that group of buyers, and there are millions of them.
It's not reality, it's people who expect technology prices to remain static in the face of rising costs and inflation, it's pure selfish delusion. Do you know how much flagship GPU's were 15 years ago? $500, and what are they now? $700-$1,200. Cost increases over time and there's many different justifications for it, a $400 expectation is not only going to deliver you a Grade A underwhelming pile of shit, it's a frankly stupid expectation to hold for a new console to release at in 2020.

The only reason $500 seems jarring is because each side tries to low ball the other and lay out the perception that $500 is expensive, it's not. If they both came on at $500 that would be the new baseline, people would accept it and buy it all the same.

Oh and the Xbox One (any model) is selling as it is because it's an Xbox One, not because of its price.
 
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HeresJohnny

Member
It's not reality, it's people who expect technology prices to remain static in the face of rising costs and inflation, it's pure selfish delusion. Do you know how much flagship GPU's were 15 years ago? $500, and what are they now? $700-$1,200. Cost increases over time and there's many different justifications for it, a $400 expectation is not only going to deliver you a Grade A underwhelming pile of shit, it's a frankly stupid expectation to hold for a new console to release at in 2020.

The only reason $500 seems jarring is because each side tries to low ball the other and lay out the perception that $500 is expensive, it's not. If they both came on at $500 that would be the new baseline, people would accept it and buy it all the same.

Oh and the Xbox One (any model) is selling as it is because it's an Xbox One, not because of its price.

Again, cite an example where a $500 or higher machine has sold like crazy. The console market is not the PC market, they don’t share the same business model or even the same type of customer and never have, don’t know why you brought that up.

One of us has historical precedent on his side and the other is angry because he feels console gamers have entitled attitudes, which are two different things.
 
Again, cite an example where a $500 or higher machine has sold like crazy. The console market is not the PC market, they don’t share the same business model or even the same type of customer and never have, don’t know why you brought that up.

One of us has historical precedent on his side and the other is angry because he feels console gamers have entitled attitudes, which are two different things.
You keep trying to use examples of the past where money was worth far more than it is now, stop it.

The value of currency changes, technology gets more expensive to develop and produce. This all goes without saying yet here we are.

GET WITH THE TIMES

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HeresJohnny

Member
You keep trying to use examples of the past where money was worth far more than it is now, stop it.

The value of currency changes, technology gets more expensive to develop and produce. This all goes without saying yet here we are.

GET WITH THE TIMES

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More deflection. We’re done here.
 

HeresJohnny

Member
It's not deflection, you're in absolute denial of the world around you.

A Corvette cost $4,800 in the 70's... They're $120,000 now.

None of this is hard to grasp, you're just being absurdly difficult.

I’m not the one saying something is different than what is fact. Sony tried expensive and it failed. Microsoft tried expensive and it failed. Trip Hawkins tried expensive and he failed. Neo Geo tried expensive and they failed.

I’m not saying it’s RIGHT, I’m saying this is the reality of the console market. You don’t have to like it, but that doesn’t change that it is the reality of the market because it’s there in black and white for you to see. You’re arguing like history is a malleable thing that can be argued but again the truth is the market has rejected higher priced hardware every single time from multiple parties across multiple decades.

Go stand outside a store with a sandwich board on talking about inflation to people buying these machines. You know how many fucks will be given? Zero.😘
 
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I’m not the one saying something is different than what is fact. Sony tried expensive and it failed. Microsoft tried expensive and it failed. Trip Hawkins tried expensive and it failed.

I’m not saying it’s RIGHT, I’m saying this is the reality of the console market. You don’t have to like it, but that doesn’t change that it is the reality of the market because it’s there in black and white for you to see.

Go stand outside a store with a sandwich board on talking about inflation to people buying these machines. You know how many fucks will be given? Zero.😘
GET WITH THE TIMES

This is just inflation, the devaluation of currency from the PS3's launch to now. $400 then is $508 right now, it will likely be $520+ by the end of 2020.

That's just inflation. That doesn't account for increased cost of design and manufacturing, sourcing, shipping, none of it.

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HeresJohnny

Member
GET WITH THE TIMES

This is just inflation, the devaluation of currency from the PS3's launch to now. $400 then is $508 right now, it will likely be $520+ by the end of 2020.

That's just inflation. That doesn't account for increased cost of design and manufacturing, sourcing, shipping, none of it.

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Which means precisely fuck all if no one buys the damn thing.

Even a recent poll on Gaf (GAF!) showed around a third of people wouldn’t buy in at $500 or more. That’s the hardcore market right there, now how do you think the casual public feels about it?
 
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Which means precisely fuck all if no one buys the damn thing.
It means everything, it means that $400 in 2006 is $508 right now, so it's not more expensive, it's exactly the same.

$400 is $500

Value of money goes down, wages go up, prices on literally everything around you goes up... Consoles stay $400 forever. Genius.
 
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