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Xbox Unit Sales Down YOY - Only 36 Million Xbox's Sold
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Kagey K
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Seems unlikely to me, do you think they shipped 15 mil consoles since June? Also that chart says install base.
Nothing about this seems accurate to me.
Vawn
Banned
Xbox's sales being up in 2018 from the previous year is more a testament about how insanely bad 2017's sales were.
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SonGoku
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idk that's why i ask, also edited my post
Would manufactured consoles make sense? as in shipped plus factory stock?
But yeah agree numbers look iffy, 36m is too low a number for shipped xbo
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TeamGhobad
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i have never bought a car game in my life. compared to the other car franchises like GT how does it compare? Is it really a system seller?
ya i've been reading 38.5 million for a long time now.
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Son_of_Zardoz
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Glad we have you to guides us through these rough times with your enlightening commentary on a platform you have no interest in. Does it anger you that people still enjoy said platform even if it isn't leading in sales?
AlexxKidd
Member
Sony's forecast is indeed 17 million, however if you look at the chart in the OP it has PS4's 2018 units already over 20 million. Even Sony's 17 million isnt projected to happen until the end of the fiscal year in March, this chart has them already over 20 million. Again, the other numbers look legit im not questioning the report, Id just like to know what in the world type of metric are they using to have those 2018 numbers where they are. Even with PSVR added, they are not over 20 million this year to date. Are they extrapolating? Thats whats unclear.
Stuart360
Member
Maybe they are just more bothered about how much profit they are making, not dick measuring contests. I mean i'm sure they would love to be winning this gen, but only because that would mean more profit, nothing to do with console warz.
Kagey K
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Nah it’s a complete joke. After reading through all 35 pages it can be disregarded as nonsense.
He even states right on page 2 (which reads like it’s supposed to be subscriber only information)
Calibos
Member
Perfect thread to bring out the "Xbox Troll Force"!!! You guys should start a jazz band.
For the topic...MAUs are all that matter for MS from here on out really. With their subscription services and future streaming plans, they are just fine. X1X is a hit and software is coming so even though they have struggled mightily to sell hardware on Sony's level this gen, they are not going anywhere at all anytime soon. Also, people should keep in mind that MS considers it's PC players and it's X players as one group so any actual numbers on hardware sales are slightly meaning less to them.
Sony continues to shock me with their continued growth, but when you release games like Spiderman and God of War exclusively, with only one place to play them, then it makes sense.
Also, this chart and numbers are a complete crock of shit.
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bitbydeath
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EA had them at 29M for last year so it probably isn’t that far off.
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/xbox-one-x-lifetime-sales-december-2017-microsoft-ea-1850329
Where are people getting 40M+ from?
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/xbox-one-x-lifetime-sales-december-2017-microsoft-ea-1850329
Where are people getting 40M+ from?
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Yeah, that was my assumption as well. We're 5 years in and they haven't passed 40M? Hoping that Microsoft can continue to rejuvenate the brand because that's quite a decline compared to last-gen.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The plot thickens.
TeamGhobad
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didn't know people were still accusing people of being trolls or fanboys, i thought the 12yos were now in their 20s. ok ill take the bait, FYI i own an XBOX ONE and thats it. no ps4 or gaming pc.
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LittleBusters
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Out of his ass.
LittleBusters
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Yeah because Phil Spencer didn't just acquire 4 studios + found a new one + closing on Obsidian Entertainment! Yeah no GAMES emphasis at all!
captainraincoat
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What's with the negative ms threads popping up again
You have an aaa third party title which has marketing rights to a competitor about to be released however it will not be the best version of the game....how do you talk it down??
Dont want to sound tin foil hat like but it seems to happen right before major third party games or when a major first party title is about to drop
You have an aaa third party title which has marketing rights to a competitor about to be released however it will not be the best version of the game....how do you talk it down??
Dont want to sound tin foil hat like but it seems to happen right before major third party games or when a major first party title is about to drop
LittleBusters
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One has to really wonder why so many people are scared that Microsoft is going to make a huge comeback in gaming. It's like they feel threatened or something.
Vawn
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They've acquired studios before and ran them into the ground. I want to see actual games. Not promises.
I bought an Xbox on promises. Show me tangible, quality software now.
Stuart360
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YOU have an Xbox?, i'm surprised with the amount of TheLastWord's posts you 'like'.
Vawn
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I own all the consoles. Have since near launch. I'm hesitant to jump in the next Xbox after this generation.
LittleBusters
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There are literally ~2000 games available to you on XBox One(incl backwards compat). I guess not enough 'actual games'. Microsoft does not exist to provide entertainment solely for YOU, but the billions on this planet.
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Vawn
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That number is meaningless. How many mobile games release each week? That doesn't mean there's a lot worth playing.
I still own a 360 and a PS3. I didn't pay $500 to play last-gen games again. Especially not with the amount of quality games coming out on Switch and PS4.
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LittleBusters
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Look if the actual AAA exclusives are the only thing that matter to you and you prefer single-player epics than Microsoft is not the place for you right now. Will you buy an XBox if the next Fable game is single-player and 95/100 on Metacritic?
Louis Cyphre
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The Xbox One has well over 1,500 games but I forgot you have a Switch and a PS4 and a PC with dual GTX 2080ti cards.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Xbox is at the low-end of 40-50m units shipped in my estimation, with a lot of variance coming from whats loaded into the channel for this upcoming holiday season. If they are getting outsold in the US/UK markets you can safely bet, based on historical market performance/penetration, that they are in an even less advantageous position in the rest of the world.
The existence of the One X I'd say would skew this even more sharply, as frankly I see no reason why such a high-priced SKU would sell markedly better in territories where Xbox has always lagged behind Playstation and Nintendo. Its not an entry-level product, its aimed squarely at the enthusiast market.
Seriously, people need to get a grip on the X hype. Its a great box but its not cheap, and any company can only shift a finite number of units in a year. Look at the historical shipment sizes per year, look to see if there have been serious supply constraints over that time, look at what the competition is doing so as to factor in varying demand, and so forth.
All things considered its unlikely that the X has shifted more than 5 million units worldwide since launch. Its a great performance for a mid-gen refresh, but lets be realistic about how big of a deal it really is.
The existence of the One X I'd say would skew this even more sharply, as frankly I see no reason why such a high-priced SKU would sell markedly better in territories where Xbox has always lagged behind Playstation and Nintendo. Its not an entry-level product, its aimed squarely at the enthusiast market.
Seriously, people need to get a grip on the X hype. Its a great box but its not cheap, and any company can only shift a finite number of units in a year. Look at the historical shipment sizes per year, look to see if there have been serious supply constraints over that time, look at what the competition is doing so as to factor in varying demand, and so forth.
All things considered its unlikely that the X has shifted more than 5 million units worldwide since launch. Its a great performance for a mid-gen refresh, but lets be realistic about how big of a deal it really is.
Elenchus
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Shouldn't the title to this thread be changed?
Stuart360
Member
It doesn't matter really, this will now become 'fact', even though the XB1 has been at 36mil for like 20 years lol.
nani17
are in a big trouble
If this is true again if it's true imo this is what happens when you don't have top exclusives to attract buyers to your system.
Also the launch was the worst thing I've ever seen in a long time. I believe next gen the tables will possibly turn. Phil Spencer knows he needs more exclusives I think he's commented on this before and he knows they need new heavy hitters
Also the launch was the worst thing I've ever seen in a long time. I believe next gen the tables will possibly turn. Phil Spencer knows he needs more exclusives I think he's commented on this before and he knows they need new heavy hitters
Gavon West
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Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Louis Cyphre
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So about as long as Microsoft getting rid of the Xbox division.
nani17
are in a big trouble
Not to be a dick but does this include Windows users. There's an Xbox live app you sign I think that counts as a Xbox live user. Not many use it but you can sign up it's exactly like Xbox live
Sony's last reported sales numbers for the PS4 were 82 million and this was just a few months ago, this was just the "shipped" numbers as of June 30th so actual sales are going to be less. Anyone believing this chart is delusional or like Lastword REALLY bad at math
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/07/31/playstation-4-sales-numbers-82-million/#/slide/1
Sony has revealed staggering numbers for its Q1 Financial Year 2018 results. As of June 30, 2018, 82.2 million PlayStation 4 consoles have been shipped worldwide
Read more at https://www.playstationlifestyle.ne...sales-numbers-82-million/#i4P4I4IppLOLkpPz.99
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/07/31/playstation-4-sales-numbers-82-million/#/slide/1
Sony has revealed staggering numbers for its Q1 Financial Year 2018 results. As of June 30, 2018, 82.2 million PlayStation 4 consoles have been shipped worldwide
Read more at https://www.playstationlifestyle.ne...sales-numbers-82-million/#i4P4I4IppLOLkpPz.99
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I love me some TV Game Machines (not PC) wars threads.
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Gavon West
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This is the quarterly revenue for the Xbox division...
nani17
are in a big trouble
nani17
are in a big trouble
Which is now on windows they have an Xbox division for pc remember cross play features that we have. You need to sign into Xbox live on your pc. So if I buy the pc version and you buy the Xbox we can still play together through Xbox live. Windows dumped the old Windows Live for Xbox instead
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Gavon West
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Regardless, the Xbox division is extremely strong and growing! Microsoft owns both platforms so it's a win-win.
nani17
are in a big trouble
Fair point but the topic is console sales not how many active users they have.
Anyway I would like to see more evidence before I take one report as facts. It's not as bad as the Wii U was
Well here is your evidence that the numbers on the chart are completely false, PS4 did not sell 17 million units + in only a couple of months. 82 million SHIPPED is what Sony reported as of June 30th. Even Sony doesn't expect to SHIP much more than 84 million units by the end of 2018
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/07/31/playstation-4-sales-numbers-82-million/#/slide/1
Sony has revealed staggering numbers for its Q1 Financial Year 2018 results. As of June 30, 2018, 82.2 million PlayStation 4 consoles have been shipped worldwide. By the end of 2018, the company expects the PS4 to outsell the PS3’s lifetime sales, which amount to approximately 83.8 million units. Such an accomplishment in so little time may seem ambitious, but this year’s been good to the PlayStation 4. In the last quarter, Sony shipped 3.2 million PS4 consoles.
Elenchus
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These are excerpts from MS's quarterly earnings report. Its as official as it gets. Sorry but facts are facts. MS's revenues outpaced Nintendo's last year and they are seeing huge growth over even those numbers. Now we all want to see more games from them but we can't be children and pretend that an earnings report can pushed aside as just "one report". There is this small agency in the U.S. called the S.E.C. They tend to take a dim view of companies feeding false earning reports to investors and since MS has a market cap north of 700 bil, I'm guessing their reports are scrutinized as much as, if not more, than any other company. Short of you producing evidence which contradicts these results, we will be treating them as fact and you will be accepting them as such.
All relevant sales data suggests this guy's numbers are off. The most reliable info had the Xb1 units sold at 39.1 million early 2018. They've gone past 40 mil by now. Also lol at PS4 at 100 million. Sony themselves have pretty much invalidated this guy's numbers.
When looking at WW sales, I keep seeing people saying that the XB1 only sells in the US, and UK, and is dead everywhere else. Where are people getting this from? Nowhere reliable, that's for sure.
The XB1 sells well in the US and UK. It doesn't outsell the PS4, but it's competitive. The XB1 sells decently in Australia. It doesn't outsell the PS4 there either, but it does okay. The XB1 sells very well in Latin America. Xbox does outsell PS4 in Mexico. While the PS4 sells better in Brazil than the PS3 did, the XB1 is still the sales leader there. Some suggest that there are actually more PS4's due to the grey market, that's a whole different story, and besides... The grey market ain't what it used to be. The Latin American market is also the fastest growing console market. Asia is the fastest growing gaming market, but Asia is dominated by pc and mobile rather than consoles.
None of this is to suggest that the XB1 is somehow secretly leading sales, poised to make an unexpected comeback, or even to suggest that it isn't getting outsold 2 to 1 by the PS4. I'm merely saying that it is competitive in several markets, and that the report in the OP is false. For him to suggest that the XB1 is at 36, when there is sufficient evidence that it was 39 early this year doesn't look credible. The report looks a complete farce when it reports 100 mil for the PS4 when we know that's not the case.
When looking at WW sales, I keep seeing people saying that the XB1 only sells in the US, and UK, and is dead everywhere else. Where are people getting this from? Nowhere reliable, that's for sure.
The XB1 sells well in the US and UK. It doesn't outsell the PS4, but it's competitive. The XB1 sells decently in Australia. It doesn't outsell the PS4 there either, but it does okay. The XB1 sells very well in Latin America. Xbox does outsell PS4 in Mexico. While the PS4 sells better in Brazil than the PS3 did, the XB1 is still the sales leader there. Some suggest that there are actually more PS4's due to the grey market, that's a whole different story, and besides... The grey market ain't what it used to be. The Latin American market is also the fastest growing console market. Asia is the fastest growing gaming market, but Asia is dominated by pc and mobile rather than consoles.
None of this is to suggest that the XB1 is somehow secretly leading sales, poised to make an unexpected comeback, or even to suggest that it isn't getting outsold 2 to 1 by the PS4. I'm merely saying that it is competitive in several markets, and that the report in the OP is false. For him to suggest that the XB1 is at 36, when there is sufficient evidence that it was 39 early this year doesn't look credible. The report looks a complete farce when it reports 100 mil for the PS4 when we know that's not the case.
AlexxKidd
Member
You keep capitalizing SHIPPED like they're not selling those units. You think they're shipping them for fun? And you do realize the PS4 has more than likely ALREADY surpassed the PS3/Xbox 360, don't you? And by the way, Sony is projecting to SHIP 96 million units by March 2019. They were being very modest with the outselling PS3 statement. They made that 82.2 admission in June knowing they average about 3 million units a quarter (with the fourth quarter being the outlier), so essentially they were half a quarter away from outselling it in June.
The chart in the OP is no doubt wrong about having PS4's 2018 numbers at 20 million, it remains to be seen what type of metrics they're using for that, but they will blow away PS3 sales and march past PlayStation 1 sales (102.5). They won't touch PlayStation 2 sales unless something drastic happens.
Could also be a possible they saw sales slumped and needed to deliver titles to attract more buyers?
JPR is a go to for GPU sales. They've been tracking consoles based on GPUs moved to makers (ie straight from AMD). AMD has cited them as a source for their "we're pwning the market" rhetoric.
Interesting if true. My Xbox has been a dust magnet since MSFT started bring their first title library to PC. I can see this being similar for other PC owners. Either way, you'd expect MSFT to put out something to counter the claim.
LuvOfThaGame
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Please don't call out another user like this randomly. We all know TLW can be a bit...passionate...but there are plenty of other people who prefer Sony consoles/games.
Looks like TLW is sending out PMs again to rally the troops.