Hollywood isn't America.
Though one could argue it is a matter of life imitating "art".
Fuck fucking "Fuck Hollywood" - raze it to the ground, and salt the earth so that nothing foul might spawn there ever again.
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Rose McGowan: Ben Affleck is Lying, he knew about Weinstein raping me and other women
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Hollywood isn't America.
Though one could argue it is a matter of life imitating "art".
Fuck fucking "Fuck Hollywood" - raze it to the ground, and salt the earth so that nothing foul might spawn there ever again.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Good lord, that is crazy. Beyond sickening to think you would continue to support someone like that. I'm assuming Keanu Reeves is considered to be a real good dude here?
entremet
Member
I was wrong about the details. Eduin has it right. He fled before sentencing.
France doesnt have an extradition agreement with the US.
CopperPuppy
Member
Yes. At least personally, Reeves is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of a decent person in Hollywood.
But how about these guys?
Martin Scorsese
Darren Aronofsky
Wes Anderson
David Lynch
Woody Allen
Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu
All (and others) signed a fucking petition to have Polanski released.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
This fucking world man. For such things there should be a exception that they can get the sick fuck back to the US, goddamn man.
But HOW could you in your right mind continue to support someone like that? I'm shocked to hear that about some big actors and directors.
Sato Koiji
Member
Thats not even the tip of the iceberg, holmes. Hollywood is a mess.
Via Purifico
Banned
Judy Garland's story shows this has been a thing and worse in Hollywood.
themaskedndi
Member
She was 18. I'm not sure where people are getting 21/22 from. It happened in 2001.
You can see video of it here.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
I knew about Woody Allen that he did some real horrible stuff too. Didn't he abuse someone? But man, something is wrong with you when you know the person you want released raped a 13 year old girl. I can't even imagine what goes around in their head. Did they believe he was innocent or something? Jesus.
But it's unknown if Nicholson was there when the rape took place? I mean it was his house after all......
That's kind of interesting, actually. Ronan Farrow that wrote the piece on Weinstein in the New Yorker is Woody Allen's son. Ronan broke a story about his father allegedly sexually molesting his 5 year old sister, but that of course too was swept under the rug.
Nothing came out from that, iirc.
The industry is rotten. Everybody knows somebody that knows.
Yeah, one interesting aspect is how it was Ronan Farrow who broke this story, being the son of Woody Allen (and obviously the biological son of Frank Sinatra), two men who typify the old school men of power thing that got away with all sorts of gross shit back in the day.
VistraNorrez
Member
That was investigated but nothing could be proved, for whatever reason.
There was some fuckery involved with his case which people latched on to. He was originally going to get a plea deal that would basically get him off scot-free time served but at the last minute the judge was apparently going to disregard the plea at sentencing and was going to throw him in jail for 50 years. So he booked it and fled to France.
And since then the woman he raped started to ask for the charges to be dropped and let him come back as she was tired of every few years getting harassed by the media and having the whole ordeal constantly brought up never letting her move on. So that too has probably gotten a fair few people to support him insofar as supporting the victim who sadly has had her life ruined by this never being resolved. But it's still no excuse for working with him as so many have done over the years.
So it's a situation that's not without its issues and other factors, but end of the day none of that really matters. He purposefully and knowingly drugged and raped a 13 year old against her will and then fled from justice and has lived as a fugitive for 40 years all while still maintaining a high standard of living and professional success and accolades. He's a an absolute criminal and cannot be forgiven, let alone given amnesty, even if the victim desires it.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Lol jesus. Yeah that dude has 0% Woody Allen DNA.
BattleMonkey
Member
There is also the other classic gropey Ben vid from long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq6xDHBKwQ
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
lol @ the pic, damn, yeah I believe it 100% now xD edit: well it seems Mia Farrow herself believes it too, so yeah.
I remember the Ronan Farrow story about Woody Allen molesting his young sister (that is, that he defended her and said he believed her). That story was horrifying. Nothing ever got proven, but I'm inclined to believe it. Woody Allen is a sleazy perv to begin with and Ronan Farrow has more credibility than these assholes.
That was a weird video but it seemed..... consensual? Has the interviewer spoken out before on that video?
That's bullshit. I don't follow Hollywood gossip sites, nor do I know anyone who does. How the fuck am I supposed to know that Weinstein (a name I only vaguely know from the title cards of movies) is a serial rapist?
Yes, I know about "the casting couch" as a vague concept but to think it goes on at this level, with this many people knowing about it, with so many people involved in actively suppressing victims from getting justice?
Don't tar me as complicit. I've never seen a Woody Allen movie or a Roman Polansky movie in my life, and if Weinstein ever is involved in another movie I won't watch that either.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Hollywood is a subculture that is filled with a bunch of rich powerful men who have the ability to blacklist anyone they deem fit for any reason.
There are literally dozens and dozens of Weinsteins
There are literally dozens and dozens of Weinsteins
This was posted earlier in the thread. Confirmed to be a promotional stunt.
VistraNorrez
Member
This isn't a good reason, but I think a lot in Hollywood who worked with him and knew him, saw The Pianist as him atoning for or purging his terribleness in some way. That movie, even though it was about Szpilman, was very personal to Polanski, and includes atleast one personal incident from his experience as a Holocaust survivor.
Hollywood also loves a comeback/redemption story. And of course many of them are also sexual abusers.
That gif of everyone applauding Polanski is fucking crazy to see for just about everyone that isn't in that room, but you know Hollywood is fucked up. It really just looks worse and worse every year.
I think painting this as only a Hollywood problem would be a large mistake. This shit is happening everywhere. It's happening in Silicon Valley. It's happening all over the offices across America. It's probably happening down the street at your local Wal-Mart or Target. It's happening at restaurants to the servers there. It's happening on college campuses. Men in this country have not learned not to rape or sexually assault. Men in power are especially prone to it. It's a plague.
There's a list of a bunch of people who openly opposed Polanski - some of them even signing a counter-petition - so there's some (at least on the surface) good eggs in Hollywoo.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Kinda ironic seeing Luc Besson there.
I read it as a line Kevin Smith wrote for him. *shrugs*
I don't think it's accurate to think watching their work makes you complicit. For one, filmmaking is a group effort and a film is the subtotal of a lot of people's work. Secondly, you can appreciate the work without condoning or even supporting the artist behind it. I feel a bit uneasy about going to a new Polanski movie at the theatre, but I've no qualms about watching his old movies through video libraries, free screenings at an art house near me, etc. I doubt paying to watch his old movies even benefits him financially in any way these days.
Oh I see, I was under the assumption she already approached authorities and then expected him to do something further?
MisterR
Member
This is my question too. If someone told me they had been raped or assaulted I would feel awful for them, offer them support and encourage them to come forward if they were comfortable with it, but what else could you do? Was Affleck supposed to call the police or go to the press? That was Rose McGowan's decision to make, not his.
I'd like to think that at least some of the people who signed the petition for Polanski's release aren't aware of the full extent of what he's accused of and have just heard the sanitised talking around the facts bullshit his supporters have peddled over the years. Then they'd just be foolish not to have done their research before putting their names to that, rather than hypocrites and moral cowards of the lowest order.
Megalosaro
Banned
Yes. YES. Great post.
Yeah, I knew a girl who worked for Xerox at the corporate level, and the horror stories she had, both personal and stuff she'd heard, were absolutely sickening, and not far off from this Hollywood stuff. Nothing she could do about it, she just ended up leaving instead.
I'm pretty sure everybody knew. Work on just about any set and you're going to hear all kinds of crazy stories from people, most of which have at least some grounding in truth.
Hollywood is and has always been full of sleaze, but it's not unique in that. Any time you have an extremely insular community that has a ton of money hoarded in it, you're going to have gross abuses of power.
Hollywood is and has always been full of sleaze, but it's not unique in that. Any time you have an extremely insular community that has a ton of money hoarded in it, you're going to have gross abuses of power.
CopperPuppy
Member
(Says guy desperately concocting a justification for why his favorite isn't really a child rape apologist)
It doesn't matter what you'd "like to think." I'd like to think all sorts of things. I get it - the director of your favorite movie is on the list or something. Them's the breaks. Everyone knew what time it was, and all those suckas decided to throw their hat in the ring for a rapist. Because you like one or more of them doesn't mean it's time to start spooling up the bullshit excuse-o-matic.
Yeah sorry I just IMDB'd his credits and it wasn't really until the 90s that he got big.
Well, yeah. I'd like to think it because it's horrible.
I mean, I don't know if Luc Besson did any scummy shit or if you're joking about him in relations to his films (I admit I'm sheltered when it comes to film controversies), but take it with a grain of salt anyway - it's dated and we now know about people like Roseanne Barr being alt-right trash.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
The man made some fantastic movies for sure but man, this is crazy. I would like to ask supporters of a person like that if they would do the same if that 13 year old girl was their daughter? Man it's things like these that I would almost say people are a mistake. My God. This shit is depressing to say the least.
entremet
Member
What's happened here?
VistraNorrez
Member
Of course they'd demonize Polanski forever if it was their kid. People are really good at compartmentalizing things that make them feel bad but don't personally affect them.
Reading this on top of everything else about Hollywood today has left me feeling quite ill.
This is horrifying. All of it.
Wow Viacom blocked that video lol
Seems like Affleck is kinda screwed for the foreseeable future.
Astral Dog
Member
Have you heard of President Trump?
