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AMD Ryzen Thread: Affordable Core Act

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enewtabie

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Newboi said:
Wouldn't an overclocked 6700K be better in all gaming scenarios due to it having faster single-threaded performance and 8 effective threads? I'm not sure how switching to Ryzen and X370 will benefit you if you're rocking at 6700K or 7700K. My thoughts would be completely different if you were rocking an i5 or an older generation i7 such as the 4770K or older.
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It's an additional computer. I have like 3 Fractal Cases in the box in my Storage area.
This is for the bonus room of my house,not my office.
 
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tuxfool

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TC McQueen said:
You do know that anything based on UE3 can start utilizing more cores with a simple .ini file tweak, right? I literally got a 30 FPS boost by enabling XCOM 2 to use 4 cores for shaders instead of just two.
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Yes. But not all games are made on UE3, and there is a fair spread in how well current games scale to more cores. Some have excellent scaling whereas others would benefit more from a slight boost in clock speed. Additionally SMT does help soak up any deficiencies on the core count department.

As the other poster said, going from any pure 4 logical core CPU to Ryzen is a no-brainer, from Skylake+ i7 I'd recommend waiting. And this is only thinking about games.
 
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Newboi

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enewtabie said:
It's an additional computer. I have like 3 Fractal Cases in the box in my Storage area.
This is for the bonus room of my house,not my office.
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Oh, when you added that side note "Currently running 6700K", it made your post seem like you were trying to replace your 6700K rig with a Ryzen CPU. If you're building a brand new Ryzen based machine that will primarily be used for gaming, the Ryzen 5 1600 is the absolute best bang for your buck CPU when it comes to single-threaded + multi-threaded performance. If you don't mind OC'ing, you could OC the 1600 to 4Ghz and have all of the effective speed of the 1600X for less money. If you absolutely need 8 physical cores, I wouldn't go higher than a Ryzen 7 1700.
 
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enewtabie

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Newboi said:
Oh, when added that side note "Currently running 6700K", it made your post seem like you were trying to replace your 6700K rig with a Ryzen CPU.
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Sorry, that's what I have in my office computer. I wanted something comparable( so I can still stream and play games on High/Ultra in Bonus room .
 
Bustanen

Bustanen

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Dipswitch said:
I'm planning for an Asus X370-Pro/Ryzen 7 1800X build and am looking for advise on the memory to get. In looking at the QVL for that board, it seems that Corsair Vengence memory at various speeds are supported. What's the fastest speed worth getting, considering the current limits with Ryzen and memory frequencies?

I don't intend to go nuts with overclocking beyond using the board features to do that. So I'm looking to give myself a bit of headroom in case they improve memory capacity without throwing money away on speeds that'll never be utilized.
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Samsung B-die sticks are recommended and work better than Hynix ones on Ryzen: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

Corsair Vengeance are B-die from 3400 MHz and up. G.skill from 3200 MHz CL14 and up. 3200 MHz speeds are pretty much guaranteed with those.

They are expensive though and I got 3000 MHz CL15 Ripjaws to go with my R5 1600. If I get them to run at 2933 MHz I'm satisfied.
 
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RumblingRosco

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I have an MSI B350M Gaming Pro. Low-end board; shoulda got a nicer one. Ryzen 1700 @ 3.7 GHz in a 1.275 V manual setting. RAM at 2933 MHz and 1.35 V.

Anyway, yesterday y'all got me interested in enabling AMD Cool N' Quiet to allow my CPU to down lock when idle. So I enabled it, and I cannot see any differences whatsoever in either clock speed or voltage at idle or at load. Monitored voltage with HWInfo and Ryzen Master and both are across the board identical with CnQ enabled or disabled.

Any advice? Should I see voltage being reduced somewhere, or does manual VCore at 1.275 V override any functionality of CnQ?
 
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Dipswitch

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Bustanen said:
Samsung B-die sticks are recommended and work better than Hynix ones on Ryzen: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

Corsair Vengeance are B-die from 3400 MHz and up. G.skill from 3200 MHz CL14 and up. 3200 MHz speeds are pretty much guaranteed with those.

They are expensive though and I got 3000 MHz CL15 Ripjaws to go with my R5 1600. If I get them to run at 2933 MHz I'm satisfied.
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Thx - that's very useful information. Thought I'd read that the Corsair Vengence 3200 sticks were Samsung B-Die as well, but apparently not.

Bit frustrating as I didn't see Corsair 3400 sticks on the QVL and having to pay for 3600 sticks just to get Samsung B-Die chips seems like a waste of money. Maybe I'll look into the GSkill 3200 chips......

Edit: Missed the Corsair 3466 sticks on the list. Will probably grab those.
 
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Frankfurter

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Soka said:
I have an MSI B350M Gaming Pro. Low-end board; shoulda got a nicer one. Ryzen 1700 @ 3.7 GHz in a 1.275 V manual setting. RAM at 2933 MHz and 1.35 V.

Anyway, yesterday y'all got me interested in enabling AMD Cool N' Quiet to allow my CPU to down lock when idle. So I enabled it, and I cannot see any differences whatsoever in either clock speed or voltage at idle or at load. Monitored voltage with HWInfo and Ryzen Master and both are across the board identical with CnQ enabled or disabled.

Any advice? Should I see voltage being reduced somewhere, or does manual VCore at 1.275 V override any functionality of CnQ?
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In manual setting, you won't see any voltage difference between idle and load (with or without CnQ enabled). It's manual after all.
In terms of clock speed, you should get all the different P(?)-states, though. My R5 1600 (on a MSI B350 PC Mate) goes down to ~800 Mhz on some cores occassionaly, while Core 0-2 go down to ~1400 Mhz (mostly ~1550 Mhz though).

Edit: What you'd need for the voltage to be different across load scenarios is an offset mode, but as far as I know MSI AM4 boards don't have this feature (yet?).
 
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ItalianJoe83

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Insomnium

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I'm planning to do a Ryzen build to last me until early 2019, after that it will be moved to the living room. Will a 1600 be suffice or I should spend a bit more and get the 1600x?
 
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Anon67

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Might be a pretty ignorant question but would a 1700X paired with 16GB 2666 RAM and a 1070? For 1440p gaming. Not planning to overclocking anything.
 
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RumblingRosco

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Frankfurter said:
In manual setting, you won't see any voltage difference between idle and load (with or without CnQ enabled). It's manual after all.
In terms of clock speed, you should get all the different P(?)-states, though. My R5 1600 (on a MSI B350 PC Mate) goes down to ~800 Mhz on some cores occassionaly, while Core 0-2 go down to ~1400 Mhz (mostly ~1550 Mhz though).

Edit: What you'd need for the voltage to be different across load scenarios is an offset mode, but as far as I know MSI AM4 boards don't have this feature (yet?).
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How do you monitor your CPU frequency to observe that it drops to 800 or 1400? Did you change any specific settings that you can think of which allow that to happen? I appreciate your help by the way!

DonMigs85 said:
I believe the 1600 can be overclocked to almost the same level
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This is my understanding as well. I don't see a reason to get a 1600X or 1700X over the 1600/1700.
 
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Kayant

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That's a very hungry boy when OC.

Anandtech's numbers seems more favourable though. If thier technique of getting results is indeed more accurate.
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In case you're wondering how they calculate their results -
Anandtech said:
For our power consumption readings, we run a Prime 95 load and slowly ramp up the number of threads in play, taking power data from the internal CPU registers that report for when turbo modes or thermal modes should activate. Depending on the CPU access, we can get data that varies from the full package down to individual cores, uncore, integrated graphics and DRAM controllers.

For the Ryzen CPUs, the API pulls out the total package power consumption first.
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vewn

vewn

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I'm really curious to see the i9 7960X performance now compared to Threadripper - it's not even remotely competitive at it's $1799 pricetag, AMD achieved a great piece of hardware here.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

Coulomb_Barrier

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Newboi said:
Wouldn't an overclocked 6700K be better in all gaming scenarios due to it having faster single-threaded performance and 8 effective threads? I'm not sure how switching to Ryzen and X370 will benefit you if you're rocking at 6700K or 7700K. My thoughts would be completely different if you were rocking an i5 or an older generation i7 such as the 4770K or older.
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6700K is on a dead platform though, Ryzen's AM4 will last 3-4 years and is upgradeable. Also 8 cores 16 threads v 4/8.
 
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Newboi

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Is Anandtech the only reviewer so far that has gone into detail of Game Mode vs Creator Mode profiles when doing benchmarks? I'm curious as to why Anandtech didn't overclock their TR processors though. Would the 8-core 1900X even need those two profiles? Seeing how well the 1950X performs in tasks overall just makes me more excited for the 1900X!


Edit: I am curious to see benchmarks with mixtures of profile settings. I would especially like to see benchmarks with SMT on and NUMA mode on for latency sensitive tasks? There's also benchmarks that need to be done with TR and high memory overclocks.
 
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JonnyDBrit

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Newboi said:
Is Anandtech the only reviewer so far that has gone into detail of Game Mode vs Creator Mode profiles when doing benchmarks? I'm curious as to why Anandtech didn't overclock their TR processors though. Would the 8-core 1900X even need those two profiles? Seeing how well the 1950X performs in tasks overall just makes me more excited for the 1900X!
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Hardware Unboxed included it as part of their review (if you're referring to the memory access thing):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9JR_v-4BaQ
Starting from around the 11 minute mark
 
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Kayant

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NeOak said:
So what would be a recommended Mobo and memory to get with a 1700?
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Memory => 3000Mhz, 3200Mhz being the sweet spot and something that uses Samsung B-Die memory if you can.

Motherboard am not so sure and depends on what form factor you're targeting.
 
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bomblord1

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Damaniel

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Threadripper is definitely an interesting beast. The use case for my home PC is marginal (I game on it a lot but I do also run VMs for personal hobby and development tasks so the extra cores would be nice) but I would sell my soul in a heartbeat to get a 1950X on my desk at work for development work. The reduction in compile times on the products I work on (which contain a number of very heavily multithreaded unit tests along with the standard compilation tasks) would be insane.
 
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SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
bomblord1 said:
MOBO B350 or better (better being x370)

And for RAM DDR4 3200 is the fastest it supports however it doesn't really make much of a difference in performance (small steps some in margin of error increments)
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http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-me...latform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259

If you got the money or see a deal go with 3200MHZ otherwise go with whatever you can afford.
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16% on Deus Ex is significant. If you can get 3600hz memory you can close the gap between Ryzen and the 7700k.
 
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Frankfurter

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Soka said:
How do you monitor your CPU frequency to observe that it drops to 800 or 1400? Did you change any specific settings that you can think of which allow that to happen? I appreciate your help by the way!



This is my understanding as well. I don't see a reason to get a 1600X or 1700X over the 1600/1700.
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I'm using HWmonitor, but I've also occassionaly looked into MSI's command center and it gives me the same values (I prefer HW monitor though, because of the current/max/min track that it keeps).

Now that you say it, I think I actually ran into this issue, too, at some point. Clock speeds were fixed for whatever reason. Fortunately the issue was just gone at some point. But I really can't remember doing anything special about it. The only thing I changed at some point was to not use XMP, but instead doing all the RAM settings (speed and timings) manually. Doesn't exactly sound like this would mess with CPU clock speeds, though.
Which mainboard do you use? And what's the BIOS version? I installed a beta version back in June, which should be the same as the current official version (7A34vA5 for the MSI B350 PC mate).

Edit: Just as an example I actived HW Monitor a minute or two ago and for most of the time all six cores are actually at ~1549 Mhz. There is a little load on the system (two browsers /w ~40 tabs, iTunes and a couple of other apps running in the background), so the lowest so far is 1399 Mhz on each core.
 
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Kayant

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Pretty nice and likely costs two legs and arms.
Taipei, Taiwan (10 Aug 2017) – G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd., the world’s leading manufacturer of extreme performance memory and gaming peripherals, announces all-new DDR4 specifications and expanding the Flare X series, designed for AMD processors and platforms. Compatible with the new Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processors and AMD X399 chipset motherboards, these new DDR4 specifications are designed to achieve high frequency at DDR4-3600MHz 32GB (8GBx4), as well as a massive total capacity at DDR4-2933MHz 128GB (16GBx8). Included in the mix of new quad-channel DDR4 memory kits are DDR4-3200MHz CL14 32GB (8GBx4) and DDR4-3466MHz CL16 32GB (8GBx4), all made with the famous Samsung B-die.

Ultra-High Frequency Flare X Series Memory Kits at DDR4-3600MHz 32GB (8GBx4)

With improved overclocking performance on the latest AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processors on the X399 chipset, G.SKILL is announcing the DDR4-3600MHz CL16-18-18-38 with 32GB (8GBx4) total capacity running in quad-channel mode, under the Flare X series. Tested for maximum stability, this kit’s frequency speed marks the fastest memory kit ever released thus far for an AMD platform.

Massive Kit Capacity, No Compromises: DDR4-2933MHz 128GB (16GBx8)

One of the advantages introduced by the AMD X399 platform is the increase to 8 memory slots on AMD platforms, allowing the support for massive 128GB capacity kits running in quad-channel mode. Tested using the highest standards for memory stability on AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ platforms, G.SKILL announces the Flare X series DDR4-2933MHz CL14-14-14-34 128GB (16GBx8) memory kit running at 1.35V, perfect for systems requiring high-capacity, high-bandwidth memory kits.
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kotodama

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Threadripper - Check
Motherboard - Check
CPU Cooler - Check
Ram - Check
Hard Drive - Check
Video Card - Check
PSU - Check
Monitor - Check
Mouse/Keyboard - Check
Case - Next Tuesday

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