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[entremet]

I'm always amazed when I see people just drop trash right on the street, often within feet of a trash can.

I was amazed at the difference in Tokyo, when I visited earlier this year. They actually don't have much public trash cans due to the sarin gas attack many years ago. People just keep their trash in their bags it seems and dispose at home.

The trash cans I saw were tiny ones in 7-11s and the like.

 

[Earthbound64]

NYC specialty - so much trash piling in the tracks that it lights on fire

But people were saying in another thread recently that New York garbage people deserve 6-figure salaries because their job is so hard.

If stuff like that is happening, they're not doing their job.

"throw garbage everywhere"?

these hyperboles are so insane i feel like i'm insane.

You're literally in a thread about a train track area catching fire because there was too much garbage on it.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Shutting it down over night doesn't allow them to install signals at the speed they need to. It always them to do patch work.

We're going to need to do full shutdowns on portions. Especially in Manhattan.

Honestly its probably needed like a full system shutdown for months to a year+ for probably the last 20+ years.

Anything decent sized takes takes so long by the time they finish the 2nd thing the 1st needs touching up or patching.

 

[Shanlei91]

"throw garbage everywhere"?

these hyperboles are so insane i feel like i'm insane.

People just drop wrappers and stuff on the street casually while walking, instead of making it to the corner and throwing it in a bin. It's not hyperbole, people are apathetic and nasty.

 

[GK86]

Those pictures are crazy. The MTA stay losing.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

But people were saying in another thread recently that New York garbage people deserve 6-figure salaries because their job is so hard.

If stuff like that is happening, they're not doing their job.




You're literally in a thread about a train track area catching fire because there was too much garbage on it.

they do and this has nothing to do with garbage workers. its about the MTA. and I'm sure you'll love jumping down on to tracks to pick up all the trash.

And yes, there is garbage but people don't through it "everywhere"

This is usually the worst I see it.

mostly bags and newspapers that get blown on to the tracks and bottles people likely kick on to the tracks. Its not as if there is a mass of people just throwing things all the time. Idk maybe that happens uptown but I've seen it like 5 times total in my years of living in the city.

People just drop wrappers and stuff on the street casually while walking, instead of making it to the corner and throwing it in a bin. It's not hyperbole, people are apathetic and nasty.

generally small wrappers and other tiny things. People are making it seem like there's masses of trash like there's a sanitation strike

 

[Jkmetal]

I'm surprised that they are not as many fires as there could be. Old trash is everywhere on the tracks in every station.

Nothing like the smell of a recent fire in the subway during the summer.

 

[wild wild rice]

Sometimes I miss NYC, but never this shit.

 

[BioHazard]

Shutting it down over night doesn't allow them to install signals at the speed they need to. It always them to do patch work.

We're going to need to do full shutdowns on portions. Especially in Manhattan.

I agree, it's going to require some shutdowns like the upcoming L-train one, where a line is closed entirely 24/7 for 12-24+ months. Or, they could do what they've done for the 7 and do weekend shutdowns for what? 20 years and counting? And that's for a relatively short line! Still not done yet, lol

 

[StoOgE]

they do and this has nothing to do with garbage workers. its about the MTA. and I'm sure you'll love jumping down on to tracks to pick up all the trash.

And yes, there is garbage but people don't through it "everywhere"

This is usually the worst I see it.

mostly bags and newspapers that get blown on to the tracks and bottles people likely kick on to the tracks. Its not as if there is a mass of people just throwing things all the time. Idk maybe that happens uptown but I've seen it like 5 times total in my years of living in the city.



generally small wrappers and other tiny things. People are making it seem like there's masses of trash like there's a sanitation strike

I will say that Asian subway systems manage to not be this gross. I love the city, but the NYC subway is a level of gross beyond any other in the US let alone worldwide.

 

[GK86]

they do and this has nothing to do with garbage workers. its about the MTA. and I'm sure you'll love jumping down on to tracks to pick up all the trash.

And yes, there is garbage but people don't through it "everywhere"

This is usually the worst I see it.

mostly bags and newspapers that get blown on to the tracks and bottles people likely kick on to the tracks. Its not as if there is a mass of people just throwing things all the time. Idk maybe that happens uptown but I've seen it like 5 times total in my years of living in the city.

They need more of those trains that vacuum up the garbage.

 

[Penguin]

I will say that Asian subway systems manage to not be this gross. I love the city, but the NYC subway is a level of gross beyond any other in the US let alone worldwide.

Yeah love the city, but whenever I go on vacation I realize just how dirty and smelly this city is

 

[Glix]

But people were saying in another thread recently that New York garbage people deserve 6-figure salaries because their job is so hard.

If stuff like that is happening, they're not doing their job.




You're literally in a thread about a train track area catching fire because there was too much garbage on it.

Dude. MTA workers clear the tracks not sanitation workers. You sound like a dick and frankly, you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[GK86]

Desus Nice‏ @desusnice

"Well the fare still gonna go up. fix ya faces - @MTA"

Yeah love the city, but whenever I go on vacation I realize just how dirty and smelly this city is

MTA in a nutshell:

 

[GraveRobberX]

I don’t believe the blame is, at least entirely, on the MTA. People throwing trash in stations, ending up on the rails, causing a fire having a similar response to trains derailing? Eeh.

Still sucks for all affected.

Trust me there's some MTA fault

Those fuckers leave trash bins full for so long that there overflowing, then it's just a snowball effect of trash flying onto the tracks
Garbage pick up on certain stops is pristine *cough*heavy tourist areas*cough, the further you go from manhattan outwards it becomes filthier and filithier.

Thank fuck #7 is 3/4ths above ground, trash just blows down to the streets or falls between crevices

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I agree, it's going to require some shutdowns like the upcoming L-train one, where a line is closed entirely 24/7 for 12-24+ months. Or, they could do what they've done for the 7 and do weekend shutdowns for what? 20 years and counting? And that's for a relatively short line! Still not done yet, lol

I wonder how much a night shutdown + weekend shutdown would work. Especially in manhattan it should be doable (especially when it seems that's where most of the signal issues are, not in the outer boroughs) because there's alternate lines and decent duplicative bus service

 

[metsallica]

SUCH A FUN COMMUTE THIS MORNING

 

[GraveRobberX]

Also hands down the WORST FUCKING SUBWAY STATION run by the MTA is the Canal Street stop for the R/N line

You literally get a heat stroke baking in that oven of a tunnel they call a stop

Like no ventilation at all, when the turns come blasting they bring all the rancid smell gushing through with hot air as the back kicker to really lay it on you

If you try to escape topside, welcome to fish market smell hell with a summer waft at the end

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I will say that Asian subway systems manage to not be this gross. I love the city, but the NYC subway is a level of gross beyond any other in the US let alone worldwide.

This seems largely do to design and modernness. The subways built in the 1960-s moving forward tend to be much larger and designed with issues like this in mind. NYC's stations are very open and generate winds that cross multiple platforms and blow trash all around.

Trust me there's some MTA fault

Those fuckers leave trash bins full for so long that there overflowing, then it's just a snowball effect of trash flying onto the tracks
Garbage pick up on certain stops is pristine *cough*heavy tourist areas*cough, the further you go from manhattan outwards it becomes filthier and filithier.

Thank fuck #7 is 3/4ths above ground, trash just blows down to the streets or falls between crevices

This I think is the largest issue rather than people throwing trash on the tracks. the trains can make a mini windtunnel that blows it around and people don't really want to pick up others trash.

 

[Pandora012]

Trust me there's some MTA fault

Those fuckers leave trash bins full for so long that there overflowing, then it's just a snowball effect of trash flying onto the tracks
Garbage pick up on certain stops is pristine *cough*heavy tourist areas*cough, the further you go from manhattan outwards it becomes filthier and filithier.

Thank fuck #7 is 3/4ths above ground, trash just blows down to the streets or falls between crevices

They even had the bright idea of removing trash cans. Saying it resulted in less trash, because people just kept it with them them..... The trash was just on the tracks now. How this even got a pilot program is astonishing.

I will say that Asian subway systems manage to not be this gross. I love the city, but the NYC subway is a level of gross beyond any other in the US let alone worldwide.

How old are their systems? I'd like to think if the nyc system were newer, it would of help stop the current decay. Then again, Albany would still find a way to screw with the system.

 

[CrocoDuck]

Glad I'm not taking summer courses this would have fucked everything up for sure.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

They need more of those trains that vacuum up the garbage.

Its insane they don't have more. Like they do that two week burst? Like what, 2 times a year?


Found this from an old article

Over a year ago, an audit by Stringer found that just 3 percent of the tracks were cleaned according to the MTA’s own standards.

But this would require investment and long term planning which the MTA is shit for

 

[NYCmetsfan]

They even had the bright idea of removing trash cans. Saying it resulted in less trash, because people just kept it with them them..... The trash was just on the tracks now. How this even got a pilot program is astonishing.


How old are their systems? I'd like to think if the nyc system were newer, it would of help stopped the current decay. Then again, Albany would still find a way to screw with the system.

Most are less than 30 years I think.

The 2nd Ave and Hudson Yard Stations are much nicer and resemble more of European and cleaner subways.

 

[andythinkpad]

I legit can bike from Flushing to midtown 14 street in 75 minutes, that ties with the fastest time I can with subway+bus.

 

[GraveRobberX]

But this would require investment and long term planning which the MTA is shit for

They'll raise fare prices, invest it poorly, vicious cycle renews

I remember they spent an absurd amount during Patakis time as Governor on Metrocard advertising
Like Holy Shit why on earth are you spending millions telling people hey our buses and trains use these fine looking plastic cards on TV in areas that have no subway service to begin with

Fix the most important things like you know the tracks and stations and stop worrying about how we as the MTA could look better with the spotlight by wasting dollars on campaigns that go nowhere

I legit can bike from Flushing to midtown 14 street in 75 minutes, that ties with the fastest time I can with subway+bus.

Your calves must be Godlike, Goddamn!

I fucking trooped it from LaGuardia Community College to my house (think Flushing Meadows Park) Once!... Once! Just to spite MTA horrendous timings on the #7 way back in 2003

I think I got home faster walking than waiting for all delays and then wait for empty trains to pass by to do test runs so the line could run

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Look at the pics from the 168th 1 trains. People saying they shut down the elevator.

I will NEVER understand how the 1 train at 168 and 181st street are ONLY accessible by elevator. Is that not a massive health/fire concern? Couldn't people easily be trapped and die down there?

Looking for a roomie?

Some pics from Twitter

Holy fuck, I'm not even normally claustrophobic, but these pictures are giving me massive anxiety with the knowledge that the elevator is the ONLY way out of that furnace.

 

[BioHazard]

I will NEVER understand how the 1 train at 168 and 181st street are ONLY accessible by elevator. Is that not a massive health/fire concern? Couldn't people easily be trapped and die down there?

Holy fuck, I'm not even normally claustrophobic, but these pictures are giving me massive anxiety with the knowledge that the elevator is the ONLY way out of that furnace.

I believe there ARE stairs somewhere, but they are behind locked doors. And would have to be unlocked in case of emergency. I know, it's absolutely absurd.

 

[Host Samurai]

B and C line continue to live up to their names. Fuck those lines, id rather walk

 

[ShadowElliot]

Another day, another excuse for the MTA to say to avoid taking responsibility.

Summer of Hell alright, that picture with the crowded station looks like it.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Holy fuck. My heart goes out to everyone in the city. That shit used to make me cross eyed with rage. The amount of wealth in the city and the revenue it generates matched against its garbage infrastructure is fucking infuriating.

My last year or so there, I citibiked as often as possible, much better than dealing with the MTA.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

So does everyone get a leave from work or what?

 

[Marvie_3]

MTA is such a fucking mess.

 

[Uno Venova]

It feels like the Q and the 4 trains are the only lines I never hear anything about.

 

[MastAndo]

I live in NYC, and am EXTREMELY grateful for my work hours where I miss rush hour on my subway commute both ways. Things sound pretty horrendous at the moment.

The most I have to complain about is that the subway line nearest my home has been temporarily replaced by a shuttle bus during renovation. It's different, but the transition hasn't been too bad.

 

[GK86]

So does everyone get a leave from work or what?

I think at this point managers/bosses understand how shit the system is so you can use it as an exuse.

 

[wild wild rice]

So does everyone get a leave from work or what?

" working in the field today, boss"

 

[Bloodporne]

Waiting 55 minutes on Saturday afternoon for a fucking F or E back home to Queens because the R is shut down the entire weekend yet again was really cool as well.

I'm so filled with hate and rage against the MTA at this point, I don't remotely care what the reasons, excuses and whatever are.

EDIT: More on topic, I really feel for everyone having to deal with this bullshit for work. My wife has to and despite working off-peak-commuting hours, it's a complete disaster for her almost every day by now as well. I reverse-commute out to Long Island by car gladly.

 

[Pandora012]

I think at this point managers/bosses understand how shit the system is so you can use it as an exuse.

Yup, my mangers says I can still charge hours if i'm late due to train issues. Though sometimes I just stay later so I can catch up.

 

[TacosNSalsa]

So does everyone get a leave from work or what?

Most places will understand if you're late , even very late , due to something like this . Taking a full day off however might not go over so smoothly .

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Why not do what Europe does? Shut the trains down at night for maintenance.

Because shutting down specific lines during the weekend and inconveniencing everyone instead of the creepos who ride the subway late at night is clearly a better solution.

In the year I've lived in NYC, I've never taken a subway past 11pm at night—BUT I really enjoy/appreciate the "safety net" of knowing I won't get stuck somewhere with no way to get home.

Vox did a really good piece on NYC Subway delays which is worth a read: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15949284/new-york-subway-crisis

 

[Deleted member 20415]

Whenever I see someone drop trash (NYC and Jersey City), and I'm walking behind them, I'll pick it up if I can (coffee cup, wrapper) and say "Oops, you forgot this."

It usually provokes a response of either embarrassment or aggression - more embarrassment than anything, and you can make someone feel like a total dick very easily.

My 2 favorite times:

Guy in a suit just drops a Dunkin Donuts cup, I say "oops, you forgot this" and he replied stunned that there weren't trash cans around. So I said "You don't have one at your office? You should complain, that's nearly as big a violation as littering." Then I walked off, and he yelled at me, but knew he was a total dick

Other time, guy walking with his girl drops his empty cigarette pack, I hand it back to him and say he dropped it. His girl looks at him and says "You litter?!" and then I walked off as she berated him.

 

[Ashby]

I hate how people just throw garbage everywhere in NYC. It's disgusting.

It fucking reeks too. No other US city I've been to just piles their trash up on the sidewalk.

 

[Future Foundation]

That would be the best bit of advice I could give folks moving here.

And don't make your train options like the same route just a diff number.

But what if you're like me, and both of your train options (4, B/D) are kinda sketchy (especially 4)?!

 

[Bloodporne]

Whenever I see someone drop trash (NYC and Jersey City), and I'm walking behind them, I'll pick it up if I can (coffee cup, wrapper) and say "Oops, you forgot this."

It usually provokes a response of either embarrassment or aggression - more embarrassment than anything, and you can make someone feel like a total dick very easily.

My 2 favorite times:

Guy in a suit just drops a Dunkin Donuts cup, I say "oops, you forgot this" and he replied stunned that there weren't trash cans around. So I said "You don't have one at your office? You should complain, that's nearly as big a violation as littering." Then I walked off, and he yelled at me, but knew he was a total dick

Other time, guy walking with his girl drops his empty cigarette pack, I hand it back to him and say he dropped it. His girl looks at him and says "You litter?!" and then I walked off as she berated him.

Agree with the gesture and gist of it, but how long do you think it's gonna take for your luck to run out and for some wacko who's waiting for an excuse to fuck someone up to stomp you out?

 

[andythinkpad]

But what if you're like me, and both of your train options (4, B/D) are kinda sketchy (especially 4)?!

What is you commute route? You probably can do it on a folding bike.

 

[Jkmetal]

So does everyone get a leave from work or what?

No. You get lucky not to get shitcanned. There was some understanding but very limited.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

So does everyone get a leave from work or what?

If your salary/union you probably get understanding

If your a wage worker, better have a nice boss, also your not getting missed wages back!

 

[entremet]

"throw garbage everywhere"?

these hyperboles are so insane i feel like i'm insane.

Defensive much. I live here and still love despite this.

I’m talking about personal garbage, wrappers, cups, food packaging, not bags of the stuff. And yes it does happen. Better neighborhoods have alliances to it clean it up, but my fellow New Yorkers can be disgusting.

 

[Big Blue]

I had my review today, so I left crazy early. I fucking hate the A-C-E line.

Nothing is more unreliable

And like fucking clockwork

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE91Y3DXkAAg3Al.jpg:large

 

[jordan0386]

MTA workers clean tracks overnight, every night.

Not enough payroll in the world to clean every single station though. Be fair.